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janebse (janebse)
2-Debutant
Username: janebse
Post Number: 17
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.63.6.8
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 1:24 pm: �� |     ���  |
I am not referring to groups who have had members die or leave and replaced those members so that eventually everyone is diffent. I am referring to groups who are formed and who use a name that has already been used. |
GOAT (goat)
3-Pundit
Username: goat
Post Number: 40
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 64.228.146.107
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 1:28 pm: �� | ��� |
The Spinners have a couple.
In the UK they are known as the Detroit Spinners. |
Ritchie (ritchie)
4-Laureate
Username: ritchie
Post Number: 81
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 62.254.0.32
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 1:40 pm: �� | ��� |
The Temptations - two different groups, of opposite colours.
The Spinners - at least four groups of this name.
The Crickets - early 50s Doo Wop group, and Buddy Holly's band.
Odyssey - two different 70s groups
Nirvana - 60s UK psychedelic outfit, then Kurt Cobain's mob.
The Wailers - 60s instro surf band, and Bob Marley's vocal trio.
- I'm sure there are many more 
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
5-Doyen
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 231
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 56.0.100.100
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 2:06 pm: �� | ��� |
The Reflections. Different groups recorded for Golden World & Capitol.
The Supremes - One was male, one was female
The Intruders
I have a few more, I'll get back to this when I get home. |
Ritchie (ritchie)
4-Laureate
Username: ritchie
Post Number: 82
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 62.254.0.32
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 2:18 pm: �� | ��� |
There was another Supremes too - a female group who recorded for Ace around 1960. If I remember correctly, they may have been part of Huey Smith's entourage
(Message edited by Ritchie on April 24, 2004) |
Soul Sister (soul_sister)
4-Laureate
Username: soul_sister
Post Number: 107
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.73.160.101
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 3:29 pm: �� | ��� |
THE MANHATTANS
A. "Best" group: Lead singer Gerald Alston with original Bass/sometimes lead singer Winifred "Blue" Lovett. Performing at the larger venues, Gerald is the voice that created their sound from 1971 on...
B. group: imitating Gerald on lead is Lee Wiliams (formerly of the Cymbals), this group is controlled by Edward "Sonny" Bivins. Performing at the smaller venues.
S.S. |
Robb_K (robb_k)
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Username: robb_k
Post Number: 89
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.81.30.66
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 3:48 pm: �� | ��� |
The Ace group was a male group. i think there were 4 Supremes groups (3 were male).
There was a Caucasian group from Detroit with that name, and another NY R&B group. Were Ronnie & The Manhattans, who recorded for Bobby Robinson, the same group (minus Ronnie) that recorded for Carnival?
We had a very long thread about this before. look it up in the archives. It hand hundreds of group names that were used by 2 or more different groups. I would say there must have been literally THOUSANDS, as local groups in different towns and cities had no knowledge of what names local groups elsewhere picked for themselves. At that time, they all picked from a finite pool of logical plural names related to music, singing quality, animals, birds, cars and human values and qualities. |
Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Username: soul_sister
Post Number: 108
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.73.160.101
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 4:02 pm: �� | ��� |
RobbK;
I am more aware of this than most. I was referring to the two groups going around today in live appearances that were split from the original successful Carnival group, later on DeLuxe, and Columbia.
The original classic group consisted of George "Smitty" Smith, Blue Lovett, Sonny Bivins, Kenny Kelley, & Richard Taylor.
When "Smitty" passed Gerald became the lead singer in 1971.
S.S.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
5-Doyen
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 232
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 4:05 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi Soul Sister. Tell me, as Sonny was an original Manhattan, why did he split from Blue. You would think that he would be happy that Gerald came back after having gone solo. What's the deal here?
Juice |
Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Username: soul_sister
Post Number: 109
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.73.160.101
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 4:20 pm: �� | ��� |
Juice;
Its a long personal story for him, he was very upset/angry when Gerald left to go solo, unfairly so! Sonny has/had some sour-grapes issues, a similar thing the Stylistics are going through with the suing, etc... on his part to no avail. Such a waste!
S.S. |
Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Username: soul_sister
Post Number: 110
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.73.160.101
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 4:24 pm: �� | ��� |
There are many split and fake groups as well going around. Here's a few:
The Platters
The Drifters
The Intruders
The Delfonics
The Stylistics
The Persuaders
The Jive Five (constant personal changes as with the Temptations)!
and the list goes on...
S.S. |
Ritchie (ritchie)
4-Laureate
Username: ritchie
Post Number: 83
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 62.254.0.32
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 4:27 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi Robb - oops! A few years ago I had an Ace compilation with a track credited to "the Supremes" - and it definitely had a female lead vocal. (I remember at the time thinking it rather coincidental that there was an earlier girl-group with the same name.) I guess the song was simply miscredited by the compilers |
Kev-Lo (7273747576)
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Username: 7273747576
Post Number: 36
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.231.233.71
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 6:35 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi this is Kev-Lo yes there were some groups that were different but used the same name like there were two different groups that had the name Love one was a soul group that made a song back in 1971 called That's The Way It Is and then there was a white group that called themselves Love. |
Jimmy Mack (luke)
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Username: luke
Post Number: 74
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.198.48.201
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 7:10 pm: �� | ��� |
There was a Temptations group from Long Island. |
Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
5-Doyen
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 244
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 8:34 pm: �� | ��� |
To be honest, there are far too many to count! We had a thread about this recently, check the old archives between February & April.
