Soulful DetroitArchives - July 2004 � Diana divas out at VMA awards Previous Next

Author Message
Top of pageBottom of page

Jimmy Mack (luke)
6-Zenith
Username: luke

Post Number: 580
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 64.12.116.138
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 3:35 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Per the NYDaily News today our Miss Ross was in grand form and threw a big old fit because a publicist asked her after he asked Marlon Wayans(who apparently said OK) to take a pic for a charity auction of, says the reporter "celebs kissing a square of cardboard for pucker print--I will draw a curtain over the carnage that ensued...but never NEVER ask Miss Ross to kiss a square of cardboard." Cant she just say no thanks??--she really needs to get a grip. Nice pic of her and her sons though.
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1463
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.236.25.141
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 3:40 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, what else is new, I ask?
Top of pageBottom of page

Satipe (satipe)
3-Pundit
Username: satipe

Post Number: 49
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.50.137.38
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 6:33 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

These types of stories make me very angry and I am going to vent!

I will never support the idea of a fan saying "I buy your records/CD's and it is the fans that make you so do this for me" as there are too many crazy people out there. The artist has a right to say no as the same way a fan can choose to buy their product. If a request for an autograph, etc. is denied, it should be done in a diplomatic and polite manner; the same way any business person would conduct him/herself.

I'm sorry but it is my opinion that once a person decides to step into the limelight, s/he should expect requests ranging from autographs to kissing a 1" piece of card board. Granted some people can be difficult but a simple no thank you can go a long way.

I know I come here and mention "my kids" all the time because I love them and the LAST person I would ever want them to meet is Diana Ross. I know that all you read is not true but there is enough out there that must be as she is difficult all the time. Why would I want kids to meet someone who may smile with them but again may be a b*tch? How could I let such a meeting happen when I know I am being a fraud?

Sorry if I have angered Diana Ross fans but her attitude gets me angry. It would not be tolerated in most other work fields so why should it be tolerated at all?
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1473
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.236.25.141
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:11 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I second that emotion, Satipe!
Top of pageBottom of page

Vickie (vickie)
4-Laureate
Username: vickie

Post Number: 83
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 64.236.243.31
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:16 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

here we go again....
Top of pageBottom of page

Moe (moe)
5-Doyen
Username: moe

Post Number: 248
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.140.8.177
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:18 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you, Satipe!!
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1475
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.236.25.141
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:20 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its nothing but the truth!
She needs to learn how to come back down to earth from that star trip that is so over and passe!!!

Just my opinion and not meant to offend her loyal subjects.
Top of pageBottom of page

Vickie (vickie)
4-Laureate
Username: vickie

Post Number: 84
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 64.236.243.31
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:24 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

:-) Bobby
Top of pageBottom of page

NYC Diva (nyc_diva)
3-Pundit
Username: nyc_diva

Post Number: 51
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.237.222.69
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:25 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No disrespect meant...but Diana should be grateful that anyone is still paying her any mind these days. It's not like she's in the spotlight or anything, except if you want to talk about the DWI charge. That diva crap is old as dirt and she needs to give it a rest.
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1477
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.236.25.141
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:29 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you NYC Diva!
AND...I will reiterrate...CUT OFF THAT AWFUL WEAVE GIRL!!!!!!!!!
Its REALLY passe!!!!
Top of pageBottom of page

GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl)
5-Doyen
Username: gogogirl

Post Number: 316
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 69.1.9.65
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:29 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greetings All,

I read that 'lil bit about Diana. Someone was trying to get Diana to place her lips on a piece of cardboard. Who here would put their lips on a piece of cardboard, and especially not knowing where the cardboard had been? Roaches might have skated all over it.

Besides all that - we weren't there so we don't know how it all went down. The person might have been a little too pushy. I am not a celeb - but I would back someone up off of me too if I declined to pucker up just because I was asked - and then perhaps harassed or pressured after I refused. I would have sung and told them that 'ole Brothers Johnson tune (right) - "Get The F__K Up Out My Face." LOL!

