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  Galactus (galactus) 2-Debutant Username: galactus Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 207.144.253.114 |
This past week, believe it or not, I finally got around to picking up something by the fab 4. I'm 38 years old......but I'm such a die hard, hardcore, soul and r&b fan, that I've never owned a Beatles CD or LP before......I know that sounds remarkable, but I was always buying Louis Armstrong or The O'Jays or Lee Perry or something over the years, and never gave the rock category much of a perusal. I went with their first LP...."Please Please Me" and found it interesting....a mix of r&b, Buddy Holly, and other stuff. I like the Beatles....but there was always something more soulful I wanted to spend money on first over the years it seems.....But so many McCartney/Lennon tunes have made their way onto many a r&b artist's recordings, that it made me curious and decided to check them out......they are undeniably influential.....Back in the day, I always thought McCartney did a nice job with some r&b flavor with Wings... Anyway....coming at the Beatles from an r&b/soul perspective like I am, any of you have any recommendations on how to approach rock's most famous group? Probably what I'm going to do is gradually buy their ablums in chronological order and follow their development.......Save greatest hits/singles packages for later......Any soulful Beatles tunes a soul fan should keep an eye out for and look into? (Message edited by galactus on April 29, 2004) | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 5-Doyen Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 354 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Galactus, as a fellow Soul/Funk?R&B lover, I will say that The Beatles were great. Their song construction & harmonies were great. I must give them their props. Their conceptual Sgt Pepper LP, changed the way that LPs were made & marketed. That LP was one of the first that had a thematic concept, as opposed to an LP constructed of previous singles & filler. Honestly, for their early stuff, I would go with their Greatest Hits. Aside from their obvious hits, some of those LP cuts are full of stuff like: Rock & Roll Music & Johnny B. Goode. As you get into their period of Revolver & Abbey Road, I would get the original LPs. The song that I recall being played the most in my neighborhood was Hey Jude. In fact, I've got a better deal for you. A friend gave me a CD that has all of those LPs on them. I don't know what program was used, but every of those LPs are on ONE CD!!! I think that there's 22 LPs on the CD. If you'd like, I can find a way to get the songs to you. That way before you spend your hard earned money, you'll know where to start. The quality is ok, so, you'll be able to make a good decision. E-mail me at juicefree@hotmail.com. Peace! Juice | ||
Larry (larry) 2-Debutant Username: larry Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.23.183.2 |
Galactus, I'll preface my comments with: Talking about music is like dancing about Architecture. That said, here's my 2 cents... If by "Greatest Hits" Juice means Apple Records release "The Beatles 62-66", then by only getting this double LP, you'll miss out on most of the early Beatles R&B/Soul (Motown) covers (that aren't on Please, Please Me) such as: Please Mr. Postman Roll Over Beethoven You Really Got A Hold On Me Money (That's What I Want) If you found "Please, Please Me" interesting, you may want to follow your initial gut and approach each record on its own. Yellow Submarine is the least 'happenin' of the bunch IMO. The rest are all classics - 'course I'm a big fat biased Mofo. Regarding soulful tracks? I never considered the Beatles a soul, RB band. They were always a Pop band and just "The Beatles" to me. "Tomorrow Never Knows" (which isn't on any Greatest Hits collection that I'm aware of, but is a seminal track) from Revolver could be considered a soul/funk song. The kick drum is pure funk. The bass line is very funky (specially for its day), everything else on top? Lennon's (and George Martin) use of loops, tape effects, studio wizardry. The Beatles were the first to take the studio beyond what anyone could imagine at the time. The Beatles were to the Recording Studio what Hendrix was to the Electric Guitar. The Beatles are still the Litmus Test to a Great Sounding Record which means (and I can't emphasize this too much) you really should listen to their later stuff (Revolver and fwd) under some quality headphones. If you're into 420,that will only enhance your experience.  As a point of reference, to own their entire commercial, studio output there are 12 LP's + another 30+ singles. The singles were released on "Past Masters" vol. I & II. Please Please Me With The Beatles A Hard Day's Night Beatle For Sale Help! Rubber Soul Revolver Sgt. Peppers White Album Yellow Submarine Abbey Road Let It Be Past Masters Vol I Past Masters Vol II | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 3-Pundit Username: douglasm Post Number: 52 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.113.12.67 |
