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  Vonnie (vonnie) 4-Laureate Username: vonnie Post Number: 121 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.200 |
Again people, LaToya and Fantasia are in the bottom two. Randy Jackson just said "he can't believe that two of the best singers in the whole competition are in the bottom two again". One of them will be going home tonight. Elton John you were right on target with your view of the voting. | ||
Vonnie (vonnie) 4-Laureate Username: vonnie Post Number: 122 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.200 |
The results are in and LaToya London was voted off. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!  | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 4-Laureate Username: sis Post Number: 133 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.211.240 |
SHAME AND SHAM!!!!! I need not repeat myself about the Americans. They never fail me. They always live up to my expectations. I am never surprised.  And please don't tell me not to pull out the card. That is just a cop out. (Message edited by sis on May 12, 2004) | ||
SoniT (sonit) 1-Arriviste Username: sonit Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.140.132.102 |
I'M THROUGH WITH AMERICAN IDOL!!!! That's it for me. It's a joke. It's not about talent. I voted for LaToya. I'm not worried. That girl can SANG and she'll be just fine. I agree with you wholeheartedly. You can't tell me that race doesn't have anything to do with this. (Message edited by SoniT on May 12, 2004) | ||
The Chosen One (the_chosen_one) 1-Arriviste Username: the_chosen_one Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
You know, after watching that crap I promised myself to never watch that show again. It makes no sense that America voted Latoya off when she clearly proved she shouldn't have been. As I stated time after time before that America doesn't want to hear real music anymore. When you see talent, you recognize it, but when America votes it matters. Even after America supposedly voted George W. into office, I knew that this country didn't was full of non-sense. I'm in total shock and it has saddened me that true talent is not recognized anymore. Waymon | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 5-Doyen Username: ladymystique Post Number: 330 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.37.228.106 |
Do I hear RECORD DEAl? J Records better snag her! | ||
65memories (65memories) 1-Arriviste Username: 65memories Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.73.56.182 |
You can blame two things for the fact that the two BEST singers, Latoya and Fantasia, were in the bottom two: 1. The teeny-bop vote...not based on talent whatsoever. 2. RACISM (Elton John was right). But if Latoya didn't snag a record deal with her superb rendition of "Don't Rain On My Parade" at the end (ironically, a fitting choice of song, then there really is no such thing as justice. | ||
Bless You (bless_you) 2-Debutant Username: bless_you Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 66.41.19.9 |
"Even after America supposedly voted George W. into office, I knew that this country didn't was full of non-sense." What exactly is your point here? Not only does the sentence not make sense, butt, "What's Bush Got To Do With It?", Tina?? Thank God he was elected because he had the balls to defend our country!! Love the whole Bush team, including of course the lovely and brilliant Condi Rice!!! | ||
ladylove (ladylove) 2-Debutant Username: ladylove Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.130.218.105 |
Bless you..."Bless you"!!!! You get an amen from over here!! I agree!!!!! But back to American Idol...the average american cd buyers are teeny boppers...they wouldn't know talent if it came up and bit them in the a**! | ||
Bless You (bless_you) 2-Debutant Username: bless_you Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 66.41.19.9 |
Hi LadyLove! Are you named after that gorgeous love song by the great Lou Rawls? Cool! Oh yes, with A.I. ("Artificial Intelligence"), the audience has a collective IQ of maybe 71 (one point above Flipper), on a good day!! How the voters could have kicked off the roof-raising Tamyra Gray in season one before Nikki McKibbin was one of the mysteries that even Sherlock Holmes and Miss Marple together couldn't solve! Unless you factor in the "Bubba" vote. I swear, my neighbor's dog whimpered every time Nikki started bleating like a billy goat in labor!! Paula even cried over it tonight! Oh wait -- that's S.O.P. for her. | ||
oldschooldawg (oldschooldawg) 1-Arriviste Username: oldschooldawg Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.130.218.105 |
I AGREE with ya Blessyou!! Dang...I'm glad I'm not one of those people that blame George Bush if the sun doesn't come up!! Why dont we blame him for the hot weather while we are it! My car won't start...my kid is getting bad grades...it GW's fault! Spare me! LOL Anyway, yeah the other criteria for americas vote is.."IS HE CUTE? DOES HE HAVE A NICE BUTT"??? WOW SHE WEARS THOSE JEANS REALLY WELL!! Please.....I promised I would stop wasting my time with that show!!! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 752 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Bless You; I started to pass this thread by, I really did. As I read your last statement, I just couldn't. I wish that I could, but, my heart just won't let me. I have to respectfully disagree with your statement regarding George W. I wish that I could love them, but I can't. I can't love those who don't love me. I can't love those who play games with our lives, as though we're merely chess pieces on a board. I can't love those who have contempt for all of us & who consider us to be insignificant due to the size of our bank accounts & our station in life. As a black man, I absolutely despise Ms Rice more than George & friends. She SHOULD know better, she SHOULD know what's really going on. I could reiterate further but, as I have nothing nice to say, I won't say anything about her at all. I'll just say that I'm more than a bit disappointed in her & Mr Powell too! They SHOULD know better! You say that he's defending our country. He is??? Frankly, he's destroying our country & trust me, we have yet to feel the inevitable fall out from his decision to thumb his nose at the world. Our kids are dying to save who??? From who??? If he was defending our country, he'd be charging through Afghanistan, not settling for a second rate leaders' scalp as a trophy. As it was Bin Laden who struck a fatal blow against our homeland, he should be after Bin Laden. POINT BLANK!! Instead, he goes on a mission of freedom to save Iraq. A people who hate us, our culture & all things American, except for our mighty dollar, of course. He's fighting to free all of those poor souls, who quite incidentally, we armed & supported in the Iran Hostage Crisis in 1979. Weapons that ironically are being used against our troops now. Follow this: In effect, we've provided our used to be friend, who's now our enemy, with the means to kill our troops, while trying to SAVE THEM!!!! Kinda convoluted, don't you think???Folks need to visit Bushflash.com, I think you'd find it to be quite interesting. We supported Iraq against "the monster" Ayatollah Khomeini. 