Diana doesn't owe anybody her lips on a piece of cardboard. And - there are many celebs that will back someone up off of them if said person is out of line or over the line. I know I would if I was a celeb or not. I'll tell 'ya!
Top of pageBottom of page

~medusa~ (~medusa)
6-Zenith
Username: ~medusa

Post Number: 628
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 68.250.175.48
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:32 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think they call those kind of folks~
STARS
SUPERSTARS
CELEBRITIES
ENTERTAINERS
VIPs'
...anyway it's a very forgotten fact, that after the bright lights go out, and the curtains close, these same folks we look up to and spend our hard earned $$$ on their shows, products etc.
Some of them make you remember that they eat, sleep, sh*t(and it stinks), breathe, get sick & die just like the rest of us.
So, when you get right down to it...What????
.think about it, think about it, think about it.
(LOL)
and I 3rd that emotion Satipe.
There are a lot of artists like that. There's a popular female singer, that I wouldn't buy her records, Tapes, CD's at a thrift store, because she has a very not nice attitude
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1479
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.236.25.141
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:34 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Right on Medusa!!
You know what time it is, girl!
Top of pageBottom of page

Vickie (vickie)
4-Laureate
Username: vickie

Post Number: 85
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 64.236.243.31
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:35 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I looked for the article on The NY Daily News site but didn't see it.

It' not clear to me what supposedly happened....
I missed the entire VMA show....No clue what happened.

I'm not gonna stick up for her just yet...don't know if she is guilty or innocent...I need to know the whole scoop..I still love her music and voice, (let me just plug that for the millionth time here HAHAHA)

Signed,

Loyal Subject :-)
Top of pageBottom of page

NYC Diva (nyc_diva)
3-Pundit
Username: nyc_diva

Post Number: 53
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.237.222.69
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:35 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bobby: EXACTLY!! That weave looks like a rat's nest. If she's gonna wear one at least get a new style!

Gogo: I hear what you're saying. She certainly doesn't owe anyone enough to do that, but she didn't have to be nasty about it. All she needed to do was politely decline, and that would have been the end of it. No, instead she wants to make a scene and show out like the person asked her to kiss their a$$. There is absolutely no reason for that. Is it any wonder why she has such a bad rep?
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1480
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.236.25.141
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:39 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love her classic music and voice to, but I abhor that nasty attitude of hers.
I will always remember Ms Ross as she was in the sixties and NOT whathas become of her.
Kind of reminds me of the lead character in Sunset Boulevard!
Pity!!
Top of pageBottom of page

Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20

Post Number: 2117
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:41 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You know, a month ago, I would have absolutely ripped her a new one. After meeting so many gracious people at The PBS taping, it's hard to bite my tongue. I mean, to see an ICON like Frankie Valli take the time to impart some musical knowledge to two young R&B singers, is what music should be about. Frankie had had a long day....a very long day. He could have blown these kids off & everyone would have understood it. He was tired, yet took a good 10 minutes to talk to these kids. If memory serves me correctly, they were with Carol Douglas.

They showed him a copy of a CD they made & he was talking to them about the types of songs they could record. I was waiting to take a picture with him & so were many others. I didn't have the heart to interrupt them for a silly picture, so I waited. When he finished, he gladly posed for pictures.

I saw St Clair Lee of The Hues Corporation save they day for two young dancers of Denny Terrios', who were going to be bumped from the show due to time constraints. On the video that I shot, you can plainly see St Claire pointing at the ground, directly next to him. He was making sure that those kids, who had waited all day, would be seen on TV, or at least on the DVD.

I could go on & on about the behavior of the performers over that two day taping. I simply mention these two, as an example of CLASS. I stood talking to Jimmy Ellis of The Trammps, who couldn't stop smiling & giving honor to his Creator, as people took pictures of him & shook his hand almost non-stop. Such humility, the man was almost embarassed by the attention.

To sum it up, either you have class, or you don't. You can't sell it & you damn sure can't buy it. The performers that I was around for two days, were gracious, friendly & appreciative. They loved the fact that so many people appreciated their music & appreciated their talent.

