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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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Post Number: 7
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Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 9:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's always interesting when a group or artist remakes their own hit single(s), but the results aren't always good.

For example, the always-classy Dells did right when they remade their earlier hits "Stay in My Corner" and "Oh What a Night" and were rewarded when the songs hit big again. In contrast, the Younghearts rerecorded "Countdown, Here I Come" for Minit, which they had originally recorded as the Tempos on Canterbury, but the newer version is a funky mess of a tune.

And how about the Chi-Lites redoing of "Have You Seen Her" or the Esquires with "Get on Up '76"? Let's not forget when the latter-day Platters on Musicor cut a whole LP of tunes from the original group. What do you think of these? Any other examples of this phenomenon?

Best,

Mark
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Post Number: 19
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I think that the Chi-Lites should have left Have You Seen Her alone. It simply wasn't possible to improve on it. I never heard either version of the Younghearts song. As they were one of my favorite groups, I would love to hear them. I feel that The Platters should have also left well enough alone. I did like The Moonglows remake of Sincerely. They spiced it up a quite a bit.

Juice
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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I should add that the Younghearts also remade their Canterbury classic "A Little Togetherness" for Minit as well, but I've never heard the Minit version. I was told that it wasn't as good.

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Mark
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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I don't really care for Linda Jones' 1972 remake of her 1965 classic 'Fugitive From Love'. The tempo on the remake is slowed down tremendously and that intensity in Linda's vocal is missing. :-(

On the bright side, Parliament did an excellent remake of one of their first hits from 1967 'All Your Goodies Are Gone (The Loser's Seat)' on their 1974 album "Up For The Down Stroke". There's also a 15 minute, live version from 1971.
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zebop (zebop)
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I agree about that "Have You Seen Her" remake. They should have left "Oh Girl" alone too. I did like that early '80s version of the Dells "Oh What A Night"--couldn't compete with the original though.

Al Green pretty much mucked up his original cover of "Funny How Times Slips Away" with that duet version with Lyle Lovett.

Wasn't too impressed with the Temptations 2001 remake of "I Want A Love I Can See" either. Why even touch that one.

(Message edited by zebop on April 11, 2004)
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Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Post Number: 37
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Posted on Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 11:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Re: The Platters, I think the original tunes done by Tony Williams were the best, that man had some serious range. Though Sonny Turner did a good job, I like Sonny singing in his own style on songs like "I Love You 1000 Times" and "Devri".
S.S.
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alphanguy (alphanguy)
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Post Number: 6
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 12:11 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lord, you want bad... listen the FLOS version of "Nathan Jones" complete with electronic drums and karaoke instrumentation, it's enough to make you toss your cookies... if I were Frank Wilson, I'd had their heads on a platter.

(Message edited by alphanguy on April 12, 2004)
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Lars (the_norwegian)
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 5:34 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just about anything that was first recorded and issued on the hot wax label and then later recorded in other versions on the invictus label. The arrangements were always done better on hot wax.

But they are still some great tunes :-)
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Reese (reese)
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On the whole, I'm not too fond of artists remaking their own tunes. Sometimes its wise to leave perfection alone. But there have been some that I like. These include:

TODAY I SING THE BLUES recorded by Aretha Franklin in 1960 and again in 1969.

REACH OUT FOR ME recorded by Dionne Warwick in 1964 and again in 1998 (with El DeBarge, DeBarge,and the Emotions).
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DyvaNaye (westside314)
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 2:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Earth Wind and Fire when they remade 'Reasons' live...man look...Phillip, leave well enough alone...

Baby Washington remade 'That's How Heartaches Are Made' and put a hip hop beat to it...uh...no thanks....

Dionne Warwick did it too with 'Walk On By'...uh...yeah, right...

Note to the masters: Leave Well enough alone. I listen to this stuff because there is nothing to replace it. Thanks.

DyvaNaye
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NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 3:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

WHAT I HATE WORSE THAN A ARTIST CHANGING IS SONG IS "ANOTHER ARTIST" TAMPERING WITH IT.....FOUR TOPS HAD A ALBUM IN 2000 REMAKING MY GIRL......LEVI WOULD HAVE NEVER DID THIS IF HE WAS HEALTHY ENOUGH TO BE WITH THEM
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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The Delfonics remade all of their hits on a recent cd.

All I can say is that its dreadful.

Please guys..the songs were GREAT in their original form...keep them that way!!
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Galactus (galactus)
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What was bad about the new Delfonics versions, Eli? Please don't tell me they tried to "modernize" the recordings. Ugh.......

I can't take most remakes.......though the Dells are the big exception. I like their originals and their later versions.

