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  DyvaNaye (westside314) 5-Doyen Username: westside314 Post Number: 239 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.212 |
Since the Chancellor of Soul put up the thread Blue Eyed Soul...I started thinking about African American/Carribean/Latino artists who sound 'white'... The few that come to mind for me are... Fifth Dimension Dionne Warwick Johnny Nash (some songs) Tony Orlando-Dawn Dobie Grey any more, sdf? (Message edited by westside314 on April 28, 2004) | ||
Chancellor of Soul (harlem_144) 4-Laureate Username: harlem_144 Post Number: 76 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.207.40.18 |
Hey Dyva ! The Friends Of Distinction Free Movement More lata' Mike Boone (Chancellor of Soul) chancellorofsoul.com | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 5-Doyen Username: westside314 Post Number: 240 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.212 |
Hey Chancellor, Chambers Brothers Santana - and Carlos 'solo' Pablo Cruise Santa Esmerelda Malo (Message edited by westside314 on April 28, 2004) | ||
john dixon (john_dixon) 3-Pundit Username: john_dixon Post Number: 42 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Arthur Lee | ||
Chancellor of Soul (harlem_144) 4-Laureate Username: harlem_144 Post Number: 78 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.78.189.114 |
Malo The Rhinos (They recorded the Better Times LP) Sergio Mendes & Brazil 66' | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 5-Doyen Username: westside314 Post Number: 243 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.212 |
Donna Summer | ||
Manny (manny) 2-Debutant Username: manny Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.124.12.57 |
Hey DyvaNaye and all! This sounds to me some "pop": -Johnny Mathis (except his Tom Bell's produced albums) -Friends Of Distinction Peace | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 219 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.73.160.101 |
Dionne Warwick (unlike her soul-sounding sister Deedee). Lena Horne Diahann Carroll Barbara McNair Billy Eckstein Nat King Cole Jesse Belvin Tommy Edwards Brook Benton Johnny Mathis Johnny Hartman Jimmy Scott Mel Carter Lenny Welch Jackie Wilson The Domonoes and many 1950's groups & soloists!! Example of groups from the 60's: The Toys, 5th. Dimension, 'group'that sang "I Hear A Symphony", The Supremes and so on....... The list goes on & on.......and some names can be misleading so let me explain: I suppose you can say that about any pop artist or jazz standard balladeer, though I'm NOT neccesarily speaking about "singing from the soul" but rather clear enunciation & diction in their sound rather than in their feeling in alot of cases. Follow? S.S. | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Fifth Dimension Friends Of Distinction Billy Eckstine Johnny Mathis Sarah Vaughan Sammy Davis Jr Billy Daniels Reggie Alexander (Sport Records artist) Damita Jo (the ORIGINAL Damita Jo!) Jackie Wilson Patti Austin Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 2-Debutant Username: sudi_kamau Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.117.198.35 |
The afore mentioned enunciation and diction thing makes this a topic I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. The commercial history of music in America, cultural and social conditioning, and the general issue of stereotypes conspire to make this one trickier than meets the eye. | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 5-Doyen Username: westside314 Post Number: 245 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.212 |
Soul Sister : Hi! I mean like when I would listen to a radio I would say 'That's a Black person singing that?' They sound like a white person...and yes enunciation has something to do with it and sound...who wrote the music? etc...etc... No Harm no foul... | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 221 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.73.160.101 |
Hi DyvaNaye; You get where I'm coming from, its simply how the song was sung and thats the way we hear it period. The music to our ears. And you are correct about the type of song too. Eddie Levet talked about "Wildflower" in the O'Jays' live concert, saying when he first heard the song he thought is was a white cat trying to do a black thing, then he found out it was a black cat trying to do a white thing. (?) He couldn't tell. Thanks girlfriend for your input. S.S. Hi SudiKamau; I think you were going someplace deeper than just hearing the song, thats NOT where I was heading, thats a WHOLE other topic. Thats a good topic for Isaiah  ! I wouldn't touch that one either, for I have not the time or the energy right now. S.S. | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 90 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Soul Sister: The singer Eddie Levert was referring to was Donny Gerard, the lead singer of the group Skylark (Donny is bi-racial). Founded in Vancouver BC by Gerard & keyboardist (and future record producer) David Foster, Skylark was the group that originally recorded "Wildflower" in 1972 & it was released on Captiol Records (#9 Pop). They were managed by Rochester NY-based radio personality Ferdinand J. Smith III (who was one of my mentors in the broadcasing biz). After "Wildflower" hit, groups from the O'Jays to New Birth cut versions of the song. Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 225 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.73.160.101 |