Throwing no stones at anyone, I'll leave it at that :-)

(Message edited by juicefree20 on August 30, 2004)
Top of pageBottom of page

~medusa~ (~medusa)
6-Zenith
Username: ~medusa

Post Number: 629
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 68.250.175.48
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:41 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Go Go Girl..
Dam I hate to say this, but I can imagine her her lips has a history on other than cardboard...(Dam it)like maybe a straw or paper cup, or a napkin, or some half cleaned silverware at some (fancy) restaruant.
Sorry, No Offense, and I loved the Supremes very much, but she needs to quit it.
Top of pageBottom of page

Vickie (vickie)
4-Laureate
Username: vickie

Post Number: 86
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 64.236.243.31
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:43 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess I am jaded ..I've seen some celebs do much worse than diva out like that ......

signed,

Loyal Subject
(in denial)
Top of pageBottom of page

Vickie (vickie)
4-Laureate
Username: vickie

Post Number: 87
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 64.236.243.31
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:47 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Juice,

I think I'll leave it alone too.. :-)

I've seen many times the kind of day that you have expereinecd at PBS, and I have seen the other side of ther coin too.....


Signed,
Loyal Subject
:-)
Top of pageBottom of page

Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20

Post Number: 2119
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:51 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Medusa :-) I'm feeling you on that. A little restraint always helps. I'm not a star, but I'm wise enough to know the power of restraint. This forum has taught me a lot about that.

Vickie: You're right. There certainly have been worse acts committed by celebrities. I just wish that someone of her stature would start playing UP to her stature, instead of playing DOWN to the negative stereotypes that the word "DIVA" conjures up. There's no excuse for crassness.

I admire your loyalty & like Tupac said: "I ain't mad at 'cha" :-)
Top of pageBottom of page

GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl)
5-Doyen
Username: gogogirl

Post Number: 317
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 69.1.9.65
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 9:52 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All

Why talk about her weave? How is how she wears her hair hurting anyone here that does not like it? She gots plenty of money - so that must not be the problem. To her - she has no problem - and no one here is paying her bills - so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

It is so meanspirited to talk about another. What is the point? How would some here feel if some here made fun of how they looked? I mean mannnnnnn - it is no fun to have folks pick on you and/or how you look. Too skinny - too fat. Says who? Like my father always says - as long as no one is paying my bills but me - they don't have "Shoot" to say to me.

I read the bit - and in it - there was no quotes on what was said by who. A resounding "NO" by Diana would have some calling her names. It really does not make any sense to say she should have been polite. Who says? The piece didn't say she showed out.

The bottom line is as far as Ms. Ross goes is this. She has millions of fans, and most likely more than most on this board. She is loaded. And she will leave a great legacy for her children, and they love her. There really isn't too much more she could ask for - other than to continue to praise God.

If it makes one feel good to put down another for whatever reason - then have at it.
Top of pageBottom of page

Vickie (vickie)
4-Laureate
Username: vickie

Post Number: 88
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 64.236.243.31
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 10:00 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Go Get Gone Girl,

You almost got me started defending my girl again...But I'm gonna behave today.

Juice - ignorance is bliss soemtimes in this business..

Signed,
Still a Loyal Subject
Top of pageBottom of page

Vickie (vickie)
4-Laureate
Username: vickie

Post Number: 89
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 64.236.243.31
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 10:02 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you know, I just love that Diana brings so much out of people...I mean really...

she can bring extremes out of people, the discussuions that she has inspired..my, my.
Top of pageBottom of page

GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl)
5-Doyen
Username: gogogirl

Post Number: 318
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 69.1.9.65
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 10:03 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All,

Medusa - I disagree with that. I wouldn't put my lips on a piece of cardboard. So - you are saying that she should have just because she was asked to? I don't get that and never will.

What does she need to quit? I'd try to hurt someone that tried to make me kiss anything I didn't want to. There is no way on God's green earth that she should have done a DAMN thing that she didn't want to do. And again - I would try to hurt someone that tried to get me to do something that I didn't want to.

I think it is ludicrous for anyone to claim that Diana was out of line because she didn't want to kiss a piece of cardboard.

Diana just like all of us have the right to our - SPACE. And just because someone is in the public eye - doesn't mean that they have to do everything that they are asked to do.

Let's ask one of our celebs - for instance. Mr. Weldon would you have puckered up to a piece of cardboard? Anyone else? LOL!



(Message edited by gogogirl on August 30, 2004)
Top of pageBottom of page

Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20

Post Number: 2122
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 10:12 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Go Go,

I hate to admit this, but I likely would have done it on a lark. Hey, I'm a little crazy that way. Then again, I'm certainly no celebrity :-)

Vickie: It's alright. Don't be ashamed, I'm going to start a therapeutic organization. I'm going to call it "True Believers" :-)
Top of pageBottom of page

GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl)
5-Doyen
Username: gogogirl

Post Number: 319
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 69.1.9.65
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 10:18 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All,

Juice - I remember a poster cracking on some of the pics you posted. Now was that fun? I couldn't live with myself if I were to crack on someone here - whose pic I viewed on this site. Now that wouldn't be polite.

