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  Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1664 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
It looks as though Ms Ross is ready to get busy one more time. Here's a link: http://www.wmxd923.com/script/ headline_newsmanager.php?id=33 6723&pagecontent=musicnewsurba nac&feed_id=30 | ||
Linda Di. (linda_di_fsg) 4-Laureate Username: linda_di_fsg Post Number: 123 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.67.206.19 |
A friend spent some time with her on Monday at this event. He said she was marvelous and has gotten it together. That's great news! | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1053 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.162.123.143 |
She needs to bag that dreadful, played out weave!! | ||
Milli Vanilli (millie) 3-Pundit Username: millie Post Number: 40 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.62.7.219 |
Eli, I beg to differ with you. I don't think she's ever looked better! She appears happy and healthy so here's to her getting her life back together. Millie | ||
Charise (mistrivia1) 5-Doyen Username: mistrivia1 Post Number: 312 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 198.81.26.46 |
Eli. be Nice!!!!  | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 43 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 198.81.26.46 |
I have to say I will be the first to support a Diana Come back, then next I will get to see her sing with Mary & Cindy She's always been on e of my faves she looks content - YOU GO GIRL!! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1674 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Vickie You are one LOYAL lady If will is enough to get it done, by YOUR will, it will be done. You've got more faith than a one-legged man in a 100 yard dash against Michael Johnson!!! Hey Linda Di: How the heck are you Bobby: Yeah, be nice Re Re: Bobby is always nice Millie: You are very generous & kind. I don't know about you, but to me, she's unbeweavable Who said that? Trying to get me killed up in here | ||
funkcity (funkcity) 2-Debutant Username: funkcity Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.77.89.128 |
Vickie Where's that book??? | ||
Linda Di. (linda_di_fsg) 4-Laureate Username: linda_di_fsg Post Number: 124 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.67.206.19 |
Hey Juice -- I'm good! Always lurking around. Diana's hairdo has become her trademark. Don't now if she intended that, but I couldn't see her in any other. As long as she gets healthy! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1677 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Linda, I bet that she's still got some birds nesting in that thing from her concert in Central Park. Some birds have posters up, looking for their not-so-young. That concert WAS a long time ago By the way, there's some chirping going around saying that if she ever sets foot back into Central Park....well, let's put it like this....Janet Leigh will start looking like the lucky one when those birds get finished with D. That's the rumor that's been flying around. Hey, New York birds are tough & very unforgiving | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 499 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
LOL Juice. I read her "hair" caught fire in an LA restaurant last year. Maybe she can give a concert in the Diana Ross park, which I heard has seen better days--the one she "gave" all that money for. | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 45 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 198.81.26.46 |
I agree with Linda... come back Diana! hair and all!!! there's magic in that hair and gown!!! | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1114 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.0.140 |
Diana REALLY has "radio hair" Too short to wave! Its also 'airplane hair'..TWA teenie weenie Afro | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 501 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
As much as Miss Ross has excitement maybe we should b greatful for the break--no airport incidents,Mary is in one piece, no riots in Central Park and the streets in my state our safer. | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 46 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 198.81.26.46 |
she has your old fro Eli | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1117 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.0.140 |
Youre probably right La Quisha, except that mine was made of Afro-Turf!!! | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 47 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 198.81.26.46 |
TOO FUNNY | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 6-Zenith Username: ~medusa Post Number: 424 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.79.103.110 |
No Offense,but...coming back from where? | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1120 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.0.140 |
Jurassic Park. Im sure y'all heard of the Dianasaurs! | ||
Uptight (uptight) 4-Laureate Username: uptight Post Number: 107 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.161.239.218 |
I started to ask the same question, medusa. I know she's been performing her new live show for months already. But I think a "comeback" would refer to new studio recordings and (hopefully) film projects. She hasn't had an album out since 1999. | ||
GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl) 5-Doyen Username: gogogirl Post Number: 247 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 69.1.9.65 |
