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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Posted From: 217.43.32.125
| | Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 12:58 pm: �� |     ���  |
Okeh
heres a follow on to the other thread recently posted.
All these are 45's that I either own,have owned,are on tape or whatever.
But all are Detroit,philly and chicago sounds(until Robb and others say there not)
Various 45's from down the years
on mel's trip down the all-nighter memory lane......
Chicago 45's......
Dell's-hey sugar(dont get serious)-VJ(pre chess days and a forgotten dancer)
Ernie Lucas-what would I do-Okeh(good oldie like a lot on okeh)
Jimmy Burns-powerful love-Tip Top(once obscure chicago dancer)
Creations-plenty of love-Globe(brilliant)
Lee Sain-I cant fight it-Broach(ace chicago 45)
Gloria and the Tiaras-Running out of time-Betty(still obscure)
Lee Eldred-Recouperating-Chess
Ricky Allen-Its a mess I tell you also Nothing in this world can hurt me-both on Brighstar records.66'ish.
Carl Davis and the Chi-sound orchestra-Windy city theme-Chi-Sound.
Sandra Stephens-If you really love me/never no more-Ja Wes records(still rare chicago 45.
L Ruffin-This stuff just kills me-Good chicago stomper on the Cross Record logo.
Philly 45's......
The Passionettes-I'm not in love with you anymore-Soul Burst records(good dancer)
Superbs-Only for lovers-Alteen(oldie from a group with a lot of good 45's out)
Soul Exotics-Baby it's true-Terri(good mid 60's male group philly mover)
Sherri Gibbs and the Quovans-Oh my baby-Philly Sounds(good 45)
Robb Fortune-Crazy Feelin'-On phillys Now records and the first Label of Paramount records(remember this going for mega bucks years ago)
Marva Lee-Old and grey-Rugby Records(rare philly)
Betty Renee and the Thrillettes-Your kinda love-Lawn.
Barbara Mason-Dont you ever want to lose your love,also another good dancer by Barbara is,Bobby is my baby both on the Arctic Label.
Kenny Gamble-as well as his superb Arctic dancers plus his involvement in others,theres his forgotten Columbia ace 45 titled our love plus his Atco 45 number 6470.
Detroit 45's......
Tony Clarke-Cry-Fascination Records.
Davis and Joe-Double bad-Theoda
The Wonderettes-Work out fine-Enterprise.
The Sharp-ettes-Keep Looking-Perma Hit.
Tridettes-So strange-Master Records.
Betty Davis-Sing out loud-C&T Records.
Albert Williams-I'm in your corner-recorded on Johnnie Mae Matthew's Jam Record Label.
The Moments-Happiest girl in the world-Hit Productions.
Chris Campbell-You gotta pay your dues-USA Records.
Calvin Williams-Lonely you'll be-as well as on the Northern Del-La Soul logo it was also on Atco records number 6399.
Johnny Daye-Good time-Jomada Records.
The Manhattans-Just a little Lovin'-Golden World Test Pressing.
Thats it for now
as before the labels mentioned are all related to the stated city be it by writers,producers,recording studios,whatever.......
So if there are mistakes please just tell me and dont go banana-a-roo-neee.......
Loads more from the boxes and various forms of mine later.
Thanks for any constructive criticism and info.
Regards
Detroit-philly-mel-o-delphia
(andthensome)
ps
Heres a mouth watering 45 to wet your appetites
until later.......
Betty Wilson
and The Four Bars
I'm Yours on Dayco records
produced by Eddie Daye
and arranged by Donnie Hathaway.
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Robb_K (robb_k)
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Posted From: 66.81.192.28
| | Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 2:14 pm: �� | ��� |
Nice list, Mel. I have a comment on the Sandra Stephens record you listed on WES. I have the record on Daran, which was James Shelton's label. The writers are Marshall Thompson & Logan, staff writers (and Thompson was the arranger at that label). WES was owned by Bill (Bunky) Sheppard. I never saw it, or ANY Shelton production on any Bill Sheppard label. I suppose he might have leased the rights to it, but that would shock me, as he generally tried to get his OWN productions (from his own labels) picked up by major labels. Do you have the record on WES (or have you seen it)?