Diana probably gave them folks a "LOOK" and mannnnnn - but that did it. That might have been all it took. I know my mother was famous for giving us that "LOOK" that only a mama could. LOL!
Top of pageBottom of page

Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20

Post Number: 2126
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 10:24 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Go Go,

I never take it personal when someone cracks on me. I have a pretty good sense of self & my sense of humor is usually self-deprecating. I don't take myself too seriously, but it doesn't shatter me if someone doesn't think that I'm cute. Hey, there are a few ladies who find me adorable & Mom doesn't run away from me. Heck, babies have finally stopped crying when they see my face so, I guess that I'm doing ok.

Besides, it's a pretty good defense, if I do say so myself. Wild stray dogs don't have the nerve to step to me. They cross they street when I'm on the set!!

Hmmm....wonder why that is :-)

(Message edited by juicefree20 on August 31, 2004)
Top of pageBottom of page

GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl)
5-Doyen
Username: gogogirl

Post Number: 320
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 69.1.9.65
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 10:37 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All,

I hear 'ya Juice.

My last point on this subject is this. Lowell & David have a lot more folks tuning into this site than ever before. That fact alone would be enough for me to watch my manners and what I say.

I heard recently that even Kenny Gamble tunes into this site. I noticed that one of the original Vandellas tunes in. And with SDF making the newspapers here lately - I'm sure more folks - fans and celebs are checking out this site.

I have a feeling that one day - someone is going to get called out - for real. Putting down others these days is not a good bet IMO - because "Someone Is Watching You & Me" & we never know who it tis.

Again - this is the last time I'll jump into discussions where someone is being bashed. I've given my take on it - so in my continuing to harp on this or that point (which are mine)- is getting old - even to me. LOL!

Have a good nite all. And especially the celebs that sometimes "Stop On By." "Chaka - Kahn"
Top of pageBottom of page

Charise (mistrivia1)
6-Zenith
Username: mistrivia1

Post Number: 460
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 198.81.26.46
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 10:42 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello ALL, okay some of you all done lost your minds up in here, up in here-LOL. I came in here to see what is happening and it is HOT IN HERE!!!!
Go-Get-Gone-Girl-LMBOOTF on the Roaches! I will not comment as I was not there and did not witness, but Ce la vie. I love y'all for the comedy though, especially after a long day at work!!! I needed a good laugh and all of you all gave me that and more!!!! Never a dull moment on SDF, just like family!!!!:-):-):-):-):-)
Top of pageBottom of page

Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20

Post Number: 2130
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 10:43 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Go Go,

That is a good point. I'm trying to get a few of the folks whom I've met to come & visit here. Some of them aren't into computers just yet & some are very busy. However, you never know if they'll drop in. Others have people who clue they in on what's happening here.

The tentacles of the internet do run deep & their reach extends pretty far, at that.
Top of pageBottom of page

marv (marv)
4-Laureate
Username: marv

Post Number: 79
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 152.163.252.200
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 12:21 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Go Get Gone Girl. Have you ever wondered why it always seem to be Diana Ross that is "misunderstood" when it comes to the public and her "alleged" Diva behavior? I mean, that incident with the security woman at Heathrow Airport wasn't Diane's fault either, huh? I believe she does the things reported about her.
Top of pageBottom of page

NYC Diva (nyc_diva)
3-Pundit
Username: nyc_diva

Post Number: 54
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.236.150.160
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 12:46 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Marv: There are always people that are going to defend their musical (or otherwise) idols, so that I'm used to. They will continuously make excuse after excuse for these celebrities when they know deep down that their behavior isn't justifiable. Being misunderstood is one thing, just being plain BITCHY is another...and unfortunately that is Diana's attitude...like the world owes HER their undying loyalty just because she was the lead singer of the Supremes and had some solo hits. Whoop dee damn do! I'm not going to bend over backward defending her because of that, it makes no sense. And what kills me is that there are people who have the nerve to defend this type of behavior just because she's "Miss Ross" but if it was the average Joe or Jane acting this way, they would be poppin all types of junk about them. Please!
Top of pageBottom of page

