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T.L. Harris (tl_harris)
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 64.12.116.138
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 10:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Everyone,
I was having a discussion with some friends of mine about the song “Yes I’m Ready” by Barbra Mason, and written and produced by Weldon McDougal, and the more we talked and thought about it, “Yes I’m Ready” was the real beginning of the Philly soul sound. No one before “Yes I’m Ready” really brought the rhythm section together with the horns in such a way. That production and arrangement was really ahead of its time and laid the foundation for what was to be known as the Philly soul sound. I would like to know everyone else’s opinion on this subject. Any thoughts on this matter would be appreciated greatly.

T.L. Harris
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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Post Number: 439
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 10:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've heard people (including Barbara herself) say this but I'm not sure if it's 100% correct. Barbara's 'Girls Have Feelings Too' is the earliest example of "The Philly Sound" that I've heard and it was released in late 1964/early '65, about 6 months before 'Yes I'm Ready'. I'm not sure why credit is never given to the excellent 'Girls Have Feelings Too'?
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Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (weldon)
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Username: weldon

Post Number: 288
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.80.162.3
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 10:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I also produced,"Girls Have Feelings Too"
Weldon A. Mc Dougal III
Barbara Mason
Barbara Mason
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Rhythm & Blues Showcase (rb_showcase)
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.175.243.148
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 11:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice picture Weldon! You have quite a collection!
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T.L. Harris (tl_harris)
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Username: tl_harris

Post Number: 31
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 64.12.116.138
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 12:08 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Great picture of Barbra, Weldon.

T.L. Harris
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Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (weldon)
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Post Number: 289
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 12:33 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

here's a photo of the Girls that did the background on "Girls Have Feeling's To"
The Tiffanys
the Tiffanys

(Message edited by weldon on August 20, 2004)
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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Post Number: 441
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 1:49 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OMG Mr. Weldon! I had no idea that you produced 'Girls Have Feelings Too'! Wow. I've always assumed that Jimmy Bishop produced 'GHFT' and 'Yes I'm Ready' since he had so much involvement in Barbara's career. I've read Miss Mason's story in the book "Ladies Of Soul" and she tells all about how you recorded all of her early singles but it still didn't sink in until now. Wow!

Mr. Weldon, words can not describe to you how much I love 'Girls Have Feelings Too'! I've got a near mint promo copy of the single (with no producer credited on the label for some reason?) that's been one of the most prized items in my collection for years. I hadn't even heard of this record before I owned it. I won it the single in an auction along with a slew of other records and I could've cared less when I won 'GHFT' since I had bid nothing but the minimum $3.00 on it. That all changed once this gem hit my turntable! LOL. I was hooked as soon as I heard that stuttering intro with The Tiffanys chanting "Girls-Have-Feel-Lings-Girls-Have-Feel-Lings". I love it! It's ingenious how you used that same intro on the fadeout. Man I love that song! A perfect record from beginning to end. Mr. Weldon, you and everyone else involved in that single outdid yourselves. Is it possible for you to share anything you remember about the production with us?

Great pics by the way Mr. Weldon! This is why I love SDF! :-)

(Message edited by Rodmann on August 20, 2004)
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dvdmike (dvdmike)
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Username: dvdmike

Post Number: 281
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.208.234.85
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 7:21 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've been wondering myself about who produced the Barbara Mason material on Arctic. I've heard or read Jimmy Bishop and/or Weldon McDougal, but I'm a bit confused. Also, did you, Mr. McDougal produce Eddie Holman's Harthon stuff or was it Luther Randolph and Johnny Styles? Who was the arranger for Eddie's records? Thank you, Mike
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Nosey (nosey)
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Post Number: 236
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.153.113.238
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 8:49 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I read these posts about how you collectors get so excited when you find one of these great records I feel the same way but my exhilaration is different in that I actually danced to these tunes at house parties and neighborhood dances when these records came out. I get the same "warm fuzzies" but for different reasons.
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Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (weldon)
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Username: weldon

Post Number: 290
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.80.162.3
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 8:58 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mike, I told this story so many times,Harthon records, was started by me and Johnny Styles,Luther Randolph, was working with John, they had a band called the Manhattens, I had a group called The Larks,I also had Barbara Mason,and the Tiffanys,about a year after we started,Jimmy Bishop was added to are partnership, To here the rest of this story there is a book comeing out in Oct 2004,"House On Fire The Rise And Fall Of Philadelphia Soul"I arranged all back ground vocals, for all the artist on Harthon records,The Larks, Barbara Mason, Nella Dodds,The Twilights,and Eddie Holman,The Larks did all the vocals on all the early Eddie Holman songs,get the book
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isaiah imani (isaiah)
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Post Number: 54
Registered: 8-2004
Posted From: 66.119.33.135
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 9:34 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

T.L., great post, man!(smile!)

Weldon's told this story at SDF a couple of times, but it gets lost in a lot of cognitive dissonance - which is a technical way of describing what happens to folks when what they WANNA believe comes into conflict with what is truth... Weldon's a humble guy - mad humble... He's not going to blow his own horn to the degree that he gets into a competitive thing with other "horn players..." Plus, he's still producing artists, like Shirley Slaughter, whose voice reminds me a lot of Stephanie Mills...

So, I wont blow his horn for him, here, either... Like he said, the Philadelphia Sound book will be out in the fall... It should give us all a lot to discuss at SDF... Hopefully, this humble man will finally get the recognition he deserves, and folk will stop making false attributions and ascriptions to others as the force behind the SOUND...

