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Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
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Post Number: 133
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.93.33.10
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 5:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's a preliminary listing for the label.
According to Robert Pruter's "Chicago Soul"
the label was owned by Roy Love, Udie Coffman
and Phil Rifkin.

I haven't actually seen any of these releases - it
looks like that each side of a single had its own number - Ray Scott was probably 102 / 3 and so on.
There's probably a 100/101 to be traced.

Dates are VERY rough estimates.

Well, it's a start ..

102 RAY SCOTT 1962
Joy
Looking For You

104 ? 1962

106 THE ADVENTURERS 1962
I Don't Mind
It's Alright
Prod : Herb Bernstein

108 RICK FORTUNE 1963
Running Wild
Sand In My Hair

110 JOYCE KENNEDY 1963
I Still Love You
Misunderstood
Prod : Andre Williams

112 THE VOWS 1963
Girl In Red
Born With The Rhythm

114 ? 1964

116 GARY KAY 1963
Cinderella
Whenever You're Near Me

118 JOYCE KENNEDY 1964
Can't Take A Chance
How Old Is Old
Prod : Andre Williams

120 ?

122 THE APRILS 1964
Precious Love
i Want To Know

124 FERN AND THE APRILS 1964
I Want To Know
Gotta Be In Love
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Don (don)
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Username: don

Post Number: 566
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.75.61.223
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 5:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Davie, I gave you credit on Rare Chicago Soul Acts Thread, when a fellow (Mike S) wanted to know about Venture Records. I didn't know how to address the info instead I posted your actical, I hope I did you proud.
Don in Chi-Town
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Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
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Post Number: 136
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 5:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Don, no problems - that's fine with me.

Trouble is I don't know if you can access that
Venture listing in the archives. I've been meaning to do it again but it's finding the time.

The most annoying thing is I also posted the list on the official Motown bulletin board but it
disappeared with everything else when they set up a new board. I've got the Venture list on a floppy disk somewhere but it's finding the time
to go through a box of about two hundred floppies
- ain't life a bitch, LOL

Davie
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 568
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 6:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David, I got to the point of sorting stuff out recently, by keeping everything neat & tiddy. As far as disc write the names on discs. Not sayin' I'm all that I wish I could go and search for Pate Production and Marverick Records Threads.
Don in The Windy City
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 569
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.75.61.223
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 8:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David, I'm thinking of some of the suppose to be released stuff. In the second slot on down maybe where The Vows we're probally supposed to be release, and got held back somewhat. I'm not sure I heard "Falling In Love Isn't Easy" I think was supposed to be released on Ran-dee or for another Chicago label owned by Bob Lee.
Don in The Windy City
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 653
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.75.188.92
Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 6:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks to Melandthensome cause if it wasn't for Mel, I would have forgotten about Cicero Blake that recorded for RAN-DEE.
Don
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Robb_K (robb_k)
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Post Number: 479
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.232.132.211
Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 3:32 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was Cicero Blake really on Ran-Dee? I know he was on Bob Lee's Renee label, but never heard of him having anything to do with Ran-Dee.
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matt weingarden (mrfinewine)
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 8-2004
Posted From: 64.74.45.38
Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 11:38 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i believe there's a saxy russell single on ran-dee, too.
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 658
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.75.187.239
Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 4:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Correction Robb K and Matt: I mistakenly got my notes confused with Saxie Russell and Cicero Blake. Sorry for the mix-up. You know why they call Saxie Saxie because he played the sax, and that's where Jr. Walker got his style from was from Saxie, cause I can hear Saxie's influence on Junior's Tri Phi & Motown recordings. I myself on my own forgot to mention this.
DON
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matt weingarden (mrfinewine)
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 8-2004
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Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 6:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

is saxie still alive?
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 661
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.78.27.87
Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 7:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

don't know?
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Flynny (anoraks_corner)
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 211.121.38.176
Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 10:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Two of the missing numbers are listed on my site:

http://www.capitolsoulclub.hom estead.com/RanDeelisting.html

:-)
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Post Number: 454
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.152.20.86
Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 10:54 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave
my pc is goosed
will be a while till fixed
takes forever to post here

mel

ps
my mate was just chatti g with
Rufus Wo der via the telepho e........