~medusa~ (~medusa)
6-Zenith
Username: ~medusa

Post Number: 630
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 68.79.92.249
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 7:11 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hahahaha, well Go Go Girl, I'm not even a famous person, let alone a celebrity, just a regular human being...maybe that's why I see no harm in kissing a peice of cardboard for a few folks that have loved me for years.
Kissing ass is another thing, but a piece of cardboard (for a split second). I'm sure they didn't get the cardboard from the nearesst trash can...what's the BIG deal anyway?
Top of pageBottom of page

marv (marv)
4-Laureate
Username: marv

Post Number: 80
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 205.188.116.138
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 8:08 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Medusa, I don't know what the big deal is, but I can imagine the real deal is Diana Ross is still the same Diana Ross she's always been! LOL
Top of pageBottom of page

GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl)
5-Doyen
Username: gogogirl

Post Number: 321
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 69.1.9.65
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 9:20 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Morning All,

Marv - we've heard before about certain celebs so-called Diva ways. Thru all those reports - we weren't there so we don't know for sure if the reports we heard are true all of the time. And we don't know all the circumstances about this particular tidbit of info about how Diana acted like a Diva.

Maybe Russ and Weldon and the like - that knew Diana never have seen that so-called side of her. From what I understand - they like her. So for every person that feels the need to slam Diana - and does not like her - there are those that do like her. I never stated that she was "Misunderstood." I stated that she had the right to tell anyone that asked her to do something - "No." It really is that simple.

NYC Diva. I am making no excuses for Diana's ways. Whether it be Diana or Mary or whomever - I think it is just wrong to come to a public forum and crack or bash anyone - period. It matters little who the person is. None us us are all that - and we shouldn't feel free to bash someone that is not here to defend themselves. May haps one day - one of Diana's children will learn of this site - and feel the need to jump in to defend their mother.

So from the piece mentioned here - you bring up whether the world owes Diana some undying loyalty. Who said anyone owed her anything? You are certainly not required to like or appreciate her - or be a fan.

And what way did she act? The piece didn't say. Because Diana refused to kiss a piece of cardboard - by letting whomever asked her to know that she was certainly not interested - she should be villified?

It appears as if some of the old baggage attributed to Diana is what some are falling back on. The books and stories about how Diana treated others and the like are at the root of this debate. When were the books written? When was the last time Diana's Diva ways were in the news - other than at that airport in England - where she pinched that policewomen's breast? How many so-called stars and celebs would have kissed that cardboard?

Medusa - there is no big deal. That is the point. In Diana's mind - she didn't want to kiss the cardboard - so they needed to move on to the next person. We all have the right to refuse to do something we don't want. I can't be convinced that she was WRONG because whe didn't want to have her lips imprinted on a piece of cardboard. She had the RIGHT to say no thanks to that request - and she did it. Would we want our right to say "No" taken away from us? Regardless of how much one dislikes Diana - she still had the right to say "No" - and I don't care if they cleaned the cardboard right in front of her eyes and lips.

We could be here all day bringing up the stuff that has been said here about some of the celebs we talk about. Anita Baker - Aretha - Luther - just to name a few - and the band played on. It seems that some like to dwell in the negative by talking and gossiping about others. I am not defendng Diana. I am defending her right to say no. I am defending her right to be herself. We all have that right. And I could care less who likes her or not.

The devil is always busy though. I just bought a good book. The title is: "Eight Ways To Keep The Devil Under Our Feet." See within it - one learns that they are not perfect and neither are any others. Only God is perfect. And often times the devil is behind many of our negative thoughts - for real. The devil is just as real as God is. Yet - God is more powerful. God = good indeed.
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1481
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.19.128
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 11:03 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For the record,

I HAVE witnessed her "highness" in her best divaness.
I was recording in the same NYC recording studio where she was recording.
She was showing out the entire time.

I have also seen her glue her eye shut while applying her false eyelashes, when waiting to be picked up for a dinner date, and had to be taken to the hospital.

I have also witnessed MANY humble artists with much more going on than Diana Ross.
Top of pageBottom of page

GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl)
5-Doyen
Username: gogogirl

Post Number: 323
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 69.1.9.65
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 12:09 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey All,

The point is Mr. Eli - why crack on Diana at all? Ok - so she is a bitch in some folks eyes. That can be said about many folks I would guess.

