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LaBrenda (dotchain)
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Post Number: 80
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 166.68.134.174
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 11:42 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Powers that be:
I was so disappointed in that show last nite. I had so looked forward to it. All the imposters singing off key . Who needed that crap?
Raven was abominable! Kelley has abolutely no pizzazz. The Tops lead singer was barely amateur hour at the Apollo. The Tempts pitchy falsetto left too much to be desired. And poor Mary Wilson looking frumpy in that disheveled wig. I waited and waited for Martha Reeves and the VANDELLAS to save the day. An authentic voice from the day...All mediocre imposters the whole lot.
.............................. .............................. ......... I saw MARTHA REEVES face so prominent in the TV poster. A great big GIANT yawn! ,this MOTOWN fiasco!.. I'm so astounded , flabbergasted. disappointed! Why did they even bother? The companion to Smokey sounded fine but she came off like his flavor of the week.
I just keep thinking about MARTHA and the Vandellas travelling from the UNITED KINGDOM to perform and be cut.. This life is just such a test. Your report card is a great big "F".. I still have so much to learn. Testing testing...You can see how people get to the breaking point.Thank God for a strong survivor's spirit...My wish is that Mary and Cindy had just stayed home instead of tarnishing their
image as they did with the tacky teen. You murdered MOTOWN last nite ABC ..Who would play second fiddle to a second fiddle? Even the immense Levert twisting. I could just tear that show to shreds. ..like his movement might do to his pants.
The authenticity of the show was so lacking. I can't complain or make a stink big enough. I can't express how pissed off I was that legendary diva MARTHA REEVES wasn't on that show.I had planned it for weeks. YICK!......I'll never have that time back again. It was sickening!.... ...........
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Tony Russi (tony_russi)
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Post Number: 111
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.18.58.26
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LaBrenda you sure sound almost as disgusted as me &my brother...I just couldn't beleive they would do that to Martha & after really advertising her to get us to watch.I thought Gladys Knight, Smokey, Thelma Houston & the Commadores were the best...but to think Kim Weston & Brenda Holloway were sitting in the audiance while these minimal talents were cavorting onstage was just too much.
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 155
Registered: 4-2004
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LaBrenda read my post i posted on the Countdown to Motown thread, darlin'.

Thank You
Don
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Post Number: 899
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 12:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It sounded like Motown on Karaoke. It was like an amateur show. Honestly, why did they bother, I'm still missing the point.....what was it supposed to be anyway???? Anyone?????
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SDF (handsome)
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 170.118.158.14
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 12:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok...I will get more detailed on this thread.
Again, I'm not trying to offend anyone..JMO.

Mary, Cindy & Kelly-I was glad to see Cindy (she always looks good to me) & Mary, they sounded ok, Mary sounded a lil husky & pitchy. Grade:B-

Macy Gray-Who's idea was it to "soften" her look? Let her continue to look rough...it matches her voice, which is an acquired taste for me. Grade:F-

Thelma Houston-She sounded great, but that outfit she had on looked like she stole it from a lil teenaged girl on her way to the show. Grade B

Kim Locke, Gerald Levert, Wayne Brady & Cedric The Entertainer-Though I like all of them, I wasn't that enthralled with their performances. Grade: C-

Ashford & Simpson-Nick needs to do something with his hair...He looks like Liono from the cartoon, "The Thundercats". Valerie's top suggested to me that she was doing a "Got (Skim) Milk" commercial after the show. That finale was beyond tired! Grade: D

Joss Stone-She was ok, but did she only bring 1 change of clothes? Grade:C

The Four Tops, The Temptations-they were OK.
Grade: B-

Where were the other living Motown legends?????
It's a rhetorical question.

Handsome

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Boynextdoor (boynextdoor)
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.96.8
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 12:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What a waste. The pseudo-Supremes segment was an embarassment. What WERE they thinking? Mary and Cindy looked terrible in those dresses. Yikes! Jean Terrell should have been with them.....in different dresses for sure! What were THEY thinking? The most of the show was a waste with no-talent singers attempting to sing, which they couldn't. Was a terrible travesty not having Martha and The Vandellas on that show. What a mess and certainly no tribute to the Motown I grew up with. I doubt if I'll ever watch another, if there is one?
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SDF (handsome)
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Post Number: 96
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 170.118.158.14
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 12:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

GLADYS KNIGHT-STUPENDOUS Performance, Classy
Grade:A+++++++++++++++++++++++

Handsome
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Randy Russi (randy_russi)
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Post Number: 65
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 169.139.180.100
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 12:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Again, the producers, editors, & casting directors
need much more education on film work before em-
barking on another project. ABC brass should
hope their jobs aren't on the line for this one.
By the way, on another thread there's a site for
a review of the show and a place for comments.
Martha posted a comment on being axed.
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SisDetroit (sis)
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Post Number: 182
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.42.211.240
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 12:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm not the type of person to say "I told you so." But I must remind everyone that before they even taped M45, I mentioned that there should not be a M45 because it was no longer the Motown we knew. It has a new face, and different types of artist and sound. I suggested that it be distinquished from the Sound Of Motown, have a set phasing out the old and celebrate bringing in "The New Motown." I was unhappy that they were attempting to link the New Face to the SOM. I knew it would be a Travisty.