25 years later, we're fighting them & are going to emancipate them & at what cost??? FOR OIL??? The price of our precious children's lives is oil, damn oil. My son means more to me than oil, too bad George & friends disagree. Why is it that THEIR children never have to give their lives for all of thses "noble" causes??? Us, we can die, our kids can die & George W poses in a B52 or some such crap for a George Patton moment!!! Earth to George, this is not a movie partner! Kids are dying so this guy can play General McArthur...INCREDIBLE!!! The Iraqis will still hate us, the Muslim world will still hate us. However, maybe, just maybe, we'll be able to control the oil fields. Of course, George W's friends will make out like bandits with their exclusive rights to rebuild Iraq, if we are able to be victorious. This is no noble fight & was never supposed to be. This is a case of a bully who thumbed his nose at the entire world & is finding out that the enemy isn't rolling over & playing dead. He grossly miscalculated his enemy. Even if we "WIN", we'll be dealing with this again in 10 or 20 years. When will they learn??? How you you defeat a people so full of hatred, that they would willingly become human bombs? What threat can you use against such a person, What, you're going to threaten to kill them??? HELLO!!! They're willing to kill themselves, in fact, they can't wait to meet Allah. Hell, they'll kill themselves just so you won't have the satisfaction of doing it. Doesn't seem as though that's much of a deterrent to me. I do not see a connection between Iraq & Bin Laden. Neither do I see all of those weapons of mass destruction that we heard so much about. If my son, or brother were killed, I would try to move heaven & earth to get their murderer. That's any normal persons' reaction. With that as a given, why are our kids dying in Iraq, instead of pursuing Bin Laden with every ounce of strength & man power we've got? To paraphrase Tina Turner: "What's Sadaam got to do with it, got to do with it?" For anyone who really thinks that this is a noble cause, you should really think about this. It's wonderful now, kill the Iraqis & all that. However, when gas & oil prices go up & businesses suffer, George & his boys will still make out fine. When we lose even more jobs due to a poor economy & outsourced jobs, George & friends will still be alright. If the day should come when terrorism hits our trains, our malls, etc, George & friends will still be ok. You see, George & friends don't ride Amtrack, the LIRR or the A train. They don't hang out in malls much either. But, you & I.... we'll be the ones diving to the ground, we'll be the ones who pay the supreme price. We'll be the ones who endure evacuations, bomb & anthrax scares. Don't you realize that to George & friends, we're dispensable? We pay their salaries, give them their jobs & they screw us every way imaginable. When the bill comes in for this "war", who's going to pay it??? You will & I will. And guess what, we'll be no safer, we'll be in more danger than ever. The entire world is watching & anyone who believes that this is just, has watched one John Wayne movie too many. Either that, or George is a combination of Mesmo The Magnificent & Svengali. How he ever convinced Americans that we need to get Sadaam before we got Bin Laden amazes me & his actions is proof of what The Chosen One states. It about Bullshit, smoke & mirrors. And, too many Americans, who really should see through this, have fallen for it hook, line & sinker. Aah, the arrogance of it all. We're right & everyone else is wrong....OK. This entire situation has the capacity to escalate into a fireball that won't be stopped. This is not a simple situation here & as we're seeing, it's bigger than America. George W has started a ball rolling that has tragic implications for the entire world & believe me, I see no victory here short of blowing that region to smithereens. It's not going to stop, no matter how superior we think we are. What he has done is create enemies world wide & don't believe that for one second that they're stupid. I'm quite sure that more than a few of these countries are thinking, "Hey, if he did it to them, he can do it to us". Would you trust us??? Aside from that, while we're saving the world, who's going to save us??? Just last night, we lost one of our music greats, John Whitehead to senseless violence. Everyday, in American cities everywhere, Americans are killing....Americans. In America, you can get more time for distributing cocaine, than for taking a HUMAN life!!! And guess what??? The murderer will be free on the streets within 7-10 years, if that long, whereupon he can do what???? KILL MORE AMERICANS. Why is that?? Could it be the fact that in some small towns, the prison system is the biggest industry?? Could it be the fact that murder & mayhem provides many jobs for judges, lawyers, cops, etc??? Hell, crime is big business. What about the militias that just couldn't wait for Armageddon...the final war which was supposed to be White Vs Black??? What about the KKK, he Skin Heads, The Gay bashers & all of these good folks. I don't recall seeing ONE of them with a towel wrapped around their head, do you???? No folks, these were good old boys of American stock, of a vintage called hate. Guess what friends?? They haven't gone anywhere. Some of them are that really groovy friend from work, that sincere Congresman, or, that respected judge. Right here on good old America soil where they've been spreading their poison, both above & underground for years. Everyday, somewhere in this great country of ours, an elderly person on a fixed income has to choose between paying for medicine that they need to maintain their health, or paying for food or shelter, which they also need to maintain their health. Damn near every month, another company lays off thousands of, guess who??? AMERICANS!!! Those jobs are not EVER COMING BACK!!! Here in New York City, rent is increasing to the point where many people are in danger of being homeless..... WORKING PEOPLE!!!! Companies are merging left & right, banks are merging left & right. Jobs are being downsized & outsourced to the extent where there won't be enough jobs for the populace. Kids are graduating from college & can't find jobs. As for the older workers, they continue to raise the retirement age. Of course, they continue to take Social Security taxes, however, at the rate they're going, you'll die the day before you retire & never get to reap the benefits of you years of hard work & contibutions into the fund. HOWEVER!!! Should you actually live long enough to collect Social Security, guess what???? IT MAY NOT BE THERE!!!! Someone's got to pay for this war & their ideas. Believe me, the working man will get screwed every time. And people want to claim this???? To honor such people???? Well......Ok!! Not ME!!! I think I'll pass on the platitudes. God forbid the day comes when we're all out in our cardboard housing complexes, thinking about the good old days. You know, the days when there were still such things as jobs, affordable homes, money & the pride of being able to provide for our families. You can believe one thing.... no one's gonna give a damn about who sang with who & who's their favorite group either. No one's gonna care who sounded better & what wonderful clothes they wore. And as we're fighting our equally poor & destitute neighbor for that last scrap of garbage & fighting to survive, we can all hold hands, sing Kumbiya & thank George W & his friends for freeing & re-building Iraq. While running America straight to hell!!! Think it can't happen???? Guess again. Every great empire has fallen & why did they fall??? Greed, arrogance, debauchery, corruption & being drunk with power. All done of course, while doing "God's will". All that I can say is, you got to be careful of which "GOD" you're really serving. I know in my heart that God is not happy with what's happening, not happy at all. Trust me, we haven't begun to pay for this either! The hell with saving Iraq, America needs to mind its OWN damn business sometimes. It's not like they're taking care of home that wonderfully. I don't care about Iraq. What I want to know is when are they going to start saving AMERICA???? (Message edited by Juicefree20 on May 13, 2004) (Message edited by Juicefree20 on May 13, 2004) | ||
Charise (mistrivia1) 3-Pundit Username: mistrivia1 Post Number: 41 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 198.81.26.46 |
Well, Well, Well, ignorance rears it's ugly head, again!!! My hometown girl was kicked to the freakin' curb! This is the first time I've ever heard loud BOO's from the audience, after they sent Jasmin back to the couch. The young people who voted, poor things, they need to hurry up and get to the doctor, so they can have that excess ear wax extracted from their EARS, because it is dangerous to their health!!!!! Latoya has handled it like a pro from the time she got there to the END tonight! Elton was somewhere yelling at the tv(smile). I felt Paula and Fantasia's tears, even though I didn't cry, I just shook my head, stood up and clapped, especially when Paula & Randy made their statements about the outcome!! It's all good, she and the others before her, will be just fine! She will be picked up, no doubt! Wow, it is funny how people can be so intimidated by good, powerful talent, so much so, that they would do anything to dismiss it!!! Alas, you can dismiss it, but you can't deny it. This was her stepping stone to get across to America, she did that, and she has arrived!!!! P.S.- the local news station here, did a segment on her tonight, starting from her childhood up til now. What I found touching was that, when her father passed 4 yrs ago, her mother said he was drawing his last breath and Latoya was laying on his chest singing "If I Could", which was his favorite song and the song that got her to the competition. Wow, she is awesome!!!!!!! When the album drops,(oops, cd) I will have my copy!! Before I forget, the newscaster said that some people said that the number to vote for her was disconnected and you couldn't get through! I too wonder sometimes about this phone system, as I was unable to get through, myself! And on speed dial, I might add. There will be discussions at work tomorrow and on the radio in the morning!!! God has it all under control!!!! | ||