All, Diana Ross has the right to continue her career just like all the other older acts - I would say. She is not too much older than some folks on this board - or other acts that are still trying to contribute their works to this society. As far as her hair goes - do we not all know some folks that still wear the same hairstyle they wore years ago? Now if one just hates the weave - then admit that - but let her be who she is, and if that means wearing a style she evidently enjoys - who is she hurting? Some folks are going bald - or have no hair at all. I'm sure Diana has more hair than that pic of her with a short fro - for real. But regardless - there are too many folks - and especially African Americans that wear all kind of styles - and to include weaves. My goodness look at a book w/different hairstyles for black women - and/or go to a beauty shop - and my God - what an abundance of styles to choose from. Again - Diana does not owe anyone any explanations as to why she wears her hair the way she does. Do any of us have to explain "The Way We Do The Things We Do?" | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1123 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.0.140 |
My my my!!..arent we defensive up in here? | ||
GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl) 5-Doyen Username: gogogirl Post Number: 248 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 69.1.9.65 |
All, Eli - I am not defensive. But may I ask why you have to crack on Diana by calling her old. Is she older than you - surely you are still in the game? And does she or does she not have the right to work again - and over and over if she wants to? Although - surely she has millions of dollars to fall back on. You have the right to say what you say - and so do I. I'm not defensive at all. Just calling it like I see it - like always. (Message edited by gogogirl on August 07, 2004) | ||
P.J. (pj1) 2-Debutant Username: pj1 Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.3.123.111 |
Juice, In regards to Janet Leigh, if you are making reference to Alfred Hitchcock's movie, "The Birds", the lead actress was Tippi Hedrin. Janet Leigh is noted for Hitchcock's, "Psycho" | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1124 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.0.140 |
Like you say, we all have the right to express what and how we want to say what we have to say. Period.. Its a public forum. Im not hatin' on anyone, just having a "little fun" I commend "ms Ross for all she has done and I wish her continued success in this biz. (Message edited by phillysoulman on August 07, 2004) | ||
Linda Di. (linda_di_fsg) 4-Laureate Username: linda_di_fsg Post Number: 132 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.67.206.19 |
For all you fellas dissing Diana'a hair, perhaps you're jealous???? LOL | ||
Shawn1 (shawn1b) 4-Laureate Username: shawn1b Post Number: 135 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.30.14.44 |
I think Ross would look great with her owne hair in that hairstyle .Like she wore it when she did her tv concert/special when Upside Down was #1 when she sang Upside Down that was Ross's hair which she has plenty of .Shawn | ||
Arcadia (arcadia) 4-Laureate Username: arcadia Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.237.17.227 |
I truly wish Diana Ross the best and I wish her luck with her comeback. Without looking on the outside, I see a black woman, like myself, who has dealt with the good, the bad, and the ugly. Her conviction, now behind her, she can present herself as the talent she is. Also, her ex-husband, the father of two of her boys, died in a very tragic accident. He fell from a mountain he was climbing. It has even been suggested that he might have wanted to end his own life. Diana, a Mother, like me, has to deal with the emotional needs of her children. I'm sure those boys needed support. I give her a lot of credit as a Mom **and** as a talent, and that includes her hair (you go girl!). Diana, I'm with you 100%! YOU are a legend! Arcadia | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 6-Zenith Username: ~medusa Post Number: 429 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.79.103.110 |
Eli (LOL) you are a mess. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1129 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.0.140 |
Thanks Medusa, I just knew you'd "get it". | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 505 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.200 |
Really--its healthy to laugh-we all seem to repsect Diana's entertaiment abitlites--we had a very mini-roast--most celeberties can laugh at themselves tho with Diana I wonder. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1132 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.0.140 |
Right on Jimmy M. Laughter is the ultimate healer of the heart and soul. | ||
Dinelle (dinelle_watson) 5-Doyen Username: dinelle_watson Post Number: 200 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 67.35.242.7 |
You're right about that, Eli. Although, I always thought that Diana was always had that head of curls since I was a baby. | ||
Ryon6 (tyrone) 1-Arriviste Username: tyrone Post Number: 10 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 192.128.133.68 |
I was relucant to respond to this topic since Ms Ross is my favorite entertainer. I, too, get tired of reading the negative and supposedly funny comments directed towards Ms Ross. Why can't people just give Ms Ross the credit she deserves and she deserves a lot more credit than she's given. I applaud both BET and the Soul Train Music Awards for honoring her in the way they did. I can't seem to understand why the Grammys haven't given her a Lifetime Award, again something she definitely deserves. As far as the weave goes, I wish she would go back to wearing wigs but since no one can tell me how to cut my hair, I guess it's not cool to do the same for someone else. After all, most female singers/groups of the latter 60s and 70s wanted to emulate her and attain all the star power in which she once had and hopefully can retain. She's still a STAR to me! Ms Ross, in me, you are truly loved as an entertainer. How about saying something positive about Diana Ross and her career? | ||
Uptight (uptight) 4-Laureate Username: uptight Post Number: 108 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.161.239.218 |
Has it tamed down a tiny bit in the last several years, or have I just gotten used to it? I know in the eighties is was just a long bush. Now it seems more styled. Speaking of laughing at ourselves, an appearance on SNL might do her some good. Many of the celebrities who appear on that TV show seem to be breaking through some kind of challenge in their life. It should be theraputic. Maybe she can promote her next project on SNL. | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 48 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 198.81.26.46 |