Does anyone remember that I told you so???????
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Shawn1 (shawn1b)
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Post Number: 79
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.30.14.85
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 12:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I can't beleive they cut Martha !!!!!!!!!!If anyone finds someway to let ABC know how we feel about Martha please us know here are at the Martha Reeves Fan Club on Yahoo Groups !I sat thru all that mess AND FOR WHAT NO MARTHA !Shawn ps I did enjoy Jermaine Jackson !
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Mike Sku (mike_sku)
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 64.9.11.62
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 12:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The highlight of the show for me was definitely Gladys Knight.
I, too, was disappointed in the Supremes' performance, and I consider myself one of their biggest fans. As far as Mary's voice was concerned, I think we all have to remember her recent health problems. Her efforts were still supreme, even if the end result wasn't so great. I really wish they had found someone else to sing with them rather than Kelly Rowland. I am probably in the minority when I say this, but none of the Destiny's Child girls vocally impress me. Cindy looked great, but have we ever really known what her voice was like other than a few scattered instances?
Macy Gray was horrendous.
The rest of the show was all right. I was glad I watched it. It was interesting to see the new Tempts and Tops line-ups. I don't look at the hair or the costumes. Motown was all about the music. Okay, there was something lacking last night, but at least it was a tribute.
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Vickie (vickie)
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 198.81.26.46
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 1:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It was nice to see Nick and Val,

that was worth sitting through the entire show for me......knowing they were coming at the end...

I had to see that....

Kim Weston should have been there siging her own song.....

The Funks were great as always...

that's all Blondie can muster up to say.....

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Common (common)
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Username: common

Post Number: 4
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 209.2.55.169
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 1:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello everyone! I've already expressed in two different threads about my thoughts on the show. Here it goes for the 3rd time: IT WAS HORRENDOUS!!!The only classy performances worth talking about were Gladys & Thelma Houston. Granted, Theo & the Tops were ahite & Gerald Levert wasn't that bad, the rest of it sucked BIG TIME!! If I hear one more person attempt to sing 'What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted', I'm going to scream!! I can't understand why Jimmy Ruffin is never invited(?????) to any of these Motown events. Is there a reason why as to why this is???? I'm sorry but Smokey's voice is barely there anymore & it was sad to hear it. Ron Tyson's voice is about gone too though GC was ahite but he shouldn't try to hit those high notes. I thought his voice was going to crack. I'll think I'll stop here. I'll just that I think it's a real shame that Motown or whoever the people are that organize these shows, continually disrespect the Motown artists that are alive & can perform their own songs. This was a horrible attempt at trying to appeal to the younger crowd by having artists who themselves could need some practice in how to convey some type of emotion or be able to stay in key. It truly was a show of disastrous proportions!

Peace!

(Message edited by Common on May 18, 2004)
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Greg C. (greg_c)
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 4-2004
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This just wasn't a memorable show! The haves and have-nots regarding talent were painfully obvious.

Thanks God for Gladys Knight. Her "Neither One Of Us" was stellar. A real veteran, a fantastic voice and stage presence, and a genuine talent. I was disappointed that The Pips were played for laughs. It would have been great if her brother Merald had two "real singers" with him on backup when they did "I Heard It Through The Grapevine".

So many of the new contemporary "singers" who were obviously inserted to bring in the 18-49 audience were to put it bluntly, "inferior." Raven & Kimberly Locke could have stayed home. Joss Stone has much potential. With time, proper management, and grooming, she'll go far.

Motown 45 was a tremendous letdown...
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Bless You (bless_you)
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 5-2004
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Not having delivered Martha Reeves and the Vandellas as promised is unforgiveable of ABC!!!! I am among the folks who were looking forward to this more than any other element of the show, and POOF, no Martha. A crime.

I had to turn the TV on mute every time Cedric what's-his-name was on. Lame!
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Russ Terrana (russ_terrana)
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 1:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It was a sad night to say the least!
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SisDetroit (sis)
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Post Number: 183
Registered: 4-2004
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I've also warned that since there are so many groups singing classic Tempts songs, Otis Williams should allow his group (who license the name) to perform the songs from the latest Tempts releases. M45's Tempts did not represent the Classic Temptations at all. I give them a 2 out of 5.
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 158
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 1:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I maybe wrong, I don't feel it was the most #1 celebrated watched show last night, even if ABC says so?
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Tony Russi (tony_russi)
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Post Number: 113
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.18.58.26
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SisDetroit, you are correct in your assessment of the Temptations and you did "tell us so" a while ago.This was not a Motown Production/or Suzanne Depasse....did any of those younguns besides Nick Lashey(98% us to be on Motown) have anything to do with Motown?I'm just concerned for the way Martha was treated.They should at least send her a big check, with a formal apology.
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SisDetroit (sis)
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Post Number: 184
Registered: 4-2004
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Tony Russi - From now on I will be identifying the Tempts as "M45's Tempts."

Martha is the most loyal Motown Legend on the scene. She continues to promote Gordy's Motown and artist. She should not have been dis like that. I can't believe they allowed Kimberly two spots on M45, rather than to have Martha.

Shame on the producers, the New Motown, and ABC.

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SoniT (sonit)
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Post Number: 14
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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 1:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This show was a a waste! I couldn't even get through the whole show. I turned the channel. However, I did see Gladys Knight perform and she blew me away! She still got it! Everyone else that I saw was bad.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Post Number: 383
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As I had mentioned my feelings about the show on another thread , I will once again concur with the masses that it sucked, with the exception of Gladys and MAYBE Thelma.

Otherwise, it was a travesty and they should burn any evidence of its existance!!
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motownboy (motownboy)
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Post Number: 21
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What a shame that the Motown legacy has yet again been improperly served with a show like "Motown 45".......
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Brother Love (brother_love)
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Post Number: 39
Registered: 4-2004
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Watching this show was an insult to my intelligence, they should have called it
"The Motown Comedy Special". It was a sad moment in television history.

