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NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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Posted From: 38.117.188.10
| | Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 5:55 pm: �� |     ���  |
GROUPS TODAY SEEM TO BE MAKING REALLY GOOD MONEY BUT WHAT ABOUT GROUPS LIKE THE TEMPTATIONS, O'JAYS, SPINNERS, STYLISTICS...WHAT IS CONSIDERED A GOOD YEARLY SALARY FOR THESE GUYS AND CONCERTS LIKE 70's SOUL JAM...HOW DO THOSE GROUPS GET PAID AND WHO DETERMINES WHAT GROUPS GET WHAT...I REALIZE MANY GROUPS DO VEGAS AND ATLANTIC CITY AND INTERNATIONAL TOURS FROM TIME TO TIME BUT MANY ACTS DON'T.....ARE THERE ALOT OF ARTIST WHO WORK OTHER JOBS BETWEEN ENGAGEMENTS ? |
Vonnie (vonnie)
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Posted From: 64.12.116.138
| | Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 6:40 pm: �� | ��� |
Great question NY-DELL,
I have often wondered about the salary percentage. Maybe someone in the biz can explain the system. I thought it might be according to the venue capacity and the amount of ticket sales. Can some one explain how the pay scale is derived. |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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Posted From: 38.117.188.10
| | Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 7:02 pm: �� | ��� |
Vonnie:
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.....BUT....WHO KNOWS WHO CAME TO SEE WHO....WITH EGOS ALREADY FULLY MATURED IN SOME OF THESE ACTS...I CAN SEE SOMEONE THINKING..."WELL WE HAD MAX CAPACITY BECAUSE EVERYONE CAME TO SEE US" OR "WE HAD MORE HITS AND MILLION SELLERS" OR EVEN "WE'RE STILL INTACT WITH THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS".....NOW THIS MAY SOUND RIDICULUS TO SOME BUT THESE ARE POINTS THAT ARE MADE IN THIS BUSINESS AND IN MOST CASES WITH GOOD REASON....BUT MOST OF THESE ARTIST HAVEN'T HAD A HIT RECORD IN 10-15 YEARS, SOME HAVE REPLACEMENT MEMBERS (and in many cases you know their not getting a full share) NOW THE TEMPTATION WHO WORLDWIDE THEIR NAME MAY BE WORTH MILLIONS....IS IT REAL FOR ONE TO THINK THAT OTIS IS MAKING A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR...OR EDDIE LEVERT AND WALTER WILLIAMS. NOW HERE ARE TWO GROUPS THAT STILL RECORD REGULAR AND TOUR OFTEN....BUT NO MILLION SELLERS RECENTLY BOTH WITH REPLACEMENT MEMBERS AND NEITHER GROUPS DOES 70's SOUL JAM CONCERTS...I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW ALL OF THIS WORKS |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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Posted From: 38.117.188.10
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 11:18 am: �� | ��� |
ALSO...DO THESE GROUPS GET PAID FOR PBS SPECIALS ? |
Eli (phillysoulman)
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Posted From: 68.236.62.71
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:02 pm: �� | ��� |
The "average" gross amount for a 'classic" act these days,is somewhere around $3000.00- $5000.00 a show, depending on the "hit status" of the act.
Out of this money they must pay their agent, their manager, if they have one, their band, accommodations, if not included, travel, if not included and other incidentals. |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:12 pm: �� | ��� |
Eli (phillysoulman):
OK THAT MAY APPLY TO SOME GROUPS...CHILITES, DRAMATICS, DELFONICS....HAROLD MELVIN'S BLUENOTES, ENCHANTMENT, BLUE MAGIC(who I heard is asking 10,000..but no confirmation on that)BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HEAVY HITTERS...TEMPTATIONS, OJAY'S, SPINNERS, FOUR TOPS, |
Shawn1 (shawn1b)
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Posted From: 65.30.15.198
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:33 pm: �� | ��� |
But you know even at 10,000 a night for a group of men say 6 after band and all that is paid they can still do pretty well if they work constantly .Shawn |
Eli (phillysoulman)
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Posted From: 68.236.62.71
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:41 pm: �� | ��� |
The heavy hitters arent hitin so heavy anymore, and those prices also apply.
Blue Magic are not getting that kind of money.
