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mel(andthensome) (mel)
3-Pundit
Username: mel
Post Number: 45
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.154.129.167
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 12:47 am: �� |     ���  |
Soulsister or anyone
can you tell me anything regards The Manhattans record they recorded on a Golden World test pressing titled 'a little lovin'
cheers
mel |
mike s (mike_s)
2-Debutant
Username: mike_s
Post Number: 15
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.93.33.10
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 6:13 am: �� | ��� |
Hi Mel
I may be wrong but I don't think it is the Manhattans group that did Kiss and Say Goodbye.
GW enthusiasts may know more. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
3-Pundit
Username: mel
Post Number: 47
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.154.129.167
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 9:19 am: �� | ��� |
Cheers Mike
can anyone please add anything regards the group etc.
many thanks
mel |
Robb_K (robb_k)
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Username: robb_k
Post Number: 53
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 204.108.65.10
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 4:02 pm: �� | ��� |
The Golden World Manhattans group was made up of Caucasian singers from Detroit. No connection with The NY group. We have at least one (if not more) ex members of that group here on SD. I forget who it is. They had some other records out on small independent Detroit labels. |
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy)
1-Arriviste
Username: ron_murphy
Post Number: 10
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.42.90.140
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 5:38 pm: �� | ��� |
Mel: I have not checked my copy but isn't this title you mention released as GW 14 and as Robb stated above it was a white group. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
3-Pundit
Username: mel
Post Number: 54
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.43.32.124
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 12:20 am: �� | ��� |
Robb/Ron
yes it is number 14 on Golden World records and the only one on the label by them.
I havent heard the record in a long time but caught the name and label whilst going through some tape listings etc.
many thanks for your info.
mel |
acooolcat (acooolcat)
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Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 24
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 210.200.105.225
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 8:21 am: �� | ��� |
Mel
This Manhattans' 45 was Golden World 14 - as Ron stated.
"Just a Little Loving" was written by Bob Hamilton and J. Pashkot.
The flip is titled "Beautiful Brown Eyes" - written by A. Smith and A. Delmore.
I would guess that Pashkot, Smith and Delmore were in the group.
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acooolcat (acooolcat)
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Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 25
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 210.200.105.225
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 9:56 am: �� | ��� |
Mel
There's another "Detroit" 45 by a group called The Manhattans. It's on the Big Mack label, of Bob & Fred fame.
I've only heard one side - "Why Should I Cry" - which is a slow, doowoppish, early-soul number, from around '63.
The flip is titled "Feeling Is Mutual."
I don't know the writer/production credits but IMO this group sounds black, so guess it's a different one to the Golden World outfit.
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Flynny (anoraks_corner)
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Username: anoraks_corner
Post Number: 21
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 213.122.32.88
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 12:04 pm: �� | ��� |
Tis indeed a different group than the more famous one...please note they spell their name ManhattEns...and to save you ploughing through my site, here's the GW test press:
(Any GW completists are welcome to make me large filthy cash offers for it!) |
Nikki (45rpmgal)
2-Debutant
Username: 45rpmgal
Post Number: 15
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.206.46.218
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 12:52 pm: �� | ��� |
Manhattens:
Which group is this one??? Nikki
(Message edited by 45rpmgal on April 21, 2004) |
Nikki (45rpmgal)
2-Debutant
Username: 45rpmgal
Post Number: 17
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.206.46.218
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 1:53 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi Graham,
Mine is only a repro, but should give you some of the info you are looking for. And I DO believe this is a different group, as Flynny states. Nikki
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Robb_K (robb_k)
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Username: robb_k
Post Number: 56
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.81.31.94
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 6:26 pm: �� | ��� |
The Starfire record was done by the NY group that was famous for its Carnival recordings, and went on to DeLuxe and Columbia. Big Mack was a local Detroit label. So, I assume that record was sung by the Detroit (Caucasian) group that recorded for Golden World. |
Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
4-Laureate
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 135
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 6:36 pm: �� | ��� |
Those are the New Jersey Manhattans who were lead by George Smith & Blue Lovett& recorded for Carnival Records.