Nuff-said
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Moe (moe)
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Post Number: 100
Registered: 4-2004
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GLADYS RULES!!!!!!!!!!!
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SisDetroit (sis)
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Post Number: 185
Registered: 4-2004
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LOL @ Eli: "they should burn any evidence of its existance!!"
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Post Number: 900
Registered: 4-2004
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SISTER DETROIT!!!

Yes, I remember your words very well. I also would like for you to give me some stock tips. You are way better than Miss Cleo :-)

COMMON!!!! It's good to see you here! Welcome back!!!

To all who complaine about Kelly Rowland's outfit, I have one name: Valerie Simpson! I love Valerie, absolutely love Valerie. However, I kept waiting for a Superbowl moment to happen, as she kept tugging at the spaghetti strap of her dress, she must have been thinking the same thing. Any thoughts about that from our fashion police????

My last thought about this whole escapade is that it wasn't worthy to carry the Motown name. This was an amateurish production & the sight of George Lopez dancing as a Pip, will surely cause me nightmares for many nights to come. The idea of letting so many "non" singers perform was simply ludicrous. This is what happens when a company buys a known product & retains its name. It's much like sports. They sell a company rights to the event & in the process, lose control of the finished product. It was like watching Showtime At The Apollo....a really bad episode at that.

Motown as we knew it is dead! LONG LIVE THE KING!!!
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SisDetroit (sis)
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Post Number: 186
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From now on, HW, when you release a compiliation or a remix, or an original, you must identify by promoting it, the Sound of Motown "Before Motown25." (LOL) You can't just say Motown.
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NYC Diva (nyc_diva)
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Okay, here's my two cents:

To me the only performances worth watching were Gladys, Bubba and her "Pips" for the night, Thelma, Lionel (and Lionel w/Kelly Rowland) and The Commodores. The rest of the performances were deeply disappointing.

I hate to say it but Mary and Cindy sounded BAD....whoever was clowning Kelly for not being able to sing must be tone deaf, because I think she did a decent job.

Ron Tyson of the Tempts...what happened??? The key was obviously too high for him and he just could not hang with "The Way You Do The Things You Do".

Smokey, I am sorry but YOU SUCKED...and Joss Stone wasn't all that either. I don't see all the hype about this girl...if they wanted to use the "white girl who got soul" angle they should have looked no further than Teena Marie, or even Christina Aguilera, for that matter, since being a Motown artist didn't seem to be a prerequisite...

The fact that Martha's performance was edited out of the show was probably due to running time, but I think I would have preferred to have Raven's butchering of Stevie's "Superstition" (thank God Stevie is blind so he didn't have to see it) or Gerald Levert's HORRIBLE rendition of "Do You Love Me" cut out of the final broadcast INSTEAD!

I think the entire show was an embarrassment to every artist who ever recorded on the Motown label. This is what Motown has come to, I guess. This was no tribute, it was more like a travesty.:-(

A sad chapter in the once great history of Motown.
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SisDetroit (sis)
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NYC Diva - LOL. That was more than 2cents. It was more like 99 cents. LOL

Wow, I don't think anyone want me to do a "real" review of M45. Out of respect of the name "Motown." I will refrain.

I think Kelly did well with "Endless Love."
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Post Number: 904
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Tony: The only way that they can make it up to Martha would be to give her a Prime Time special. Now that I think of it, that's what they should do: They should create a new special dedicated to all of the Motown greats who were sitting in the audience & call it "THE HEART OF MOTOWN". That's exactly what this show was missing....HEART!!! As well as energy, talent, style, class, etc., etc.
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paulie3$hoes (paulie3hoes)
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eh its ol paulie(over here)
im not a man of many woids but alla youse are rite on da money wit dis
i wuz over at dis dames house eatin some macaroni and drinkin an we wuz watchin dat motown crap an dats not wut ol paulie(over here) rembers frum doze days, catch my drift??#$%^&*()
not fer nuttin but nunna doze peeple cud carry a freekn tune 'cept fer dat gladys dame, capice??#$%^&*()
dats just my 3 $ents, capice@#$^&*(
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paulie3$hoes (paulie3hoes)
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i fergot ta say one t'ing
MARRONNE!
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Largo161 (largo161)
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I posted a review to this site that I copied from Eurweb.com that clowned Kelly Rowland. But I have to agree--she was fine. Her pitch faltered a bit on "You Keep Me Hangin' On", but she was commendable on "Endless Love."
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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SISTER DETROIT: Yes you may do an honest report of the show. It's obvious that Motown is Motown in name only. These folks don't respect the institution that WAS MOTOWN. Motown is just another name that is being pimped by these folks. They obviously showed no respect for Martha who, as STONEWALL, LaBrenda & Bless you pointed out, flew in all the way from overseas to participate in the show. They had no respect for all of thr REAL MOTOWN ARTISTS, who could only sit silently in the audience, while watching the massacre on stage.

Sister D, as Motown is not even a reasonable fascimile of MOTOWN, you should feel free to tell it like it is!!! They took advantage of loyal Motown fans everywhere. They traded in on the good name of MOTOWN, & our wonderful memories of it. Basically, they took advantage of each & every Motown fan who watched & this travesty needs some true & honest reporting!!! We sure aren't going to get it from the Networks!!!

