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isaiah imani (isaiah)
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Post Number: 74
Registered: 8-2004
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The whole Philly International * GoldMind * Salsoul Dance Legacy! Mr. Felder is a man who can get totally overlooked, but no one can ignore the work he did with First Choice, Ecstatcy, Passion, and Pain, Loleatta Holloway, and Double Exposure... This man was a DOCTA, as in Doctor Love, prescribing mad rhythm for millions of dancing feet! Awesome sense for what the public wanted in the 1970's, and quite possibly a father of HipHop... I know that when I first heard Ten Percent, I was home on leave, and hanging out in the park, when some cats brought their equiptment in, and plugged it into a lamp post, and party was on! I was instantly hooked into that song, and to the Hustle that was happening at the time... All that El Coco stuff(Let's Get it Together!) Enuff remembrances, here's a website bio on Allan Felder... I hope you'll enjoy...

http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Al lan%20Felder:1927059332:page=b iography

Peace!
Zeke
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Post Number: 1542
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Yes, Allan was un unsung Philly hero and a GREAT friend.
He and Norman Harris were like a Bacharach and David, a Bell and Creed.
They made magic together as a team.

Allan suffered from an asbestos related lung ailment, although he was a trooper and fought it for as long as he could.
We traveled to NYC and DC together in the last years of his life and even did some projects together.
There is one song which he co wrote which wasnt listed and that song is Risin to the top, by Keni Burke which has been sampled numerous times, including on Mary J.Blige's Love no limit.
he was also instrumental in directing the session of Be thankful for what you got , by William de Vaughan.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Post Number: 2228
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Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 4:13 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What's up Brother Isaiah!!!

Now why'd you have to go & call out Let's Get It Together by El Coco?? Man, it's a nice sunny Labor Day & you just took me back to Summer '76 & now I'm reminiscing on those horns & that rotary organ on Let's Get It Together.

At the same time, I'm remembering the original version of Let No Man Put Asunder & all of that great Salsoul music. Ten Percent, My Love Is Free, Everyman Has To Carry His Own Weight. For all who decry Disco, they must have had rocks in their heads. GOOD Disco music had some of the greatest orchestrations, rhythms & vocals, regardless of genre. Those folks are basically a bunch of eletists, who threw the baby out with the bath water.

Sure there was some banal & inane Disco music. I won't throw any stones by calling any of the producers or artists out. We well know what I'm speaking of. However, Disco at it's best was sublime, extremely musical & has stood the test of time. They called it Disco, but that's not what it was. Disco started out as great R&B/Soul music that you could dance to. Disco was co-opted for those of the "Rhythmless Nation"...four on the floor & all that. I know that you two fellas know what I'm saying here. Some folks simply couldn't dance to all of those stop, start & rolling 32nd note drum rolls.

"Mommy, What's A Funkadelic" indeed!!

Nuff said :-)
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Wonder B (wonder_b)
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Bobby, Risin To The Top is a soul/funk anthem throughout the world... such a great classic...
What a testament to this man's craft...

Wonder B
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Ryon6 (tyrone)
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Registered: 5-2004
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I enjoyed the music of both Allan Felder and Norman Harris. "Walk Right Up To The Sun" was the bomb in the day. "Armed and Extremely Dangerous", "Smarty Pants", loved First Choice. Interesting article as well. Also loved his work with Eddie K.

"Not even a team of wild horses could hold me back no in fact, zero zero, CHAINS can't hold me walls can't stop me nothing can hold me back not when I'm trying to get to you baby baby baby"
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Manny (manny)
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Post Number: 435
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 6:58 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi!

I'm sure that have many Philly gems wich Alan Felder collaborated but by now i only remember totally sure of one of my Eddie Holman's fave: "Immune To Love" (by Harris-Felder-Tyson). He appears in many PIR, Salsoul, Atlantic (Trammps) album credits of my personal collection and i'm gratefully to him as to the other contributors to this great music.

Peace!
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isaiah imani (isaiah)
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 8-2004
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Juice, how do, man!

Your point about so-called disco is quite interesting in that so much of "disco" is PIR/Salsoul material... It seems rather contradictory that folk can trash "disco", and talk about lovin' PIR/Salsoul all in the same breath(smile!) Yes, I know that PIR made a great deal of ballads, but is that all folk liked??? I hardly think so...(smile!)

I just think a lot of folk who don't dig DANCE music are wallflower types who aint never made no noise cuttin' the carpet... R&B-Soul Music is made for movement, not a big ole intellectual project, where people sit and hum, and try to figure out the notes and chords and keys... That's just not what the Harris-Felder team was about...

Like I said, when I first heard that Ten Percent, and later, My Love is Free, it was levitational and involuntary thing(smile1) It just lifted me off my feet, and made me wanna Hustle...

I'm sad to hear that Mr. Felder suffered from the Asbestos syndrome... As someone who worked around a lot of Boilers in old buildings, I know the danger of asbestos... But he and Norman made the kind of music together that kept an entire generation partyin hearty... Hope he and fam got paid...(smile!)

Peace!
Isaiah
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 8:34 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What's up I!!!

You know what I think the problem is?? I think that many have fallen into the trap of labelling all DANCE music of that period, with the generic label, Disco. I believe that they associate the worst of that era: Ethel Merman Does Disco, Disco Duck, Boogie Motion & songs of that ilk, with ALL Danceable music of the 70s.

