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  lenny (lennytone) 2-Debutant Username: lennytone Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.241.87.179 |
Just got a Billboard Hot 100 chart book for the 1960's! Don't worry, I won't make a habit out of this, but here are some highlights from April 25th chart, 1964: (#1,2, & 3 were the Beatles, of course) #9 - "My Guy" Mary Wells - highest soul charter that week #11 - "Shoop Shoop Song" - Betty Everett #14 - "The Way You Do The Things You Do" - Temptations #15 - "You're A Wonderful One" - Marvin Gaye #21 - "The Matador" - Major Lance #22 - "Ain't Nothin' You Can Do" - Bobby Bland #32 - "Wish Someone Would Care" - Irma Thomas #33 - "I'm So Proud" - Impressions #35 - "My Girl Sloopy" - Vibrations #42 - "Can You Do It" - Contours #51 - "I Can't Stand It" - Soul Sisters #52 - "In My LOnely Room" - Martha & Vandellas #54 - "Baby Baby Baby" - Anna King/Bobby Byrd #55 - "Slip-In Mules" - Sugar Pie Desanto #56 - "Giving Up On Love" - Jerry Butler #57 - "Best Part Of Breaking Up" - Ronettes #64 - "I Should Care" - Gloria Lynne #65 - "T'ain't Nothin' To Me" - Coasters #66 - "Castles In The Sky" - Little Stevie Wonder #72 - "That's When It Hurts" - Ben E. King #73 - "Soul Serenade" - King Curtis #75 - "Goodbye Baby" - Solomon Burke #76 - "Loving You More Every Day" - Etta James #79 - "Come To Me" - Otis Redding #85 - "Walk On By" - Dionne Warwick - FIRST WEEK ON #100 - "Hurt By Love" - Inez Foxx (Great Record!) #102 - "Every Little Bit Hurts" - Brenda Holloway #115 - "Where Does Love Go" - Freddie Scott (Love this record!) #116 - "Somebody Stole My Dog" - Rufus Thomas #118 - "I'll Find You" - Valerie & Nick (GREAT!!!) #125 - "In The Wee Hours Of The Night" - James Brown (on KING) #126 - "Long Tall Shorty" - Tommy Tucker #127 - "Giving Up" - Gladys Knight & Pips (CLASSIC!) #130 - "Caledonia" - James Brown (on SMASH) #133 - "Again" - James Brown (on KING) | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 5-Doyen Username: ladymystique Post Number: 187 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.33.227.122 |
Hey...nice list! | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 4-Laureate Username: soul_sister Post Number: 125 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.73.160.101 |
lennytone; Thanks for the memories! S.S. | ||
Don (don) 3-Pundit Username: don Post Number: 42 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.53.42 |
40 yrs ago the Vows out of Chicago scored a #1 hit in Detroit with "When A Boy Loves A Girl" b/w "Lost In A City" on Big Three #400, and was released again under the moniker of the Majors, except the A side was "Lost In A City" b/w "Say You'll Be Mine" on Big Three #403. The record went #1 again in Detroit. Personally my favorite side of #403 is "Say You'll Be Mine". | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 3-Pundit Username: kevgo Post Number: 68 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
The year 1964 was when Billboard discontinued their R&B chart because of their opinion that the Hot 100 pop chart can reflect and represent both pop and soul genres, therefore an R&B chart wasn't needed. When Billboard saw their circulation drop dramatically in '64 while their competitor Cashbox was selling more magazines (Cashbox kept their R&B chart), Billboard reinstated their R&B chart in early 1965. Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
lenny (lennytone) 2-Debutant Username: lennytone Post Number: 24 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.241.87.19 |
Right, and my argument that I made some months ago although someone shot it down, but I reiterate it here, is that Billboard changed their parameters on how they calculated their soul chart resulting in an inaccurate listing weighted down by pop songs. How's that for a run-on sentence! I gave as my "proof" that Brenda Lee made the soul chart. In the mid-to-late sixties Record World magazine (anyone remember that?) contained the most accurate soul chart. One glance at Billboard's soul chart in 1965 will demonstrate what I'm talking about. It's no big deal really, unless they try to induct Ms. Lee into a soul hall of fame. I used to own the Billboard soul charts book; you can look in there and if you find some records that don't seem to fit, chances are they're from that era. I grant that my memory is not perfect; I seem to remember that it was around 1966 that I was favoring Record World over Billboard. I suppose there's an archive of Cashbox charts somewhere, but I wonder about Record World? | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 72 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Lennytone: I speak with many record label and radio vets who would agree that Record World's charts accurately reflected what radio stations were playing on the air. This was because Record World's writers and staff kept close relationships with radio folk & reported exactly what they played. Billboard was and is more of a retail-driven trade and reported what record stores were selling - not necessarily what radio was airing. Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 73 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Lennytone: I should say that because Record World accurately reported what radio was airing, there's no way Brenda Lee's record would've made their chart because R&B stations hardly played any of her records by the early-mid 1960s. Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 3-Pundit Username: tony_russi Post Number: 40 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.18.59.107 |
Kevin, although I never purchased any record by Brenda Lee I do remember the Soul station in Miami playing "Sweet Nothings" and maybe other records by her.There were other songs I was suprised to hear on Soul stations down here...I remember "Lonely Bull" by Herb Alpert stuff like that.I remember RECORD WORLD but the newstand here just had Billboard so I bought that when I could get the 50 cents. | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 5-Doyen Username: westside314 Post Number: 236 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.211 |
I like that version of JB doing Caledonia...it shows his vocal range clearly. I liked when JB sang other people songs, it showed his diversity as well. | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 3-Pundit Username: randy_russi Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