Hi Kev-Go; Thanks for the added history lesson. I thought Eddie was talking about the lead singer of New Birth. He does a kick-azz version but I also dig Eddie's live version too!! S.S. | ||
roger (roger) 3-Pundit Username: roger Post Number: 38 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.35.87.17 |
Hello Everyone. I would like to mention CARRIE LUCAS, of "Gotta Keep Dancing"/"Hello Stranger"/"Street Corner Symphony" fame. I used to buy her singles in the late '70s .. on the Solar and Soul Train labels. At the time I was convinced that she was white (or possibly latino), as in the photos I had seen of her she looked quite light skinned. And vocally, to me, she sounded "white". So you can imagine my surprise when a year or so back I bought an anthology C.D. of her Solar/Soul Train material and the booklet notes stated that she was the sister of legendary L.A. session musician GREG PHILLINGAINS!! Now I have Greg's "Significant Gains" L.P. and it has a picture of him on the front and he has very obvious black-African features!! It was at this time that I realised my mistake. Roger | ||
Nosey (nosey) 3-Pundit Username: nosey Post Number: 43 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.153.113.238 |
Speaking of sounding like other ethnic groups, I noticed that most Causcasian singers don't squall like many Black singers, especially the old soul singers of yore. I can only remember a singer of Teena Marie's ilk squalling. Is it because in theory it's incorrect to strain ones vocal chords in that manner? Any input on this phenom? | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 242 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.73.160.101 |
roger; Small world! The great Greg Phillanges played the "Rain Forest" gig at Carnegie Hall behind Jimmy. Greg gave me his card and would love to work with Jimmy, he was a real sweet guy too, very nice person, wonderful piano player that didn't mind my coaching on how to play for Jimmy as this was his first experience working behind Jimmy(smile). S.S. | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 5-Doyen Username: westside314 Post Number: 281 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.211 |
The Hestitations - Born Free | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 494 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Now Lady Dyva, surely you're kidding with The Hesitations, right??? One of my uncles was the type of Black man who wasn't into the "screaming N----" type of music. This Black man damn near lost his mind when he heard the Gopspelizing of Born Free by The Hesitations. He was so used to the original movie theme by Roger Williams. Dyva, I've gotta tell you, when they got to the vamp & started singing "Born Free, Hallelujah, Hallelujah", he damn near had a heart attack. This man actually forbade his kids to play this song in his house. As an 8 year old, I thought that he was just kinda nuts. I guess that he felt that they were mocking the Lord, I don't know. (Message edited by Juicefree20 on May 03, 2004) | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 5-Doyen Username: westside314 Post Number: 294 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.198 |
Yes I said the Hesitations...lol...Juice, look at the thread I sent to the Chancellor 'A question for the Chancellor of Soul' and he talks abouthe group. So there. I like them too. Just cause 'daddy' tramatized ya'll...lol... | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 3-Pundit Username: stonewall Post Number: 31 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.26.43 |
Hello! "Brown-Eyed Pop"? C'mon. The answer is on the front page of today's papers -- and on all the television news and entertainment shows, too! Oh, Soulful Detroit Boarders, what's up with ya'all? Think "pop". We know the answer, it's so easy and obvious that even children know the answer to this gloved ONE: MICHAEL JAXSON -- "THE (Brown-Eyed) KING of POP" | ||
sideburnslim (sideburnslim) 3-Pundit Username: sideburnslim Post Number: 43 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.41.175.175 |
How about Diana Ross? | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 3-Pundit Username: stonewall Post Number: 37 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.26.43 |
