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  Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b Post Number: 675 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.48.124.9 |
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA PI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3835 422399&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT At $1000 (starting bid) it's got to be a nice album, although I must say I have seen the name a couple of times on lists but I've no idea what it sounds like... Wonder B | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 185 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225 |
It looks like a publicity stunt to me. Here's an expensive Detroit disc... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA PI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4031 926456&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT | ||
Phil (phil) 4-Laureate Username: phil Post Number: 155 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 213.36.161.25 |
Bonsoir, Wonder, do you think someone will bid on it ? You're right, Graham, expensive is the word ! What about the music ? Do you have some info ? | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1460 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.49.189 |
Ludicrous! Not the rapper but the price! | ||
Fred (fred) 3-Pundit Username: fred Post Number: 52 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 149.174.164.24 |
You think the fact that the producer is the one selling the record has anything to do with the price? | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 481 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
Wow, that Two Plus Two 45, started at $6.99, and the winning bid was $6,000. At least the seller is located in the Detroit area. Just think, had you visted the store, and purchased that 45, you could have gotten it for much less. Graham - Do you think the Seller knew it was going to go as high as it did? | ||
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b Post Number: 677 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 193.253.226.116 |
PhilI can't tell you who has the money to buy this one... I don't know... PLus I still don't know what it sounds like... Is it sweet soul, funk... or anything else??? As for the 45... it's just plain crazy... (imho) Wonder B | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 187 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225 |
I don't think the seller expected it to go that high. With Gwen Owens having a great disc on this same Velgo label it probably added to this one's kudos - and price; I don't think it's that great a record. What may surprise you Sis is that Cyril Clark was in that group... and had the 45... but gave it away to one of the other members of the group (Wilburt Jackson). I only know of one other copy - which is in the States - so that makes just three known copies so far. | ||
sideburnslim (sideburnslim) 4-Laureate Username: sideburnslim Post Number: 103 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.41.175.175 |
Did you notice that the disc was started at $6.99 and was in a huge pile of other crappy records? Recordmanx was treating it like any other 45 in his store! I would love a suprise like that. | ||
Mark Speck (mark_speck) 4-Laureate Username: mark_speck Post Number: 168 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.159.86.99 |
What I'm curious about--what other goodies could have been hiding in that stack of records? Graham--is this the same Two Plus Two that cut the great "Love Will Conquer All"? Best, Mark | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 190 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225 |
Hi Mark No, it's a different group. | ||
Phil (phil) 4-Laureate Username: phil Post Number: 156 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 213.36.162.188 |
The Lee McDonald LP didn't sell. Maybe the seller/producer, Ron Foster, was too greedy ? On ebay, it's not a good choice to put a high starting bid, that may discourage possible bidders. | ||
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b Post Number: 680 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.144.197.227 |
You're right about that Phil. Better put a lower starting bid with a reserve price... Hey Phil do you know what this LP is about musically????? Wonder B | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 490 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.80.233.37 |
Graham, who else was in the Velgo Two Plus Two group? What does it sound like? Do you have it on CD or tape? Were the producers the same as the two Gwen Owens records? | ||
Phil (phil) 4-Laureate Username: phil Post Number: 157 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 213.36.10.6 |
Bonjour Wonder, no, I don't have no idea, but maybe somebody on this forum has heard about Lee McDonald (aka Cleveland Parker) ??? Apparently, he's still touring... | ||
Phil (phil) 4-Laureate Username: phil Post Number: 158 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 213.36.10.6 |
Finally, I've found it on google : www.soulbrother.co.uk/leemcdon ald.htm At least, we can get the reedition ! | ||
Tony B. (tony_b) 2-Debutant Username: tony_b Post Number: 23 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 212.56.114.168 |