I think everyone in our family here at SD knows that Diana Ross is one of my all time favorite people..I have been in knock-out, drag-out arguments defending her, I know most of the time the "roasts" are all in fun..She is an easy target, just like Cher or Madonna ....She's an awesome entertainer period and part of her greatness is her strength and courage. She is a survivor and I would like to think she has a sense of humor too..This is a tame thread compared to other topics that have been discussed about her..... I still say "YOU GO GIRL" and get with Mary and Cindy soon so I can see you all sing since I was not born yet to see you at your prime Peace, Love, eyeliner, gowns, and wigs... It's all good! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1752 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hi everyone! B.J.: You are 1,000 percent correct. Janet was the one who had the misfortune of meeting "Mother Bates" in the shower. Thanks for the correction Linda Di: Hey partner. As one suffering through the agony of male pattern baldness on my head (while retaining hair everywhere else), let me say this: YES, I'M MAD AS HELL & I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!! Whew....that felt sooooooo good!! Yes, I'm envious, that's right, I said it. I'd like to have enough hair to have my own personal aviary as well. Yes, though the sunshine on my head makes me dizzy, I STILL AIN'T GON' WEAR NO TOUPEE'!!!! And I AIN'T GON' STITCH NO HAIR IN MY POOR LIL' HAID EITHER. That would be unbeweavable of me To everyone else who is upset here, these three words..... LIGHTEN UP AMIGOS Listen, everyone here respects what Diana Ross has done. Everyone here has given Diana her fair share of compliments. I've even spoken up for her, though I don't particularily care for many things that I've heard about her. With that said, just about everyone here has made fun of themselves at one time or another. I have teased my OWN SELF here extensively. If I can joke & laugh at my own self, you better believe that Diana is fair game. We're not disparaging her, we're only kidding around. We're not slamming her in a vicious or malicious fashion. Seriously, we're joking & it's all good. No one's saying anything negative, or dredging up sordid ugly tales of her past. We're not getting into her private life & things as such. Believe me, people sure could be talking about worse things that a hair weave here. Guys.....loosen up a little. After recent news, some of us need a little laughter, you know??? Like I said, that hair has an APB out on it here in New York. She better watch out, as bald as my head is, I may snatch it myself. Hey, I always wanted to look like a famous Soul singer. Though, I was thinking more along the lines of Sam Cooke or Harry Ray. I'm just so tired of having a dome...won't you help me girl as soon as you cannnnn! See, I can laugh at myself. It's fun | ||
Dinelle (dinelle_watson) 5-Doyen Username: dinelle_watson Post Number: 201 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 67.35.242.7 |
Hey, Vickie. I liked Diana Ross since I first heard "Baby Love", which was when I was a baby. I still like her and The Supremes. I just hope she has a sense of humor, too. BTW, Vickie, did you get my email? | ||
Ryon6 (tyrone) 2-Debutant Username: tyrone Post Number: 12 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 192.128.133.68 |
Juice, Ok, I guess it was defense-mechanism. I get tired of hearing that type of stuff but I'll try to loose up a little more. And what you said I couldn't have said better .. you're the man... now set me free. To the person who spoke about SNL, I have always thought she should host the show. Speaking of which, has anyone seen Mya Rudolph do her Ross impersonation or seen Debra Wilson of MAD TV do her Ross impersonation. Debra's was a hoot, with Ross loosing her fan base and stature, looking like (IMO) Joan Crawford gone wild. At first, I was irritated by it but enjoyed it, it was funny. I look at the reruns hoping to catch it again. One other thing, regarding the topic of this post, I wish Diana would go into the studio and record with "live" musicians ... with you, too, Bobby. Is there anything you and Phil can do to help her out? Finally to Phil and Bobby, I've enjoyed your work for many many years and still listen to today, trying to educate these young-ins who think music started with Puffy and Whitney. | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 508 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.200 |
U go juicy juice--vg idea Uptight. Diana is just a human being as we all are, thought to be honest I dont know she has the pull right now to be the host. | ||
GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl) 5-Doyen Username: gogogirl Post Number: 257 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 69.1.9.65 |
All, Speaking of MJ - I suppose all of us could "Look At The Man/Woman In The Mirror." The point is and like David has pointed out - who knows who tunes into this board. We know Deborah tunes in and would hate to read where someone was poking fun at her father - for instance. For all we know one or more of Diana's children might tune in. Now is there or isn't there a chance that many folks in the business tune into this site - and have probably told some others about this site? Is that a fair assumption? Well then if it is - then I have never found any humor in cracking on another individual - and I don't care who it is. Since I've been on this board - I have never intentionally or unintentionally put another down. Where is the percentages in it? How would any of us feel to have some folks cracking on whaterver perceived fault we might possess in someone else's eyes and opinion? We know it. None of us are perfect. Lastly and again - no one here has ever read a post of mine where I cracked on nary an entertainer or put them down. And of course I love to LOL too - but not at another's expense. I laugh at myself, a notion and what not all day long - but just don't feel good laughing and cracking on another poster or entertainer/artist - for what? We know that some folks want to say that it is all in fun and humor - but is it really? Or is it that some think it is just cool to dwell in the negative? Not me. Give me the positive conversations - vibes and respect any day. And please don't tell me to lighten up. I'm cool. I just want to reinterate that like many of our parents taught us - "If you don't have anything nice to say about someone.................... | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 49 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 198.81.26.46 |