Is there anyone that has ever known you to act up or out over something? Have you ever been mad or angry at something and someone saw you get upset or go off. I am not excusing Diana's behavior. I am just pointing out that none of us should be able to throw the first stone.

Remember some have nailed Anita as a B. The entire entertainment industry is made up of human beings. They all have emotions and get upset.

I repect you all's opinions on the subject - so don't get me wrong. You have your opinion and I have mine. We are just agreeing to disagree here - and we are still debating the issue. I hope to be respectul thru it all.

If the points made about Diana are attributed to her sinning by being this way or that - then my God - God will forgive her. Has she ever stolen - killed - adultry - smoked crack - and so on and so on. Not all of the aforementioned are sins - but you get my point. God will judge Diana.

I am sure many of us wouldn't want some of the folks that have been around us to tell others all the sides to us. If Diana has a bad attitude - diva style and some more stuff - the point is - why is it so important to keep pointing those things out about her? Why is it necessary to belabor the point that Diana is ____________.

I would think for every person that talked about another - someone else is talking about said person. For every crack one says about another - there are some that can't wait to point out those said people's faults. In someone's eyes - we all have faults. Do we worry about it - or do we keep on going?

I'm not going to let anyone steal my joy. That is the bottom line. One has to live one's life for one's self - and as long as one doesn't put one's hands on another - maim or kill another - and so on - they should be able to live one's life the way they see fit - because they know who their final Judge is.

Lastly - Diana has it going on for herself. She could care less what we think of her. If she never performs again - she will be alright.

PS. And one more point about one's age. Many folks on this board are sixty or over, and/or the artists we speak on are. Should they hang it up? Should they be glad when someone wants to give them the time of day - by sticking a mic in their faces? Diana will always have an audience when she is on stage - I would bet. Even when she is 70. Oh my that is soooooo old. We can ask Mr. Scott if age matters - or if it is just a number.

Talent is a gift and blessing. And as long as the talent remains - age doesn't matter.

(Message edited by gogogirl on August 31, 2004)
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1482
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.19.128
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 12:23 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why are yo so defensive ms Go go?
I am only expressing MY opinion, and as you say, I AM entitled to it, right?
I am not doubting ms Ross' talent, as we all know she most certainly is talented, but there is NO need for her lousy attitude and disrespect to her fans,(and most everyone else) the very people who "idolize"(sic)her and who made her.
Top of pageBottom of page

GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl)
5-Doyen
Username: gogogirl

Post Number: 324
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 69.1.9.65
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 12:46 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All,

Eli - if we were to learn or knew things about folks we discuss here in the biz - or our friends and relatives - we could crack on them for whatever reason all day. We can always find something negative to say about someone - and especially someone we don't like. But how hard is it to say something nice and positive about someone. It is your right to dislike Diana and and voice your opinions. I have no problem with it. We just agree to disagree about whether or not she is the only person in the ent. field that has every done wrong in someone else's eyes.

We could be here all day discussing negative things we've heard about people in the entertainment field - and that is my point.

As far as some fans idolizing Diana - I am not one of them. I appreciate her as a human being first - and an entertainer second. I accept the things I can't change when it comes to anyone - and I realize that - none us us live in a glass house.

I suspect that most of her fans that pay to see her - get their money's worth - and that is all they as so-called fans should expect. In some folks eyes - she is the epitome of evil because of her diva ways - well then - God will get her - just like He will get us for our evil and mean-spirted ways.



(Message edited by gogogirl on August 31, 2004)
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1484
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.19.128
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 1:18 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm thru...said my piece...and that's that!
Top of pageBottom of page

GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl)
5-Doyen
Username: gogogirl

Post Number: 325
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 69.1.9.65
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 1:24 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All,

Me too Bobby.

Eli - I love the song "I Just Don't Want To Be Lonely." Kudos to you for writing that song.
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1487
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.19.128
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 1:28 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Gogo!!

That song was our very first gold record and it is very special to me for that reason, as well as reflecting on a very happy and peaceful time in my life..
Top of pageBottom of page

GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl)
5-Doyen
Username: gogogirl

Post Number: 326
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 69.1.9.65
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 1:33 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All,

Well Eli - I am telling you - it is a bomb song. "All The Lonely People." Many folks problems stems from being lonely indeed. Me - I love my independence - but wouldn't mind sharing it with a good man. "When I Fall In Love"

"I'D RATHER BE LOVED - NEEDED - DEPENDED ON TO GIVE A LOVE I CAN"T GIVE - WHEN YOU'RE GONE" "I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE LONEEEEEEEEELY" LOL!