Yes, MICHAEL JAX' idol and inspiratiion, Diva DIANA, more than qualifies. Likewise, THE SUPREMES. P.S. Whoever mentioned DIONNE WARWICK had a viable choice once upon a time until she blew it big time with that kinda shady (the authorities described it in stronger, legal terms) "Psychic Friends Network". | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 395 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.147.99 |
Stonewall; You just keep me LMAO big time!! S.S. | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 3-Pundit Username: stonewall Post Number: 41 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.26.43 |
Allllrite, Bold -- but not Cold -- Soul Sister! By the way, your line above sounds like a new song: "You Just Keep Me Laughin' On". Whoooaoooh! Now, let's see, who might be great to do that song? Maybe their come back, reunion song? And, S.S., when Miss WAR-ick sang "That's What Friends Are For", it was not refering to the traditional "friends" -- it was the pay, pay, pay network of "friends". So sad. Oh, and that pruned Greek woman with the bleached blonde hair that was always in the t.v. ads with her. "This is my closest friend, DIONNE". Yeah, we see! Thank God the rip-off network was finally busted! What a damn shame undermining her own previously great musical career. D.W. knows that "A House Is Not A Home" and, if she forgot, she can buy the new "Joined Together" deluxe c.d. and hear DIANA! sing it -- backed up by THE SUPREMES and THE TEMPTATIONS. Alllllrite! P.S. I sent your regards to Spookie and told it to get back on the board -- or else! He's preoccupied with that little website of his. He hates when I call it "little", but it is! "Es muy pequeno." (Message edited by Stonewall on May 04, 2004) | ||
LoveChild (lovechild) 1-Arriviste Username: lovechild Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.42.40.145 |
OMG Stoney where have you been......i kinda-sorta missed you. ;) | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 3-Pundit Username: stonewall Post Number: 44 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.26.43 |
Oh, Dahling, Luv Chile.... ooops, I mean MISTER MAN LOVE CHILD. I've seen your posts here and there. I know U picked M.R.V. as favorite to see on "M-45", for example. Great choice! Just where are U calling home, dear? Personally, I believe in loyalty to one team. S.D.F. really is the most real and based on fact not fiction. Moreover, it is not stupid with postings like: FLO -- not DIANA -- should have been cast as BILLIE HOLIDAY in "Lady Sings The Blues". Or, TATA VEGA is the all-time best Motown artist. Or, "Buttered Popcorn" with Flo on lead was the best SUPREMES song (where's the vomit bag?). Or SCHERRIE, MARY and SUSAYE were better than DIANA, MARI and CINDY. If someone said CANDY & THE KISSES were, they'd have a better case. Anyway, that nightmare non-sense is not served at this table. So, I sorta/kinda/maybe missed U, too, except I've seen your posts so how could I miss U? Oh, and another quip: "GLADYS -- not Diana -- should have been cast as Dorothy in "The Wiz" (I assume they meant HORTON). Plus, S.D.F. is run really well by a very able and sensible staff -- not by a wannabe kindergarten teacher, that every time the building gets unique or colorful, she knocks down all the kiddies' building blocks. I build mine to last! I hope to see U here more and more. Oh, and, "Bless You". | ||
lenny (lennytone) 3-Pundit Username: lennytone Post Number: 41 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.241.87.19 |
I think nobody mentioned Gene McDaniels yet. I remember being surprised that he wasn't white. I used to hate "A Hundred Pounds of Clay" back then but time has mellowed me, I love it now!!! Of all his early singles, the one I've always loved is "It's A Lonely Town"...so GREAT. After his string of pop hits ended, he was re-imaged as "The Right (or was it left?) Reverend Eugene McDaniels" and did not sound white anymore. Another very cool pop star was BILLY STORM! I don't think he sounded white on "This Is The Night" by his group The Valiants, but later on when he was on Columbia and recorded stuff like "I've Come Of Age"; love that one forever! How about those country/western "dudes", Charley Pride, Otis Williams, or Big Al Downing (who did the rockabilly classic "Down On The Farm")? Otis Williams was so refined that even when he was the lead of the R&B group the Charms, some of his records sounded like the white cover versions of black hits! To me, anyhow. (He did "Hearts of Stone, Ling Ting Tong, Two Hearts, Ivory Tower, etc.) | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 3-Pundit Username: stonewall Post Number: 58 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.95.154 |