They may be 'asking" for that figure , but not getting it. |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:51 pm: �� | ��� |
ELI:
DOES THE PAY CHANGE WITH THE VENUE LET'S SAY VEGAS AND ATLANTIC....AND DOES EUROPE PAY WELL....ALOT OF THOSE GROUPS ARE MORE POPULAR THERE THAN HERE...BUT WHAT I REALLY WANT TO KNOW IS ABOUT THE 70's SOUL JAM....I'M SURE IT'S NOT EQUAL PAY ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL THOSE GROUPS |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:58 pm: �� | ��� |
SHAWN1
I FEEL WHAT YOUR SAYING BUT THE MONEY CAN'T BE THAT CONSISTENT....IN ESSENSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT 40-50,000 A YEAR....A GREAT YEAR MAYBE 75,000
NOT BAD IF YOUR DOING WHAT YOU LOVE...BUT THESE NUMBERS ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE,,,,WHEN YOU TAKE IN CONSIDERATION, TRAVEL EXPENSES MANAGERS, etc. etc., IT'S SAD WHEN YOU STOP AND THINK THAT NONE OF THE YOUNG ARTIST TODAY DON'T EVEN COME CLOSE IN TALENT |
Eli (phillysoulman)
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Posted From: 68.236.62.71
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 1:09 pm: �� | ��� |
Dell,
Thats reality.
I wish that I could say that the clasic acts are getting more money but they are not.
Vegas and AC pay a bit more on a weekly average.
Granted, there are some variables, in both directions of the pay scale, but for the most part, it is what I had mentioned in the former posting.
EWF, may be in the $10,000 per show league, based on their former glory.
Its ruff out there.
The no talents are raking it in, for now, but not forever.
Burger King anyone? |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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Posted From: 38.117.188.10
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 1:23 pm: �� | ��� |
ELI:
WOW...AND ALOT OF THESE GROUPS ARE WORKING WHAT 2-3 NIGHTS A WEEK 35-45 WEEKS A YEAR....IF THEY'RE LUCKY ? |
Eli (phillysoulman)
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Posted From: 68.236.62.71
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 2:53 pm: �� | ��� |
It's still a good living, and you can best believe that they all will still be working long after most of the current "artists" finish slinging their burgers.
'Do you want fries to go with that shake, sir"? |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 5:32 pm: �� | ��� |
WHEN YOUNG GROUPS COME ALONG THAT ARE REALL PRETTY GOOD......BOYZ 2 MEN, SILK(very good harmony for young guys just not crazy about the material) TOO SOON THEIR GONE OR NOT SELLING....I ONCE WAS IN THE STUDIO WITH MY SON WHO HAS A GROUP...I WAS LISTENING TO ONE OF THEIR TRACKS AND CASUALLY SAID TO THEIR PRODUCER THAT PART SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN HARMONY....WELL DAMN HE HIT THE ROOF "NO, NO, NO....KEEP IT SIMPLE WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO SING THIS" I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT LOGIC |
Shawn1 (shawn1b)
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| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 6:11 pm: �� | ��� |
How could a group like EWF survive on 10,000 a show I think we may cutting some of these groups short .I can understand a group like Blue Magic who didn't have that many hits but I mean New Edition was making 50,000 a night so some of the older group have to still be makin some money .Shawn |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 6:41 pm: �� | ��� |
Shawn1:
YOU KNOW I REALLY AGREE WITH YOU...BUT LATELY I'VE BEEN HEARING DIFFERENT....BOYZ 2 MEN WERE MAKING GREAT MONEY TOO...THEN I HEARD THEY'VE BEEN DOING SMALL VENUES LATELY |
janebse (janebse)
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Posted From: 68.63.6.8
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 7:34 pm: �� | ��� |
Since I find almost all the young artists boring and without much talent, it is quite exasperating to hear how much money they are making. I guess I want a world where those who are really good have their talents recognized and respected year after year after year. |
douglasm (douglasm)
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Posted From: 68.113.12.67
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 9:22 pm: �� | ��� |
This brings up a second question.....
.....with the increase in gaming houses, especially tribal casinos, has the amount of venues increased enough so that these groups can continue working? In the Seattle area (Tacoma to Billingham) there have to be at least a half a dozen casinos that are bringing in name "classic" acts, venues that didn't exist 10 years ago. |
Shawn1 (shawn1b)
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Posted From: 65.30.15.198
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 10:26 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi Douglasm I used to lived in Tacoma actually,Lakewood and there isn't a big black population in that area of the country more black in Seattle but still for the 5 years I lived there not one black act came to that area .I could not wait to get back to Kansas City,Missouri although I loved the weather up there,but I remember how they made fun of Lauren Hill when she and Fugee's had out "Killing Me Softly "and the way she said boy (Boi)saying is that a black thing .As I recall there was a station in AM that played soul music from 12pm to 6pm and after that you were on your owne if things have changed I would be so happy to hear this .Shawn |
Shawn1 (shawn1b)
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Posted From: 65.30.15.198
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 10:33 pm: �� | ��� |
NY-Dell I don't think the size of the theater matters they can always raise ticket prices .The reason I know this is because I have seen places that only seat say 500 people get an act that charges $12,000 to $15,000 per show and I know they didn't lower their price to do this gig .Shawn |
Wonder B (wonder_b)
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Posted From: 81.48.238.236
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 10:47 pm: �� | ��� |
Shawn it may be a different matter in the US but over here in France, the size of the venue DOES matter because you cannot raise the prices above a certai limit... Isaac Hayes did that when he was booked to play at the Olympia Theater a couple of years ago and they had raised the prices to a level that people over here weren't prepared to pay... they cancelled the show because of lack of ticket sales...