You said out of respect for the name MOTOWN, that's exactly the point...it's not Motown & they shouldn't be able to foist this kind of crap on people by misrepresenting MOTOWN. That's exactly what they did, they disrespected MOTOWN & it's artists. That's just not right!
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Post Number: 388
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MOTOWN is just a generic catch all phrase now, much like Vaseline, which the producers of the show will need plenty off when they "get the shaft"!!
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Livonia Ken (livonia_ken)
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I don't know if it was the mix or if they rolled off the low-end or what, but on the DirecTV broadcast I watched, I could barely hear Babbitt's bass during "What Becomes of the Broken Hearted" and "Do You Love Me". Did someone at ABC decide that middle-America was not prepared to deal with that much funk? :-)

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First of all, who picked William "Mickey" Stevenson as co-producer, whilst Suzanne de Passe's name is not on the credits? I blame on person for this messy program (AND the production company), Jeff Margolis [Productions]. He is a protegee leftover from Dick Clark Productions.
And as I had said in one post whilst the show was broadcast, why Los Angeles, BUT NOT DETROIT?!
Unlike the M-25 Special, Russ Terrana (or Ralph) did a spendid job on the television audio, but why Ed Greene for the "45?"
Hollywood snootiness? Emmy boy-toy material?
Do the math.
To sum it up, M-45 was a travesty (the exception of Gladys & Bubba Knight) that I chose to listen to "Let The Good Times Roll" online.
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May Motown rest in peace. The Motown most of us grew up with and loved is obviously dead and burried. Sad sad day. Thank God for our recordings to remember them by.
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Lynn Bruce (lynn_bruce)
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That wasn't Motown we watched!It was another American Idol episode that they slipped in to fool us! Those crafty bastards!
I couldn't even be sure about the funk Brothers, cause when I looked at the band up behind them they were all playing along with the funks.What was that about? Now I've heard the Funks at the Roostertail and they DON't need any augmentation from a studio band. What? Were they afraid the Funks coundn't cut it on their own?

To the poor crazed bastards that put this on.
WHAT THE F*** WERE YOU THINKING???

Oh God,take me back to the Fox theater in 1964-65-66 Detroit to watch the Motown Christmas revue!!
NOW THAT WAS MOTOWN!!!
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memo to boynextdoor: you must have read my post on another thread......one love ..what a travesty!

Kdubya
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All I can say Is I AM VERY HURT BY THE WAY THEY TREATED MARTHA!I took such prided when I saw her pic very large in the promo for M45 and to have her axed like she was nothing is really a sad state of affairs !Shawn
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[This is a reproduction of the posting on "Countdown to 45" & Review!]


Topic: MARTHA REEVES & THE VANDELLAS =not= on "MOTOWN-45" Show!

No, Randy -- and, of course, bro #1, Tony -- and all other interested parties, neither producer (shamefully listed below), nor anyone on their staffs, had not even the common courtesy or the basic decency -- especially to popular soulful music icons, inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame, among other musical recognitions -- to contact the classic Motown legends MARTHA REEVES =or= THE VANDELLAS (they're humans, too) to inform them that -- like Boys II Men -- they were inexplicably, rudely and unjustifiably 'edited out' of the actual M-45 show! It surely was not because of their praised performance from the actual Motown event (4/4/4). Their appearance is AAA-1, too, especially with those appropriate and classy goldish-toned, shimmering dresses that they wore. M.R.V. was in great form in all ways -- including energetic and lively.

When a member in Canada posted the previous late night (after 1 o'clock in the morning) that he didn't see M.R.V. or B-II-M on the C.B.C. version of "M-45", hardly anyone read that possible evil omen, and for anyone who did, they figured that he just "missed" a part of the show (how would we know?) =or= that it was the Canadian version, perhaps, more t.v. commercials, less time for the show or whatever. It was absolutely unimaginable and unthinkable that M.R.V. could not be on the show! That knowledge, even if verified, would not have helped ease the blow anyway. Martha had to be at the Detroit t.v. studio at 7 a.m. and, in fact, she was going to sleep when Bless U and I got off the phone with the diva on Sunday nite at about 11 p.m. But these producers sure knew they had cut M.R.V. out! ABC-tv surely knew. The production staffs deliberately and recklessly withheld this 411 yet continued to promote M.R.V. as being on the show, as so many on this Board have confirmed. One of our members even posted above, the morning of May 17 (while I was sound asleep), yet another news article confirming yesterday that Martha Reeves & The Vandellas are on the show. When I read that at noon yesterday, when I woke up,I thought to myself, "Whew!"

Martha Reeves and The Vandellas only found out about this musical travesty and undisputable disgrace yesterday morning, May 17th, the very day of the "M-45" t.v. special. Believe it or not, it was more by happenstance through the local media, in-person grapevine. It was also in an unworthy and embarrassing manner after Diva REEVES was at the local ABC-TV studios in Detroit, ironically, for a Motown interview regarding "M-45". The local papers even ran a headline story: "Jimmy Mack, when are U coming back?" As many of U know, I thoughtfully posted this 411 here to inform SDF-ers in the Detroit area so that our local D-members might have the opportunity to see that a.m. show. Many did! (Yes, I rec'd your e-mails of appreciation and enjoyment of the "Good Morning, Detroit" show.)

