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  Nikki (45rpmgal) 2-Debutant Username: 45rpmgal Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.206.46.218 |
I'm once again going thru more boxes of my uncataloged 45s, and need some info before filing them in my "updated" 45s boxes. Who are the Debs? Anyone know any of their names? Are they a Detroit group? Any info appreciated. P.S. Produced by Robert Bateman! Thanx, Nikki  | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 4-Laureate Username: robb_k Post Number: 78 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.17.33 |
I, too, am very curious to know if this was a Correc-Tone Production, as were the Wilson Pickett records on Double-L and The Herman Griffin. The Johnny Dunn and The Buddy Lamp were clearly Detroit productions, but I'm not sure if they also came from Correc-Tone. Batemen Produced them, however, and some of those songs were published by Brianbert (his own publishing co.)-so I assume they were likely brought along to Lloyd Price's and Logan's L.A. Label to get Liberty's national distribution. The difference is that The Debs' record was published by Angie Music, and were written by Monique Forbes (a goup member?) and Bob Stevenson and James Shaw (writers who wrote for Willie Kendricks on Golden World). I wonder if they were an early version of The Debonaires or Debutantes? Does anyone recognise Monique Forbes as a Detroit singer? | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 3-Pundit Username: acooolcat Post Number: 32 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.227 |
Nikki What do these two sides sound like? My guess is it's a New York recording produced by Robert Bateman - but that's just a guess. Willie Kendrick told me his GW songs were penned by New York songwriters, and Mr. Wingate simply bought the song when they were in NY. After Robert Bateman had a hits with Pickett's "It's Too Late" and "If You Need Me" he probaby did this Debs' 45. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 4-Laureate Username: robb_k Post Number: 79 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.17.240 |
Wilson Pickett's and Herman Griffin's Doubl-L sides sound like they were recorded in Detroit. Buddy Lamp's do also. Johnny Dunn's cuts were arranged by Lonnie Levister, who arranged recordings for Harry Balk and also for Sammy Turner's Motown cuts. Did HE operate out of NY, or Detroit? The Debs cuts sound as if they could have been recorded in NY OR Detroit (mainly because Bateman patterned his NY productions after "The Detroit Sound", and his Correc-Tone Detroit style). I would say "Danger Ahead"-A side, sounds very "Detroitish". It's a soulful midtempo, sounding like some of the JR Detroit Girls group songs. These productions were from early to mid 1963. Had Bateman moved to NY by then? He was still in Detroit at the end of 1962. His earlier Correc-Tone productions were totally produced and recorded in Detroit. I knew he was operating in NY by 1964, but was never sure about the 1963 work. | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 3-Pundit Username: acooolcat Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225 |
Robb When I asked Robert Bateman about one of Pickett's later Double L 45s he told me it was cut in New York. I can't remember which one right now as I gave him my copy - but it'll come back to me. | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 3-Pundit Username: acooolcat Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
Robb - I think it was "It's Too Late." | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 2-Debutant Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 17 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 213.18.222.34 |
I think it's a New York recording - maybe the same Debs as on Mercury. The Double-L single's from '64 by which time Robert Bateman was working in New York. James Shaw is better known as The Mighty Hannibal/ Hannibal/King Hannibal with a long series of records beginning on the West Coast in the fifties through to his excellent deep soul tracks on Aware in the mid seventies. | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 3-Pundit Username: mel Post Number: 67 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.43.74.72 |
I know of the Debs on Mercury records as Davie states the one I can give at the moment is on Mercury number 72566 titled 'the life and soul of the' mel | ||
Nikki (45rpmgal) 2-Debutant Username: 45rpmgal Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.206.46.218 |
Thanx to all of your for your interest and for your responses. I'm still looking for group member's names, but that seems to always be the hardest to find! Anyway, Jim (my "better" half) made an RA file for me to post here, so you can hear both sides. This type of record (both sides) is really my #1 taste -- more transitional (R&B/Soul/Doowop), and really pre-Northern. I guess that shows my age  ))) Nikki http://www.harmonytrain.com/de bs-danger.ram http://www.harmonytrain.com/de bs-fool.ram |