Juice |
janebse (janebse)
2-Debutant
Username: janebse
Post Number: 19
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.63.6.8
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 8:41 pm: �� | ��� |
I thought about this question when I saw a group appearing in the Northern Soul area with the same name as some American groups. I should think that one would really want a unique name to establish oneself, but perhaps it makes absolutely no difference. |
Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
5-Doyen
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 246
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 9:45 pm: �� | ��� |
Yes S.S, that's a shame. I thought that he was still around when Gerald left. Was he angry that Gerald came back? I can understand why he would have been a bit upset when his lead singer left after all of that success. However, I don't think that I'd cut off my nose to spite my face. The only Manhattans group acceptable to most of us would have to include Gerald.
Peace!
Juice |
sideburnslim (sideburnslim)
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Username: sideburnslim
Post Number: 20
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.41.175.175
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 10:48 pm: �� | ��� |
Geno Washington/Gino Washington
I've also heard that Wilson Pickett's the Falcons name was taken by another Detroit group...but I'm not sure |
Soul Sister (soul_sister)
4-Laureate
Username: soul_sister
Post Number: 116
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.73.160.101
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 10:53 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi Juice;
There's alot more to the story but I'll keep it short just to clarify something you said thats not exactly correct. You see Gerald never wanted to sing in the group in the first place, it took some coaxing, he was in college with a promising future as well as a strong possability of a more of a lucratve one. Second he only wanted to sing gospel ala Sam Cooke, and solo! He stayed loyal and stuck with the group for 17 long years, then had a new born son, a beautiful wife, a family to support and wanted to at long last try to make it alone. He had some success via videos on BET but still not enough promotion from the record company (Motown), same ole same ole! The Manhattans hadn't had a hit in a decade or more when he left, they were already falling through the cracks when Gerald left. Their new lead singer couldn't cut it, he wasn't Gerald and neither is Lee Williams! So Sonny was angry , later Kenny decided to go back to school and teaching so he moved to North Carolina to start a new life. After 4 Cds and being limited by the record company who was now turning to hip-hop, rap generation material, Gerald decided too, take Blue up, on his offer to start up the group again but unfortuneatly Sonny was still holding a grudge and decided to stick with his own thing. Sonny tried to sue Blue & Gerald for the group name but the courts refused him. And yes, before you ask, I am closer to Blue & Gerald, & Kenny too, never was with Sonny. Thats about as much as I am able to discuss here. That was already more than I wanted to tell. I hope that will end this dicussion.
S.S. |
Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
5-Doyen
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 252
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 11:40 pm: �� | ��� |
Soul Sister, for my part, consider discussion ended, Thank you for answering my question, I appreciate it!
Juice |
Soul Sister (soul_sister)
4-Laureate
Username: soul_sister
Post Number: 122
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.73.160.101
| | Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 11:51 pm: �� | ��� |
Juice;
No problem.
I thought you'd be at Felix's dance tonight?
Kev-go, kev-lo, Vonnie & my friend Tiny too!! (?)
Vonnie, why aren't you out dancing like you promised???
S.enquiringmindwantstoknow?S. |
Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
5-Doyen
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 259
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
| | Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 12:35 am: �� | ��� |
Oh my goodness, I forgot all about it. I work Weekends & I'm about to go to bed now. Someone's got to get your mail ready & I'm one of those someones. I love your stories S.S. Either you have to send me some of them, or write that book!
Peace & say hi to Jimmy for me!
Juice |
roger (roger)
3-Pundit
Username: roger
Post Number: 42
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.35.87.17
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 5:24 am: �� | ��� |
Hello Everyone.
There were two groups called IMPACT.
In the late '70s there was the group on Atco who had an R&B hit with "Happy Man", courtesy of SDs very own BOBBY ELI. I have the L.P. with this on and it is really good!!
This group were from Baltimore and consisted of DAMON HARRIS, JOHN SIMMS, DONALD TILGHMAN and CHARLES TIMMONS. I believe that before Damon's stint with the Tempts they were known as THE VANDALS?
DAMON HARRIS was, of course, a one time member of THE TEMPTATIONS and sang the "high" parts on songs like "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" and "Take A Look Around".
But there was also another group called IMPACT from Washington D.C. who did an L.P. called "Its A Groove Night" on the Full-Scale label in the mid-late 80's ( not sure of the exact year and there are no clues on the L.P. sleeve ).
This L.P. credits AL JOHNSON ( presumably he of "Back for More" and THE UNIFICS fame ), as songwriter and arranger on many of the tracks. For an '80s L.P. its pretty good .. nice vocals and its not too drowned out with synths and drum machines IMO.
This Washington group consisted of JEFF HOLDEN, CLINT McINTYRE and JOHN "BERNARD" MILLS.
As Washington D.C. and Baltimore are near each other I would be surprised if they were unaware of each others existence and I wonder who took the name first? On the Washington groups L.P. they look to be in their 40s, so maybe it was them.
Roger. |