Larry, you left out the VeeJay issued "Introducing The Beatles". I forget what it's Capitol name was, and I noticed you left out Magical Mystery Tour. That and Sgt. Peppers have not aged well IMHO. Galactus.... ....remember that both The Beatles and The Stones started out musically as r&b/soul cover bands, and this shows up in their earliest LP's. The Beatles were by far the more influential, inspiring Their Satanic Magisties Request (Stones), and especially with their influence on Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys from Good Vibrations on, not to mention the rest of the musical world. Good luck in your search. Early highlite for me, "Baby It's You", the Shirelles song on Introducing The Beatles. | ||
Larry (larry) 2-Debutant Username: larry Post Number: 28 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.3.132.249 |
Thanks Douglasm. I felt the list was short. Major faux pas. I left out Magical Mystery Tour. "Please Please Me" on Parlophone contains all the tracks (+2) that are on "Introducing the Beatles" on Veejay. You don't think Magical Mystery Tour has aged well? Side 2 Hello, Goodbye Strawberry Fields Forever Penny Lane Baby You're A Rich Man All You Need Is Love For me they're as fresh and innovative today as they ever were. Ehh...to each his own. | ||
Sue (sue) 3-Pundit Username: sue Post Number: 42 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
I always thought Magical Mystery Tour was maligned a bit too much, and Sgt. Pepper overly praised ... My favorites have to be "Revolver" "Rubber Soul" and "Abbey Road." I have a particular fondness for "Rubber Soul" because I saw them in Detroit the very month that came out I believe ...or it was shortly thereafter (Aug. '66). | ||
mhc (mcrenshaw) 1-Arriviste Username: mcrenshaw Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 204.210.140.23 |
I love the way they do the Motown covers on their second album, "With The Beatles". You can hear how much they truly love the songs, and their own energy level was at the bursting point just then, at the height of their early fame. | ||
Funk Timo (funk_timo) 1-Arriviste Username: funk_timo Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.218.79.69 |
Hi! Some recommendations: -Please Mr. Postman (from "With The Beatles") -You've Really Got A Hold On Me (from "With The Beatles") -Money (from "With The Beatles") -Roll Over Beethoven (from "With The Beatles") -Twist And Shout (from "Please Please Me") -Rock And Roll Music (from "Beatles For Sale") -Oh Darling (from "Abbey Road") -Long Tall Sally (from "Past Masters Vol.1") -Something (from "Abbey Road") -Leave My Kitten Alone (from "Anthology 1) and so many more... Funk Timo | ||
zebop (zebop) 2-Debutant Username: zebop Post Number: 14 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
I'd go with Revolver for "And Your Bird Can Sing", "For No One", the whole thing is really good. Although I don't usually like most compilations, I think they are still making 1967-1970, I always loved that album, hope I still have a copy somewhere... | ||
bluerhythmbass (bluerhythmbass) 1-Arriviste Username: bluerhythmbass Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 192.55.140.2 |
If you want a taste of what caused "Beatlemania", pick up "The Beatles Live at the BBC". It has them when they did covers of everyone from Motown to "Soldier of Love". All of it is "live" and shows why everyone went nuts over them and allowed them to become the creative force later in their career. Then listen to the later stuff and you will really appreciate them! Regards, Russ | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 3-Pundit Username: douglasm Post Number: 53 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.113.12.67 |
Larry... ...unfortunately, I tend to look at Magical Mystery Tour and Sgt. Peppers as concept LP's, although broken down into their component parts, the individual songs are excellent, but concepts are no stronger than their weakest song. For further evicence, please consult The Moody Blues. Galactus..... Everybody has made good choices, and you can't go wrong following their lead. If you want to see the versitility of the band, pick up what's called The White Album (actual title "The Beatles"). It's unfocused, very individualistic, and (to me) absolutely wonderful. doug | ||
Galactus (galactus) 2-Debutant Username: galactus Post Number: 24 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 207.144.253.114 |
