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  Chancellor of Soul (harlem_144) 4-Laureate Username: harlem_144 Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.207.40.18 |
Hey SDer's .....I know we had this thread before but just for a musical memory refreshment let's list our favorite blue-eyed soul brothers and sisters !!! Peace, Mike Boone (Chancellor of Soul) chancellorofsoul.com | ||
john dixon (john_dixon) 3-Pundit Username: john_dixon Post Number: 39 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.166 |
Eddie Hinton (beat you to it Barry!) the Rascals The Righteous Brothers Daryl Hall | ||
john dixon (john_dixon) 3-Pundit Username: john_dixon Post Number: 40 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.166 |
Laura Nyro Charlie Rich | ||
dvdmike (dvdmike) 3-Pundit Username: dvdmike Post Number: 38 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.253.218.1 |
The Soul Survivors The Rascals Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 206 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.73.160.101 |
Timi Yuro Janis Joplin Teena Marie Billy Vera Dr. John Magnificent Men KC & The Sunshine Band The Vancouvers (mixed group) Patti & Tuck (mixed duo) ala Billy Vera & Judy Clay. Someone mention The Righteous Brothers but how about their "solo" efforts Bobby Hatfeild & Bill Medley. S.S. | ||
zebop (zebop) 2-Debutant Username: zebop Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Average White Band | ||
Wonder B (wonder_b) 4-Laureate Username: wonder_b Post Number: 109 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.248.163.122 |
Yes Hamish Stuart has one of the best voices in the biz... Boz Scaggs also has some chops, as well as Robert Palmer (R.I.P) or Tony Joe White (whom Tina Turner believed he was black before meeting him... LOL) Wonder B If you mess with the 'fro, you gotta go! | ||
Manny (manny) 2-Debutant Username: manny Post Number: 14 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.124.11.104 |
Hello to all, soulful folks! Hi, Mister Chancellor of Soul, This is some of my faves: Soul Survivors Simply Red Laura Nyro Beth Hirsh Rod Stewart Mike Kennedy (from Los Bravos) Bruce Channel The Marcels (mixed group) Biddu Peace and Soul Food (And Terry Toon's lover Soul Sister, as says "S�per Rat�n" �Don't forget supermineralize and supervitamine you!�, smile!) | ||
Kev-Lo (7273747576) 3-Pundit Username: 7273747576 Post Number: 45 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.184.156.144 |
Hi this is Kev-Lo what's up Chancellor My Favorite blue eyed soul Groups were Average White Band Magnificient Men Rare Earth | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 5-Doyen Username: westside314 Post Number: 233 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.166 |
Kev Lo - Im with you on the Magnificent Men...hot to trot! Daryl Hall/John Oates AWB Tears For Fears Rolling Stones Rod Stewart Teena Marie Elvis Presley Roy Head Dan Hartmann Dusty Springfield Kim Carne to name a few...be back... | ||
Stranger56 (stranger56) 2-Debutant Username: stranger56 Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.186.184.6 |
John Stevens I'M KIDDING!! I'M KIDDING!! Jim | ||
Rodmann (rodmann) 4-Laureate Username: rodmann Post Number: 102 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.221.46.129 |
Here are some of my favorite "Blue-Eyed Soul" artists: TEENA MARIE - This woman has given us so many Soul classics that it's impossible to name them all. I hope her new album is a huge success and she gains a whole legion of new, young fans. BILLY VERA - He recorded some great duets with Judy Clay on Atlantic. My favorite is 'Country Girl - City Man'. BONNIE BRAMLETT - Bonnie had some good tunes with her husband Delaney and by herself including 'That's What My Man Is For' the original and best IMO recording of 'Groupie (Superstar) that she wrote, 'Crazy Bout My Baby' (with AWB) and an excellent remake of Jerry Butler's classic 'Never Gonna Give You Up' performed as a duet with Dobie Gray . She's also the only white Ikette that I know about. GAYLE McCORMIK (of Smith) - Gayle had some really soulful records with the group Smith. My favorites are her remakes of 'Baby It's You' and 'I Just Wanna Make Love To You'. She was also pretty hot! LOL. I'd like to find out what her early 70's solo albums sound like one of these days. SAMANTHA SANG - It's a shame that this very talented singer is only known for the song 'Emotion' (a great song that was ruined by Destiny's Child!) performed with the Bee Gees. She was an excellent singer and had so many other great songs. My favorites by her besides "Emotion' are 'You Made Me What I Am', 'I Can Still Remember', 'You Keep Me Dancing', her remake of The Moments' 'I Don't Wanna Go' and one of the best damn remakes of 'La La Means I Love You' that I've ever heard! I swear, if you didn't know any better while listening to her you'd think that it was The Emotions singing! BOBBY ELI - Bobby, I don't know if your eyes are blue but you've been involved in some of the finest Soul recordings ever put on wax! (Too many classics to choose from.) I couldn't post to this topic without giving you your props.  | ||
Brian T. (mrclemma) 2-Debutant Username: mrclemma Post Number: 14 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.164.145.198 |
As usual, I'm biased towards Michigan, so here goes: Mitch Ryder Scott Morgan Dave Edwards I know I'm forgetting someone. I'll go home and sleep on it. | ||
Richard Felstead (felstead2001) 2-Debutant Username: felstead2001 Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 128.40.91.183 |