And I remember Maceo playing in smaller venues and bigger ones on the same tour and not asking for the same amount.
Shawn I love that song but I couldn't stand the 'one two' on that Fugees cover of 'Killing Me...' yuuuuuk... plus I liked the jazzy feel on the original R.Flack version much better...
Wonder B |
Shawn1 (shawn1b)
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Posted From: 65.30.15.198
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 11:40 pm: �� | ��� |
Well you guys lucky over here some tickets are as high as $85.00 for a single act I remember when Gladys Knight came to Kansas City,Missouri and her tickets were $85.00 I remember me and a friend were supposed to go but honey I wasn't payin that much to Gladys as much as I love her!But some ticket prices over here have gotten ourgageous to me $35.00 is reasonable may pay $50.00 but that my limit .Shawn ps On Fugess Tip I loved their version just as much as the Original ! |
Wonder B (wonder_b)
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Posted From: 81.48.238.236
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 11:49 pm: �� | ��� |
I think the prices of the shows in the US have gone mad... $85 ??? Nobody is asking for this kind of money (except D.Ross LOL) over here...
and still... people are complaining...
WB |
Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Posted From: 68.161.34.190
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 12:16 am: �� | ��� |
Fellas, don't feel too bad. Aretha Franklin at B.B. King here in NY, has these prices $450, Standing only $150. This is current. I wonder how sales were, $150 to stand!!! Sorry Aretha, with prices like those, you turned this fan completely off!
Juice |
Wonder B (wonder_b)
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Posted From: 81.249.168.39
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 4:45 am: �� | ��� |
Ouuuuchhhhhh Juice.... It hurts to read your post LOL
WB |
Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Posted From: 68.161.46.173
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 5:54 pm: �� | ��� |
Wonder, believe me, it hurt me even more to post it. I can't believe that she would allow such prices to be charged. I know that she's the Queen Of Soul & I love her but.......those prices are simply ridiculous.
Juice |
Moe (moe)
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| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 7:14 pm: �� | ��� |
Juice, I can't help but shake my head & my eyes are wide open!! Then again, I heard alot of rumblings out of Pittsburgh when Aretha did the PBS concert a while back. |
douglasm (douglasm)
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| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 8:38 pm: �� | ��� |
Shawn....
.....in the past year or so, Smokey Robinson, The Temps w/ The Four Tops, Ray Charles (before an injury cancelation) and others were scheduled in Tribal casinos. James Brown will be at the Yakima casino later this month, and Gladys Knight at another in August, and summer schedules haven't been announced yet for a couple others. That's the basis of my question. These are venues that didn't exist 10 years ago, that are booking "classic" acts into their showrooms. Has this increased the activity and revenue of some acts? |
Shawn1 (shawn1b)
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| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 8:47 pm: �� | ��� |
Oh sorry I misunderstood please forgive .When I was living there black folks were few and far between weather in concert are person lol!Shawn |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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| | Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 11:08 am: �� | ��� |
FOR SOME REASON WHICH I'VE YET TO FIOGURE OUT 70's CONCERTS ON THE RISE....MOST THE DECENT CLUBS IN N.Y. WHERE I USED TO GO HAVE CHANGED TO A YOUNGER SET IN RECENT YEARS, THERES NO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT JUST A DJ AND 18-27 YEAR OLD CROWD....A LOT OF PEOPLE MY AGE...(let's just say over 40) WEREN'T BUYING CD's NO GOOD MUSIC OUT THERE, WEREN'T GOING OUT....THERE WAS REALLY NO WHERE TO GO...UNLESS YOU CAUGHT THE TEMPTS, SPINNERS OR 4 TOPS IN ATLANTIC CITY OR THE WESTBURY MUSIC FAIR...MAYBE AN OCCASIONAL FATHER'S DAY OR VALENTINE'S DAY CONCERT...BUT NO WHERE ON ANY GIVEN WEEKEND COULD YOU GO SEE SOME OF THE GROUPS I GREW UP WITH...THE MAIN INGREDIENT, MOMENTS, MANHATTANS, PERSUADERS, TAVARES, ENCHANTMENT, etc., THE LIST GOES ON AND ON...NOW BELIEVE ME I UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS CHANGE AND THESE CLUBS AND RECORD COMPANIES "MUST GO WITH THE MONEY" AND THE YOUNG SET WERE THE ONES SPENDING THE MONEY...BUT IT'S REFRESHING TO HAVE SO MANY CONCERTS TODAY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE 10 YEARS AGO....I'D PAY $100 TO SEE A MEGA CONCERT ANYTIME...THESE PBS SPECIALS AND 70's JAM CONCERTS ARE WORTH THE MONEY AND IT GIVES THE YOUNG ARTISTS SOMETHING TO SEE AND HEAR....THAT THEY CAN LEARN FROM AND MAYBE HELP TURN THE DIRECTION OF MUSIC AROUND |
Nosey (nosey)