Thanks one and all! I'm inclined to agree with Larry......I prefer individual albums over greatest hits packages.....except for the singles that can only be had that way ("Hey Jude" and "I wanna Hold Your Hand", for example). I enjoyed "Please, Please Me" with the covers and tracks you don't normally hear..... Thanks for the offer Juice! However.....I think I'd really like to get the CDs with the original art and liner notes and stuff......I'm just anal that way!  As for the Rolling Stones......I just don't care for their style of music or their take on blues and such. They just hold no appeal for me whatsoever. Just my opinion.....but I'd rather listen to Muddy Waters or T-Bone Walker or the real thing than to hear the Stones. The Beatles, however, seem more genuine to me and I can "feel" their music more. (Though I still prefer the Isley's original version of "Twist and Shout"!) So....do you guys think The Beatles have a place in one's collection.....when that colleciton is primarily soul/r&b, reggae and jazz?? | ||
john c (john_c) 2-Debutant Username: john_c Post Number: 14 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.2.233.107 |
Agree exactly with Sue's favorite LP's. McCartney's best bass playing was during the Rubber Soul to Sgt. Pepper years. Check out how much he took from Jamerson. Usually not mentioned but Nowhere Man is a great bass track where he seldom plays on the "one" and there are chromatics throughout, and you know where he got that from. The Anthology 2 version of And Your Bird Can Sing also has a great bass track. Plus all of Peppers. Check out McCartney's "Little Richard" impersonation in Long Tall Sally, it's my favorite vocal of his. The Beatles were a great band. The "solo with backing musician albums" (White, Let It Be) I could do without. And Ringo was a great drummer. Check out Rain. Gearge became a great writer. He's got the best songs on Abbey Road and Taxman is one of my favs. And John was an underrated guitarist. He could ROCK! They brought R&B global with their early covers. | ||
Larry (larry) 2-Debutant Username: larry Post Number: 29 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 67.101.86.83 |
Galactus, Yes, the most popular, most influential, most innovative Rock/Pop band EVER has its place in anyone's collection. Classical composers still analyze the writing skills of Lennon/McCartney. McCartney's "Michele" is in the "The Real Book" - THE Jazz collection of standards. Not a bad endorsement! What I love about the Beatles is they rarely took themselves too seriously. Their universal message was always LOVE. Their witty sense of humor (specially John Lennon) was always injected into the music. They gave back to the fans (eg. their radio appearances of Christmas greetings). They went off into their LSD tripped out phase and came out of that with songs like "Come Together" which is a Masterpiece track from "Abbey Road" pretty much a perfect record. The other thing is, the more you expose yourself to a variety of music, the more you grow inside. Charlie Parker and Duke Ellington basically said the same thing "There's 2 kinds of music, Good and Bad". I'd say expose yourself to ALL OF IT. I used to poo-poo country. Now, I'll at least try anything. Either I like it or I don't. For instance (circa '56) The Osborne Brothers "Ruby, Are you Mad"? Bluegrass, Hillbilly stuff. Smokin' Track! "Ruby..." led me to bluegrass a genre I never thought I'd dig - me an R&B, Rock, Jazz guy. So that's my long answer to whether they have a place in someone's collection. If it's true we only utilize 15% of our brains, then there's alot of space you can fill up with great music from other genre's, alot of dimension you can add to your character. Forgive me if I sound patronizing. I don't mean to. I'm just passionate. | ||
Sue (sue) 3-Pundit Username: sue Post Number: 43 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20 |
And in the end ...the love you take is equal to the love you make .... Did anyone else sit in a room listening to each Beatle take a guitar solo on that cut? That was a popular pastime at Michigan State (laugh) ... | ||
john c (john_c) 2-Debutant Username: john_c Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.2.233.107 |
Sue - I always forget the order but it doesn't matter. Everyone rocked! And a drum solo to boot. A perfect final song. (Her Majesty was originally suppose to be between Mean Mr. Mustard and Polythene Pam. Make your own CD with that order and you can see how it fits) And who associates the Beatle's and the 60's with a Moog? But there it is on Abbey Road. | ||
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 2-Debutant Username: sudi_kamau Post Number: 17 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.117.198.35 |