Attention: DyvaNaye & NYC Diva If U two galz can choose your favorite "Brown-Eyed Pop" artists, then how come U both punked out on simply choosing: "What artist are U most looking to see on M-45"? I don't do U that way and write: "Oh, there's too many to choose from". Besides, my contest has only 16 choices and they are easy printed choices; yours has over 100 without any list anywhere. To wit, mine is much easier. I'd like U both to go back to the "Countdown to MOTOWN 45" file and make ONE choice each. That's part of the process of "choosing" and with actively participating. Thanx in advance. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 543 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 56.0.96.102 |
How did everyon miss Tony Williams of The Platters, Bill Kenney of The Ink Spots & The Mills Brothers? | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 5-Doyen Username: westside314 Post Number: 304 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.211 |
We did not miss...it was up to you to put it there...lol... You might as well say the Mills Brothers and Platters too... | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 5-Doyen Username: westside314 Post Number: 305 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.211 |
Stonewall...I stand to correct you Bruh...I did post...read again...ill meet you there... | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 4-Laureate Username: robb_k Post Number: 157 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 204.108.65.10 |
Yes, how could we have waited so long to list Gene McDaniels, the epitome of the pop sound. Also, it should be noted that both Bill Kenny and Tony Williams also sang songs soulfully. That is especially true for Williams with The Platters when they recorded for Federal. Bill Kenny and The Ink Spots also sang more soulfully on songs they recorded for a 39c budget label (I think it was Tops). | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 4-Laureate Username: stonewall Post Number: 74 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.95.154 |
Yo, Miss Diva Naye, I went there as in your invitation "I'll Take U There" and U know what? U weren't there -- both ways. Besides, U sit corrected. U previously went to the "Countdown to MOTOWN" (notice how it rhymes) but U asked about the J-Boyz. U know how U can ask someone a question and they answer with another question? No doubt U didn't intend to but U did! "U didn't have to thank me but U did" -- I mean, will. Anyone can go look and see that neither of our self-proclaimed divas voted yet for favorite M-45 artist. I've now also added a "Tips for the M-45 Show Evening" -- including supper party ideas. Check it out. I'll meet U there! P.S. Your quick retort line above to Juicey is funny, though I doubt he'll think so. By the way, however, why did U then repeat THE MILLS BROTHERS and THE PLATTERS that JF already mentioned as having been omitted? | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 549 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
What's up Robb! I hear you regarding Tony Willaims & Bill Kenney. However, many of us have not heard those sides. Unfortunately, we know their hits & those, unfortunately weren't very soulful in the classic sense. | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 4-Laureate Username: stonewall Post Number: 75 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.95.154 |
"I Can't Believe It's Not Butta". Ironically, Juice and I must have been posting at the exact same time on the same file. I beat him by seconds! Amen go rite there. Yet, his registering superceded mine on the main menu. I was trying to figue out where did my menu listing go? When I returned here to the scene of the crime, I found out what happened: The Juice Man dranketh. Ironic, too, I had just mentioned him as a "p.s." in my post. These little ironies also add to keeping the board interesting and with some surprises. P.S. Now I will be on the main menu as "last poster" for this file. Watchout! | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 4-Laureate Username: robb_k Post Number: 160 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.201.207 |
Yeah, Juice,-The Platters' first version of "Only You" was a great "greasy" Doo Wop record, which was sung very soulfully. That recording is what got Mercury to pick them up. Too bad they "polished" their style to go cross-market, and watered it down. Also, their "Tell The World" on Federal Records was similarly great. They also sang jump blues cuts like: "Voo Vee Ah Bee" and "Maggie Doesn't Work Here Any More", that might surprise you. Unfortunately, they only "let themselves go-naturally" on a few cuts for Mercury, like "Bark, Battle & Ball". | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 4-Laureate Username: stonewall Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.48.160 |
MICHAEL JAXSON: Although not brown-skinned anymore, MJ qualifies as he still has brown eyes as in "Brown-Eyed Pop". And, as I posted way up the ladder, MJ is the "King of Pop". Pay homage to the king! Or the prince! Or the.... |