We've all sung the praises of Michael McDonald before, but I have to tell you all to watch out for the remix of I Heard It Through The Grapevine, from his motown cd. If you can imagine the vocals and just the strings from Grapevine, have now been laid over the top of an instrumental bit of Keni Burke's Hang Tight. It works very well, so watch out for it. Of couse it doesn't touch the original by Marvin, but is certainly causing a lot of interest right now. :-)) www.solarradio.com The Home Of Soul | ||
SDF (handsome) 2-Debutant Username: handsome Post Number: 24 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
Mine are: Bobby Caldwell-What You Won't Do For Love (a lot of people I know still thinks this is a Black Guy singing this song). I also had the priviledge to meet Bobby. He's a kool guy! Dusty Springfield-You can't get anymore soulful than Dusty! If you don't believe me, pick up some of her Atlantic recordings...particularly Dusty in Memphis, with the Sweet Inspirations in the background. 'Nuff Said! Taylor Dayne, Melissa Manchester, & Bonnie Raitt. I agree with the others mentioned too. Handsome | ||
Chancellor of Soul (harlem_144) 4-Laureate Username: harlem_144 Post Number: 72 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.78.189.114 |
I gotta put my two cents in lol: 1)The Rascals 2)Tom Jones 3)The Soul Survivors 4)The Righteous Bros 5)Bill Medley (solo) 6)Rolling Stones 7)The Magnificent Men (yeah kevlo !) 8)Blondie 9)Hall & Oates 10)Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels 11)Cream ( Wheels Of Fire LP) 12)Vanilla Fudge 13)Lulu 14)Dusty Springfield (Dusty In Memphis) 15)Procum Harum 16)The Box Tops 17)Tommy James & The Shondells (Hanky Panky) 18)Gino Vanilli ( I Just Wanna Stop) 19)AWB 20)Wild Cherry 21)Steve Miller Band (Fly Like An Eagle) Peace, Mike Boone (Chancellor of Soul) chancellorofsoul.com | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 80 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Dang! Some of y'all already mentioned many of my favorite blue-eyed soul brothers & sisters. So, I'm gonna mention some others who make the list: LYDIA PENSE - The lead singer of San Francisco's Cold Blood has a voice that kicks major a--. Check out their album "Cold Blood - Thriller" or the CD "The Best Of Cold Blood". JOE BARRY - Swamp pop/r&b singer from New Orleans had a Top 30 hit in 1961 with "I'm A Fool To Care" and recorded some great soulful stuff throughout the 1960s & 1970s. JOE SOUTH - The man who wrote "Down In The Boondocks" for Billy Joe Royal sounded pretty soulful on his own hits "Games People Play" and "Walk A Mile In My Shoes". TONY JOE WHITE - "Polk-Salad Annie" sounded like it came from a Black man but noooo! Tony Joe had the goods as a singer and songwriter (he composed "Rainy Night In Georgia" for Brook Benton). ALEX CHILTON - The lead singer of the Box Tops and later Big Star sounded so mature & soulful even at age sixteen when he sang the Box Tops' #1 hit "The Letter" STEVE WINWOOD - His vocals graced the fueled-up rock & soul of the Spencer Davis Group as well as Traffic & Blind Faith. Steve's tune "My Love's Leavin'" from the Back In The High Life album is IMHO his best ballad ever. JOE COCKER - "The Letter", "With A Little Help From My Friends" and "You Are So Beautiful" - need we say more? LULU - Her hit "Oh Me Oh My (I'm A Fool For You, Baby)" shows her voice at its very best. THREE DOG NIGHT - Okay, I know I'm gonna get shot down for this but let's face it - Chuck Negron, Cory Wells & Danny Hutton cut some mighty fine tunes that carried more than a hint of soul (suggested listening - "Easy To Be Hard", "Eli's Coming") RUSTIX - Gotta give my hometown friends their props. Lead singer Chuck Brucato was in the same league as the Rascals' Felix Cavaliere and the Ingui Brothers from the Soul Survivors. The Rustix cut two albums for Motown's Rare Earth label ("Bedlam" and "Come On People") before disbanding in 1972. NOTE TO SOUL SISTER - Bill Medley's "Brown Eyed Woman" was a mighty fine record. Do you know who Bill was singing about? (Give you a clue - they both recorded for Phil Spector) Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Wonder B (wonder_b) 4-Laureate Username: wonder_b Post Number: 112 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 80.13.241.230 |
Mike, you may have had a couple of drinks too many before posting, I guess, because your N�18 cannot be spelled as you did! LOOOOOOOOOOL Gino Vanilli??????? Hah I'm sure you slipped this one in to see if we were thoroughly reading your posts... You bet I do LOL Gino VANNELLI is a fantastic blue eyed singer and I am kicking myself in the... for not having thought about him first! His NIGHTWALKER LP was the bomb and other songs he did like Apaloosa and many others are great... On the other hand Milli Vanilli was another thang! Wonder B If you mess with the 'fro, you gotta go! | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 217 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.73.160.101 |
Hi Kev-Go; Good informative list! My guess is Medley was singing about Darlene Love. (?) S.S. | ||
Manny (manny) 2-Debutant Username: manny Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.124.10.94 |