Galactus, I share your sentiments exactly where comparison of the Beatles and the Stones is concerned. What a loaded question though. When I was a kid, My cousin who lived with us while she went to college had the album with A Hard Day's Night on it. She left it behind when she moved out, and I played it to death while wearing some ridiculous wig my mother had and playing hobby-horse guitar. That's the extent of Beatles' records being in any record collection of mine. I liked some of the subsequent songs, but never felt compelled to buy any more records. I do usually run through Michelle when I happen upon it in the Real Book (but it seems like they didn't transcribe it quite correctly). I would answer the question: The Beatle's belong in your record collection if you want them there. There's a hip Polka band out of Jersey that I want to go out and cop personally - and that makes some guys on the gig scratch their heads. | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 114 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
Sue, Those guitar solos were all George. The various sounds he used were spliced together to make the final solo for that song. A very under-rated musician at the time. | ||
Sue (sue) 3-Pundit Username: sue Post Number: 44 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20 |
Ralph, I sort of knew that, in later years. Although a lot of what we thought was George on later cuts, was often Eric (laugh). But I have to laugh because it was sort of a stoned-out student thing, this guy would make everybody have some Spanada or Strawberry Hill, then he'd put the record on and say "Hey man listen as John, Paul then George all take guitar solos!" This is out of the mouth of the dorm stoner in nineteen seventy-something, so it's offered as that, not as serious music criticism (LOL) ... | ||
Sue (sue) 3-Pundit Username: sue Post Number: 45 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20 |
The mid to late period Beatles albums really need to be listened to as albums ... First side a, then side b... | ||
john c (john_c) 2-Debutant Username: john_c Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.2.233.107 |
Ralph, I seen several sources that agree that the solos in "The End" were by Paul, John and George. | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 115 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
John, Unless your sources include Sir George Martin, they may be wrong. I'm certain I read his account of this. However, ....I could be wrong....not the first time. Sue, I'm sure it was during this time, right or wrong, that you developed your interest in writing about music. kind of a " young hippie chick becomes respected music journalist " type scenario. Sometimes those strange roads take you to some pretty interesting places. | ||
Livonia Ken (livonia_ken) 2-Debutant Username: livonia_ken Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 136.1.1.154 |
The chronological approach that Galactus mentioned sounds fun. I would love to be able to listen to all of the Beatles albums and singles in chronological order with fairly fresh ears. I'm jealous. Regards, Ken | ||
Sue (sue) 3-Pundit Username: sue Post Number: 46 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20 |
Ralph, My interest in music writing probably progressed in that time -- I loved college because we sat around listening to music and drinking 7-11 wine a lot -- but actually I was already there as a kid; I wrote up a Dave Clark 5 press conference for my jr. high paper, as well as an essay on the Beatles show. I'd be afraid to read any of it now ...then again maybe it's better! | ||
Sue (sue) 3-Pundit Username: sue Post Number: 47 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20 |
This has got me wanting to go through all my Beatles records as well ... I have the original singles, including the Veejay and Swan, although one of my brothers wrecked a few of my early Capitol singles... One of the coolest things that I found in recent times; I came across a special edition of the White Album that I'd never played, it was in white vinyl. Thus it was pristine, never before played vinyl. I put it on and dropped the needle -- this was just a year or two ago. I couldn't believe how good it sounded...to hear that warm Beatles sound on brand new vinyl ...there's nothing like it. | ||
Steve (steve_litos) 1-Arriviste Username: steve_litos Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.100.86.4 |
Hey Guys & Gals, The order of the guitar solo(s) are Paul first, then George, & then John. Keep repeating this order until only the piano chords are heard. According to the Beatles Sessions, Eric Clapton plays only on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps". All other guitar parts on all Beatles recordings were played by either George, John, Paul, or a combination of a couple of those Beatles (i.e. the And Your Bird Can Sing harmony parts). Galactus - I think Paul McCartney is his most soulful on "She's A Woman", "I'm Down", "Oh Darling", "Golden Slumbers" (It's a great vocal), & the live Wings version of "Maybe I'm Amazed". John Lennon - Most soulful on "You Can't Do That" (In his own words "A Wilson Picket knockoff"), "Sexy Sadie", "Anna", "I Want You (She's So Heavy)", "All I've Got To Do", & "Tell Me Why". Actually 1963-64 was a very "tunesmith" era for John...lots of well written pop songs. Too many to list. George - Not much of a singer compared to John or Paul - he became a better writer & more confident singer as he got older. Soulful songs - "Something", "My Sweet Lord", "All Things Must Pass", & "Awaiting On You All". | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 116 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