I have all nice to say about Diana.... Always.... The woman is an icon and legend. I am personally very happy that she is "coming back" Now Diana, Mary, Cindy, and special guest Jean will sing for me/us Most of the legends I love so much are no longer with us, so I would feel this way about many singers I love if they were still alive....These ladies are so important.... I want to see them sing together again.... I believe that will happen... So if Diana or Mary, Jean or Cindy read this board.. Get busy ladies! | ||
Dinelle (dinelle_watson) 5-Doyen Username: dinelle_watson Post Number: 204 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 67.35.242.7 |
I second that, Vickie. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1754 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Go Go, I retract my lighten up remark. I understand where you're coming from & if we were dogging her out, I'd wholeheartedly agree with you. As Levi was brought up, let me tell you why he would NEVER be teased by any of us: I've NEVER heard a disparaging thing said about Levi anywhere by anyone. I never heard or read anything about Levi manipulating people so that he would be "Numero Uno". I never read where where Levi insisted that his assistants call him "Mr Stubbs" & to walk behind him. I never, ever heard where Levi treated Obie, Larry & Duke as his subordinates. He always treated them as equals. I've never heard where Levi lied about the parentage of his children. I've never heard of Levi throwing hissy fits & have Never, never heard of Levi treating his fans with anything less than respect. Nor have I ever heard or saw his name mixed up with any type of scandal or embarassing behavior. Levi is simply a consumate professional & a credit to his race.....the Human Race. Many of our other icons do have a genuine sense of humor & by using humor, it humanizes them. Remember Jessie Jackson & the whole "Hymietown" scandal?? Jessie got on TV, SNL if I remember correctly & laughed & joked about himself. Al Sharpton got on SNL & danced & joked & kidded about himself. That showed many people different sides of them & humanized them to many who considered them to be monsterous. Stevie Wonder & Ray Charles have been on many TV shows & even joked about their blindness. Stevie was all up in SNL, doing skit about driving & other jokes as such. Now, I wouldn't do that & if any of us were to do such a thing, we'd be blasted to high heaven. But they did it & we all laughed. Little Richard jokes about how he invented everything but the wheel & how he was stolen from. George Foreman created a whole new & even more lucrative career by re-inventing himself as a cheeseburger eating, overweight teddy bear & did it laughing all the way to the bank. And who made more fun of themself than Richard Pryor?? However, if we tease Dianas' weave & we're being negative & doing something wrong??? I think not. If joking about themselves is good enough for people like them, it's more than good enough for me. It would be different if we joked about everyone else & not ourselves. We have thread upon thread, where we crack on ourselves & a whole lot harder than we're treating Diana here. I guarantee you that if she were to go on SNL & say what we're saying here, everyone here would find it to be humorous. You'd also find that it would humanize her a little more. There's nothing better than a person who can laugh at themselves. Some of us simply take ourselves too seriously. As long as the humor is lighthearted & not malicious, I see no harm. As one of those folks who say that it's all in humor, I say yes, it's really meant in humor. There are some things that are off limits & rightfully so. If she had a lazy eye, or a physical defect, I wouldn't joke about something like that. If she were overweight, I wouldn't joke about that. If she had suffered misfortune or something tragic, I wouldn't joke about that. But, her WEAVE????? Oh yes, I'll joke about her weave 'til the cows come home. You see, she can take off that weave whenever she chooses & it would all be good. She's not the weave, she's wearing the weave & that's what we're joking about.....the weave. If any of her kids were to read this light teasing, they'd find it to be a relief compared to the scandalous things that are said in the various media outlets, not to mention several books & interviews. If this is the worst thing that they were to ever read, it should be considered a blessing. If these jokes were to shatter them, they sure aren't ready for the real world. I pray that this is the worst thing that they encounter in life. I don't find teasing her choice of weave to be negative. In no way does kidding about her weave malign her character. It makes her guilty of no crime. I find it to be simply a matter of taste. And keeping it real, how many of us have said similar things about that neighbor down the block....that co-worker...that uncle or aunt???? Is that any less "negative", or do our entertainers get a free pass because of who they are??? Many of them do the same to each other..Dave Chappelle, Martin, D.L. & Bernie Mack come to mind. Why is it cool for them to tease each other, yet, not cool for us to do so? I'll just agree to disagree & parphrase Sonny from A Bronx Tale: "If it's not for you, it's not for you". | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1137 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.0.140 |