Charise (mistrivia1) 3-Pundit Username: mistrivia1 Post Number: 42 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 198.81.26.46 |
I feel YA, JUICE. I second, third and fourth that EMOTION!!!!!!!! | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 5-Doyen Username: stonewall Post Number: 199 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.113.74 |
Oh, Juice, I was wondering where U were for the past hour. Now I know. What a waste of your time. U know that U are the exact same person who would have been one of the first to criticize President Bush, Jr., if he didn't appoint any people of color to his Cabinet. His predecssor Bubba Clinton didn't appoint any people of color to any high positions butt (ooops... cigar time)in the White House, that was okay, huh? Wouldn't U say that U are prejudiced? Whether U think it or not U are! In other words, politically, U can't win with U. Historically, U probably think it was a Democrat who freed the slaves. Well, guess again. The Dems wanted $lavery and that's a fat fact that will never die! That's why we had a Civil War! Although U live in Brooklyn, U are only a few miles from the former World Trade Center. A little bit off in their steering by those non-pilot, thieving, murderous, barberic hijackers and one of those huge airplanes loaded with diesel gasoline -- besides passengers -- could have crashed in your 'hood and wiped out your entire community off the face of the Earth. Your family -- including all of those in your Mother's Day pictures -- and U would be dead! U haven't noticed any terror attacks in America since then have U? It took a lot and cost a lot to change all that. "Watchout". U might not be so lucky with the next president. We might have a repeat of 1993 when the W.T.C. was bombed, killing some people and this country did not go after the terrorist organization that masterminded it and then they returned eight years later to kill 3,000 and wound 10,000 and destroy two of America's tallest and grandest buildings. Do U know how many concerts I went to there?. Plus, the Best Disco in the World? Why the year before I saw THE CRYSTALS there. The same year I saw THE VILLAGE PEOPLE and THE RITCHIE FAMILY there. Your girls, MARTHA REEVES & THE VANDELLAS, have performed there, too. Oh, yes, they did, Oh, U didn't know? Well, U know now. M.R.V. used to do the "Outdoor Summer Series at the World Trade Cenrter". And U know where the big stage was set up? Right between the two Twin Towers. Imagine, Motown legends -- and a girl group no less -- murdered while performing at the W.T.C. by foreign terrorists? Don't get me started. I truly miss all those great times there with the music. U know that song -- another violent animal just claimed the co-author's life -- "Wake Up Everybody". Drink your Juice and wake up! Now, let's get back to the music! | ||
zaya (isaiah) 2-Debutant Username: isaiah Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
Stonewall, first of all, Bush was NOT popularly elected, he was SELECTED by clearly right-wing conservative Supreme Court... He and his plutocratic cabal, which includes his brother, Governor Jeb Bush of Florida, engaged in all kinds of violations of the the 1965 Voting Rights Act, including using the time-honored Southern practice of using the police to intimidate and discourage Black voters, many of whom are from places like Haiti and Cuba... Your absolutely ridiculous comparison between the Radical Republican administrations of the 1860's and the right-wing racist conservatives of today tells me that you are just mouthing some of the propaganda their feeding you in their promotionals... The fact that my ancestors weren't freed by no republicans or democrats, but by their own will to be freed by fighting for it... Besides, have you ever heard of Jim Crow Segregation? The Civil War didn't FREE no African Americans, man... Get into your history books more deeply - otherwise you'd be wise to, yes, get back to the music, and just STAY there!!! And Juice is absolutely right on point, whether you think he's "prejudiced" or not... The United States is not in Iraq because of no September 11th, but for the purposes of securing one of the prime geographic and oil-rich countries on the globe... Most of the September 11th hijackers come from Egypt, and their money sources are Egyptian and Yemeni, but the U.S. is not there because, again, they have the status of a "friendly nation", because of their strategic location on the globe... This is all about some politics, and "innocent" lives of American soldiers and Iraqui civilians and soldiers are being lost in that political game... And Stonewall, after a few more Americans are beheaded, and we have to live with the fear of more attacks from these folks, then you will understand that going to war is never a great thing, nor is returning barbarous acts against another's barbarous acts, a solution... These folks have already proven that they will not be cowed by American military might... They are going to continue to deliver eye-for-an-eye blows against American might until Americans wake up one day, and are afraid to leave their homes - much less travel abroad - for fear of a terrorist attack... Terror, I must remind you, was used extensively against African Americans down in the south... Do you know what it accomplished??? It only made our resolve to tear down segregation stronger - and we didn't have no bombs(smile!) So I will leave you to ponder what effect this war is going to have on those Iraquis and their supporters... Peace! Isaiah | ||
Mike Sku (mike_sku) 2-Debutant Username: mike_sku Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.9.11.62 |
Just like everyone else here, I too am disappointed that LaToya London was voted off American Idol last night. She was my favorite from the start, and I really wanted her to win. I think Jasmine got by on the sympathy vote, just like John Stevens did a few weeks ago. The judges, including Donna Summer, brought Jasmine to tears, so she became the underdog. I still do not think race has anything at all to do with the voting. It saddens me to think there are several members of this board that think along those lines. I feel certain that LaToya will have a very lucrative career ahead of her, and I will be among the first to buy her CD when it comes out. As for the rest of the competition, Simon may have been right from the very beginning when he said the final two would be Fantasia and Diana. Now that Diana has grown so much during the process, I think she is quite a contender. Even though I wasn't as big a fan of Fantasia as others were from the very beginning, I have grown to appreciate her more as the season progressed. Both of these ladies are talented, and we may just end up with another situation like last year: almost co-winners, and that would be fine with me. | ||
Reese (reese) 3-Pundit Username: reese Post Number: 48 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.15.169.206 |
Diana gave a great performance this week, so I was glad to see that she was safe. I had lost a bit of enthusiasm for her, but she really redeemed herself in my eyes when she sang ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I still think a big problem for Fantasia and LaToya is that they split the vote among their fan base. Both of them are in such a different league than the other contestants that it might be hard to choose between the two. Plus I still think they might not be connecting all that well with the main American Idol fan base,i.e. teenyboppers. As far as Jasmine is concerned, I agree with Mike. Sympathy votes, as well as her very supportive Hawaiian fan base, carried her through. But I am sad to see LaToya go. She was definitely my choice this year. But if she had to go this week, she certainly went out with class. Her final performance of DON'T RAIN ON MY PARADE was classic. | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 177 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