Sue, Your early school writings may lack some polish if you go back and look at them, but then I was playing polkas on an accordion when I was first getting started. | ||
john c (john_c) 2-Debutant Username: john_c Post Number: 17 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.2.233.107 |
One thing nice about the Beatles catalogue is you can get all the originally released material without overlap by buying the original albums (British released versions) and Past Masters I and II. The Past Masters CD's fill in the single and EP releases. You even get both versions of Love Me Do. | ||
John Lester (theboyfromxtown) 2-Debutant Username: theboyfromxtown Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.44.166.21 |
I find this thread really interesting. Of course, us Brits listened to the tracks on the radio ALL the time to the point that some of the tracks you miss out, you must forgive us but we knew them like 45's..tracks like Chains Misery There's A Place Little Child PS I Love You I'll Get You Hold Me Tight (I LOVED this one!) All My Loving It Won't Be Long Till There Was You I Wanna Be Your Man I aint even got to Hard Days Night LP yet!! I really loved the Beatles....it was a bit hard not to like something by them. But what was special about these guys is that when you read interviews, they would talk about Motown acts. Paul, in particular, would always mention James Jamerson and Benny Benjamin | ||
lenny (lennytone) 3-Pundit Username: lennytone Post Number: 31 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.241.87.19 |
I'm not a Beatles fan: 1) In general, I think that bands that cover R&B hits do not help, but rather hurt the original artists in the long run. I have an employee who has never heard "Twist & Shout" by anyone besides the Beatles. The Rolling Stones (who I never liked) all but destroyed the careers of Irma Thomas and The Valentinos. (There are some exceptions to the "rule", of course.) 2) In the culture war for the soul of this country, moral degradation certainly can't be blamed on any one thing. But the Beatles bear a lion's share of the blame and shame for turning an entire generation to drug use and eastern religion. 3) That said, Lennon & McCartney were OK songwriters. I thought that "Eight Days A Week" had a soul sound, and WWRL agreed, apparently; I can't think of another Beatles song they played. "Here, There & Everywhere" could have written by Smokey, it's that good. And "Yellow Submarine" was an enjoyable cartoon. I don't agree that "ALL We Need Is Love". Without God we have nothing, although Lennon imagined a "perfect" world without One. | ||
Sue (sue) 3-Pundit Username: sue Post Number: 48 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Yes Lenny, Many of us defend freedom FROM religion as much as freedom OF religion. The idea that there is only one way, or that people who have different belief systems are somehow wrong, is to me particularly troubling. | ||
Sue (sue) 3-Pundit Username: sue Post Number: 49 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
I find it hard to believe anyone would be against more love in the world! | ||
Larry (larry) 3-Pundit Username: larry Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.23.183.2 |
I believe when Lennon spoke of "no religion" he meant, imagine a world without (organized) religion which literally millions upon millions of people have been killed in the name of. This killing and persecution continues to this day - all in the name of G-d. That's what Lennon meant. I disagree with point 1) covering a band is an homage in every way. It draws attn to the writer of the song you're covering. Sells them more units. 2) Regarding drugs you have a point. But Louis Armstrong was a Pothead. Bird and others did heroin. On the otherhand, G-d knows where this country would be (like it can get any more anal and uptight than it is?) if it weren't for mind-expanding drugs and eastern philosophy. Just my opinion Lenny. | ||
lenny (lennytone) 3-Pundit Username: lennytone Post Number: 32 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.241.87.19 |
I LOVE love. God IS love. I didn't mention His name. We do need "More Love". Where the Beatles song is subversive is its assertion that ALL we need is love. The apostle Paul said that without love we have nothing. Clyde McPhatter sang a song about that. But we need God. Our schools have been a mess since we kicked Him out. The constitution guarantees freedom OF religion. If you are for freedom FROM religion, you can try to change the Constitution, I guess. | ||