This is very common in reggae.....where guys like Marley or Dennis Brown often remade their old rock steady tunes and turned them into slower, pulsating reggae versions. Those are usually pretty good and I tend to like both versions in those cases.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Post Number: 34
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 8:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey Bobby E! Was that The Professionals CD? Galactus, all that I can say is that the instrumentation wold be one of the biggest problems. You simply can't replace those live Thom Bell instrumentations with keyboard replicas. It just lacks warmth & when you've lived with the originals for so many years, the ear rejects it. The biggest problem is that these songs were done the right way the FIRST time around. There are only two songs that I can say were radically improved by being re-recorded: Stay In My Corner & Oh What A Nite by The Dells. Usually, any attempt by an artist to update a smash classic reeks of lack of inspiration & basically cashing in on their past glory. I don't know why they do this. Imagine Michael Jackson updating Thriller...something's are just best left alone.

Let's put it this way: Michaelangelo never repainted the Sistine, did he?

Peace!
Juice
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 10:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have that CD "The Professionals", and no, it's not remakes of earlier Delfonics tunes--rather, it's their last Philly Groove LP "Alive and Kicking" plus some unissued tracks. It's worth picking up if it's still available--don't know if Ace/Kent still has it in their catalogue.

When did Baby Washington do a hip-hop remake of "That's How Heartaches Are Made"? I didn't even know she was still recording (and if this is the direction she's going in, I don't think I wanna hear it! ;)).

Was there an early '80s version of "Oh What a Night"? I only know the hit versions from 1956 and 1969.

I seem to recall Edwin Starr doing a disco remake of "25 Miles"--anyone else remember that? Or maybe you'd rather not!

Best,

Mark
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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LMAO @ the thought of Baby Washington recording a Hip-Hop remake of 'That's How Heartaches Are Made'! What's next, a remake of 'Only Those In Love' with Master P? LOL.

My sister and brother-in-law recently purchased a budget, greatest hits Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes cd thinking that it was the original recordings. What they got instead was a collection of cheap and cheesy, karaoke, drum machine remakes without Teddy Pendergrass. It's now considered a Comedy cd that they put on just to laugh at.

I'd like to withdraw my nomination of Linda Jones' 1973 remake of 'Fugitive From Love'. Although I prefer her 1965 original, it isn't anywhere near as bad as the crap I've seen listed on this topic. In fact the more I think about it, it isn't bad at all. I just happen to like the original better. :-)
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Funkyone D.J. Dollar Bil (funkyone)
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Worst I heard was Lynn Collins try to remake"Think" in the 80's ,complete with a rap break.Oh the humanity!Of course the only thing worse sometimes is when they try to remix a song by a dead artist to make it more modern and hip.Jackie Wilson-Reit Petite anyone?
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DyvaNaye (westside314)
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DOLLAR BILL! Where you been man? Get in touch.

Baby Washington made over 'Heartaches' in 2002, it played on the Rhythm Review show with Felix Hernandez here in NYC...I was appalled because that is one of my favorite co-dependancy songs...lol...it is hip hop danceable at that...lol...
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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I will tell you that there are several of these "original" CDs & cassettes floating around just waiting to be purchased by some unsuspecting soul. One of the biggest offenders come from the various "Drifters" & "Platters" groups. I've also gotten a bogus "Live" Chi-Lites cassette that wasn't what was advertised. There's also a few "Fats Domino goes electronic" type of compilations floating around. The giveaway to these is that they're almost always redleased on a label that you've never heard of. The second giveaway is that the cover photos look like one of the pictures I've done on the "Still Waiting" thread. Rule of thumb: If the CD is released on "No-Smell" or, "Pointless" records, you're about to be jacked...bigtime. That is unless you've been really waiting to hear your favorite Soul artist(s) weigh in with their soulful rendition of chestnuts like The Yellow Rose Of Texas or Allegheny Moon. Somehow, I think not!

Peace!
Juice
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johneflat (johneflat)
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wassup SDers?? I love the C5+1 and always will, but the last David, Dennis and Eddie project was HORRIBLE! I believe it was done in the UK. Hearing it gave me the same sick feeling as Muhammed Ali's last fight with Larry Holmes and I nearly cried...........didn't buy that one.
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roger (roger)
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Hello Everyone.

A couple of weeks back I purchased a budget C.D. of OLIVER CHEATHAM and JOCYLYN BROWN material which includes what I found to be a remake of his "Get Down Saturday Night", all done in '90s style complete with drum machines and synthesized strings.

Of course I'd assumed it was the original recording.

Lets just say, I was disappointed .. the vocals are fine but the "instrumentation" (or lack of it) just doesn't do the business.

I also have two versions of "What it Is" by BOBBY WOMACK. They are both on compilations so I don't have the original release details. The original (Keyman?) version is a raw mid '60s stomper, the later (Minit/United Artists) version is a lot more sophisticated in terms of its instrumentation and production, and sounds to me like an attempt to emulate FOUR TOPS recordings like "Seven Rooms of Gloom". Actually I like both versions.

Roger

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