I wonder how much health care could have been provided, or affordable housing, or college educations or any number of worthwhile things that the horrendous cost of this useless war has drained from the American tax payer? We cannot shove our political ideal of Democracy down the throats of those that have no concept of it. I didn't want to get into any political discussion, but since it was brought up I needed to add my two cents worth. I'm going to be 62 years old this July. I've seen quite a few presidents come and go, but this one is the worst of the lot. Are we forgetting the lessons of Viet Nam? | ||
Vonnie (vonnie) 4-Laureate Username: vonnie Post Number: 123 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 152.163.244.63 |
Right on Ralph, zaya and Juice! SisDetroit, the only cards you pull out are all ACES! | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 179 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
I suppose this is not thead to get into any political discussions. Maybe I'll start a thread for that sole purpose. | ||
Bless You (bless_you) 2-Debutant Username: bless_you Post Number: 18 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 192.28.2.17 |
Juice, While I admire the fact that you at least can think and write eloquently about your position, you are simply dead wrong in slamming Bush, Rice, Powell, and the Republican Party! You are blinded by your own prejudice towards Republicans. Point #1: Bush/Rice/Powell/Rummy et al., were in office 8 months at the time of the Islamo-fascist attacks. Bubba and Hitlary had 8 YEARS to go after Bin Laden! The current administration was barely settled in and yet they are being blamed by ignorant fools for 9/11. Ridiculous. What exactly did Clinton do to fight terror? Let's see...he increased immigration from terrorist nations ten-fold, with the help of that old hag Doris Meisner....He helped the Muslim Albanians invade southern Europe by bombing the Serbs, our long-time allies...and when Sudan offered to hand over Bin Laden, Bubba passed on it, far too busy with Monica and his cigar to give a rat's patoot. Oh, and Bubba is no friend to black people! What did he do to stop the Rwandan genocide of 800,000? NADA! POINT #2: Your loathing of Powell and Rice is irrational. You think Dems are so nice? Did you watch Condi get harped at by all those white male DEMOCRATS? It made me sick. If a Republican white male had talked down to a Democrat black female like that, oooooh chile, the media would have been all over that. U know it. POINT #3: No, Dubya is not perfect, but he was the clear choice last time around, and he is this time around too. Thank God that Al Bore was not elected; if he had been, on 9/12 he would have been apologizing to the terrorists and having everyone hold hands and sing "kumbaya". Oh - and giving everyone free anti-depressants to cope, like ol' mental case Yipper. Bottom line: Bush has cajones! Now, on domestic policy, I disagree with much of what his ideas, like for example, legalizing millions of illegals which are flooding the whole nation. Oh and lest you think I am an immigrant basher, I'm not -- two of my best friends are immigrants -- LEGAL ones who love this country and want to actually contribute something to it rather than sucking the social welfare system dry. POINT 4: You want to improve the economy? Lower taxes! Have u ever looked at your paycheck (assuming you have a legal profession) and noticed how much of it is siphoned off? The punitive levels of over-taxation are what is making it hard for families to get by! This is why most women don't even have the choice to be a homemaker -- their hubbies are getting HALF their $$ stolen before they even see it! I agree with you that Social In-security is a fraud. But, hello, are you aware of Bush's great ideas to instead have a personal savings system? He wants you and I to invest in ourselves and keep more of what we earn. But who is blocking this badly needed overhaul? The Dems! Why? They just love to take, take, take our money, because sadly, that once-great American political party has been coverly overtaken by Socialists. Socialism is what is ailing this country. And u know what else? I agree that it is a travesty that so many jobs are getting outsourced, but think about it, what are corporations supposed to do when 40% of what they earn is immediately confiscated???? And that's BEFORE paying any of their employees, and BEFORE the costs of doing business: paying accountants, complying with 50,000 pages of needless regulations, all the federal paperwork they have to comply with, and hiring lawyers to try to protect themselves from frivolous class action lawsuits, or morons who spill coffee on their crotch and a jury of jealous morons rules that Mickey D has to fork over $$$$$millions! Modern conservatives are really classical liberals (different from post-modern liberals). Conservatives are interested in freedom. Recommended reading: "Idealism and Its Limits" by Mervyn Fein "For The New Intellectual" by Ayn Rand Luv, Blessie! | ||
Livonia Ken (livonia_ken) 2-Debutant Username: livonia_ken Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 136.1.1.33 |
All of the contestants remaining are teenagers themselves. I hope that the result of last night's show means that Latoya's album will be out three weeks earlier. I predict a bump up in Fantasia's numbers for next week, as I bet most votes that were going to Latoya will be going to her next week. I don't understand how anyone with one or more functioning ears could vote for Jasmine. Ah well. Regards, Ken | ||
Sue (sue) 3-Pundit Username: sue Post Number: 54 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20 |
"Have u ever looked at your paycheck (assuming you have a legal profession" Who is this person? | ||
Livonia Ken (livonia_ken) 2-Debutant Username: livonia_ken Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 136.1.1.33 |
Sue, Based on the post, I assumed it was Barbara Bush, but I'm not sure if she is enough of a Martha & the Vandellas fan to take "Bless You" as a moniker. Regards, Ken | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 182 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
Has anyone noticed my Soap Box thread???? | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 4-Laureate Username: tony_russi Post Number: 96 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.83.155.35 |
Isn't American Idol the same program that Mr. Hung was on that he now makes more money from record contracts then legitimate recording artist make?The show is as flaky an unrealistic as "Pink Lady" was in the 70's....yes, Japan actually has PopStar School.I don't think race has anything to do with it. If the young lady can really sing then she will make it from the publicity generated from the exposure. I don't usually watch these shows because its too upsetting when the ones I like don't win...just like the awards shows. | ||
caliluv (caliluv) 1-Arriviste Username: caliluv Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.251.57.2 |
Last night's voting is a perfect example of why "music and the arts" classes should not be taken out of our schools. Otherwise, the children that voted wouldn't have voted LaToya off because she lacked REAL musical talent. In my opinion, Jasmine for the past month has not proven to be a star. Maybe in time. Her only strong song was her rendention of one of Natalie Cole's songs and quiet as it's kept, she really couldn't keep up with choreography good. I truly hope that the powers that be change the voting format of the show because the bottom line is, that the voting system as it is now is not fair, especially to the contests who have real talent. Never again will I tune in to watch this popularity contest. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 5-Doyen Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 335 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.62.144 |
What happened last night was a travesty-plain and simple!! | ||