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Posted From: 152.163.252.166
| | Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 11:56 am: �� | ��� |
I got bills! $35-50.00 is my limit! WonderB, I love your city! |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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Posted From: 38.117.188.10
| | Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 12:16 pm: �� | ��� |
NOSEY:
I CAN'T GET AWAY FROM YOU JUST POSTED REPLY TO YOU ON THE STYLISTIC THREAD....YOUR HAUNTING MAN....BUT IT'S COOL. LOOK I GOT BILLS TOO...YOU DON'T GO TO CONCERTS LIKE THAT EVERY WEEK |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 11:51 am: �� | ��� |
Do artist get paid for PBS concerts ? |
Treble Clef (treble_clef)
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Posted From: 152.163.252.166
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 12:30 pm: �� | ��� |
I do not think artists get paid for the PBS Special |
Treble Clef (treble_clef)
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Posted From: 152.163.252.166
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 12:41 pm: �� | ��� |
To piggy back off of and earlier post...Mosts groups like a Delfonics, Chi-Lites, Stylistics, Dramatics, Manhattans, Blue Magic, Harold Melvin's Bluenotes, Emotions range from $4500 to $12,500 per show. Depending on the group. The Dells, Bobby Womack, Morris Day and The Time, Cameo, Mandrill, Kool and The Gang, Ashford & Simpson, Rick James, Spinners, Jeffrey Osborne, Peabo Bryson go from $17,000 to 30,000. People like Patti, Chaka, Isleys, EWF, Gladys, O'Jays Whispers, Luther are like $40,000 and way up depending upon the act. Each person is different..Some of those ranges are not a high or low end...The high and low end price for an act may be a $1500 to $2000 difference |
Tony Russi (tony_russi)
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| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 12:59 pm: �� | ��� |
PBS probably pays the expenses(travel,lodging,food). Alot of what you hear about this artist or that artist making X amt. is "Hype".Eli is right on the money.The booking agency sets the price on the artist and alot of times that includes the expenses.When Wolfman Jacks was opened down here in the 80's they paid the artists(group or solo)$2,000. a week & that was for 2 shows a night.That was over & above the lodging & food which the club took care of(it was next door to a large Days Inn.At that time those same artist were making that same amt. per night for a one nighter concert. |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 1:13 pm: �� | ��� |
Tony Russi:
So on the big concerts like 70's Soul Jam with 8-10 groups all with different salary histories....who gets what ? and who decides. It would seem once you throw a big name group in it would throw off the salary structure for the smaller groups e.g. The temptations on a Soul tour wouldn't get the same money as The Whispers and they wouldn't get the same as Blue magic or the Stylistics...so how would the money be divided when each group has a different history of hits and/or fan base. |
Tony Russi (tony_russi)
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| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 2:02 pm: �� | ��� |
Whatever the promoter of the show is willing to pay that has been negotiated with the artists' booking agency.The 70's Soul Jams that have been around here were like 4 groups...so maybe 3 of them are getting $2,000. per group and the "top" or headliner is getting $3,000.Its been many many years since I've been involved in that aspect so those are just figures but the amounts Eli was saying sounds right on the money to me.Maybe some of them hold out for more money but if they want to work sometimes they have to take less. |
Nosey (nosey)
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Posted From: 66.153.113.238
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 2:05 pm: �� | ��� |
Ny-Dell: Nosey is a she, btw. I obviously don't have as much enthusiam about seeing an act as perhaps you and some of the folks on the forum. I'm not paying hundreds of dollars to see "nobody". It just ain't that important to me. |
Treble Clef (treble_clef)
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| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 2:13 pm: �� | ��� |
The fees/ranges I stated were right for each artist to do a show per night but each group has a different price...So on the big tours like a 70's Soul Jam...The Stylistics always headline and they get paid the most with in that range I gave you. But that is a what you call a package deal and the promoter pays one lump fee for all the groups and their individual rates are in that package. All of the artists fees are not an even pay scale...THe Tempts cost in the $40,000 and up range... |
NY-DELL-1 (nydell)
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| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 3:05 pm: �� | ��� |
Nosey:
I would never pay hundreds, but depending on the concert (not to mention my pockets) my limit would be $100.00, it would take a hell of a line-up. |