GREAT post, JF!!!! I second that emotion!!!! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1759 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Thanks Bobby, I certainly wasn't trying to personally disparage anyone. I'm sorry if it was taken that way, as it wasn't my intent. Heck, I remember all of the Sonny Bono jokes that were flying over the Comedy shows & I thought that those were simply in very bad taste. Even if funny, there are some jokes that you just don't make. Even when Richard Pryor made that joke about being on fire made me cringe a little. I mean, it was funny when he said it. But, I just wouldn't post a joke like that. The results could've been far more tragic & I don't find humor in tragedy. | ||
GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl) 5-Doyen Username: gogogirl Post Number: 258 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 69.1.9.65 |
Morning All, Hey Juicefree. Now you know that I used Mr. Stubbs as an example. The point was that he has family and close friends that visit this board. Just as I'm sure Ms. Ross at least has close friends that visit. But now we are getting to the crux of the matter in your opinion - I see. By bringing up Mr. Stubbs and comparing him to the baggage that is attached to Diana makes no sense in my opinion. You could have just mentioned those things about Diana without bringing up whether Mr. Stubbs is as guilty as you charge Diana. So that leads me to believe that like you've mentioned before - that you dislike Diana for the reasons you mention. And God bless you for having that right - and the right to your opinion about her - and evidently how you perceive she treated others. I would look foolish to try and caution someone not to admit that they didn't like this or that person - artist/entertainer - and not to mention said entertainer's music - works. It happens on this board all the time where someone remarks that they didn't like this or that song - movie or whatever. Again - having differences of opinions is what makes the world go around. You had already mentioned in a previous post that talking about Diana's weave was mild compared to what could have been said - and surely you proved your point. We could be here all day digging up dirt on all the artists we speak about. I've read up on some of the stuff that has been said about many of the artists that I admire - and I kept my peace. Because and again - I'd look foolish flinting all over the board trying to implore people to be nice - or to imagine that person being discussed in not so flattering of circumstances could be tuning in. I know that that is not my place or job to do so. My point was and is - that Diana is not perfect and neither are any of us. What is that old adage about "Judge not or be judged?" Now surely we all can talk all day long about a person good or bad - because that is our right and opinion. But in some cases - when will it end? Diana will ultimately be judged by God for all her sins. Surely He can handle that task. And I wouldn't think that she is afraid to meet Him. For everything negative you brought up about Ms. Ross - there is the postives that superseed it at every turn - I would bet. See that is why sometimes it is almost futile to try to crack on another - because almost always there is another side or sides to it. She is and has been a great mother. All of her girls have graduated from college and her boys probably will too. None of her children have been in trouble to the best of my knowledge - and so on. She has mentioned herself that her children are her life - and in that regard - she reminds me of Jackie O. I mean I can go on - but ultimately it does me no good to try to plead her attributes. Again - God and His Angels know her heart - faults - failures - triumps and etc way more than any of us. One more thing though about her is that she loved her parents and her brothers and sisters. She is loved and she loves - and after it is all said and done - isn't that what we all should aspire for? And she gives back. Lastly - who are we to hold grudges, and as if we have any right to? And if by some figment of our imaginations someone out there has injured us w/their behavior - is there not a thing called forgiveness and acceptance. Accept the things we can't change - and certainly let it go and move on if it has nil to do with us in the totality of the situation, and especially if it was in the past. Like when JB - Aretha - MJ and the like were raked over the coals. Diana Ross is a human being just like the rest of us. She is not perfect - has made mistakes - she loves - she gives - and she lives. "Live and Let Live." Have a good one. (Message edited by gogogirl on August 08, 2004) | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 50 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 198.81.26.46 |
Amen! Go Go Girl! | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 6-Zenith Username: ladymystique Post Number: 474 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.224.120.244 |
We need to see Diana in action besides in the headlines...despite of what others may think of her, she is definitely overdue for a comeback. She looks great! | ||
Dinelle (dinelle_watson) 5-Doyen Username: dinelle_watson Post Number: 207 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 65.6.64.70 |
Hey, do you guys remember a few months ago on Diana's birthday and she posted on the forum? I still think that was her even though it probably wasn't. | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 6-Zenith Username: ladymystique Post Number: 478 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.224.120.244 |
Dinelle, I don't remember that...I must have missed it! | ||
Dinelle (dinelle_watson) 5-Doyen Username: dinelle_watson Post Number: 208 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 65.6.64.70 |
Let me refresh your memory. It happen on the old forum. It was on Diana's birthday (March 26). BankHouseDave really wanted Ms. Ross to post on the fourm and the next day, she did. No one could believe it. | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 51 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.139 |
ah! Supreme angels everywhere! I beleive they peek in here - I do... | ||
Dinelle (dinelle_watson) 5-Doyen Username: dinelle_watson Post Number: 210 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 65.6.64.70 |