Although that show displayed some clips of the M-45 show, Miss MARTHA curiously asked them after her interview segments why they didn't include a clip of their performance, "Dancing In The Street", on "M-45"? That's when they sadly revealed to her that, surprisingly and unfortunately, M.R.V. was not on the promotional show tape that they received! Everyone was perplexed. After all, MARTHA went way out of her way and flew to Los Angeles from England in the middle of a successful tour and LOIS and DELPHINE flew from Detroit to Los Angeles to do this "M-45" show. (They still have not received payment!) The television commercials for "M-45", as recently as yesterday and right up until showtime, were displaying Martha Reeves in the t.v. ads! Of course, Martha saw them. For two, we'd call that false and misleading advertising!

I shall not go into details now, however, besides the humiliation and the insult and the depravation to the viewers of more real Motown, M.R.V. regretfully had to cancel a big party that was going to held in their honor at the previously "quiet-as-it-is-kept" location, the famed Roostertail in Detroit. U all recall, M.R.V. did their "live" Motown album which was recorded there! The very special party was to celebrate M.R.V.'s appearance on the big "M-45". U can't "celebrate" when U are cut-out.

Ironically, I was informed and shocked by this when Martha disappointedly yet thoughtfully and personally called me midday from MI to NY. She phoned to relate, as she said, "...some bad news to report", so that I, and others, would not be shocked by seeing the "M-45" show and not seeing them. When we got off the phone, I immediately called the offices of both production offices -- plus Motown Records (innocent this time). All of this oddly happened in the middle of a moment having just received a concerned and assuring e-mail message from SDF's Lowell, of dealing with an internet sniper attacking me on this board the night before, whom I complained about. Some people's agenda is to not be entertaining and/or informative but to be mean! That seemingly can happen anywhere, as I was reminded of -- twice -- yesterday.

Someone (or probably ones) is responsible for being foolish and mean to all three of the talented and lovely ladies ***M.R.V.*** -- and their endless friends, families, colleagues and fans!!! As U all must know, Martha really luvs all of her fans. I, of course, cancelled my announced M-45 dinner party out of respect to M.R.V. I let her know that. Needless to say, but I will anyway, I reached out to Miss M last eve a few times to be comforting and encouraging after the full frontal assault blow she wrongly endured. Quite frankly, she handled it much better and calmer than me and the "N.Y.C. Palz of M.R.V." I agree with 95% on this S.D.F. board who rightfully panned that "M-45" show. It was only 50%, at best.

Remember, the SDF-ers -- to our great and combined credit -- chose "MARTHA REEVES & THE VANDELLAS" as our #1 classic Motown artist that we were most anxious to see on M-45. (THE FOUR TOPS were the runner-up.) Martha was gratefully pleased when I told her of that non-stop win throughout the "Countdown to M-45". She really appreciates that, everyone. Instead, millions of people -- endless amounts of younger people (30 and under) for the very first time -- were deprived of seeing and enjoying M.R.V. but instead saw non-singer CEDRIC rolled out once again and to allegedly "sang" and yet a second!! appearance (two too many, IMO) in the show of KIMBERLY Something, an "American Idol" loser, to team up for a really bad duo, "It Takes Two". In fact, I now know (as I'm sure U do, too) that is the point when many people literally could not take it any longer and turned off their televisions. That is also the point where everyone was supposedly to see M.R.V. That aforementioned duo disaster was senselessly =instead of= seeing a Motown legend, Martha Reeves & The Vandellas, authentically and excitingly performing the MARVIN GAYE-penned, international #1, much-covered, everlastingly popular Motown anthem: "Dancing In The Street".

Besides expressing your disappointed feelings on this S.D.F. board -- do that, too, of course -- U could, actually, instead of just venting, DO something by calling and/or faxing the two "MOTOWN 45" producers in Los Angeles:

JEFF M. MARGOLIS
JOHN F. HAMLIN

Web: www.JeffMargolisProductions.com
Tel: (310) 235-1030
E-m: reception@JeffMargolisProductions.net
Fax: (310) 235-1032

Let 'em hear it!


Disappointedly,

SW = Stonewall!


Note: To answer your "?", unrelated to "M-45" and/or the M.R.V. situation, this is my self-decided only post at this time. (No TMI here.)


FYI, some more 411 has been added to the single-release songs of MARTHA REEVES & THE VANDELLAS:
www.STONEWALLvets.org/songsofStonewall-7.htm


Martha Reeves & The Vandellas at "M-45" photo to view:

www.CQI.eBay.com/WS/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=3815094792&category=29893&ssPageName=STRK3AMEBWNAIT&rd=1



(Message edited by STONEWALL on May 18, 2004)
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NYC Diva (nyc_diva)
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Boynextdoor...you hit the nail right on the head. What we saw last night was the death of the true spirit of Motown, and the Last Rites have been administered!

(Message edited by nyc_diva on May 18, 2004)
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SisDetroit (sis)
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We are just thankful that HW has the rest locked up in the vaults, to be treated with tender loving care.
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Destruction (destruction)
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My Grands, PrincessD(6) and JQ(5) have been waiting for this all weekend. Went to the Pop Stop, got our fave snacks, reserved seats on the sofa in front of the big screen, asked the Mrs to hold all calls.

Here's a few selective quotes from them.

There's Cedric, wheres Steve?

Are they going to play the 45's and sing like we do cause they don't have a band?

Let's sing with the Supremes.

Is Diana Ross dead? We really like her. Did the Supremes dump her?

Four Tops - Did they just mess up or something? Where's momma's boy, is he dead?

Smokey - Where are his backup singers?

Let's sing with Raven.(she must have done that song before, either on her show or that Cheetah Girls special because PrincessD was singing right along with her, and we rarely play Stevie's music)

Gerald Levert - Hey let's dance to that, it's moving me.