Bless You (bless_you) 2-Debutant Username: bless_you Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 192.28.2.17 |
Ken, First of all, if you wish to throw shade at me, that is alright (no doubt you are salivating to do that with the shutdown of the old "bored"), BUT -- please address your thread to me, not Sue! Secondly, who are you tell me what my moniker can be, or how much of a Martha fan I am? What, I can't vote for Bush and also buy an MRV cd? Touche to your non-point. If you wish to dish, I welcome it, but also TRY to at least offer up a counter-argument along with the dish! Okay, sweetie? See, Juice and I had an intelligent exchange, because although we disagree on some things, and agree on others, we have the skill of writing out our arguments. So, don't hit and run, sweet darlin -- offer up a counter-argument, but please let's go over the SOAPBOX thread to do so! Bless You | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 753 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 56.0.96.102 |
STONEWALL!! Respectfully, that is patent BULLSHIT!!! I don't care about people of color being appointed to Cabinet positions. Their power to bring about change would be NIL. Those "people of color" have to toe the company line. If they didn't, they wouldn't be appointed. You know that & I know that. Those "people of color" that you're referring to, don't do my bidding. They're not concerned with lowly folks such as you or I. These "people of color" left our neighborhoods & sensibilties years ago. Trust me my friend,they're not trying to shake their groove things with people such as you or I. Rather than go into some long unproductive diatribe & since I'm at work, I will finish this line of thought when i arrive at home. We are cool when it comes to music. When it comes to my feeling of "people of color" in high places, you don't know me, so, please don't assume that you do! | ||
Sue (sue) 3-Pundit Username: sue Post Number: 55 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20 |
Bless You, Questioning whether someone has a legal profession is not really a productive line of argument around these parts ... | ||
Livonia Ken (livonia_ken) 2-Debutant Username: livonia_ken Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 136.1.1.33 |
Bless You. I was just funnin'. Also, I don't see where I suggested that anyone couldn't be a fan of anyone. To suggest that I was "salivating" to "throw shade" at you is a pretty interesting, if wholly paranoid interpretation of my mindset. To be honest, I'm not quite sure I remember much of your previous posting history. Regards, Ken | ||
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 2-Debutant Username: sudi_kamau Post Number: 26 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.117.198.35 |
This "balls to defend our country" lunacy is a perfect example of how intellectually and morally bankrupt Americans have become. George Bush declined to "defend" his country in one bogus war, electing instead to use political pull to hide in an Air National Guard unit, which he didn't have enough honor to show up to when he had better things to do. Now, after obtaining office through a series of illegalities that would shame a decent banana republic, he lied through his teeth to perpetrate an illegal war of conquest, throwing National Guard units into the same type of fraudulent fray from which he used his unit to hide. It is only the same kind of white supremacist mentality that produced the American Idol vote that allows people to swallow this crap. As author Robert Scheer says: "The big lie that the United Stats is merely a selfless battler against terorists, with no other agendas, opens the door for brutality against any who dare resist." White-bread America craves the big lie because of the same arrogance and hypocrisy that allows them to pretend that LaToya and Fantasia had any business being in the bottom two of a contest based on merit. The result will be that the brutality is sure to migrate from being focused on foreign "enemies" to outgroups at home and finally to white-bread America when - all too late - they realize what is going on and themselves resist. The process is already well advanced. You'd better wake up and smell the coffee. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 5-Doyen Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 336 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.62.144 |
EXCUSE ME... HELLO....BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT THE AMERICAN IDOL FIACO There is another thread called SOAP BOX designed for this kind of stuff. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 5-Doyen Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 337 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.62.144 |
That should have been FIASCO | ||
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 2-Debutant Username: sudi_kamau Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.117.198.35 |
Maybe if people spent more time concerning themselves with what the hell is going on instead of imbibing the narcotic of commercial entertainment fluff like American Idol, things wouldn't be so screwed up. | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 185 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
THANK YOU BOBBY....FOLKS...THE SOAP BOX THREAD PLEASE..... | ||
motownboy (motownboy) 1-Arriviste Username: motownboy Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 67.124.69.22 |
Once again, the American public (and I guess as a collective, that's "us") has shown great ignorance, shallowness and demonstrated not having a clue about good music. It wasn't always this way........ | ||
motownboy (motownboy) 1-Arriviste Username: motownboy Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 67.117.46.237 |
If Fantasia gets voted off next week, I think American Idol will lose it's credibility with the better informed American public - although we seem to be "outnumbered" by idiot voters. IMO, Diana DeGarmo is not as great as the judges are claiming.... I think very often when the judges see the video playback, they must be shaking their heads thinking "wow, it sounded a lot better during the broadcast." I think the judges should be wearing those in-the-ear earphones that performers wear to hear the mix clearly. | ||
motownboy (motownboy) 1-Arriviste Username: motownboy Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 67.124.69.200 |
There is an interesting factor into last night's vote that was mentioned on several news shows this morning. Hawaii gets the show on tape 6 hours after the eastern, central & mountain time zones (who show the broadcast live - simultaneously - yes it does go on a 6pm in the mountain time zone). Here on the west coast (I live just outside of the Los Angeles area), we get the show three hours delayed from the live broadcast. Three hours after it airs here on the west coast, the show airs in Hawaii. The only people voting at that time are the ones in that time zone - Hawaii !!. Their total population is probably a fraction of the total population of the live braodcast time zones and even a fraction of the west coast time zone callers. Therefore, the people in Hawaii can call in and get through more often than those of us on the mainland - and they seem to have their "favorite." | ||
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 2-Debutant Username: sudi_kamau Post Number: 29 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.117.198.35 |
The judges also have rigged perceptions. The girl from Hawaii has always been miserably out of tune, but the judges have not called attention to the fact nearly as much as it deserves. This is how the American system of doing things often works, not entirely by the harshness with which it treats the unfavored, but by the halo of unmerited credibility and leniency afforded the favored. | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 5-Doyen Username: westside314 Post Number: 359 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.216 |
American Idol is garbage. | ||
Vickie (vickie) 1-Arriviste Username: vickie Post Number: 8 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 64.236.243.31 |
Never did like that show.... Doesn't seem fair, although I do like William Hung soccking it to all of them right now.... he's no singer but her entertains me, I laugh and laugh and luagh when I see him dance and sing | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 5-Doyen Username: westside314 Post Number: 361 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.216 |