So do I, Vickie. So do I. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1776 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Go Go: I see your point. I just think that some are making this deeper than it really is. You've turned this from a weave joke into something way different. These will be my last words about this then as I said, I'll just have to agree to disagree & keep it moving after that. Man, I hate making long posts. Yes, Diana is human & has made mistakes. I'll give you a current list of folks who are equally human & have made mistakes: R. Kelly, 50 Cents, Tupac, DMX, Eddie Murphy, Shyne, Mystikal & Slick Rick. Though their mistakes are all of a different nature, they are all human & have made mistakes as well. How many of us judge them? How many of us offer them the forgiveness that you speak of? Whenever someone mentions a misdeed that an icon of ours has done, everyone is quick to say that we're digging up dirt. Do not the folks that I've mentioned above deserve the same treatment??? As far as me liking or disliking Diana, let's see.... I don't know her well enough to say that I don't like her. I've always liked her music & have bought it. I will say that I do not like many things that I've heard about her from people who have dealt with her, the published, as well as some recollections of my cousin, who happened to be a budding songwriter at the time. Now, I answered as I did, not due to a vendetta against Diana (who I have recently defended & given her just due in the Motown thread). I mentioned those things to show why people would take pot shots at her & those who behave like her, as opposed to a more down to earth, humble artist such as Levi. So, why was it ok for you to use Levi as an example & not for me to explain the differences. The remarks that I made could & do apply to many singers, some whose last name isn't Ross. That could have been left blank to fill in any of 100 artists. Joking about a weave doesn't exactly qualify as digging up dirt. Digging up dirt would be discussing areas of her personal life that is not on public display. As such, her weave is pictured everywhere & can't possibly be considered in the same light. I'm PERCEIVING how she treated others??? Truthfully, it's not important how I perceive her, I wasn't there. However, it's how Marvin Gaye, Mary Wilson, Martha Reeves, Gladys Horton, Wanda Rogers, David Ruffin & others perceived her. If you have an arguement about that, you'd have to take it up with them, as they were the ones who spoke about her, not Juice. I didn't write those books or write those articles, or do those talk shows or give any interviews regarding her. The folks that I've mentioned did & they WERE there. So, any grudges or perceptions that exist are not mine. My name wasn't mentioned in those depictions, theirs were. Now, if as you think I joked about her weave because of a latent dislike for her, then by extension of that same logic, I guess that I make jokes about myself for the same reasons. That would be erroneous, to say the least. As regards a vendetta, I can't have one against her, as she's done nothing to me. If I really had a vendetta against her, I could have come up with much better material than a weave. This is not a case where anyone is judging her about anything. This is not a case of "good" vs "evil". This is not a case where forgiveness is necessary, as she's done nothing to me. Then you assume to tell me about the "crux" of the situation, when I hadn't said ANYTHING about her, or made any statements about her until YOU brought up Levi. You used Levi to make a point & I answered you to make my point. But because I responded to the statement & explained the difference, you use that as a basis to tell me that you have gotten to the crux of the situation??? In that case, I assure you that your vision is blurred slightly. One thing that most people here can tell you is that I pull no punches & I don't bite my tongue, on anyone or anything. If I have something to say, I don't make vague or veiled statements. I don't hide behind fake names & never did. I don't throw rocks & hide my hands either. You can bet that if I had something to say about Diana, I sure would have said it. And would have stood behind my words too. On the other hand, I'm not unnecessarily mean or vicious. So, your assumption is wrong. The only agenda that I had was to do exactly what I did....to make a joke about her weave. This is simply a case of a joke. A joke that you & a few others didn't like. Nothing more & nothing less. A joke that has been turned into some kind of morality play, where her deeds wasn't even brought into question until it was brought up by you. How this ended up to be about her morals, forgiveness, imperfection, mistakes, grudges & the like is beyond me. This is really a case of thought censorship. One of the biggest problems with this forum has always been that people try to tell people who & what they can talk about & what people can or cannot say, who they can say it about, as well as how they can say it. That's led to much grief here & has led to many battles. Whether I agree with someone, I'm not big on trying to tell people what they should or should not say. If someone's being nasty or malicious, I'll blast them & have done so on many occassions. Regardless, I'm not going to tell anyone what they should or should not say. And, inevitably when you try to tell grown folks what they should or should not say, you end up here. The fact of the matter is that we have certain sacred cows here & there's hell to pay if you dare utter a word about them. I've seen people talk about all kinds of singers, not jokes about weaves, but out & out abuse. Especially today's singers, who catch more flack than certain icons. Icons who have acted just as bad, if not worse than they have. I don't hear the thought police speaking up for them either. I don't see the fair minded speaking up for them. However, there are certain people that we can't say ANYTHING about, unless we're kissing their feet, or assorted body parts. For example, it's ok to talk about Kelly Rowland, but it's not cool to talk about Diana Ross. It's cool to knock or joke about Puffy, but not joke about Berry, however midly. It's alright for some to knock Destinys Child, but