Gladys - She sings strong but not loud, that's how I'm gonna sing.

Look at George Lopez trying to dance Motown style. He can't.

Tempts - Where's Eddie? Are there any handsome Temptations left. What's wrong with his singing, is he sick?

After the M45 Tempts, it was bedtime for the bootyboops.

For most of the aforementioned reasons in this thread, overall I was disappointed.
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johneflat (johneflat)
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WELL...I see I was correct in not tuning in, something in my gut told me they were gonna screw this up! I didn't exactly know why i wasn't enthusiastic about watching until someone at work asked me if i was gonna watch, my reply:"nah there ain't nobody there I know anymore"!........
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Kev-Lo (7273747576)
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Hi this Kev-Lo As far as I'm concern That was'nt Motown 45 I was the motown of the new millenium and that all I got to say about that.Like I said in a previous post It was'nt the motown that I grew up on and Eli you are right I agree It sucked.
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Vonnie (vonnie)
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So very disappointing not seeing Martha Reeves. I was quite embarassed by the sub-par performance of the (2) Supremes.

Gladys was the only person who deserved the title "Motown" singer.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hey Lynn!!! Welcome home!!!! It's great to see you again!

ASIDE TO BOBBY E!!! As regards the Vaseline - YOU AIM & I'LL PUSH!!!!
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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To be honest, I feel sorry for each & everyone here. I know that all of us would have preffered to be reporting on a grand & triumphant extravaganza. I feel no sense of gladness making or reading these statements. I feel bad for the true fans of Motown. I take no joy in dancing over the carcass that used to be Motown. There is no joy from reporting on how far this once mighty monolith has fallen. All that I feel is an incredible sense of sadness, loss & the realization that our yesterday has gone away forever, along with the pride & innocence of those days. I feel as though the last vestiges of my youth has been snatched away!

(Message edited by Juicefree20 on May 18, 2004)
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Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau)
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Yeah Juice, eloquently put - and plus we have to look forward to being assaulted with the crap that's left for the rest of our lives.
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Yeah, it gets worse for me. After a lifetime of dealing with music I'm thinking of hanging it up. What's the point? Over the past several years of competing with Rap for the record deals and the incredibly mediocre little girl singers, I don't know where else to go. After watching the Motown farce the other night I think it finally hit me. I may not belong in this business anymore. I think I'll open up the shoe store next to Bobby Eli's hardware store after all.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Ralph: I understand how you must feel. That would be an unfortunate thing if you decided to do that. Somewhere, in the back of my mind I keep trying to tell myself that eventually, people will tire of the garbage clogging the airwaves. Maybe some sweet day, there will be a longing for the tried & true..the music with heart. Guys like you, Bobby E, Dennis, et.al have LOVE for the music. These other quick buck artists music won't stand the test of time. Whereas, we're still singing all of those wonderful classic songs of yeateryear, I doubt that in the year 2025 (if man is still alive), they'll be waxing poetic over songs like Gangster Bitch, or, Suck My D...

The legacy that folks such as those whom I've mentioned & all the others of those days is timeless & will never die. We have to have hope that someday, this will right itself. If not for folks like our classic artists, who will be the keepers of the flame???

Take heart & remember that life ain't nothing but a circle...what's old will someday be new again! Keep your chin up, buckaroo :-)

Juice
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Juice,

"I Second That Emotion"
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GOAT (goat)
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Folks, please.
These people are getting older. Their voices change and strain. Give them a break. Singing all of your life actually damages the voice. Plus age, partying, smoking...Just because they can't hold their voice today does NOT detract from what they did in the past.
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Mr. Eli & BrotherLove, you are correct!

What's Up Common! How have you been?

Destruction: I was laughing at your grands comments..."Out Of Mouths of Babes"!

Handsome
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Lynn Bruce (lynn_bruce)
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Hey Juice,what's happinin!!A month r&r in key west works wonders for your health.

Ralph while I was down there I had dinner with sax player Dave Kovarick and his wife.We both worked together in a band our first time on the road in 1960. We both stated that we usually turn to the jazz or blues stations anymore.We both agreed that the closest to the style of rock we played in the early 60s is what you now hear on the up tempo country artists like Travis Tritt,ect.A lot of it sounds like old time rock and roll.
It sure is fun talking about the old days with Detroit musicians near your own age that were there in the 60's.Remember those 15 dollar gigs at the teen clubs in the late 50's.(Mrs.Schroder could make or break your band)It sure beat packing groceries after school.(I did that also and playing in a band is a lot cooler)
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Helene (helene)
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Well, here's my two bob,

I didn't see the show, and have only the comments above to express an opinion on. BUT, I would've been unbelievably distraught to have witnessed the ommission of Martha Reeves and the Vandellas from the screening. I've seen this great lady in her "Dancing in the Streets" show a few times. She certainly continues to fly the Motown flag that we love so much, and takes the time to speak with her fans afterwards. A truly great lady - IMHO.

I would have wanted to see the original artists sing their own songs - if they were able to. I have nothing against Kelley Rowland ( and she may have been a little nervous at performing in such company ), but she was never a Supreme. And there are still other Supremes that could've completed the line up. It wouldn't have mattered at all to me if the voice or the appearance had altered - it happens to us all. How can they possibly have engaged other artists to sing the songs when the originals were either in the audience or a plane flight away?

It's the opportunity to see and hear the original artists doing their own stuff that pulls in the people I would have thought. But, I'm only a fan and not a producer.

Have someone else sing a Jimmy Ruffin song when he's able to do it himself? Oh no no no no NO! We see little enough of our favourites as it is.