Hi again, soulful friends! Hi, Kev-Go, thanks for refreshing my memorie mentioning Lydia Pense! Some blue-eyed soul tunes (more significative, for me, than a list of blue-eyed soul artists): -"Sierra" / Bozz Scaggs -"Life Is Mine" / Beth Hirsh -"The Bells" / Laura Nyro & Labelle -"I Could Dance All Night" / Biddu Orchestra -"Get Off On You" / Lydia Pense & Cold Blood -"Virgin Girl" and "Mama Soul" / Soul Survivors -"Blue Moon" / Marcels -"Dalila" / Tom Jones -"She Wears My Ring" / Solomon King -"Girl Watcher" / O'Kaysions (i think this group is white, not sure) -Some tunes by Boy George (from Culture Club) i forget the title. Peace & Soul Food (by brown, green, blue or black eyes) | ||
SDF (handsome) 2-Debutant Username: handsome Post Number: 25 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
Manny, you just reminded me... Boz Scaggs-Lowdown Handsome | ||
Chancellor of Soul (harlem_144) 4-Laureate Username: harlem_144 Post Number: 74 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.207.40.18 |
Hey Wonder B ! Hey anybody can slip a few every now and then lol. Lata' Mike Boone (Chancellor of Soul) chancellorofsoul.com | ||
Chancellor of Soul (harlem_144) 4-Laureate Username: harlem_144 Post Number: 75 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.78.189.114 |
Darlene Love and the Blossoms did the background for Brown Eyed Woman. Darlene said that Bill looked directly at her while he sang the song. He still was deeply in love with her. Mike Boone (Chancellor of Soul) chancellorofsoul.com | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 218 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.73.160.101 |
Thanks Mike! S.S. | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 81 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Soul Sister: CONGRADULATIONS! YOU GET THE PRIZE!!! A FREE SMILE! Darlene Love was the object of Bill Medley's desire who spurred the Righteous Brother to write and record "Brown Eyed Woman" in 1968 for MGM Records. Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Livonia Ken (livonia_ken) 2-Debutant Username: livonia_ken Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 136.1.1.154 |
Van Morrison!!! Regards, Ken | ||
Chancellor of Soul (harlem_144) 4-Laureate Username: harlem_144 Post Number: 80 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.207.40.18 |
Actually it was Cynthia Weil who wrote Brown Eyed Woman. She was very good friends with Bill Medley and Darlene Love and knew of their relationship. So, she wrote it as a biographical song, in tribute to both of them. If you'll listen to the song very carefully, Bill is really beggin' Darlene to please reconsider. This is when they actually looking at each other, while Bill is singing to her. You're very welcome, Soul Sister ! Anytime. Mike Boone (Chancellor of Soul) chancellorofsoul.com | ||
cudaus1 (cudaus1) 1-Arriviste Username: cudaus1 Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.51.243.6 |
Van Morrison Tom Jones | ||
lenny (lennytone) 2-Debutant Username: lennytone Post Number: 28 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.241.87.19 |
OLD BLUE EYES HIMSELF - FRANK SINATRA Love the Magnificent Men; saw them once; awesome! Then, there was the white member of the SOUL STOPPERS on Capp-Matt!!(LOL) Roy Head Timi Yuro Evie Sands Alan Freed Mitch Ryder Shangri-las Dion Gerry Mulligan Wolfman Jack and or course, JOHNNY OTIS!!! | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 226 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.73.160.101 |
Hi Lennytone; LOL about Johnny Otis, I understand no one could tell him he wasn't a soul brother sure enough!LOL! Good One. Don't forget Teddy Reig! Him too!! S.S. | ||
Jester (jester) 1-Arriviste Username: jester Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 62.253.64.7 |
What about these? The Mob (I Dig Everything About You) David Lasley Kiki Dee Edgar Winter's White Trash Rufus (Mixed) Dianne Steinberg Kokomo (feat. Tony O' Malley) Kenny Loggins Pages Tom & Googie Coppola Pauline Wilson (Seawind) Frankie Valli Paul Carrack (Ace) Dan Hartman (Love Is A Natural) Karen Young (Hot Shot) Michael Zager Michael Sembello Homi & Jarvis (I'm In Love Again - GRP) France Joli Patsy Gallant James Walsh Gypsy Band ('Cause It's You Girl) Cheryl Ladd (Skinnydippin') Nigel Martinez Clive Griffin (UK) Lance Ellington (UK) Kenny Thomas (UK) Bette Midler (Do You Wanna Dance) John Valenti George Soule Eddie Hinton Chris Clark Al Kooper Jill Saward & Jaqui Rawe (Shakatak) Boz Scaggs Tod Rundgren ...some recent peeps! Remy Shand Tim Dillinger Jon B Joss Stone Lewis Taylor Georg Levin Eric Gadd There's a lot of quality out there;o)) Keep Feelin' Jester. | ||
Brother Love (brother_love) 1-Arriviste Username: brother_love Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.120.44.10 |
Jester, David Lasley is truly one of best Blue-Eyed Soul singers. As lead singer of Detroit's own Utopias, with the group Rosie or any of his solo recordings, his Soul is pure. He is also one of the all time greats when it comes to background singers and songwriting does not get any better. Let's start with Anita Baker's "You Bring Me Joy" or his endles list of songwriting credits for the likes of Aretha Franklin, Patti LaBelle(3 times), Chaka Khan, Luther Vandross, Dusty Springfield, Natalie Cole, Tina Turner, Jennifer Holliday, the list goes on and on. That man can sure nuff sing! | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 5-Doyen Username: ladymystique Post Number: 260 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.222.243.111 |
Teena Marie Chris Clark The group who sang EXPRESSWAY TO YOUR HEART | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 5-Doyen Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 340 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.161.22.94 |