not The Supremes. It's ok to joke & talk about Musiq, but not Otis Williams. You know what that's called??? That's called hypocracy & I'm not with that. There are just too many sacred cows that are untouchable here & the sacred cows are none too sacred at all. We also have too many apologists here. If someone happens to be a personal favorite, the sky falls whenever someone says something less than flattering. Even though said artists' personal life has been all over the news, in books & in police line ups. Regardless of the fact that their crimes, surliness or indescretions, are well documented, guess what?? I have to read 10 million excuses about how they're only human. About how it's their personal business. About how we shouldn't talk about their dirty laundry, that no one's perfect, it's a lie, etc., etc., ad nauseam. On the other hand, if certain CURRENT artists end up on the police blotter & their dirty laundry is aired, almost EVERYBODY talks bad about them & it's all good. All of a sudden, it's not so private anymore. Now, they're not a human being who makes mistakes. Suddenly, it's not their personal business anymore. You could get whiplash, from watching the rush of those trying to pile on. People seem to pick & choose who gets the benefit of the doubt & who doesn't. They choose who has the human right to make mistakes & again, who doesn't. That is also called hypocracy & I don't buy into that. And while I'm talking about hypocracy, let me get real about it. In recent months, we have lost a few artists that some here have made MANY uncomplimentary remarks about. Not jokes, but VERY unflattering remarks. Then, when tragedy strikes, these same folks are all sad & heartbroken. Now everyone wants to be reverent & say all of the right things. That is also hypocracy & I'm a bit tired of the "moralists" & the double standards that don't apply to EVERYONE OF OUR ARTISTS. The new jacks have the right to be as screwed up as some of our lauded icons were & are. However, they don't get the same slack, now do they? If Mary J acts nasty, she's a B. If some of our icons act like a jerk, well, they're stars. That's also hypocracy, a jerk is a jerk, be they a young jerk or an older jerk. So, how about this: the next time that another young singer is busted for molestation, I want everyone to give them the same courtesy extended to our icons. The next artist busted for solicitation should receive the same courtesy. The next wife beater, assaulter, drug addict, philanderer, thief & thug likewise. After all, they're just as human as our classic Soul stars, aren't they?? Or does the right to make mistakes, be nasty & have flaws extend only to our icons & heroes, whose DOCUMENTED misdeeds are chalked up to "being human"?? Sounds hypocritical to me. I'm not into sacred cows. I only like my cows ground & served on a bun with ketchup, or on my left hand when I'm trying to catch a fly ball. I love James Brown & Michael Jackson to death. However, I'll joke about them too. They're men, not Gods. If I should cross the line between decent & indecent, I'm sure that our moderator will let me know. As for myself, I'm not going to censor anyone over a mild joke. Nor will I let anyone censor me regarding what's funny, or not funny. Much less who I can & cannot joke about. If I see a mild joke that's not particularily funny to me, oh well. It's not for me to tell someone what kind of sense of humor to have. If they're just being vicious, that's an entirely different story. As I said if it's not for you, it's not for you & I'm not mad at you. However, I will continue to make jokes & I make no apologies about it. Live & let live, indeed! As such, the jokes will continue where applicable. The bottom line is this: God & Jesus are the only ones whom I won't joke about. Everyone else is fair game. Dinelle & Vickie: Well if they do peek in here, I sure hope that they have a semblance of a sense of humor. And their weaves better be correct. If I can laugh & poke fun at myself here, you better believe that they're fair game. That's just how it goes (Message edited by juicefree20 on August 09, 2004) (Message edited by juicefree20 on August 09, 2004) | ||
Linda Di. (linda_di_fsg) 4-Laureate Username: linda_di_fsg Post Number: 141 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.67.206.19 |
Juice -- is that a bald spot or a solar panel for a sex machine? | ||
Vonnie (vonnie) 5-Doyen Username: vonnie Post Number: 234 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
I will always love The Supremes, Diana included. They were the group that changed the image of Black Women. Previously there was Lena Horne and others, but the Supremes brought black women into the mainstream. I remember Oprah Winfrey talking about seeing the Supremes for the first time on the Ed Sullivan Show. Oprah said everyone was on the phone calling each other because this was such a momentus occasion. I also remember that show and I was mesmerized by these three women who exuded elegance and glamour. I was so excited and inspired by their appearance on that show, I also wanted to become a singer. Eli, you more than anyone else should know that the Supremes put the two of us together. My friend had me call you to work with our girl group and the rest is history. Diana, Thank You For The Wonderful Music! I wish you all the best.  | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 53 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 198.81.26.46 |
I usually only say nice things about the singers I love, I have always been able to separate their personal lives from their artistry, you have to - I wouldn't like anyone if I judged them by the private life.......I have no proof that things said about people are true unless I know them or have experineced it myself. The music and how it touches my life is what's important, and also the fact I know others feel the same way as me. Being in the entertainment business MANY, MANY actors, artists, singers, etc, demand MANY , MANY things and I know first hand that most of the time it's THEIR PEOPLE doing it for them, not the artists themselves - they get spoiled.... I demand repsect also so I have no problem with someone who wants to be called Ms. or Mr. There are lots of men who demand Mr. but a woman is not allowed to demand that same courtesy.. I love Ms. Ross, Ms. Wilson and the late Ms. Ballard. Ms Birdsong and Ms. Jean Terrell are of the utmost importance to the legacy... I want to see them sing again....I find that I feel this way also about ABBA but I know ABBA does not peek in on this messege board. Most of the legends I love are gone...Most of them are solo acts...Vonnie I'm glad you love The Supremes just like me and I know Bobby appreciates them too Supremes passion gets people in debates every time... I love it! That means they "touch" you somehow | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1155 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.48.65 |