The Chris Campbell on USA Records: Do you KNOW that to be a Detroit production? I remember Chris Campbell having some records produced in Detroit. But USA was a Chicago label, which didn't pick up much (if any?)Detroit product. For example, the Mike Hanks involvement in Geraldine Hunt's USA record was him being brought to Chicago by Bob Catron (as he did for the Bombay and Katron Records)-rather than a Hanks Detroit production being released on Chicago's USA. Maybe Campbell came to Chicago for that production?
The Superbs on Alteen was a Chicago record, as far as I know. Alteen was located at 82nd and Stoney Island, on the South Side of Chicago. Bill Meeks produced the record. He was one of the owners, and main producer. He also produced Drake and The En-Solids -DEFINATELY a Chicago group. And, The Superbs record was published by Nor-Bil music (as were all the Al-Teen songs)-Bill Meeks' publisher. So, I doubt that The Superbs record was a philly production, leased by Al-Teen. Although I had already moved from Chicago when their record was out and they were appearing locally, I did return for visits each summer, and I seem to remember The Superbs as a local Chicago group. Maybe DVD Mike or Don can help us here.
I don't believe the Ernie Lucas record was a Chicago production. Didn't Okeh still have production in NY (Billy Sherrill and others), and were also picking up productions from Detroit and LA, and other places, too? |
Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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Posted From: 199.183.105.37
| | Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 3:31 pm: �� | ��� |
The Creations had another great side on Globe, "I've Got to Find Her". Of course, if you flip over "Plenty of Love", you'll see the classic "Oh Baby" on the other side.
Believe it or not, Ernie Lucas just issued a new CD and has a website as well! I found out about this on the CD Baby site.
Best,
Mark |
Don (don)
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Posted From: 68.77.36.51
| | Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 6:38 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi Mel
I know the group Gloria and Tiaras. They we're discovered by Vow/Majors/Major IV group member Larry Montgomery. The Tiaras we're in the same stable as we're Joyce Kennedy and Kittens too for 4-5 yrs. That record that you have on them, is it the record or track you have i think is the flip side of "I'm Satisfied" which was produced by blues/r&b singer Syl Johnson on his label Betty I assume? If I'm going in the right directon then their "I'm Satisfied"/"Running out of time" must be the same Betty two sider 45. I know they made just these sides and returned to Buffalo. If you have "Running".... I know that Goldmine has a Northern Soul Of Chicago compliation -vol.2 trk #19 of "I'm Satisfied" by Gloria & The Tiaras.
Don |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Posted From: 81.153.210.167
| | Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 9:56 am: �� | ��� |
Hey Don
yes its the Betty release number 1204
with the top side credited as
'I'm Satisfied'
and as you rightly said
with the flip side being 'running out of time'
I think that I have another Gloria and the Tiaras on another Label.
not certain but am 90% sure.
its on an old tape.
if find it will let you know.
cheers
mel |
Robb_K (robb_k)
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Posted From: 204.108.65.10
| | Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 4:23 pm: �� | ��� |
Mark, the Creations had yet ANOTHER great single on Globe: 'Just Remember Me'. |
Don (don)
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Posted From: 68.75.184.13
| | Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 7:22 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi Mel,
It's good hearing from you and I hope you feel better. Mel, we all didn't know Gloria & Tiaras did another side. I'm kinda guessing. I forgotten what indie label name that Syl Johnson called his label? So, they did recorded two more sides after all. I'm really asking you and anyone, was it Betty or was it another name of his, distributed by Twilight/Twinight Records.
Something you might like to know?
Story has it The Tiaras are sisters and we're a trio from Buffalo. One of the original member, a sister got out of the group and got married and raised a family, having Gloria to replace the T's sis.
I think Mel these are the last 2-4 sides by The Tiaras, due to the fact that there we're a group of guys from Florida calling themselfs The Tiaras, and had the name copyrighted. So the girls couldn't use the name anymore.