Vickie, did you see his commercial? I fell off my couch. LOL. | ||
zebop (zebop) 2-Debutant Username: zebop Post Number: 25 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
I'm not surprised with this outcome. Really AI has been asking for it this year. They've either picked great singers or one's with little or no talent, not much middle ground so nothing's really gone right. Although I'm a big Fantasia fan, I was almost sickened by the fact that LaToya got booted--after Jasmine Trias's dismal performances. I did have to laugh at Trias's facial expressions, she knows as well as she knows her name, she doesn't deserve to be there. | ||
Vickie (vickie) 1-Arriviste Username: vickie Post Number: 9 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 64.236.243.31 |
Dyva, I have not seen his commercial.. I think he's a hoot... he makes me laugh so hard....... | ||
The Chosen One (the_chosen_one) 2-Debutant Username: the_chosen_one Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.200 |
Bless You, Let's get one thing straight, what I said about George Bush wasn't meant to cause an uproar. Some of you people on here take things way too serious. I used him as an example because of the last vote that was in 2000. When you don't vote, the things you want and need may not get done or brought to attention. I wasn't trying to bash Bush, but simply use him as an EXAMPLE. The one thing I do not do is allow other people to get the best of me. There have been many times I have read where people feelings sometimes get the best of them. If you like George Bush, thats you, but I'm not going to turn an thread about American Idol about the president. Clearly we all see the difference now, and now its is up to people like us to promote or support good artist so the quality of music can remain for years to come. Waymon | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 755 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
FIRST AND FOREMOST!!!!! VONNIE!!!! I would like to apologize for my part of the diatribe. Bobby, is correct. You started a thread about American Idol & if not for certain remarks, it would have remained so. I wouldn't have said a word, but there are some things that I can't let slide without an answer. For anyone interested in revisiting the conversation, I'll be on the the other thread. VONNIE, PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY FOR MY PART OF THE CONVERSATION. I do believe that you understand where I was coming from. With that said, back to Vonnies thread. Watching AI has become the equivalent of watching a Jim Lampley called fight. Usually the fight that he sees is not the same fight that the rest of us see. What appears to be happening with AI is that the guest artists seem to be trying not to crush these aspiring singers spirits. Now, I've gone on record here as saying that LaToya was the best. With that said, she seemed to lose her way during her last few performances. When I heard all of the judges raving about how her performance of Don't Leave Me This Way was as good as the original, I almost threw up. Her performance was stilted. She was off pitch & was simply singing too hard. It was her worst performance & if you look at the tape, you'll see what I mean. Regardless of that fact, she was better than the Hawaiian girl. Frankly, I don't understand why we should be shocked by any of this. Mr Seacrest makes it a point of telling everyone to vote for their favorite, not the best, or most talented. There is a difference. I liken this to kids who hack into computers. They do it to create havoc & because they can. I believe that there are many people voting like this, just to screw things up. I can imagine them sitting back having aq ball when they read or hear about the outrage. They need to revamp their voting process, where other factors than votes are considered. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 756 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
I would liked to ask some of the varied professionals here one question: what would you do to make a show such as AI fairer? Bobby, Ralph, et.al, what fail safes would you put in place so that this type of thing never occurs again? If this were your show, how would you structure it to avoid such travesties from occurring? I'd love to hear your suggestions? This nonsense has got to stop! | ||
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 3-Pundit Username: sudi_kamau Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 172.170.94.26 |
Cancel the show and put on infomercials - that will be an improvement. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 776 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
As fo me Sudi, I nominate Ron Popeil, The Juiceman or the frenetic exercise guy who talks & acts as if he's wired on uppers. His name is Tony Littles. | ||
Soulaholic (soulaholic) 4-Laureate Username: soulaholic Post Number: 141 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.41.40.105 |
Yawn Yawn Yawn!!!! To the American Idol part of this thread only. Get for real who in that competition has the real talent to make it with out this overblown, played out pre-teen fantasy fest hyping it to the final degree!!!!!!!!!!! With out the show you would never have heard of Kelly, Ruben, Clay, or any of the other already forgotten wannabes!!!!!!!!!! Other issues on thread I respect your rights to have opinions. But don't see how they really fit the topic of the thread? (Message edited by Soulaholic on May 13, 2004) | ||
Soulaholic (soulaholic) 4-Laureate Username: soulaholic Post Number: 142 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.41.40.105 |
Take a look at how the game is really played! After reading Isaiah (The truth be told) response to Stonewall I felt I had to chime in with a little more information, rather than the spoon-fed talk radio bullshit that Rush and the boys pass out to the long repressed right wing party of this country. King Solomon said in 900 something BCE before Jesus Christ was born �There is nothing new under the sun� Ronald Regan and the US government in 1985 put this all into motion. In March 1985, President Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 166, which authorized stepped-up covert military aid to the mujahideen, and it made clear that the secret Afghan war had a new goal: to defeat Soviet troops in Afghanistan through covert action and encourage a Soviet withdrawal. The new covert U.S. assistance began with a dramatic increase in arms supplies -- a steady rise to 65,000 tons annually by 1987, ... as well as a "ceaseless stream" of CIA and Pentagon specialists who traveled to the secret headquarters of Pakistan's ISI on the main road near Rawalpindi, Pakistan. There the CIA specialists met with Pakistani intelligence officers to help plan operations for the Afghan rebels. The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) using Pakistan's military Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) played a key role in training the Mujahideen. In turn, the CIA sponsored guerrilla training was integrated with the teachings of Islam. Predominant themes were that Islam was a complete socio-political ideology, that holy Islam was being violated by the atheistic Soviet troops, and that the Islamic people of Afghanistan should reassert their independence by overthrowing the leftist Afghan regime propped up by Moscow. The end result was that with the active encouragement of the CIA and Pakistan's ISI [Inter Services Intelligence], who wanted to turn the Afghan jihad into a global war waged by all Muslim states against the Soviet Union, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 40 Islamic countries joined Afghanistan's fight between 1982 and 1992. Tens of thousands more came to study in Pakistani madrasahs. Eventually more than 100,000 foreign Muslim radicals were directly influenced by the Afghan jihad. Now add into this mix the history of the drug trade in Central Asia was intimately related to the CIA's covert operations. Prior to the Soviet-Afghan war, opium production in Afghanistan and Pakistan was directed to small regional markets. There was no local production of heroin. In this regard, Alfred McCoy's CIA study confirms that within two years of the onslaught of the CIA