lenny (lennytone) 3-Pundit Username: lennytone Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.241.87.19 |
Larry, I don't think we can know dogmatically what Lennon meant in his heart. However, he was "imagining" no Heaven, which to me is pretty sad. And it's become popular to "imagine" no Hell. We humans do not like to admit that we are helpless sinners in need of a savior. We'd rather think 'I'm OK, you're OK'. We humans are an arrogant and prideful people. Imho, we'd better imagine Hell and find the way to avoid going there. | ||
Larry (larry) 3-Pundit Username: larry Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.23.183.2 |
Lenny, I appreciate your passion and sincerity. I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It's just that the translations have gone wrong. -John Lennon All we are saying is give peace a chance. -John Lennon And so this is Xmas for black and for white, for yellow and red, let's stop all the fight. -John Lennon The thing the sixties did was to show us the possibilities and the responsibility that we all had. It wasn't the answer. It just gave us a glimpse of the possibility. -John Lennon | ||
Sue (sue) 3-Pundit Username: sue Post Number: 50 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
I think what draws us together on this forum is a love of music, not a love of religion. I really think religious disagreements belong elsewhere. Nobody "has" to have G-d. Some very fine people believe in G-d, some very fine people don't. Ethics, morality and love can exist in religion, or out of it. As Larry points out, much bad has been done in the name of religion as well. We seemed to have more tolerance in past decades, in the U.S., for a secular society, with people keeping their religious beliefs at home or at their place of worship. Can we do that here? | ||
lenny (lennytone) 3-Pundit Username: lennytone Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.241.87.179 |
Gee, Sue, I am also on this list because of my love of music, specifically soul, R&B, gospel & jazz music. No need to get all self-righteous on me. I never said you had to love God. I knew I'd touch a nerve with some people by criticizing the Beatles and John Lennon, who are idolized to the point of worship. Some of the Beatles music had a "spiritual" component to it. In fact, all of life does. I don't believe that it's possible or desirable to completely hide one's deeply held beliefs in a box, at home or under a rock. I don't pretend to think that everyone on this forum worships the same way. I do respect the right of every person to be able to give their opinion on any relevant subject. You ask me to leave my God at home. Can you leave your secular humanism at home? I wouldn't think of asking you to. | ||
john c (john_c) 2-Debutant Username: john_c Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.73.9.223 |
Ralph and Sue - Getting back to the relatively unimportant issue of the the guitar solos in "The End" - From the Beatles Anthology : Paul: In "The End" there were three guitar solos where John, George and I took a line each, which was something we'd never done before. Ringo: There's the guitar section where the three of them take in the solos, and they thought, "We'll have a drum solo as well." McCarney, Harrison and Lennon take turns on lead guitar, in that order according to Guitar Player November 1987 issue and book Beatles Forever (1978). This agrees with Steve Litos comment above. | ||
Larry (larry) 3-Pundit Username: larry Post Number: 36 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 67.101.111.239 |
Lenny, Sue�s point is well taken. This forum is about music. Up until your first post we were talking (not worshipping mind you) about music. You started off abrasively attempting to harpoon the passions of a few people. Later you showed more disrespect by using a dogmatic self-righteous (your words) accusation of Idol Worship. This begs the question: who made you Moses? Calling it how I see it, I�d say you�re an offensive, self-righteous contradictory dude standing on a soapbox, trying hard not to be too superior, yet you can't help but create trouble. I don't say stir up trouble because that would imply there was a problem here prior to your entry. You could�ve just moved on to the next thread instead of deciding to piss on this one. | ||
Phil (phil) 3-Pundit Username: phil Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 212.129.36.197 |
Peace, guys, and just listen to your records (Soul music, no Beatles !) :o) | ||
Sue (sue) 3-Pundit Username: sue Post Number: 51 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
John C, Hey, I'm psyched that the guy in my dorm was right ...I'm going to go dig up "The End" and enjoy it again. It's a very cool guitar "duel," even if I can't find any Spanada or Boone's Farm to sip while listening... | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 118 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