I had to laugh to myself, cause those guys really didn't know what Tiara mean?!
Last I heard Gloria lives here in the city someplace. |
Robb_K (robb_k)
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Posted From: 66.81.31.226
| | Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 8:08 pm: �� | ��� |
I think I have Gloria and The Tiaras on another small Chicago label, too. I can't remember which, however. I've no time to search for it now. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Posted From: 81.154.129.167
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 12:21 am: �� | ��� |
Cheers Don
appreciated
mel |
Don (don)
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Posted From: 68.75.181.48
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 8:49 am: �� | ��� |
Thanks Melandthensome. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Posted From: 217.43.32.126
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 1:55 pm: �� | ��� |
Okeh
heres a few more.......
Chicago 45's......
a few Brunswick records that were once big over here.......
Windjammer strings-windjammers(inst)
Alvin Valentine-sweet sweet revenge.
Ronnie Mitchell-darling you dont love me no more.
Bobby Reed-you are.
Jackie Ross-keep your chin up.
The Symphonics-silent kind of guy
The Demures-Raining teardrops
Chuck Carter-I cant help myself.
September-caution
Lee Charles-wrong number.
if KEV-GO is there
any info today kev regards any of the above mentioned artists?
Any info regards these albums please...
Solid Smoke Records
The Esquires and The Marvelows
'chi-town showdown'
Deon Jackson-his greatest recordings.
Detroit 45's......
Cletus Marland-every now and then-Geneva
Eddie Floyd-drive on-Atlantic(detroit lupine recording)
Is Spider Turner on Goodtime records and Whitfield records
Detroits Spyder Turner?
Battle Records
Bobby Adams did a superb 60's stomper titled
'16 years in the making'on this label
plus
Roosevelt Grier and Roscoe Shelton recorded on Battle.
Is this the detroit label?
Philly 45's......
Lee Andrews cant do without you-Lost Nite
an incredible stomper totally forgotten these days from one of the master-vocalists around.
Masqueraders-desire-Bank records.
Jimmy Barden&Donna Byrd-til I meet you/its never easy-KR Records.
around 1966ish another goodie.
more later........
mel |
Don (don)
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Posted From: 68.75.63.246
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 2:22 pm: �� | ��� |
Mel,
A friend reminded me a while back ago that the Demures we're an Bob Lee group and an indie record owner from Chicago. From talking with people, everyone thought he was nuts to get involved with Brunswick. Although "Rainning Teardrops" by the Demures did get released. The
song was originally written by the girls collectively. I might still have a group pic around? |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Posted From: 217.43.32.126
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 2:42 pm: �� | ��� |
Great stuff Don
would be great if you could share the pic.
thanks for the info.
always liked the record.
mel |
Robb_K (robb_k)
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Posted From: 204.108.65.10
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 3:47 pm: �� | ��� |
Battle Records was a subsidiary of Riverside Records in NY.
I think Solid Smoke was an oldies label owned by Rhino Records.
Brunswick didn't just operate in Chicago. It's NY office cranked out some production, aas well as licensed/leased productions from small labels around the USA. Bobby Reed, Chuck Carter and Ronny Mitchell were East Coast. I believe (but not sure) that Alvin Valentine and Symphonics were also East Coast. I never heard of the September record. Was it done by a female single artist. If so, she may be September Jones, who recorded for Jack Ashford on Kapp. If so, she's also not a Chicago artist, and I'm guessing that the production was not done in Chicago. "Wrong Number" by Lee Charles was one of the Carl Davis productions on the Uni/Revue labels group, rather than on Brunswick or Dakar. It was released on Revue in USA.