(Message edited by gogogirl on August 31, 2004)
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1488
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 70.16.143.158
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 2:26 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

way cool, GoGo!!
I can almost hear you sing that refrain as I read it!(smile)
Top of pageBottom of page

~medusa~ (~medusa)
6-Zenith
Username: ~medusa

Post Number: 633
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 68.249.44.77
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 2:50 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

GO Go GIrl, I know how you feel about folks talking 'bout Diane Ross. I feel the same way when folks talk about Ms. Franklin. I didn't mean any harm... and as I said before, the Supremes were my favorite Girl Group. I never said I disliked her, I don't even know her personally.
Top of pageBottom of page

motownboy (motownboy)
2-Debutant
Username: motownboy

Post Number: 28
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 67.119.56.185
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 6:18 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey, looking at the response this thread has generated in a little over 24 hours, the diva still has the power to create a lot of interest -- especially from Mr. Bobby Eli!!

Bobby E -
Don't ya wish you had the opportunity back in the mid 1970s to produce DR at Sigma? I am sure we would all still be talking about that "marriage of talent."
Top of pageBottom of page

marv (marv)
4-Laureate
Username: marv

Post Number: 81
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 149.174.164.24
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 9:13 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think someone who cares about Diana Ross should sit her down and have a talk with her and explain to her it is not always necessary to be mean and nasty to people especially over something so small, so trivial. That's about all folks! LOL
Top of pageBottom of page

Lady Mystique (ladymystique)
6-Zenith
Username: ladymystique

Post Number: 654
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 216.37.228.103
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 10:58 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know...a photo op and I have been out of the eye for a while...I'd jump to it! :-)
Top of pageBottom of page

Vickie (vickie)
4-Laureate
Username: vickie

Post Number: 91
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 198.81.26.46
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 1:05 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with Motown Boy...she creates interest.
(fights, babble, debates and very good coversations at times)

Diana stirs things up, her image is part of the package......her talents of course for me is the biggest part....

She is someone in history who EVERYONE has an opinion about - just like Cher or others who have been known to DiVA OUT once in a while...
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1490
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 205.188.116.138
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 11:02 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Motownboy,
Of course I would haved loved to have produced ms Ross.
Who wouldnt?

Her voice coupled with the right song and production would have been a feather in the cap for TSOP.

Of course, she would have had to check her ego at the door!
Top of pageBottom of page

Vickie (vickie)
4-Laureate
Username: vickie

Post Number: 92
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 198.81.26.46
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 11:08 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would say that your love songs Bobby and her voice would be beautiful together...

since she's making a comeback, can you send Paulie to get her....

then make beautiful music - Eli and Diana...

((((((((((heaven)))))))))))
Top of pageBottom of page

dvdmike (dvdmike)
5-Doyen
Username: dvdmike

Post Number: 331
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.208.234.85
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 12:27 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

CELEBRITIES AND BALDERDASH!!
By the way, Mr Eli. I'm ready for my closeup!
Top of pageBottom of page

Charise (mistrivia1)
6-Zenith
Username: mistrivia1

Post Number: 479
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 198.81.26.46
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 11:11 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Eli!! Okay, now did you try to help her with the eyelash mishap?
Top of pageBottom of page

Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman

Post Number: 1500
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 205.188.116.138
Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 9:09 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Charise,

She was in the lobby of the studio(Power Station, NYC) waiting for Julio Iglesias to pick her up for dinner.
It was during the time they were working on that duet of theirs.

Unfortunately I didnt have my eyelash remover kit with me!(smile)
But, as they say, an eye for an eye and a toot' for a toot', capice??
Top of pageBottom of page

Walt B (walt_b)
2-Debutant
Username: walt_b

Post Number: 24
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 205.188.116.138
Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 2:17 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The best way I could put it is to refer to another posting regarding "The First Ladies Of Chic" and Norma Jean Wright in particular. Norma Jean is the antithesis of Diana Ross!

Add Your Message Here
Posting is currently disabled in this topic. Contact your discussion moderator for more information.