LadyM, that would be Mssrs Gamble & Huffs fellas The Soul Survivors | ||
roger (roger) 3-Pundit Username: roger Post Number: 37 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.35.87.17 |
Hello Everyone. How come no-one has mentioned THE SONS OF ROBIN STONE yet? Roger | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 94 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Lady Mystique: "Expressway To Your Heart" was recorded by New Jersey's Soul Survivors. Originally a six-man band, the group's lead singers were Kenny Jerimiah and the Ingui Brothers - Richard & Joseph. Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Manny (manny) 2-Debutant Username: manny Post Number: 25 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.124.10.168 |
Somebody knows more about Soul Survivors? Their Crimson, Atlantic and PIR discography I only have these tunes: -"Expressaway To Your Heart" (originally on Crimson). I have it in diverse compilations -"Mama Soul" (from the Atlantic album "Hits & Soul, vol. 7") -"What It Takes" / "Virgin Girl" (PIR-TSOP 45 rpm) -"City Of Brotherly Love" / "Last Time Was The Best Time" (PIR-TSOP 45 rpm) Also i knows that in the seventies changed the line up and featured jazz fussion keyboardist and songwriter Neil Larsen jointly with Richard and Charles (or Joseph?) Ingui. Thanks! Peace & Soul Food | ||
SDF (handsome) 3-Pundit Username: handsome Post Number: 32 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
Also: 100 Proof Aged in Soul-Somebody's Sleeping In My Bed Wild Cherry-Play That Funky Music Handsome | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 4-Laureate Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 149 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.162.123.48 |
Rodmann, Thanks much for the props! BTW..my eyes are hazel(smile) | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 4-Laureate Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 150 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.162.123.48 |
FLAMING EMBER | ||
Wonder B (wonder_b) 4-Laureate Username: wonder_b Post Number: 121 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.249.205.59 |
Hamish Stuart.... Person to person...........  Wonder B If you mess with the 'fro, you gotta go! | ||
Chancellor of Soul (harlem_144) 4-Laureate Username: harlem_144 Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.78.189.114 |
That's the jam !!! | ||
Rodmann (rodmann) 4-Laureate Username: rodmann Post Number: 108 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.221.46.129 |
You're welcome Bobby. You deserve all the props that come to you and then some! How the hell did I forget to add Flaming Ember to my list? 'Stop The World And Let Me Off' gets a lot of spins in my house! | ||
Galactus (galactus) 2-Debutant Username: galactus Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 207.144.253.114 |
1. The Rascals 2. Average White Band 3. K.C. and the Sunshine Band (Well....Casey and Finch, anyway) 4. Buddy Holly 5. Doobie Brothers 6. Bobby Caldwell 7. Teena Marie 8. Three Dog Night 9. The Okaysions 10. Soul Survivors 11. Boz Scaggs 12. Johnny Rivers 13. Any of those horn flavored outfits like early Chicago, Blood, Sweat and Tears, Lighthouse, Ides of March, etc. 14. Some stuff by McCartney and Wings 15. Several early Doo Wop groups like The Elegants or The Diamonds 16. Carole King (the lady can write soul music!) 17. Player 18. Dave Mason OH....good call by Rodmann on Samantha Sang....her "Emotion" is excellent... Also agree with Kev Go's mention of Joe South.....as for "Pork Salad Annie", that song just cracks me up.... (Message edited by galactus on April 29, 2004) | ||
Guitarslim (lee_phillips) 1-Arriviste Username: lee_phillips Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.40.25.170 |
Wow you got that right Eli... FLAMING EMBERS for sure!!!! | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 5-Doyen Username: ladymystique Post Number: 268 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.222.243.111 |
Thanks Juice and KevGo! Yes...nuff respect to our own Bobby Eli, the man with the SOULFUL WICKED riffs! | ||
kevin quinn (kevin_quinn) 1-Arriviste Username: kevin_quinn Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 151.197.114.79 |
When Hamish Stuart was in AWB ('73-82), that was the band! | ||
roger (roger) 3-Pundit Username: roger Post Number: 44 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.35.87.17 |
Hello Everyone. SDF .. 100 PROOF, who recorded "Somebodies Been Sleeping" were black, so I don't think they qualify for this thread!! Maybe you are confusing them with FLAMING EMBER, who were on the same label? How about THE BOXTOPS .. I always thought that "The Letter" and "Cry Like a Baby" were very soulful. Roger | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 2-Debutant Username: ~medusa Post Number: 22 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.79.87.135 |
Ok, I would really, really like to know, what is the purpose, rhyme & reason and the intention of this particuliar thread all about?...all jokes aside, on the real serious tip???? Can someone break it down for me? it keeps popping up. I've even posted under it on the old forum...Thanx! I'll be waiting for an answer. | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 3-Pundit Username: douglasm Post Number: 55 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.113.12.67 |