Spider Turner must be the same guy. It would be too much of a coincidence if ANOTHER DIFFERENT bloke with the same name (all but one letter) hooked up with longtime Detroit producer Norman Whitfield. They must have known each other from the early days-and that's why they got together on Norman's label (once he went off on his own). It could easily have been a mistake by the people preparing the labels. Our Airwave label had a couple of misprints done by the printers. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Posted From: 217.43.32.124
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 12:07 am: �� | ��� |
Nice one Robb
thanks for the info
mel |
Flynny (anoraks_corner)
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Posted From: 81.131.209.104
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 6:09 am: �� | ��� |
A few comments to throw into teh arena:
Sandra Stevens is indeed (rarer) on Ja-Wes...I have a copy, but it doesn't scan too well being silver print on a burgundy label, but basically looks the same as the Daran copies. (There's also a corking double-sider by Sollie McElroy on JaWes too!)
Chris Campbell is a Chicago recording...shares the same backing track as 'Talking 'bout Jones by Bobby Jones on Expo (also outta Chicago).
Johnny Daye on Jomada is outta NYC isn't it, although there's also a J.Daye on Blue Star outta LA.
There's a label scan of the Manhattens Golden World test pressing on my site...it's actually a styrene copy (with ZTSC stamp), but with a hand-stamped/typed label.
Second bunch:
Bobby Reed was initially on Clay Records (Washington?).
Symphonics was on Wilson Records initially (NYC?).
The 45 by September on Brunswick doesn't sound vocally like our heroine on Kapp imo.
The Cletus Marland 45 is also on Terry Records...and by the way 'his' other Geneva 45, 'You're gonna miss me' isn't actually by him at all!
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Robb_K (robb_k)
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Posted From: 66.81.192.190
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 9:57 am: �� | ��� |
Ja-Wes was another James Shelton label. it had nothing to do with Bill Sheppard's WES label.
Flynny, you are correct that Jomada was a NY label. Jomada was owned by Johnny Nash, and was likely a subsidiary of JAD. The record had a Detroit connection, as James Bryant and Willie Kendricks were the writers. It was another Detroit project that was brought to Johnny Terry in NY to "produce". He had connections with NY labels. And was used as a conduit to get Detroit product onto nationally-distributed labels (Jack Montgomery, etc.). This one was likely recorded in NY, however, as Johnny Terry is listed as the orch. conductor. |
acooolcat (acooolcat)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 11:32 am: �� | ��� |
Mel
The correct title of The Moments' 45 on the Hit label (also on Hit Productions label, which was dist' by Atlantic) is "Happiest Man In The Land."
This was a Detroit group. |
Flynny (anoraks_corner)
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Posted From: 213.122.32.88
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 11:57 am: �� | ��� |
Robb...you mention James Bryant...is this the same guy who recorded, 'Hey there you girl' for Renee outta Chicago? |
Don (don)
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Posted From: 68.75.185.70
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 12:53 pm: �� | ��� |
Mel,
Vows(a.k.a.)Majors, Kittens, Joyce Kennedy, Joesphine Taylor, Silk, Tiaras, Five Wages, and Demures we're in Ruth L. Moore and Al Williams's stable of talent also with Bob Lee's Partner9. I can even go back alittle farther including The Chaunters (a/k/a) The Chi Lites, Billy Butler and the Enchanters. Sollie (Flamingos, Moroccos, El Dorodos, etc) was around with the Chaunters and Geraldine Jones, Notations, Geraldine Hunt and Moments Of Truth's, Charles Ferren etc we're in the same enviroment. Check out Robert Pruter's Chicago Soul and look under Ruth Moore and Bob Lee.
P.S.
Mel, sorry I disrupted your thread. I didn't get a chance to get back with you in time on the old SD Forum, because I was busy. Since you wanted some info on these chicago artists, to the best of my ability.
Also, I can't really get to far as to info on some labels, instead of posting I enjoying reading this threads, can't wait to read any new info. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Posted From: 217.43.74.72
| | Posted on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 11:28 am: �� | ��� |
No problemo Don
appreciate you joining in with some great info.
thanks to Robb/graham/flynny.
a few more........
Chicago 45's.......
Lee shot williams-love now pay later-Gamma records
nice 60's chicago dancer with same backing as Tim's Celtex release.
Larry Houston-I know we can make it-Chicago's Ambassador label.
Dorothy Berry-dont give me love-Big Three
yet another once obscure chicago 45.