Peace!
Isaiah
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David Meikle (david_meikle)
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Username: david_meikle

Post Number: 338
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 81.130.211.124
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 9:35 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rod

I'm going to have to look out this recording!

Must have it somewhere........

I also love "Bobby is my baby".
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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Post Number: 442
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 12.223.151.165
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 10:21 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David, you're gonna love 'Girls Have Feelings Too'. I remember being shocked the first time I heard it because it's so ahead of it's time! It's hard to believe that it was recorded in 1964! David, I'm sure you'll flip for it as well. Let me know what you think about it when you find a copy.

I've never heard 'Bobby Is My Baby' but Weldon recorded another excellent, early song on Barbara called 'Dedicated To The One I Love' (not the Shirelles hit). It's the flip to Barbara's very first single 'Trouble Child' ('GHFT' was her second). 'Dedicated To The One I Love' isn't as groundbreaking as 'Girls Have Feelings Too' but it's a nice slice of early 60's DooWop styled Soul.
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Nosey (nosey)
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Post Number: 237
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 10:53 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Weldon, whatever happened to Nella Dodds. I remember, "Put A Dime on D9" and I remember her version of "Come See About Me".
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dvdmike (dvdmike)
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Post Number: 283
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.208.234.85
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 11:17 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess I either missed that post or forgot about it. Sorry, Weldon.
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Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (weldon)
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Username: weldon

Post Number: 291
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.80.162.3
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 11:20 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I produced "Come See About" I did not do, PADOD9
I talked to Nella about a year ago, I think she was living in Norfork Va,she still singing, she sent me a gospel cd she did
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Nosey (nosey)
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Post Number: 238
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 11:43 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Weldon. I knew I wasn't crazy. None of my friends recall her version of "Come See About Me. Do you know who produced D9?
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T.L. Harris (tl_harris)
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 205.188.116.138
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 3:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Everyone,
And thanks Isaiah, I thought this would be an interesting thread, because some friends and I were talking about this topic and I thought I would bring it to the SD family. You're right Weldon is a super humble guy, but at the same time he also deserves some credit for what he has done. I know the next time some friends and I get together, I know to bring the conversation to SD.

T.L. Harris
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Lady Mystique (ladymystique)
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Post Number: 632
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 216.37.228.115
Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 10:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Weldon! Man, your pictures are great! You have a wonderful collection!
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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Post Number: 148
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 63.188.137.54
Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 8:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For all us Northern soul fans here, Weldon, since you mentioned the Tiffanys, did you produce their solo single on Arctic, "Happiest Girl in the World"?

Best,

Mark
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Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (weldon)
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Post Number: 296
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 8:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

YES,
Weldon
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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Post Number: 150
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Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 9:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, Weldon. You're the best! :-)

Best,

Mark
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Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (weldon)
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Post Number: 297
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.80.162.3
Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 9:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey Mark, I did'nt know you guys new anything about the Tiffanys, this is the first time I'm hereing of this,are you playing any of the other
songs,
Weldon
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Nosey (nosey)
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Post Number: 244
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Posted From: 66.153.113.238
Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 10:53 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Weldon as a Philadelphian who listened to the radio especially Georgie Woods and Jimmy Bishop, I don't remember the Tiffanys. Were their records played? I don't recall seeing them at the Uptown and I rarely missed any shows either. Why aren't the Tiffanys known here?
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Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (weldon)
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Post Number: 298
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 11:23 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Nosey, the Tiffanys worked at the Uptown one time, and there records were played on WDAS and WHAT,nothing happened,and now they are talking and playing in the UK,I have know Idea how they got it over there,the Tiffanys have a few fans here,
Weldon
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Post Number: 442
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.154.242.59
Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 11:41 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Weldon is with out a doubt
one of the true legends on the music scene
and not just regards his philly involvement with his personal magical touch all over them.

I have had the honour/privalidge
to correspond with him over the past few years and to me this guy has been a total open and true genuine gent and then some........

His work is well known over here in the uk
and the material he has worked on over so many years is second to none.

Since being on this great forum
I have spoken with for myself some of my all time heroes and all still blow me away when they take time to post.


The Arctic 45s
with Dyno-Dynamic productions on the label are Weldons (correct me Weldon,if wrong)
plus the amount of artists
he has worked with are endless.

I am a 100% fan of guys like Weldon
with 45s by The 4 Larks/United 4/The Larks/Barbara Mason.....etc etc etc...
His Harthon Material
whatever the list is endless
for me its the Weldons
of this world like so many others who post on here that have given myself and coutless others the beat that still makes us want to move our feet..........

I will without hesitation
forever give credit to legends like Mr McDougal and others that may not have it over in other parts of the world
but in the uk
we all know about the real deal guys/chicks etc
Let the music
do the talking.........

say no more......

I could talk for days about the class acts
who are all posting here
why would anyone doubt them?

Regards The Tiffanys
check out
'its got to be a great song'

Hey Weldon
dont ever change man.........

regards
MEL-O-DELPHIA.........
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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Username: mark_speck

Post Number: 156
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 63.188.113.164
Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 12:51 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mel beat me to it, Weldon...especially since I'm here in Cleveland and he's in the thick of things over in the UK...LOL!

Yes, "It's Got to Be a Great Song" has gotten some spins on the Northern scene (I've yet to hear this one or the Arctic, BTW...guess a visit to the Soul Club website is in order!). This track came out on the KR label (one of Koppelman and Rubin's operations), distributed by Chess (saw the scan on Benji Schlamp's site).

I think there may be another single by them, but I'm not sure.

Best,

Mark

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