If it had been billed as a tribute to Berry Gordy, then maybe the expectation would have been different.

I really feel your disappointment and am so glad that I didn't see it.

Ralph - don't give up. To have spent a lifetime in the business means that you have a true love for it. It's where your heart is. It's where you belong. To do anything else might be unsatisfying and selling yourself short.

Plus, if you set up a shoe shop you might attract the type that needs to wear three of 'em and then where would you be?

(Message edited by Helene on May 19, 2004)
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JRob (jrob)
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This was the most universally scathed show that has ever had anything to do with Motown. What a total embarassment. The sooner its all forgotten the better.
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LaBrenda (dotchain)
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To Whom It May Concern:
DANCING IN THE STREET by Martha and the Vandellas,
is a song more closely associated with MOTOWN (and the record label) than any other.
You at ABC saw fit to eliminate her from your lifeless lackluster show and replace her with the likes of FOX TV's 3rd runner up from a previous AMERICAN IDOL show...not even a winner did you get! And she performed two 'dismal' songs as well. With other musical giant CEDRIC 'the entertainer'....giant maybe, but musical? that's questionable and whatever he had to do with MOTOWN - I don't know!...and the abysmal Raven Symone, it's a shame she had to grow up into a trolip,I really can't believe your station chose to ax Ms REEVES and her Vandellas after interrupting her tour of the UK so she could appear on MOTOWN's 45th..In these days of fear of flying.Even the FOUR TOPS and TEMPTATIONS have had their lead singers and most of the other members replaced as well. None of the voices heard on that show were heard on any of the records recorded and produced by MOTOWN.(excepting,Lionel,Smoke y,Gladys) Why were we denied the right to hear the originator of such classic MOTOWN hits such as NOWHERE TO RUN,HEATWAVE,JIMMY MACK,HONEYCHILE etc,and on and on...
Its ageist, racist and sexist the way you dismissed disrespected and discounted Ms Reeves as well as her legion of fans......and it SUCKS !
Disappointingly yours
DEEDLES
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AH, but Helene, if I did draw the three shoe crowd my profits would soar by 1/3. Not too shabby.
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Moe (moe)
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Ah, Ralph, what kind of shoes you gonna sell?
You better have a female partner.
It's the females that know & love their shoes!!
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Moe,
You are so right. I'll stock a complete line of Stilettos for all the HOT babes. You can be my business partner and consultant in this, being the Hotty that you are!
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Common (common)
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Hello everyone,

JF: I'm doing fine. How are things with you? :o)

Helene: I mentioned about Jimmy in this thread or another. I, too, was wondering why he is not involved in any of the Motown specials. Yet everyone else sings his songs but HIM. I'm wondering if anyone can give us the heads up on this.

Peace!
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Shawn1 (shawn1b)
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I still can't believe Martha was treated this way !Shawn
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Destruction (destruction)
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Goat,

I hear ya and I feel ya and I'm with ya. BUT. As was mentioned earlier, compare that to a few of the PBS music specials featuring the classic acts. Some of those acts may struggle a little, but you see the effort, you notice that they practiced, and are committed to entertaining and not just dialing it in. In addition to the low production values, I really don't think they rehearsed enough, IMHO.

What I'm still trying to grasp is what audience were they trying to attract with Macy Gray, Wayne Brady, Raven, Fatone. Star Power? Top Shelf? Please. Let me stop before it gets ugly

Hey Handsome, backatcha.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hey Common!! All is well! Glad to see you back in the saddle again!
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GOAT (goat)
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True enough Destruction. And ditto on who they were trying to attract? Those all sucked. Personally I think Macy Gray stinks and is a one hit wonder, and even that I'm wondering! LOL
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Dennis Coffey (dennis_coffey)
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Hello everyone. The only comment I have is at least TJ in Rhythm, Love,and Soul respected the music and the artists. I didn't even watch much of the show after the Funk Brothers were done. Gladys was great!
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Destruction (destruction)
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Goat,

I'm waiting for Macy to remake Marianne Faithful's Broken English.
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count (the_count)
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Hey Ralph, i'am sending in my order now for 4our pairs ot these MENS STILETTOS size 10 1/2 with the 1/8th inch thick star kleets installed on the heels. Must say inside of shoe "MADE IN CARLEONE ITALY" (check is in the mail.

You might also want to karry the T.G.I.F. shoe line also, which are made in POLAND, the T.G.I.F. on the inside of the shoe stands for TOES GO IN FIRST.
"COUNT"
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hi Dennis!!!!

I'm in total agreement with you & that love & respect shows. It adds up to a totally classy affair & it's sinful when a Public Broadcasting station shows more love for the music & the legacy of the artists, than the label does. To me, that's what's so unforgivable, the lack of respect.

Dennis, I look forward to purchasing your book. I hope that there's a little Wings Of Fire in there!

Peace!
Juice
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Destruction,

Now that would be different. Not sure much better but different.
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janebse (janebse)
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It wasn't Motown who did the show, just some enterprising entrepreneurs trying to make a buck. I have no idea how much these people knew about the business. Whatever they were trying to do disappointed everyone.

I too wondered why Jimmy Ruffin hasn't appeared. I'd really like to hear why if someone from England knows. It was hoped he would appear with Martha Reeves in her tour, but he declined at the last minute, or so I understand.