John c, Well I'll be darned. The things I finally learn never cease to amaze me. Sue, apparently your dorm game was right on the money. Guys, as far as the religious debate, I'm sure it's a no win situation. I have no intentions of stopping such a conversation, but I think we all realize this is a subject that can cause a lot of personal inflamation. Perhaps it's best we stick to the music. | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 3-Pundit Username: douglasm Post Number: 59 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.113.12.67 |
Sue... ....$10 an ounce dope might help, too. You want to go to Mother's after you're done? I remember when WKNR-FM previewed the White Album before it's original release. A dozen or so of us gathered in Vuolo's apartment (all hail Newton Manor), reel machines at the ready. Splendid anticipation (and some beer). Here it comes. Then a string of words unrepeatable here when it was previewed with a beep tone through it. doug | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 120 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
They knew how to thwart " downloading " in those days huh Doug? Don't Bogart that joint my friend........ | ||
lenny (lennytone) 3-Pundit Username: lennytone Post Number: 38 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.241.87.19 |
Thanks, Phil. You're right, Ralph, that arguing religion is a no-win thing. The subject of Beatles came up, I have a strong opinion on that; and I gave it. In no way do I come onto a board or forum with the intent of "creating trouble". Everybody got enough trouble already. Anyway,it's not "religion" I'm defending, hell yeah, religion has killed a lot of people. But I do like to tell people about my Jesus; guilty as charged there. Sorry for causing offense. -Moses, er I mean Lenny | ||
Larry (larry) 3-Pundit Username: larry Post Number: 37 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 67.101.87.73 |
Phil, One could argue there'd be no Beatles without soul music. Lenny, Forgive me for 'goin' off'. Signed, a believer | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 3-Pundit Username: douglasm Post Number: 65 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.113.12.67 |
Well, there would be, but they then would be called Herman's Hermits..... | ||
bluerhythmbass (bluerhythmbass) 1-Arriviste Username: bluerhythmbass Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 192.55.140.2 |
I haven't posted in a while and had to comment after reading the heated discussions about the Beatles and their songs. I found this post interesting because I read an interview many years ago where John Lennon said that when he wrote a song, he wanted people to react to it, good, bad or indifferent. Look at what he's done to spark all of your discussions and debates over their songs! | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 3-Pundit Username: stonewall Post Number: 43 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.26.43 |
BERRY GORDY, Jr. & MOTOWN sho 'nuff appreciated THE BEATLES. Almost every Motown artist did a Beatles song, some as "Top Ten" hit singles such as STEVIE WONDER's "We Can Work It Out". And, the entire British songs tribute album by DIANA ROSS & THE SUPREMES: "A Little Bit Of Liverpool", including several songs of The Beatles. In The U.K., by the way, the album was appropriately retitled to "With Love From Us To U". Also, MARY WELLS, after she left Motown, had an all-Beatles album entitled: "Love Songs To The Beatles". Who was The Beatles favorite female soul singer? That's right, Miss Mary Wells. Who was their favorite girl group? Wrong U probably are! It was THE RONETTES. | ||
GOAT (goat) 3-Pundit Username: goat Post Number: 61 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.228.144.159 |
The Beatles loved MoTown and Motown loved the Beatles. I think that's great. Both wrote unforgettable tunes, catchy lyrics and melodies. No wonder they are classics that stick in your head. Anyone can sing them regardless of talent. | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 4-Laureate Username: ~medusa Post Number: 82 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.79.89.52 |
Stonewall, I knew the answer because George Harrison dated Estelle Bennett of the Ronnettes, at one time. | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 5-Doyen Username: stonewall Post Number: 281 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.10.142 |
Allrite, Miss Medusa, U and I are not kidding. And, the late GH had great taste! It's good that my post to all on the subject of THE BEATLES and THE RONETTES said to all that their guess is "probably" wrong. As the song goes, besides me, U are "the exception to the rule". Most people (90%+ or more) believe that THE SUPREMES were the #1 favourite girl group of The Beatles. WE know better -- now everyone who reads this will, too. |