This is as much tragic, as it is ridiculous. If we go back to the very roots of what became Disco, we find some very interesting names. For example, Eddie Kendricks. Now, would anyone in their right mind label Eddie Kendricks a "DISCO" singer??? Yet, when you listen to his Self-titled LP from 1971 had Keep On Truckin' (clocking in at 8:02) & Darlin' Come Back Home, you're hearing the precursors of the Disco sound. His LP, People Hold On from 1972, featured Date With The Rain, one of the first hustle records & though it was an LP cut, it was immensely popular & one hell of a song, though way too short. His stretched out version of Girl, You Need A Change Of Mind from that LP clocked in at 7:30. It was made for extended dancing for house parties & at the club. Yet, I wouldn't call them "DISCO" records, as that phraseology wasn't in vogue at that point in time.

Were The Spinners a "DISCO" group???? I think not. However, when you listen to their 1972 breakthrough smash I'll Be Around, again, you hear the precursor of Disco. That beat was the very foundation of what became DISCO & is it any wonder that it that Thom Bell & his Philly cohorts were behind that sound???

Add Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes, The O'Jays & other R&B groups & artists to the mix...well, I think that you get my point. So, exactly at what point did this good Soulful R&B music become DISCO???

When some idiotic critics decided that's what it was. It wasn't Disco to us, it was music to dance to & some damn good music at that. Then, the hype started, the marketing geniuses stuck their nose into it & the label heads panicked. Whereas, many artists were making some great dance music, the label heads decided that EVERYONE now had to make Disco music. In spite of the fact that it was their music that inspired Disco, artists like Eddie Kendricks, Curtis Mayfield, et.al, were now being pressured into making OBVIOUS Disco records. The originators were being forced to copy the copiers of THEIR own music & style.

Ain't that a kick in the head???
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count (the_count)
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Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 8:44 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Love H.M.and the BLUENOTES,
but this "STINKS"
It will have a date with the band saw as soon as all my beatles albums have been kut up,
which i do every FEB..
"COUNT"
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Charise (mistrivia1)
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Post Number: 544
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Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 8:48 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah it is Juice, just like when I go to the record stores and they put Britney Spears, 98 Degrees,NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, etc..etc.... in the Soul section--Why!!!!!!!! I find myself asking myself and others who pass by, Why?? Just because they have soulful music??? Okay, I give Justin a little something, he did kill on the song called "Gone" but I'm sorry, Britney is a good marketing tool, but singer, NO!!!! Soul could be defined a lot of ways, but what they do is not one of them. Please don't get me started!!!

(Message edited by Mistrivia1 on September 06, 2004)
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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DON'T DO IT COUNT!!!!! You can likely sell it to someone. That seems to be a pretty popular song with some of the Northern Soul crowd. As for The Beatles, you should be able to get a Hummer from the sales of your Beatles material!!!

Re Re: I hear you. I'm not gonna bother talking about todays R&B scene & the Soulful artists like Justin or Brittney.

They're our payback for Hip Hop & us wearing Jheri Curls & the Gumby look back in the 80s.

It's called Bad Karma :-)
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Charise (mistrivia1)
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OOOOh, you had the Jheri Curl and the Gumby look or just one or the other-LOL......
You are right about the Beatles, I wished I had some albums in NM or M. I saw the album with the cut up baby dolls going for a thousand in one store. I find myself laughing at some of the prices for some records from my own collection, I'm holding on to my stuff, though....
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count (the_count)
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Post Number: 81
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Here is the B-----s album that has
the date with the band saw on
FEB.10th. 2005.(sick f---ers)
I dont sell any of my kollection or trade them
and all the beatles albums i have(31 left)
were given to me, which i've never played
but the band saw has a pretty sharp stylist.
"COUNT"
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Post Number: 1545
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Isaiah,

At the time of Allan's passing, he was still waiting to collect on the asbestos case.
I sure hope that his wife is reaping the the monetary compensation by now.

Although he never received a dime from his Salsoul/Gold Mind stuff, he did get paid god for Risin to the top and its subsequent sample usage and fortunately, he was still with us during The M.J.B. usage.

As far as the PIR stuff goes, NO ONE got their real money for their writing contributions until November of 1990 when Mighty Three Music was sold to Warner Chappell, and thats common knowledge within the industry.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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COUNT!!! DON'T DO IT!!!! That "butcher" cover will fetch you a pretty good penny. You could buy yourself a high tech stereo system with the proceeds from that LP. That couple of grand will feel real good in your pocket round bout December 23rd. Think about it Count, DON'T DO IT!!!!
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Juice, et al,

As studio cats, we never viewed the music we did during that period as "Disco" except of course, for the "blatant stuff" which we played on while gritting our teeth!
Even Disco Inferno was an r&b song to us!
We were "soul men" , but we werent ones to turn down a payday, and we always gave our best no matter what the musical genre.
There were ,of course a lot of "outside" clients who came to us for "that Philly Sound", but in a lot of cases, the songs didnt measure up, except for people like the great van Mc Coy and the great Dave Crawford, who were both consumate professionals and wonderful down to earth people.

Count,
That record is worth some major bucks!!
I guess you know that, though(smile)
You'll even be able to buy yourself a new "Thompson " and a new "shank", capice??@#$^()(smile)
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1wicked (1wicked)
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Juice: That's been my stand since Day1. It's like this...All Disco is "dance music", but all "dance music" is NOT disco.
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Charise (mistrivia1)
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Post Number: 548
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I know that's right, hey you might as well get something out of it!!!!!! You should see what they are going for on ebay-in 1st 2nd & 3rd state!
Also on Gemm. There is one on ebay that is going for over 6,000 and that is without the record!!
Oh My!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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