Galactus..... ....thanks for the opening with your #13. The Buckinghams. I'll agree (finally) they're not "blue eyed soul", but you can hear the influence all over their recordings. Good call on Lighthouse. I forgot about "One Fine Morning" doug | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 3-Pundit Username: douglasm Post Number: 56 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.113.12.67 |
Medusa..... ....because music is interchangable, and the influence of soul can be felt in many area, as can the influence of pop, classical, jazz, blues, folk, gregorian chant (think Association here), and personally, I enjoy these types of exploration. doug | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 98 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Medusa: The purpose of this thread is to show how soul and R&B has influenced others outside of the African-American race, which has not diluted the music as much as it helped reinforce its strength and power across racial boundaries, bringing people of different ethnic backgrounds together (or those who choose to be part of the mix). To pick up on Doug's point, R&B music mixed with other genres has only made soul music even more powerful. For example, the Chi-lites' vocals on "Have You Seen Her" with those killer harmonies throughout the song came from two different genres that worked well together - street-corner doo wop & religious music. This was due to Eugene Record being influenced by both sacred church singing and street corner doo-wop. I hope this answers your question and quell any debate in this thread which everyone else seems to enjoy contributing to. Regards, Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 99 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Doug & Galactus: Ditto on Lighthouse's "One Fine Morning". Great vocals from group leader Skip Prokop. Also let's add to the mix "Vehicle" by the Ides Of March featuring lead singer/guitarist Jim Peterik. Chicago - the late Terry Kath was the man! I thought "Make Me Smile" and "Colour My World" were by an R&B group because of Terry's soulful vocals. BTW - Jester mentioned the band the Mob, which was a Chicago-based band. Their leader Jim Holvay wrote the hits "Kind Of A Drag", "Don't You Care", "Hey Baby! Their Playing Our Song" and "Susan" for the Buckinghams (if only he kept one of these tunes for the Mob!). Check out the Mob's Colossus Records release "I Dig Everything About You" from 1971. It sounds like a tune the Spinners would've recorded! Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Galactus (galactus) 2-Debutant Username: galactus Post Number: 26 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 207.144.253.114 |
Blue eyed soul perhaps signifies, more than any other way, how much soul crosses boundries and how it can bring people of all races, colors and creeds together. That's what it's all about. That's why mixed groups like Santana, The Del Vikings, KC and the Sunshine Band, War, Rufus, Jay and the Techniques and others always warm my heart. It just demonstrates the strength and brotherhood of the music we know as soul. BTW......couldn't early Elvis even qualify for this category? | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 245 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.73.160.101 |
Douglism, Kev-Go, & Galactus; AMEN, AMEN, AMEN... Good assesment!!! S.S. | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 2-Debutant Username: ~medusa Post Number: 23 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.79.98.106 |
Douglasm, Although I've been a listener of Soul Music for 50 years, I'd say it's watered down quite a bit over the years(Where were all the blue eyed soul crooners at that time, so,some of them weren't even allowed to listen to Colored Folks Music)?......I understand and appreciate your response...Thanx! | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 101 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Medusa: Elvis Presley was listening to Gospel music that eminated from a Black church in his hometown when he was a young boy - and that was back in the early 1940s. Jerry Lee Lewis used to sneak into Black clubs to learn how to play boogie-woogie piano during the late 1940s and early 1950s. Joe Barry - who I have worked with and contributed liner notes to his reissued work - attended his local Black church, sang in the choir and learned his craft from listening to Fats Domino, and this was in the early 1950s. These are just a few examples of where these "blue-eyed crooners" were and did not allow the racial mores of the times to prevent them from listening to music created by African Americans. And no - I am not picking on you. I'm just raising a point based on the question you asked. With respect, Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 102 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Soul Sister: Thanks! Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 3-Pundit Username: douglasm Post Number: 58 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.113.12.67 |
Medusa.... ....no problem. I figured your question was a serious one and deserved a serious answer. Flip is left to the eerrrggghhhh thread. Seriously, I wonder if a lot of the cross polinization (sp? Business major, not English) was due to the shape of pop music in the '60's. I mentioned on the Pop music thread the Keener 13 chart from when I graduated (6/66). 7 out of the 31 I would identify as "soul"--although it was all just music to me back then--along with the other music. And an arguement could be made that the Standells, Leaves and Shadows of Knight show "soulish" influences, not to mention Johnny Rivers and Dusty Springfield. Jan and Dean, on the other hand..... This has turned into an interesting conversation in its own right. doug | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 2-Debutant Username: ~medusa Post Number: 24 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.79.165.81 |