operation in Afghanistan, "the Pakistan-Afghanistan borderlands became the world's top heroin producer, supplying 60 percent of U.S. demand. In Pakistan, the heroin-addict population went from near zero in 1979... to 1.2 million by 1985 -- a much steeper rise than in any other nation" CIA assets again controlled this heroin trade. As the Mujahideen guerrillas seized territory inside Afghanistan, they ordered peasants to plant opium as a revolutionary tax. Across the border in Pakistan, Afghan leaders and local syndicates under the protection of Pakistan Intelligence operated hundreds of heroin laboratories. During this decade of wide-open drug-dealing, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency in Islamabad failed to instigate major seizures or arrests ... U.S. officials had refused to investigate charges of heroin dealing by its Afghan allies `because U.S. narcotics policy in Afghanistan has been subordinated to the war against Soviet influence there.' In 1995, the former CIA director of the Afghan operation, Charles Cogan, admitted the CIA had indeed sacrificed the drug war to fight the Cold War. `Our main mission was to do as much damage as possible to the Soviets. We didn't really have the resources or the time to devote to an investigation of the drug trade,'... `I don't think that we need to apologize for this. Every situation has its fallout.... There was fallout in terms of drugs, yes. But the main objective was accomplished. The Soviets left Afghanistan. The OLD COLD WAR syndrome and mindset had come out of the closet and bit the hand that had been feeding it when, Osama bin Ladin took this a step father, the al-Qaeda conspiracy targeted the US Government because the United States is an "infidel" power, governing in a manner inconsistent with al-Qaeda's interpretation of Islam and because of US support for other "infidel" governments, such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt. In addition, al-Qaeda opposed the involvement of the United States in the Gulf War in 1991, operation "Restore Hope" in Somalia in 1992-1993 and the presence of US military currently in Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Other terrorist acts against the US with Muslim extremist believed to be associated with al-Qaeda are U.S. Embassy Beirut �83�, US Marine Barracks �83�, US Embassy Kenya �83�, US Embassy Annex Beirut �84�, along with Lockerbie plane bombing, first World Trade Towers attack, two more attacks in Saudi Arabia and Kenya again in �98� and Tanzania �98� Finally, al-Qaeda opposed the United States because of the arrest, conviction, and imprisonment of persons belonging to al-Qaeda and associated groups, such as Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman. So now you know a little bit more of the real story of what the politics of the world are and how many decades it takes to play out a hand that was dealt decade ago by a group that is either dead or now longer in power. So the repercussions from today�s actions will be felt by our children and their children long after the players of today are in the nursing home or out at the country club and can�t quite remember the sh*t they stirred up in the 00�s of this century. In a cruel irony, while the Islamic jihad --featured by the Bush Administration as "a threat to America"-- is blamed for the terrorist assaults on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, these same Islamic organisations have been key instruments of US military-intelligence operations in the Balkans and the former Soviet Union. Mind you I don�t pretend to know all the answers or support some or any of the dealings the US has made, but it makes you wonder how much we really know of who, what, where and why we as a country do what we do. You can�t blame Bush or Clinton or Reagan. They all seem to be at fault with something that is bigger than them individually or collectively. The problem continues as the players are changed by the game. We as a people only get to look at the pictures; we don�t bother as a country to read the paperback condensed version never mind the novel that is called global politics at the highest level. IMHO. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 786 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Thank you very much Soulaholic. I appreciate your points, I hope that some folks get it. We've kinda carried this into the Soapbox thread. I appreciate your post! | ||
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 3-Pundit Username: sudi_kamau Post Number: 36 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 172.139.125.48 |
There's just something right about an American Idol thread being taken over by discussion of concerns about geopolitics. It shows that everybody hasn't gone completely brain dead. Soulaholic's post on some of the realities of the Mujahideen, the CIA's opium interests, etc. was good. While I think it's difficult if not impossible for ordinary citizens to completely analyze the network that the visible governmental figureheads are caught up in, I don't think it's a complete mystery. It's just that the clever label "conspiracy theory" has been devised to intimidate people from paying attention to some rather rudimentary analysis. Suffice it to say that the party-line and the official story are easilly and quickly discredited in the eyes of anyone who actually pays attention. I'm just charged to have reached pundit status. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 793 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Sudi, the funny thing is that we don't have to point out anything. Little by little, they are being forced to admit what we already know! Ironic, isn't it??? | ||
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 3-Pundit Username: sudi_kamau Post Number: 41 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.117.198.35 |
So true, Juice. | ||
Greg C. (greg_c) 2-Debutant Username: greg_c Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 166.84.225.19 |
American Idol is a farce! It's about popularity, not talent. I'm still in awe of how Ruben Studdard won last year. And did White America ever howl! Had to give a second place contestant,Clay Aiken, some play to cool them down! Gonna make sure that won't happen this year. The voting process is a sham. You can vote more than once and stack the deck in favor of the one you want to win. Turn that irrelevant garbage off and go read a book! | ||
Wonder B (wonder_b) 5-Doyen Username: wonder_b Post Number: 217 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.250.157.202 |
I didn't follow American Idol obviously because I am on the other side of the Atlantic...! BUt I was in NYC the day before yesterday and saw that program on that particular day... If Jasmine got by instead of LaToya London, then some people better get an appointment with their physician... Cos' from what I saw she was definitely off-key on the songs she sang and after listening to Latoya's performances, she (Latoya) definitely was the best of the evening for me... (while Jasmine obviously should have been given the boot!) she made sure we all got that pretty clear with her finale after being voted out... That girl radiates talent and if my unwanted french vote had counted she'd won that competition... How she took this blow of being eliminated by this obviously unjustified voting, is another example of the class that lady posesses... But we have the same program in France, and of course we have the same problems (although not about color) because the public vote is totally partial and not about talent, that's for sure... Juice I read your long post and I have to agree with you (great presentation of your point of view!) Wonder B (Message edited by Wonder B on May 15, 2004) | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 807 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Thank you Wonder B. I wish that you had a vote. I know that you know talent & you sure know music. Have you considered dual-citizenship, as A.I. needs all of the help that it can get? | ||
zaya (isaiah) 2-Debutant Username: isaiah Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