Tyrone'wonder'boy-as well as his superb 'please consider me'also on Mamie Galores Sack label,and 'suffer/try me' on the chicago Four Brothers label check these out also on 4 brothers and another good forgotten double sider titled'good company/dont need me'
both chicago 60's soul at there best.
Philly 45's.......
anyone remember this one time mega-rare philly 45 from years ago,
Baby Jean Lucas
'like the weather'
on phillys Bantoo record label.
Detroit 45's......
Charmaines-keep on searching-Minit records
Forgotten detroit connected sound.
Jean Shannon and Terri-ri-he and she(voc&inst)-Flaming Arrow records
once a covered up sound at the all-nighters,many years ago now.Detroit sound inst.
more later
mel
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Robb_K (robb_k)
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Posted From: 204.108.65.10
| | Posted on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 1:35 pm: �� | ��� |
Mel, The Chicago artist on Big 3 was Dorothy BEERY, not to be confused with Dorothy Berry, who had releases on L.A. 's, Challenge label, and also sung on some girl's group style records. |
Don (don)
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Posted From: 68.75.60.64
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 11:57 am: �� | ��� |
Mel, I think Lee Shot Williams cut I think was an Jo Armstead label, I assume?
Mel
Robb
James Bryant did once sanged with The Vows outta Chicago in the very earlier yrs. Yup, he was around too. Don't think he was an actual member, think he'd replace Berl at times?
I do somewhat remember Larry having a couple of copies of Dorothy's "Don't Give Me Love" on Big 3. Her background is in Gospel & Blues originally. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Posted From: 81.154.129.178
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 6:50 pm: �� | ��� |
Heres a few more.....
Chicago 45's...
the trends-check my tears-quality chicago on ABC
a good double header produced by J.Pate.(say no more)
Roe-o-tation-special category on semi-known chicago label Gerim records.
The Four Tees-like my baby-good uptempo 45 on VJ.
Mary Wells-such a sweet thing-good mid-tempo chicago sound on Atco.
Johnny Moore-what more can I do-Larry-o records.
great record.
Bobby McClure-got me baby-Checker(storming dancer....)
Little Milton-sometimes-(red?)Checker (another class 45)
Inspirations-your wish is my command-Midas(great 45)
Johnny McCall-you cant get away-Satellite records.
magic record.
Holly Maxwell-dont say you love me until you do-Star
also by holly on Constellation records 'only when your lonely'
Mamie Galores superb 'no right to cry' on her own label, sack records.(a pearler)
Detroit 45's.....
Dramatics-your love was strange-Volt records(nice mid-tempo)
Jack Montgomery-dear beloved/do you believe it-Scepter records(a classic all time great double header)
Kris Peterson-I'll get even with you-Hi Lite
good moover........from around 64/65ish???
Dells-lets make it last-Cadet(a groovesville production)
The Channels-yo yo-Master records.
Philly 45's......
Lee Garrett-I'm so glad-Harthon(around 1966ish,good record)
Brenda and Tabulations-baby your so right for me-Dionn(forgotten superb uptempo mover)
Irma and Fascinators-Lost love-Scepter(Weldons group,a dyno-dynamic production)
The Volcanos-Take me back again-on the superb Harthon label(with yet another great philly sound)
more later
mel
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Heikki (heikki)
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Posted From: 81.17.199.27
| | Posted on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 12:04 am: �� | ��� |
Hi!
In Lee's own words: "Palos was just a small Chicago label. I hooked up with Jo from a guy named Mel Collins, who started managing her." (who also became her husband for a couple of years).
Best regards
Heikki |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Posted From: 217.43.74.77
| | Posted on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 5:58 am: �� | ��� |
Cheers Heikki
always good to hear from you mate
cheers
mel |
Heikki (heikki)
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Posted From: 81.17.193.223
| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 5:33 am: �� | ��� |
Hi Mel!
and them some...
It's good to be here, like in a family.
After just doing an interview I'll soon start a new thread here to get more details (with acknowlegements, of course), and I guess you can contribute.
Best regards
Heikki |