wait...did you say Keener 13??? that was my favorite radio station back in the 60's... Ok, now do you remember the show Club 1270 ??? | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 2-Debutant Username: ~medusa Post Number: 25 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.79.165.81 |
Kevin, I got your point...but, is that something someone told you, or something you read? Just curious???????~o) | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 5-Doyen Username: ladymystique Post Number: 288 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.238.210.217 |
I was trying to post this at work, but my computer froze... Terry Katz from Chicago was great...SATURDAY IN THE PARK, COLOR MY WORLD...where's my CD? | ||
Soulsauce (soulsauce) 1-Arriviste Username: soulsauce Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.86.170 |
Here are some of my favorites: Hall and Oates Average White Band Teena Marie (Can this lady sing, or what??) Lisa Stansfield (She kicks ass) Swing Out Sister Steely Dan Jamiroquai (Lead singer Jay Kay, possibly the coolest cat on the planet) Bonnie Raitt Michael McDonald and on certain songs: Sting Rod Stewart George Michael Man, the Brits are all over the place on this list! I love it. | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 3-Pundit Username: ~medusa Post Number: 32 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.79.113.29 |
4 give me, but some of those folks named as blue eyed soul singers, are not so... ..and Frank Sinatra was a good classical singer, but 'Soul'??? Nah A lot of the white folks that sang in a soul style, didn't have blue eyes, what about them? Actually, someone on this (old) forum said that Music has no color...then what's with the eye color thing? what does that have to do with soul music in the first place? I like of 'Soul Persuasion' much better. If you got it, you got it, if you don't, then you just don't have it, even if your eyes are green. When something has already been perfected, it tends to sway or influence others with the desire to be like itself (original), which is perfect, you can't slap a label on perfection...and douglasm, that's why I liked your explaination in your response...Galactus yours too. | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 4-Laureate Username: luke Post Number: 87 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.198.48.201 |
Dusty; Brenda Lee;Sam Harris; Tim Yuro; Righteous Bros; Hall and Oates; Lulu(post To Sir with Love);Jackie De Shannon(soul rock);Carole King; Simply Redd;Allyson Moyet(Invisible written by Lamont Dozier); Walker Bros; Len Barry/Dovells; BeeGees(Jive Talkin for one);Rob Thomas/Santana; Lisa Stansfield. | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 269 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.147.99 |
Jimmy Mack; Sam Haris another good vocalist no one mentioned yet! S.S. | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 3-Pundit Username: douglasm Post Number: 62 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.113.12.67 |
Medusa.... ....Eva discribed an interesting book in a thread where I rephrased your original question. doug | ||
Eva (bigswede2002) 3-Pundit Username: bigswede2002 Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.226.54.68 |
Hi Medusa, In response to your query about "blue-eyed", I'll forward a snippet from a post to another forum that I'm a member of. It concerns Timi Yuro, who was a regular at "The Apollo": Timi told me, "whatever they do, don't classify me as 'blue-eyed soul' 'cause that's NOT me!" When Timi played the Apollo, most of the audience thought she was another light-skinned black girl soul singer. end of quote. And speaking about eye color, Smokey has beautiful *green* eyes, if I'm not totally mistaken.... My guess is that "blue-eyed" is just a code-word for "white", i.e. soulful white singers. Eva | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 5-Doyen Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 172 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.49.145 |
Medusa, Just to set the record straight, the term "blue eyed soul" is an all encompassing, catch all generic term not necessarily analogous to a person's eye pigment, but a commonly used term for a "white person" who for lack of a better term, sings with soul or a feeling usually associated with that of an African American person. The term "caucasian" is a grosly misused misnomer when used as a synonym for a "white person. The Caucasians were /are a people from the easternmost part of the former Soviet Union near the Mongolian border and for all intents and purposes, are more related to Asians than "white people" So when those who are misinformed call us "caucasian", they should get their facts straight before applying the term. | ||
Wonder B (wonder_b) 4-Laureate Username: wonder_b Post Number: 141 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.53.148.30 |