I think the first PBS R &B Show was the best.
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marv (marv)
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I know I am in the minority, but I loved Motown 45 and will add it to my collection of the other Motown Anniversary Specials. I loved Mary Wilson and Cindy Birdsong (along with Kelly Rowland), I enjoyed Gladys and Smokey immensely. Jermaine sounded better than he has in a long time, The Tempts and Tops have gotten older (everyone has) but I enjoyed their prescence. I wished Lionel Ritchie had joined the Commodores for at least one song. I missed Martha Reeves and The Vandellas not being included and wouldn't it had been great to have Berry say a few words? All in all, it was not perfect but it was great TV for a Monday night. I am proud of all of the Motown Legacy. Yesterday, Today and Forever!!!
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Helene (helene)
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Hi Common,

I can't find one single piece of up to date info on Jimmy Ruffin ANYWHERE, and I find it really puzzling. It all started when I was expecting to see him with Martha Reeves. Martha explained that he was unable to make the show due to "other commitments". I thought that she may have meant it as a one off thing for that particular night. But, the same explanation was also given the next time I saw the show.Bearing in mind that Jimmy would've checked his schedule before agreeing to do the tour, I started to believe that it would be unlikely for him to cancel the whole thing without some serious reason. I checked the web for info on all the UK shows - and he was still billed as appearing. Except that he didn't.

I then started scouring the web for any information at all - but drew a complete blank, apart from the usual biographic stuff. I made a few enquiries on this site - but again not too much information was forthcoming. I did consider sending an e-mail to Marvin Ruffin after discovering his own site, but I felt that that may have been a bit too cheeky and intrusive, after all I'm only a fan and not entitled to personal information.

I have concluded that something may have happened in his life that demands total privacy for the time being, and I respect that. I just hope he is in good health and that sometime in the not too distant future we'll have some positive news.

Hey Ralph and Count,

If Ralph is to start supplying shoes for the Polish Community, can I offer my father's services? He is Polish, and has a liking for the type of liquor that can take the fur from the inside of a kettle. So much so that he makes the stuff, and now has hundreds of bottles stored in his shed at the bottom of the garden, against my mother's wishes. She would sure like to see the back of the stuff, and I know I could get a real good deal for you.

You could offer it to promote your new T.G.I.F line. It's seriously powerful stuff. :-)

On second thoughts though, I have sometimes seen him in a state of intoxication, minus his shoes ( normally on the point of leaving home or something ), so it may be that the strong stuff makes you forget about needing to wear shoes when going out. That wouldn't be conducive to good business then.

Oh well, if I have any more bright ideas I'll post them.:-)


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Hey Count,
Originally it was my idea to sell Stelettos only to the babes. However, not wanting to ignore mi fratello Italiano, I've got you covered.
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Helene,
If you want, I could stock your dad's hootch at the store, give a bottle away when a customer buys TWO pairs of shoes. But not until they buy.
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ralph (ralph)
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By the way, I happen to be very fond of blonde, green eyed, Polish women.
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Helene (helene)
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Ralph,

Looks like I'm out of luck then - my eyes are blue.

Story of my life!
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Moe (moe)
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Ralph,
Boy, do you have that narrowed down or what?
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Moe,
I'm sure it is a lot narrower than most would realize. Besides, I am a man of specific desires.
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Helene,
I'm sure the right person will come along. It happens from time to time and I wish you the best. I'm also partial to blue eyed Polish women, but in this instance I kind of lost it all to a partcular green eyed, blonde.
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Steve (steve_litos)
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Helene - If you search the archives there was a long thread about Jimmy Ruffin. Someone (it could have been Jimmy) posted a message as Jimmy Ruffin. I kinda believed at the time that it was him.

-Steve
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Helene (helene)
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Thanks Steve - I'll check it out.

Ralph - LOL, I was in a playful mood and enjoyed the giggle. Thank you :-)

I hope you've decided to stay in the business and not sell shoes for a living now.
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Moe (moe)
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I have a feeling Ralph loves the business too much to give up that easily, right Ralph?
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I suppose so Moe. I guess I just have to figure out where I want to go with it all. Maybe a little break will help. I hear Sausalito is nice this time of year. Think I'll go hang there for a few days in June.
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Moe (moe)
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Sausalito is very nice in June. I really hope you have a great time!! Are you going to do anything special there?
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Well I'm told it's a place one goes to when they are chasing their fantasies, Moe. So I've been told anyway.
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Dennis Coffey (dennis_coffey)
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Hey Juice. There are a lot of Wings of Fire in the book. I think you will enjoy it.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hey Dennis! I look forward to checking it out. I just always believed Wings Of Fire to be underrated. I thought that it was a great song!
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Ralph,
Although I do not want to see you leave the music industry, please be aware that if you were to enter the world of shoes, please carry a full line of cement shoes. Bobby Eli has a friend who would be your best customer. By the way, does anyone know "to whom it may concern"'s
shoe size?
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Stonewall (stonewall)
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Let's go back about 20 posts to the subject: "Review of Motown 45".

THE FOUR TOPS, the 2nd favorite choice of S.D.F.-ers in our recent pre-event poll, I think looked swell, have the real spirit of Motown and did a very good performance with their great, diverse and various year song choices: "Reach Out, I'll Be There" (1966), "Baby I Need Your Loving" (1964), "I Can't Help Myself" (1965) and, to me, especially "Standing In The Shadows Of Love" (1967). We all greatly miss the incredible LEVI STUBBS. He can never be "replaced". WE wish him better health. I believe no one we've seen could have done a better turn at filling in for him than THEO PEOPLES. The FTs clearly like him, too.


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Tony Russi (tony_russi)
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I agree with that Stonewall.

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