Rufus asked about you.
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 674
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.77.36.143
Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 6:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm just assuming, and it's a wild guess on my part. Maybe the unknown press records numbers for Ran-dee & Markie, I truly and honestly think we're intended for Saxie Russell. Cause I had a handful of singles back in the day by Saxie, cause I use to plat them all the time, which brought me to the conclusion about the unknown press record numbers. I really do think sew??????
Don
Chi-Town
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Robb_K (robb_k)
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Post Number: 486
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.232.131.56
Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 4:58 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don, I've only seen one Saxie Russell Record on either Ran-Dee or Markie. That is "Come Dance With Me" Ran-Dee114. It's clear that he made more recordings than that for Ran-Dee (including playing on other people's cuts. Perhaps there was another one pressed up. If so, I'd like to get the information on it.
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 679
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.75.53.63
Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 11:02 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

?????????????????????????????? ????????????????????Don
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Post Number: 460
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.153.212.65
Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 3:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Any info about

THE FOUR SOUNDS
that recorded for Randee 103/104 from 62/63ish?

cheers
mel
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 682
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.75.58.219
Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 9:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Robb, I was also told by Lester that Vows & Joyce Kennedy we're suppose to do some follow up's on Ran-Dee. It's unclear about Joyce's follow up's, but he did say the vows we're about to record but their follow up release or releases was pulled back because of their manager.
Don
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Robb_K (robb_k)
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Post Number: 487
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.232.147.107
Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 5:21 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have The Four Sounds' record, Mel. I remember it as being "Novelty style". I would guess it's not a Northern Beat, -but wouldn't stake my life on it, as Northern Soul has been changing to pick up most non-ballads (from what I gather). I won't be back with the record till November- so can't listen to it or give you label info.

Thanks for the info, Don.
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 689
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.75.167.159
Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 9:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Robb: I'm just speculating here, I heard a rummor that The Four Sounds that recorded for Ran-dee, we're The Four Seasons, Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons. Is it TRUE?
Don
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Post Number: 505
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Cheers Robb/D.

MEL
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 702
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Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 4:46 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I tend to believe sew....
Don
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Robb_K (robb_k)
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Post Number: 492
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.228.217.86
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 4:48 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Don. I would guess that's probably a false rumour. From what I remember of the sounds of their voices, none of them sounded like Frankie Valli, none like Bob Gaudio, and none like the other two. They all (or at least three of them have very distinctive voices, and their harmonies are unmistakeable. The Four Sounds didn't sound like them. On The Wonder Who record you can clearly hear them all. I'm guessing The Four Sounds were a local Chicago group. The 2 cuts were pretty ordinary novelty-type. I have thousands of hours of my 45 cuts on tape, and I never taped those two (or even CONSIDERED taping them. So, they're pretty poor quality, to my taste. They're minor key novelty with no heavy beat or funk. Pretty lightweight stuf, I would say.
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 703
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I happen to recall in a past post that I conversed with you both or either and, that Charles Farren who recorded for Bob Lee's HAWK who recorded "You Changed My Whole Life Around"/"A Girl Like You" is a/k/a L. Lumpkins of The Gospel Clefs hit "Open Our Eyes".
Don
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Robb_K (robb_k)
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Post Number: 496
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That's interesting. By the way, Farren was also on The "Nation" label (among others).
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 706
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I think Lampskin had that single once, I never had a copy. That goes to show how passionate a person feels about the music, thanx again RobbK.
DON
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Post Number: 511
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Hawk 45 200
good 45........
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 717
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My personal favorite is "A Girl Like You" very blusey.

Don
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 728
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Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 6:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No, I meant I never had Saxie's sides on NATION. I have the HAWK single #200.
Don
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Robb_K (robb_k)
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Post Number: 503
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Did Saxie actually have a RELEASE on Nation (under his OWN name)? I never saw it. Do you know what the tites were (or the record number)?

Or did he just record for Sebons Foster, and they never released anything?
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 729
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I made a blunder in my statment.

Mel, I do have Charles Ferren on Hawk #200.

Robb, Lester once had Charles 45 on Nation. I never had my very own copy is what I was stating.

He helped Charles and Saxie get deals with labels that we're mentioned in this thread.

DON
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matt weingarden (mrfinewine)
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Post Number: 25
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besides "psychedelic soul" and the ran-dee release, "el monkey"/"come dance with me," did saxie russell have any other releases under his own name (or under any other name, for that matter)?
matt
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Don (don)
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Post Number: 730
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Interesting question. I don't know Saxie Russell's real name, we all assume that was his real name. I'd have to ask my buddy he was on vacation last week, and it's gonna be awhile to keep track of him. When I asked did he know Saxie's real name and said he didn't know, I guess he'll have to think about it some.
Don

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