#66 for the week should read "Castles In The Sand" by Little Stevie Wonder. It was on his Stevie at the Beach lp which included "Hey Harmonica Man" and "Happy Street", both issued as singles. This lp was a result of his appearance in two Frankie Avalon/Annette Funicello beach movies-- "Muscle Beach Party" and "Bikini Beach". By the way, there really are beaches in Calif. named Muscle Beach and Bikini Beach. | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 3-Pundit Username: randy_russi Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
Brenda Lee was actually a very soulful singer. I remember thinking she was black until I actually saw one of her albums. Surprisingly, Connie Stevens' "16 Reasons" was like a major R&B hit. Several others did well on the R&B charts in the late 50s/early 60s that may be quite surprising to some. Lesley Gore's records were R&B hits, but that shouldn't surprise anyone--Quincy Jones produced and they were very good records. | ||
Don (don) 3-Pundit Username: don Post Number: 58 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.60.64 |
You know somethin' a lot of my friends and people to whom I respected in the music field in Chicago relied on those Record World Magazines, even the Mom & Pop Store use to sell them. Fellas you all are right about one thing, the real census we're about what was being played more of not what's aired. I had about 10 -12 earlier mags yrs ago and now I realize I tossed out something I'd stopped paying much attention to. | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 86 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Don: Some of your colleagues in the Chicago music biz are probably my mentors - they swore by Record World moreso than Billboard. Carl Davis told me that Record World would chart several releases that came from Okeh & Brunswick. Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Chancellor of Soul (harlem_144) 4-Laureate Username: harlem_144 Post Number: 81 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.78.189.114 |
Hey Randy, You're right because I went to Muscle Beach on a trip to California in the 80's. Very nice. Mike Boone (Chancellor of Soul) chancellorofsoul.com | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 5-Doyen Username: ladymystique Post Number: 252 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.222.243.111 |
Hey...I have noticed that there was something with the R&B charts that was not shown for a period of time ans then came back. What was the reason for that? | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 5-Doyen Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 345 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.161.22.94 |
Well folks, as I'm only 21 & 1/2, this chart is a bit before my time  Great songs, really good stuff there! | ||
Don (don) 3-Pundit Username: don Post Number: 67 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.59.193 |
Thank You Kev. I read some where in this forum that your home was vandalized. I hope that catch those creeps, quick but soon. Tell Ms. Jo I said hello. Oh, you don't mind if I e-mail you I have ssomething to share with you. sir. | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 3-Pundit Username: randy_russi Post Number: 36 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
LadyMistique, For some reason Billboard magazine did not publish R&B charts for 1964. I do not know why. | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 93 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.115.136.66 |
Don: Thanks so much for the props. My home wasn't vandalized but I have had stuff become "missing" because I didn't trust the right people. I'll give Jo Armstead your regards. By all means email me at kevingoins@juno.com. Randy: Here is my earlier post explaining why Billboard discontinued the R&B chart for one year: "The year 1964 was when Billboard discontinued their R&B chart because of their opinion that the Hot 100 pop chart can reflect and represent both pop and soul genres, therefore an R&B chart wasn't needed. "When Billboard saw their circulation drop dramatically in '64 while their competitor Cashbox was selling more magazines (Cashbox kept their R&B chart), Billboard reinstated their R&B chart in early 1965." Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 5-Doyen Username: ladymystique Post Number: 266 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.222.243.111 |
Randy and Kev...thanks for the info. I must have missed that posting KevGo. And I am sorry to hear about your mishap. You should kick their azz. | ||
Stonewall (stonewall) 2-Debutant Username: stonewall Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.237.26.43 |
I always preferred CASH BOX and RECORD WORLD to BILLBOARD! Thanx for reminding us, KevGo, that "B/B" even dropped their R & B charts for awhile in 1964 and 1965. Wow! Wasn't "B/B" full of soul -- spiced with stupidity? One classic example of how off track they were even when they thought they weren't is "I'm Gonna Make U Love Me", a superduper classic -- hello, "Joined Together" -- by two supergroups DIANA ROSS & THE SUPREMES and THE TEMPTATIONS. Well, CASH BOX and RECORD WORLD -- plus all the regional chart lists -- had that #1 song as #1! Butt, not "B/B". They kept it at #2. I'm really glad that in the other new deluxe c.d. that Motown issued recently, "DRS: The #1s", that Motown included "IGMYLM" as a #1 song, which it was and is. By the way, CASH BOX song charts are also available on-line. They have a great lay-out, too. Maybe start w/ 1st week of January 1969. Also visit: www.STONEWALLvets.org/songsofS tonewall-1.htm. | ||
roger (roger) 3-Pundit Username: roger Post Number: 46 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.35.87.17 |
Hi Stonewall. I took your advice and managed to find the Cashbox charts .. Heres a link to them http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/r andypny/cashbox/1969.html IGMYLM is actually number 1 on the last week of January 1969. We had a similar situation in the U.K. in that we had three ( or was it four?) music magazines who all produced their own charts .. "Record Mirror", "Disk and Music Echo", "New Musical Express" and "Sounds" ( "Sounds" I think started in the late 60's ). The BBC for a while used a "conglomerate" chart that "averaged out" the various ones to produce a "definitive" one ( or at least thats what they told us ). It is the BBC chart that is generally regarded as the "official" one. I remember when THE JACKSON FIVE hit with "I Want You Back" it was #1 on the NME chart, but everyone else had it as #2, so its "official" ranking is always put as #2. Personally I like looking at old charts, as it gives a reasonable snapshot of what people were listening to and buying at the time. Take any chart from the 60s and you'll find a lot of good records listed. The chart from 40 years ago is a good example. Roger |