Vonnie, what's up, s-s-sista!!! Here, lately, You gittin' all radical up in this piece, I s-s-seee!!!(smile!)I knew ya had it in ya! Soulaholic, Sudi, and Juice, very delicious, heaping helpings of intellectual goodies, fellas... Right on point in your analysis... I think North Americans have gotten precisely what THEY deserve with this knuckleheaded, c-average guy in the White House... Like their president, North Americans are an extremely ignorant lot, who, as RobbK accurately pointed out in the Soapbox thread, are concerned only with their own humanity, and that only peripherally(smile!) North Americans, in large part, have never traveled abroad, and most don't know nor give a damn about their own map, much less geopolitics... That's a very tall order for a people who's own president didn't even know there were Black people living in Brazil, a country whose 90-million Blacks near triples our population here, and makes it the largest Black population outside of, ah, Nigeria! The president mirrors the mindset of too many North Americans, who, with their isolationist arrogance, cannot wrap their heads around the fact that in our silence about the cruel and malicious actions of our government, there is a large world out there that despises us... Those persons are clear about how our government controls the IMF, votes in the U.N. security council, and refuses to abide by the Geneva Convention and it's peace treatises, while condemning other governments for their so-called war crimes... That kind of arrogance is loathed and despised, and it leads to tragedies like that which occured on September 11, 2001... Terror begets terror, and democrat or republic-controlled White House is irrelevant... These folks being hit with cluster bombs and so-called "daisy cutters" which decimate their cities, towns, and utilitarian resources, as well as, their populations, don't concern themselves with democrats or republicans... But they understand that we, through our selections of those in power, give our tacit endorsement of the nasty things they do... Imagine that, even as this present war was being discussed in the media, the political pundits and experts were openly talking about the economic bootie to be divvied up among the European powers once the war was concluded...(smile!) Even more shocking was all of the talk about replacing Hussein with a "leader"(read figurehead)more to the liking of the United States??? Now, imagine hearing on Al-Jazeera, middle-eastern/western Asian leaders openly discussing the assasination of Dubya, and replacing him with a leader "more to their liking..."? What would be the response of North Americans??? Anger??? Hatred??? If you're intelligent, of course!!! But I heard my knuckleheaded countrymen and women expressing all of their shock about what would lead 19 men to give up their lives to tear down THE symbols of North American economic power in September, 2001... It was like de ja vu all over again for me... Same North Americans have never understood why African Americans took to burning down America in the 1960's - even after the Kerner Commission made it perfectly clear... If you're not in touch with the pulse of things in your own nation, then a international political analysis becomes tantamout to impossible... One last point... RobbK, you were right on it when you broke down the mentality of North Americans as per our economic self-sufficiency - but you didn't go far enough... What North Americans need to understand is that our high quality of life is directly dependent upon the low quality of life of much of the rest of the world... There are loads of books out here to explain what that means, but North Americans aren't interested in reading those books... We do know that America was once the manufacturing capital of the world, but that all of our goods are now made in China, Korea, Indonesia, Haiti, or some other far-flung place on the globe, at near slave wages... Those goods are then sold back to North Americans, and others, at fairly hefty mark-ups... North Americans don't give a damn, however, because this economic configuration places them on the top, and someone else on the bottom... The same head-in-the-sand mentality is what enables the Bush's and Cheney's to perpetrate their wars, which kill and maim folk these bastards would never invite to dinner(smile!) I love it! At least they have the good conscience not to allow y'all to see all of those caskets and maimed bodies and minds coming back from Iraq... Not to worry North Americans, because Bush will be long gone when the after-shock of crazed and violent war veterans are released into our communities, and there are no V.A. hospitals to treat their post-traumatic syndrome... Peace! Isaiah (Message edited by isaiah on May 14, 2004) | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 823 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
What's up there partner???? Good to see you! Picked up that book I told you about, deep stuff! So, you visited the soapbox??? Interesting over there, if I do say so myself. I thought that it was a great idea. And, no Bro. I'm not about to ask you what you thought about Idol. I can only imagine! I agree with your the points that you've made. I would also say I don't know why some folks don't get it, unfortunately, I do know why & that's sad! I imagine that I might catch you on the other side there. I don't think I'll be here past 11, getting a bit tired of waking up tired every morning. Looking forward to your next post Bro. We'll talk! Peace! Juice | ||
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 3-Pundit Username: sudi_kamau Post Number: 43 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 172.161.12.244 |
Well said, Isaiah. Very well said. Also, remember that we only have the word of disreputable people as to who actually perpetrated the 9-11 attacks and on whose behalf. There's been no real investigation; evidence was quickly spirited away and sold for scrap; several of the supposed hijackers were reported still living afterward. September 11 was very convenient for the Bush gang and the NWO types, and we don't REALLY know who did what. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 838 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Fellas, I really want to take this up across town, if you know what I mean. I just have something kinda interesting to post there. | ||
John Barry Sheffield (jaybs) 3-Pundit Username: jaybs Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.92.168.168 |
Vonnie, apologies first! we only got to see both shows in the UK last night! - so for the last few days I have been Cursing You!(lol) as I knew it could only mean one result! I am just lost for words after watching the video of the two shows, how America can come to that conclusion I just don't know. Unlike others I disagree so much about the talent of Diana, she is so "sickly" - I just hope if she goes on to win she never does a duo with Clay! - he looks more like Manliow every day (Yes very Sickly) Fantasia is fresh, yes! but I could never listen a full album of her, screeching like so does! - her vocal never differs for me? Juice I have to to strongly disagree with your comments about Laytoya's performance last night, less here in England we got a different one, I have bene in the music indsutry since leaving school, Radio DJ, A&R and Managment of a Boy Band a two solo singers! - I have just washed my ears out and watched the tape again, if she tried to hard! LAYTOYA LONDON was the most professional performer I have ever seen on Pop Idol noth in the UK and the USA, she is a True Lady with such Talent! - the album will come - she will get signed, no doubt! but she will be tied to 19 Managements Contract where she can't even have discussions with anyone else but Cowell and them until after the Tour! - sucks! America had big problems in the 60's and before which I am currently in study about - but in 2004 for me America still has Big Problems! John | ||
Lucy (lucy) 1-Arriviste Username: lucy Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Hi John...Hope you are well! I thought Latoya London had this thing all wrapped up. I HAVE TO ADMIT THIS IS THE WORST AMERICAN IDOL I'VE SEEN YET.I ALSO FEEL IT SHOULD BE ONE VOTE ONLY. LOOK AT HOW FAR RED GOT???? NO OFFENSE TO THE KID PERSONALLY,BUT I ACTUALLY FELT EMBARRASSED FOR THE GUY. | ||
GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl) 3-Pundit Username: gogogirl Post Number: 67 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 63.158.248.191 |
All, Hey Vonnie. I found this article interesting, indeed. http://www.broadcastingcable.c om/article/CA417981?display=To p+of+the+Week |
