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Garo (gary_james)
1-Arriviste
Username: gary_james
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 206.245.141.3
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 4:24 pm: �� |     ���  |
I'm familiar with The Funk Brothers, The Wrecking Crew in LA, and Eli and the Philly players.
What about New York City? Who were the players on New York sessions back in the 60's and 70's?
Was there a core group of regulars? Names??? |
Fred (fred)
2-Debutant
Username: fred
Post Number: 21
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 205.188.116.138
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 5:42 pm: �� | ��� |
These were the cream of the NY session players in the 60s. Apologies in advance to anyone left out.
Keyboards - Paul Griffin, Richard Tee
Guitar - Cornell Dupree, Eric Gale, Bruce Langhorne
Bass - Jerry Jemmott, Chuck Rainey, Harvey Brooks, Gordon Edwards
Drums - Herb Lovell, Bobby Gregg, Grady Tate
Percussion - Ralph McDonald
Horns - The Brecker Brothers, Lou Soloff, Blue Mitchell, Seldon Powell, Joe Shapley, Ronnie Cuber, Howard Johnson |
Eli (phillysoulman)
5-Doyen
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 278
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.236.38.208
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 5:53 pm: �� | ��� |
There was not one major section, as most producers and arrangers usually requested specific players, but heres a list of some of the major players.
Most NYC session players had a tendency toward playing "busy" so you had to be very specific about what you wanted them to play otherwise you sometimes had a 'hodgepodge' of noise.
Drums-
Bernard Purdie
Herb Lavelle
Bobby Gregg
Gary Chester
Bass-
Chuck Rainey
Gordon Edwards
Joe Macho
Guitar-
Cornell Dupree
Eric Gale
John Tropea
Vincent Bell
Sal De Troia
Trade Martin
Al Caiola
Billy Butler(not that one)
Piano-
Artie Butler
Richard Tee
Paul Griffin |
Hey (aychdub)
1-Arriviste
Username: aychdub
Post Number: 3
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 69.141.122.25
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 10:19 pm: �� | ��� |
Jerry Ragovoy, one of the kings of the 60s NYC soul session dates, in the notes to the reissue of the Howard Tate Verve CD, calls Paul Griffin one of his personal heroes.
FYI
(Message edited by aychdub on May 08, 2004) |
Robb_K (robb_k)
5-Doyen
Username: robb_k
Post Number: 186
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.81.183.45
| | Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 10:32 pm: �� | ��� |
I'm particularly interested in finding out who the regular session players were on the Richard Tee-arranged, Bateman produced sessions. |
Fred (fred)
2-Debutant
Username: fred
Post Number: 22
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 205.188.116.138
| | Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 1:17 am: �� | ��� |
Besides working steadily for Ragovoy (from Garnett Mimm's "Cry Baby" onward), Paul Griffin played on Dylan's "Like A Rolling Stone" and "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues", B. J. Thomas's "Raindrops Keep Fallin On My Head," and he's on "American Pie" and a lot of Steely Dan, too. That's his organ intro on Chuck Jackson's "Any Day Now." The man was a true master.
Aychdub, the Tate reissue is a real beaut.
Fred
(#24 of 5000)
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einnod23 (einnod23)
1-Arriviste
Username: einnod23
Post Number: 8
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 24.90.14.21
| | Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 6:45 am: �� | ��� |
Eli,
You're gonna get in trouble with that "hodgepodge of noise" comment.  |
zaya (isaiah)
2-Debutant
Username: isaiah
Post Number: 19
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 64.12.116.138
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 5:32 am: �� | ��� |
No he wont, Don... With the new edit/delete functions at this board, only Vonnie gets to challenge Eli(smile!) |
Vonnie (vonnie)
4-Laureate
Username: vonnie
Post Number: 108
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 152.163.252.200
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 8:49 am: �� | ��� |
Don and zaya,
Even with the new edit/delete functions on this board, I won't challenge Eli on the subject that he knows best(music). However, on any other subject he is fair game and my mallett is ready to Kabongg him. |
Fred (fred)
2-Debutant
Username: fred
Post Number: 23
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 152.163.252.200
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 9:41 am: �� | ��� |
Bobby,
Do you think that "hodgepodge" had anything to do with the hard bop background of so many of the players you list? |
Eli (phillysoulman)
5-Doyen
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 300
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.23.225
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 9:53 am: �� | ��� |
That could be Fred.
Ive often found in my experiences with NYC musicians, there was a tendency to overplay, unless of course every note was written out specifically how you wanted it played, plus a lot of them had superiority "attitudes". |
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
2-Debutant
Username: davie_gordon
Post Number: 30
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 213.18.222.35
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 10:01 am: �� | ��� |
What I'd like to know is who the musicians were
on Lou Courtney's Riverside tracks - Bob Bateman
produced them in New York but some of the singles
have the credit "Funk Brothers Productions".
These are all 1966 - 1967 recordings. I doubt it's
the Detroit Funks - maybe Bob Bateman just liked the name.
Davie |
Robb_K (robb_k)
5-Doyen
Username: robb_k
Post Number: 199
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.81.197.253
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 7:42 pm: �� | ��� |
I had heard from "unnoficial sources"-(not to be trusted), that Bateman had some backing tracks for some (a few?) of his 1964-66 New York productions recorded in Detroit (by The Funk Bros.)even though the vocals were added on in New York. Perhaps those with Funk Brothers Productions listed on the label, had the BG tracks recorded by The Funks in Detroit? |