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Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon
Post Number: 133 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.10
| Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 5:18 pm: �� | ��� |
Here's a preliminary listing for the label. According to Robert Pruter's "Chicago Soul" the label was owned by Roy Love, Udie Coffman and Phil Rifkin. I haven't actually seen any of these releases - it looks like that each side of a single had its own number - Ray Scott was probably 102 / 3 and so on. There's probably a 100/101 to be traced. Dates are VERY rough estimates. Well, it's a start .. 102 RAY SCOTT 1962 Joy Looking For You 104 ? 1962 106 THE ADVENTURERS 1962 I Don't Mind It's Alright Prod : Herb Bernstein 108 RICK FORTUNE 1963 Running Wild Sand In My Hair 110 JOYCE KENNEDY 1963 I Still Love You Misunderstood Prod : Andre Williams 112 THE VOWS 1963 Girl In Red Born With The Rhythm 114 ? 1964 116 GARY KAY 1963 Cinderella Whenever You're Near Me 118 JOYCE KENNEDY 1964 Can't Take A Chance How Old Is Old Prod : Andre Williams 120 ? 122 THE APRILS 1964 Precious Love i Want To Know 124 FERN AND THE APRILS 1964 I Want To Know Gotta Be In Love |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 566 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.61.223
| Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 5:29 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi Davie, I gave you credit on Rare Chicago Soul Acts Thread, when a fellow (Mike S) wanted to know about Venture Records. I didn't know how to address the info instead I posted your actical, I hope I did you proud. Don in Chi-Town |
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon
Post Number: 136 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.10
| Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 5:49 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi Don, no problems - that's fine with me. Trouble is I don't know if you can access that Venture listing in the archives. I've been meaning to do it again but it's finding the time. The most annoying thing is I also posted the list on the official Motown bulletin board but it disappeared with everything else when they set up a new board. I've got the Venture list on a floppy disk somewhere but it's finding the time to go through a box of about two hundred floppies - ain't life a bitch, LOL Davie |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 568 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.61.223
| Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 6:17 pm: �� | ��� |
David, I got to the point of sorting stuff out recently, by keeping everything neat & tiddy. As far as disc write the names on discs. Not sayin' I'm all that I wish I could go and search for Pate Production and Marverick Records Threads. Don in The Windy City |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 569 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.61.223
| Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 8:02 pm: �� | ��� |
David, I'm thinking of some of the suppose to be released stuff. In the second slot on down maybe where The Vows we're probally supposed to be release, and got held back somewhat. I'm not sure I heard "Falling In Love Isn't Easy" I think was supposed to be released on Ran-dee or for another Chicago label owned by Bob Lee. Don in The Windy City |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 653 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.188.92
| Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 6:55 pm: �� | ��� |
Thanks to Melandthensome cause if it wasn't for Mel, I would have forgotten about Cicero Blake that recorded for RAN-DEE. Don |
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k
Post Number: 479 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.132.211
| Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 3:32 am: �� | ��� |
Was Cicero Blake really on Ran-Dee? I know he was on Bob Lee's Renee label, but never heard of him having anything to do with Ran-Dee. |
matt weingarden (mrfinewine) 2-Debutant Username: mrfinewine
Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 64.74.45.38
| Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 11:38 am: �� | ��� |
i believe there's a saxy russell single on ran-dee, too. |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 658 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.187.239
| Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 4:46 pm: �� | ��� |
Correction Robb K and Matt: I mistakenly got my notes confused with Saxie Russell and Cicero Blake. Sorry for the mix-up. You know why they call Saxie Saxie because he played the sax, and that's where Jr. Walker got his style from was from Saxie, cause I can hear Saxie's influence on Junior's Tri Phi & Motown recordings. I myself on my own forgot to mention this. DON |
matt weingarden (mrfinewine) 2-Debutant Username: mrfinewine
Post Number: 19 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 64.74.45.38
| Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 6:41 pm: �� | ��� |
is saxie still alive? |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 661 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.78.27.87
| Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 7:52 pm: �� | ��� |
don't know? |
Flynny (anoraks_corner) 4-Laureate Username: anoraks_corner
Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 211.121.38.176
| Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 10:38 pm: �� | ��� |
Two of the missing numbers are listed on my site: http://www.capitolsoulclub.hom estead.com/RanDeelisting.html
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mel(andthensome) (mel) 6-Zenith Username: mel
Post Number: 454 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.152.20.86
| Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 10:54 am: �� | ��� |
Dave my pc is goosed will be a while till fixed takes forever to post here mel ps my mate was just chatti g with Rufus Wo der via the telepho e........ Rufus asked about you. |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 674 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.36.143
| Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 6:47 pm: �� | ��� |
I'm just assuming, and it's a wild guess on my part. Maybe the unknown press records numbers for Ran-dee & Markie, I truly and honestly think we're intended for Saxie Russell. Cause I had a handful of singles back in the day by Saxie, cause I use to plat them all the time, which brought me to the conclusion about the unknown press record numbers. I really do think sew?????? Don Chi-Town |
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k
Post Number: 486 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.131.56
| Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 4:58 am: �� | ��� |
Don, I've only seen one Saxie Russell Record on either Ran-Dee or Markie. That is "Come Dance With Me" Ran-Dee114. It's clear that he made more recordings than that for Ran-Dee (including playing on other people's cuts. Perhaps there was another one pressed up. If so, I'd like to get the information on it. |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 679 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.53.63
| Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 11:02 am: �� | ��� |
?????????????????????????????? ????????????????????Don |
mel(andthensome) (mel) 6-Zenith Username: mel
Post Number: 460 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.153.212.65
| Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 3:32 pm: �� | ��� |
Any info about THE FOUR SOUNDS that recorded for Randee 103/104 from 62/63ish? cheers mel |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 682 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.58.219
| Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 9:12 pm: �� | ��� |
Robb, I was also told by Lester that Vows & Joyce Kennedy we're suppose to do some follow up's on Ran-Dee. It's unclear about Joyce's follow up's, but he did say the vows we're about to record but their follow up release or releases was pulled back because of their manager. Don |
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k
Post Number: 487 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.147.107
| Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 5:21 am: �� | ��� |
I have The Four Sounds' record, Mel. I remember it as being "Novelty style". I would guess it's not a Northern Beat, -but wouldn't stake my life on it, as Northern Soul has been changing to pick up most non-ballads (from what I gather). I won't be back with the record till November- so can't listen to it or give you label info. Thanks for the info, Don. |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 689 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.167.159
| Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 9:18 am: �� | ��� |
Robb: I'm just speculating here, I heard a rummor that The Four Sounds that recorded for Ran-dee, we're The Four Seasons, Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons. Is it TRUE? Don |
mel(andthensome) (mel) 6-Zenith Username: mel
Post Number: 505 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.152.20.90
| Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 6:38 pm: �� | ��� |
Cheers Robb/D. MEL |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 702 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.177.246
| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 4:46 am: �� | ��� |
I tend to believe sew.... Don |
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k
Post Number: 492 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.228.217.86
| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 4:48 am: �� | ��� |
Hi Don. I would guess that's probably a false rumour. From what I remember of the sounds of their voices, none of them sounded like Frankie Valli, none like Bob Gaudio, and none like the other two. They all (or at least three of them have very distinctive voices, and their harmonies are unmistakeable. The Four Sounds didn't sound like them. On The Wonder Who record you can clearly hear them all. I'm guessing The Four Sounds were a local Chicago group. The 2 cuts were pretty ordinary novelty-type. I have thousands of hours of my 45 cuts on tape, and I never taped those two (or even CONSIDERED taping them. So, they're pretty poor quality, to my taste. They're minor key novelty with no heavy beat or funk. Pretty lightweight stuf, I would say. |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 703 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.177.246
| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 5:06 am: �� | ��� |
I happen to recall in a past post that I conversed with you both or either and, that Charles Farren who recorded for Bob Lee's HAWK who recorded "You Changed My Whole Life Around"/"A Girl Like You" is a/k/a L. Lumpkins of The Gospel Clefs hit "Open Our Eyes". Don |
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k
Post Number: 496 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.228.217.86
| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 5:23 am: �� | ��� |
That's interesting. By the way, Farren was also on The "Nation" label (among others). |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 706 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.177.246
| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 5:28 am: �� | ��� |
I think Lampskin had that single once, I never had a copy. That goes to show how passionate a person feels about the music, thanx again RobbK. DON |
mel(andthensome) (mel) 6-Zenith Username: mel
Post Number: 511 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.43.74.85
| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 8:39 am: �� | ��� |
Hawk 45 200 good 45........ |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 717 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.177.246
| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 8:43 am: �� | ��� |
My personal favorite is "A Girl Like You" very blusey. Don |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 728 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.181.203
| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 6:37 pm: �� | ��� |
No, I meant I never had Saxie's sides on NATION. I have the HAWK single #200. Don |
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k
Post Number: 503 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.149.5
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 6:25 am: �� | ��� |
Did Saxie actually have a RELEASE on Nation (under his OWN name)? I never saw it. Do you know what the tites were (or the record number)? Or did he just record for Sebons Foster, and they never released anything? |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 729 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.184.48
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 8:53 am: �� | ��� |
I made a blunder in my statment. Mel, I do have Charles Ferren on Hawk #200. Robb, Lester once had Charles 45 on Nation. I never had my very own copy is what I was stating. He helped Charles and Saxie get deals with labels that we're mentioned in this thread. DON |
matt weingarden (mrfinewine) 2-Debutant Username: mrfinewine
Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 64.74.45.38
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 10:43 am: �� | ��� |
besides "psychedelic soul" and the ran-dee release, "el monkey"/"come dance with me," did saxie russell have any other releases under his own name (or under any other name, for that matter)? matt |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 730 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.50.42
| Posted on Friday, September 03, 2004 - 7:49 am: �� | ��� |
Interesting question. I don't know Saxie Russell's real name, we all assume that was his real name. I'd have to ask my buddy he was on vacation last week, and it's gonna be awhile to keep track of him. When I asked did he know Saxie's real name and said he didn't know, I guess he'll have to think about it some. Don |