Exactly Bobby... Very well explained... I was very much surprised the first time I heard the use of that term (caucasian) on the US TV a few years ago, and even more now that it seems it has passed on to define any white person even in the Police reports... Over here in Europe we have never used that word because as you said caucasians are people from a part of the ex-Soviet Union... Just as we don't use the term AFrican -europeans which could have been used in relation to the term used in the US... It's like 'Arian race' has never been a race of all blond haired, blue eyed people... instead the arians come from Iran... LOL Wonder B | ||
Heikki (heikki) 3-Pundit Username: heikki Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.17.199.27 |
Hi Bobby! a good explanation. We here in Europe have these terms - doowop, shouter, 50s r&b, soul, deep, disco, Caucasian, blue-eyed etc. - which everybody interested in can understand and can focus on. I think these terms on the other side have dimmed a bit lately. Best regards Heikki | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 4-Laureate Username: robb_k Post Number: 120 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.201.114 |
The anthropologists used the term "Caucasian" for the so called "white race" originally, as the caucasian Region was thought to be their ancestral home. It was thought that that was the area where that so-called "race" was located when their skin and eye colour changed enough from the main body of the human population to consider them a different race. The scientists now know that trying to divide humans by skin and eye colour, hair straightness or other superficial traits is absurd, as those traits are not nearly as important to chromosmal inherited traits of different breeding populations as blood type and other inner body traits. Humans are very much more interrelated than was once thought. We are ALL descendents of one woman from only 80,000 years ago. The whole idea of separating people into races is pointless. Actually, many of the people in The Caucasus Region ARE much more closely related to most modern Europeans and north Americans (descended from Europeans) than they are to most other Asians. then, there are many other people from that area who ARE related much more closely to Central Asians and East Asians (and even some Indians). But, the people in that area are very mixed (as are most people around the World). I'm of Dutch/Flemish (Jewish) descent, but the family came from hungary before Belgium/Netherlands. I have a few first cousins on my father's side who have "oriental looking" almond-shaped eyes (eyefolds), and slightly yellowish skin and rounded faces. My Father's father looked similar. One might have thought they were Chinese or Mongolian. Those features must have come from mixing with The Hungarians during the 1600s to early 1800s, who, in turn (centuries before) had mixed with the conquering Huns, Avars, Patzinaks, Mongols and all other conquering tribes who came to the Hungarian Plain from East/Central Asia, through Central Asia. The Hungarians (Magyars) had come originally from Siberia in any case. But, knowing that we are all mixed, and race designations are inaccurate, how should we properly differentiate between the people raised in the so-called "Black Community" in USA from the so-called "Whites", or "Caucasians" when it comes to the question of soul music? It's more a cultural difference, rather than in the blood. | ||
Heikki (heikki) 3-Pundit Username: heikki Post Number: 36 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.17.193.223 |
Hi Robb_K! That was a fine analysis. It's interesting how our origins, the Finns, have been studied in many ways. The traditional explanation is that we originally come from the Volga region (a river in Russia), a tribe that came to the Hungarian plain as you mention, but recent studies show that we are actually a part of the Central European family. I really can't tell if this is true or not, but they claim we took this territory from the south-west. Anyway, I agree that the love for soul music is more cultural than "blood" thing. Best regards Heikki | ||
Greg C. (greg_c) 2-Debutant Username: greg_c Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 166.84.225.69 |
Carrie McDowell Wild Orchid Good 2 Go Chris Clark Hall & Oates Everything But The Girl ( I Love Traci Thorn!) Sons Of Robin Stone The Reflections ("Just Like Romeo & Juliet" STILL sounds good!) Dusty Springfield Gino Vanelli Lisa Stansfield | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 3-Pundit Username: ~medusa Post Number: 49 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.79.89.241 |
Ok, blue eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, and the dominate brown eyes. I understand what you are trying to say...but,our (TRUE) Culture was destroyed from the root and we had to adapt to what was around us...and we made the best of it. I really mean no offense to no one here or anywhere else...but I do get offended, when some label is slapped on our styles causing us to be separated from that which we gave greatness to...and by some of our(so~called) own may I add. Douglasm gave an excellent answer to my question, and I appreciated it very much...Thanx again Douglasm. | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 3-Pundit Username: douglasm Post Number: 66 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.113.12.67 |