Robb_K, there are sound clips of the A and B sides of the Two Plus Two 45 on the eBay auction page. If they don't work for you, here are the direct links to the mp3 files: http://home.comcast.net/~recor dmanx/two_plus_two-im_sure.mp3 http://home.comcast.net/~recor dmanx/two_plus_two-look__aroun d.mp3 I expect they'll be deleted soon, so this may be the only chance for most people to hear them. I think they're good and the more I play them the more I like them, but quality has nothing to do with value. If there are only three copies of a Northern Soul 45 in the whole world, then $6000 is not really surprising. A few questions: 1. Is "I'm Sure/Look Around" the only record by this Two Plus Two? 2. How many 45s were issued on Velgo? Only three? 3. Excuse my musical ignorance, but is that a clarinet break on Gwen Owens' fabulous "Just Say You're Wanted"? | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 193 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.229 |
Hi Robb, Two Plus Two included Wilburt Jackson, who recorded "Just Too Much To Hope For" with Clyde Wilson (Steve Mancha) on the HPC label; Cyril Clark - he started with The Majestics on Contour, Terry Davis and Lawrence Matchett. I don't know what the latter two did apart from this one 45. Yes, I have it on CD. I don't think it's your thing, but I can burn you a copy. The main guy at Velgo was Tony Wilson - he's dead. The publishing of this disc is by New Mystical - owned by Henry Smith: he's dead too. It was Henry who discovered Gwen at high school. Tony B This is the only 45 recorded by this group. Yes, there were only 3 records on Velgo... unless someone is going to find a 4th! | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 498 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.138.129 |
Thanks Graham and Tony. I've heard of Wilburt Jackson and Cyril Clark. And, I've also seen Terry Davis' name on some other Detroit records (but can't remember which). | ||
Mark Speck (mark_speck) 5-Doyen Username: mark_speck Post Number: 175 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.188.113.214 |
Thanks for clearing that up, Graham. Best, Mark | ||
Tony B. (tony_b) 2-Debutant Username: tony_b Post Number: 25 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 212.56.114.168 |
What exactly is the pressing fault with Velgo 002? Hole not in the middle? And who did the vocals on "Lies" allegedly by Gwen Owens? One for Mr. Weldon A. Mc Dougal III , I think! | ||
paulie3$hoes (paulie3hoes) 4-Laureate Username: paulie3hoes Post Number: 135 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
eh my goomba vito got a loan shark t'ing goin on an he will give youse guise a freekin grand for toity percent intrest but if youse dont pay up da foist time ne will brake your nees an fer da second time.... youse will be sleepin wit da fishes, capice??@!#$%^&* by da way..not fer nuttin but i got a rekkid byblue eyes before he got made...is dat woit' anyt'ing??!@#$%^&*( | ||
Raymond Ennifer (benlynx) 2-Debutant Username: benlynx Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 195.92.168.168 |
OO1 GWEN OWENS - I LOST A GOOD THING / I'LL BE CRYING OO2 GWEN OWENS - JUST SAY YOU'RE WANTED / STILL TRUE TO YOU OO3 THE TWO PLUS TWO - I'M SURE / LOOK AROUND | ||
Mark Speck (mark_speck) 5-Doyen Username: mark_speck Post Number: 189 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.159.134.26 |
All the stories I've heard about "Just Say You're Wanted" have said that the hole was pressed off-center, which would cause the 45s to not play properly. Best, Mark | ||
Dave Rimmer (dave_rimmer) 1-Arriviste Username: dave_rimmer Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.44.242.222 |
The problem with 'Just Say You're Wanted And Needed' is that most of the copies found jump. I'm led to believe this was due to a cheaper (and thinner) grade vinyl being used, but it's more likely that the metal stamping plate was damaged. I'm told that the white label radio station copies are fine though, so the damage may have been caused sometime between the radio station copies being pressed up and sent out and then the stock copies being pressed up. I'm also told that when the pressing fault was discovered all the copies were scrapped, hence the rarity of the record. This may of course be absolute rubbish (Except the bit about nearly every known copy jumping) because I have no way of verifying what happened in that pressing plant nearly 40 years ago. The copy of Two plus Two was bought by one of the top DJs over here, but if you watch recordmanx's auctions he starts everything with a low starting price, but is clearly aware of what he is selling as he's sold some major rarities over the last couple of years. | ||
Tony B. (tony_b) 2-Debutant Username: tony_b Post Number: 30 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 212.56.114.168 |
Dave, is it also pressed off-centre? Who's the DJ? I think it would be strange if no copies were in the UK! Some collectors prefer promo copies because the stamping plates were newer when they were pressed, so the sound should be cleaner and sharper. | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 555 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
Tony B - Thanks for the information. I just learned something new about promo copies. I didn't know people preferred the promos. Let me go and look in my box of 45's. I need some money.  | ||
Tony B. (tony_b) 3-Pundit Username: tony_b Post Number: 31 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 212.56.114.168 |
Sis, only two or three collectors! If the promo version is rarer (not always the case), it will be worth more. |