Juice |
Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
4-Laureate
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 136
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 6:38 pm: �� | ��� |
Nikki, I was referring to the Starfire 45 & photo.
Juice |
acooolcat (acooolcat)
2-Debutant
Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 30
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 210.200.105.226
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 10:35 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi Nikki
I see that Donald Calloway wrote this Big Mack side; he (and his brother?) Larry Calloway wrote both sides of The Gran Prixs' 45 on Big Mack too. Who wrote "Feeling is Mutual"? |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Username: mel
Post Number: 56
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.42.211.233
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 12:14 am: �� | ��� |
Some interesting stuff has come out
many thanks to one and all for there info
cheers
mel
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Nikki (45rpmgal)
2-Debutant
Username: 45rpmgal
Post Number: 18
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.206.46.218
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 11:05 am: �� | ��� |
Hi Graham,
My 45 shows Donald Calloway for "The Feeling is Mutual" also for writer's credits.
Nikki |
lenny (lennytone)
2-Debutant
Username: lennytone
Post Number: 18
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.241.87.19
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 8:15 pm: �� | ��� |
Nikki, Starfire is my old friend Rip's label. Doubt he had the rights to that record, most likely a bootleg. I'm sure Carnival is the original label. |
Robb_K (robb_k)
4-Laureate
Username: robb_k
Post Number: 75
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.81.21.254
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 9:22 pm: �� | ��� |
Rip Lay's Starfire Records were pressed in the '70s, correct? That would mean that it was a re-issue. The flyer states that he licensed the rights (45 rpm?)from Solid Smoke (Rhino's R&B re-release label from the '70s and early '80s). It could be that Solid Smoke had no interest in pressing 45s. I believe they DID release a vinyl 33rpm album on The Manhattans' Carnival cuts. Lay may have leased the 45 rpm rights for very little money, as there wasn't much market. I doubt that he would have had an elaborate jacket or flyer that claimed he had leased the rights from Solid Smoke if it were a bootleg. Solid Smoke People would have seen it. In any case, the original recording was done by Carnival, even though likely unreleased by them during the '60s. |
Soul Sister (soul_sister)
4-Laureate
Username: soul_sister
Post Number: 73
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.73.160.101
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 10:47 pm: �� | ��� |
Nikki;
To cut to the chase "The Manhattans" on the top two you posted are the Jersey City group with my ex "Smitty" singing lead. The bottom record scan is someone else.
Nikki, see my thread on "The Manhattans Photos" in Forum Search November 2003.
Melandthensome;
Hi, I just got in from the Carnegie Hall "gig" for 'The Rain Forest Benefit' put on by Sting & his wife Trudie Styler.
The group you mentioned is not my "Manhattans", NEVER heard of the one from Detroit. Here we go again!LOL!
S.S. |
Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Username: soul_sister
Post Number: 74
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.73.160.101
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 10:55 pm: �� | ��� |
Nikki;
Thats "Smitty" at the very top of the group, a fairly early photo around time of "Can I", "Searching For My Baby", & "I'm The One Love Forgot".
Lennytone;
The original of of the Xmas tunes were on Joe Evan's Carnival label. In fact, of all of Smitty's recordings, his personal favorite was "Alone On New Year's Eve".
S.S. |
Robb_K (robb_k)
4-Laureate
Username: robb_k
Post Number: 76
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.81.29.21
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 11:08 pm: �� | ��� |
Thanks, Soul Sister. I hadn't known they had been released before. Were they on 45s? If so, do you know which number(s)? |
Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Username: soul_sister
Post Number: 79
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.73.160.101
| | Posted on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 12:18 am: �� | ��� |
RobbK;
Unfortaneatly all what is left of my Carnival 45's are sacked away in storage boxes, but for what its worth, if, my memory doesn't fail me, the songs I named are on definately 45's, but I think the Xmas tunes were only on the album but not 100% possitive on those. Where is Rd (?), he may recall about the Xmas & New Year's tunes.(?) RD...?
S.S. |