Like I said earlier, that was a very legitimate question you asked, Medusa, and I'm glad I could come up with some sort of answer. I'm usually not that good, but I try. I rephrased and reasked your question on a different thread (to little response), but did get a lead from Eva on a book, "Just My Soul Responding: Rythmn And Blues, Black Consciousness And Race Relations" by Brian Ward out of the University Of California Press, that appears to reenforce a couple of my theories, and destroys a couple of others. Are you familiar with that book? doug | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 286 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.147.99 |
Medusa; You forgor grey eyes, violet eyes, parti-color eyes, bi-color eyes, ice-blue eyes, & black eyes. Why not name them all then no one will feel left out. Douglasm; That book sounds fantastically informative, I'll probably get it myself. Eva; Thanks for posting the link! S.S. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 4-Laureate Username: robb_k Post Number: 128 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.197.222 |
Billy Eckstine has blue eyes. I guess he was a "blue-eyed soul artist" when he sang "Thank You Love" for Motown, and when he cut his Stax recordings. But, he went back to the "proper" field for a blue-eyed person, when he reverted back to singing "pop standards". | ||
Vonnie (vonnie) 3-Pundit Username: vonnie Post Number: 61 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
SoulSister, You forgot to include the color of eyes I sometimes have after a really late night. Bloodshot or better known as red eyes. | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 287 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.147.99 |
THANK YOU SISTER VONNIE ! Your Soul Sister | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 3-Pundit Username: ~medusa Post Number: 50 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.252.13.158 |
SS, it wasn't my intent to make a list of eye colors...It's quite clear what I meant...and as far as being left out, that was my major point indeed... By the way, Donny~(BET)~Simpson has Green eyes!!! | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 5-Doyen Username: soul_sister Post Number: 288 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.147.99 |
Medusa; Indeed! My point too. I love love Donny Simpson, he's beautiful!! S.S. | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 2-Debutant Username: stonewall Post Number: 14 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.26.43 |
Away from the anthropology, back to the Blue-Eyed Soul Brothers & Sisters: 01) K.C. (vocalist w/ The Sunshine Band) 02) Righteous Brothers 03) The Shangri-Las ("Remember, Walking In The Sand", "Out In The Streets", "He Cried") 04) Average White Band 05) Dusty Springfield 06) Rare Earth 07) Cilla Black 08) Wild Cherry 09) Chris Clark 10) Young Rascals 11) Evie Sands 12) The Techniques (of Jay &) In recent Memorium: (Miss) Timi Yuro (Message edited by Stonewall on May 03, 2004) (Message edited by Stonewall on May 03, 2004) | ||
Manny (manny) 3-Pundit Username: manny Post Number: 44 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.124.10.89 |
Hello again soulful sisters & brothers! I wanna add the spanish group Los Canarios who recorded a tribute, "Requiem For A Soul" in memoriam to Otis Redding and many other soul tunes. Also spanish singer Bruno Lomas sang a cover of Four Top's "Reach Out". This was in the sixties but also in the present have a spanish "soul" group called Presuntos Implicados with a female lead voice very good. Some years ago recorded one album featuring Randy Crawford. I believe the birth of the expression "Blue Eyed Soul" was the music critics after Biddu published his "Blue Eyed Soul" Lp. They adopted it to refer to soul music made by white people. IMHO this is a convention like another of the language without more importance and without a literally signification. peace & Soul Food | ||
Heikki (heikki) 3-Pundit Username: heikki Post Number: 38 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.17.199.27 |
Hi Manny! I first heard the term "blue-eyed soul" used affiliated with the Righteous Brothers in the early 60s, but it may have an even longer history. Best regards Heikki | ||
Manny (manny) 3-Pundit Username: manny Post Number: 46 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.124.12.216 |
Hello again, soulful brothers & sisters! Hey, Heikki! (i write your name correctly for the first time, before i believe that was "Heikiki"!, excuse-me) The spanish critic of music Antonio De Miguel write this about the origin of "Blue Eyed Soul" expression in the "El Pa�s" papernews (i keeps the retail). But i beleieve that you have much more knowledge. I think nobody mentioned ERIC BURDON (!?) Also, Anastacia, Paul Hardcastle, Paul Young, and if Rodmann includes musicians and songwriters (as, of course BOBBY ELI!), the list its very long: Herbie Mann, Ringo Star, Vince Montana, Eddie Palmieri (he got some soul gems as "Spirit Of Love"!), the MG's white members,... Peace & Soul Food. | ||
Steve (steve_litos) 1-Arriviste Username: steve_litos Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.100.86.4 |
Kevgo - I was just heard Terry Kath (of Chicago) singing on "Conversations 1 & 2" a couple of days ago. At the end of the song there is a long "We Can Make It Happen" chorus mixed with a few guitar solos. At the VERY end of the song someone (could be Terry Kath) does a great Larry Graham imitation worthy of a Sly record! Oh yeah...anyone ever listen to Murray Head? He was Judas on the orginal Jesus Christ Superstar. Because of my age at my first exposure to the movie (Carl Anderson as Judas), it never occured to me that the voice on the record was a white British dude until a couple of years ago. |