Hey JF, another great and sensible post my bro! Vonnie, yes the Supremes were the catalyst for our wonderful meeting. I only wish that the recording session would have been a hit! BTW..Halle Berry has a GREAT weave, and oh so natural. | ||
Dinelle (dinelle_watson) 5-Doyen Username: dinelle_watson Post Number: 211 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 67.35.253.94 |
Vonnie, where in the world do you get all these great portraits? | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1779 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Linda, Actually, it's been mistaken for a new celestial body. I'm telling you, I've had Government agents seaching my dome looking for signs of extra terrestial activity. Then there are the accidents, oh the accidents!!! The glare bouncing off of my head has been directly responsible for at least 3 major accidents & several traffic tie ups. I can't go to the park anymore, cause birds try to perch on it like it's a flagpole. I can't even walk through the woods at night.....dogs start howling, people do strange things in the bushes. Why, because my head looks like a full moon over Brooklyn. This is my cross to bear. Now, you know why I'm so crazy Vickie, You know that you're talking the truth there. They do touch us, very deeply. I love reading your posts because you are a fan, I mean a real fan!!! You are diehard & I respect that to the fullest. You also have a sense of humor & I respect that as well. Now, our memories of the past run deep & I grew up listening to The Supremes & all of that great music. But, since you said that you usually only say nice things about your favorite stars, I think that most of us do likewise. With that said, what do you, or we, say about the astists that we don't particularily like??? What you say also illustrates another point that we all should consider. So often it is said that we shouldn't get into these folks personal lives, that it's their business & you know what....that is the biggest joke that I've ever heard. It's utter nonsense. It's bull for the following reasons. Remember when you were a kid & they had Tiger Beat, 16, Teen Beat or Right On?? What were those magazines' main function??? They existed so that people would feel a connection to certain artists. They fed us whatever stories, real or imagined that they chose to. Right down to their favorite color & foods. They INVITED the entire world into their lives, because they knew that the most important thing was for them to form a PERSONAL (so we thought at the time) connection to us, their fans. You see, if we connected with them & became interested in them as PEOPLE, we'd become loyal supporters of them. Why, because we think that we know them, they're our friends. So, their labels, press agents & publicists have never had a problem with spreading half truths & blatant lies to us. It's been that way since Edison made the first cylinder roll & hasn't changed yet. It wasn't considered digging up dirt when the girls talked about David Cassidys' favorite food, or what the young Michael Jackson liked in a girl. Hey, everyone was only going along with what was written in fanzines & in those fan club releases & on LP covers. WE didn't write that garbage, they did in a psychological play on our minds. They've been manipulating the fans from day one & most of us fell for it. So, why is it so tragic & considered digging dirt when one of us mention things that have been well documented about any of our stars?? Like I said, we can talk about the neighbor down the block or co-worker, but not an entertainer who is equally as offensive??? Why, because they can't sing or dance? Because they haven't made a song or two that we like?? Discussing things that have been documented & proven factual is not digging up dirt. You can't dig up a bone that's already been dug up. What we're stating then are facts. The problem is that some people don't want to deal in facts, they want to deal in memories. Or rather, they want to talk about who they want to talk about, but not their favorite stars. It reminds me of the In Living Color skit. The one where Kim Wayans talks about the whole neighborhhood, but then says "Don't nobody talk about Mrs Jenkins, I lose it when someone says something bad about Mrs Jenkins." As I said, some folks are fair game, others are off limits & that's what I take issue with. In no way does speaking facts detract from their various good deeds or great music. It humanizes them but, I've come to realize that some folks don't really want their idols to be real human beings with egos, attitudes & problems. They'd rather remember them for who they THOUGHT that they were....unflawed GODS that can do no wrong. They're blinded by the glitz, the glamour & all of those lost lost moments of long ago. I love James Brown, Michael Jackson & many others. I'll also spank their butts if they show out. I don't want my idols to be unblimished. I want them to be human. For me to put them on a pedestal as something God-like & above reproach, is to diminish all of us "normal" people who will receive no special favors, nor receive any free passes for our mistakes. It's alright to like anyone that you want to. However, it's wrong to try to make excuses for them & overlook their indescretions. Unless you afford EVERYONE the same treatment, that is. Bobby: I find that baldness has allowed my brain to receive higher concentrations of sun & oxygen. As such, I analyze & think too much. Perhaps it's not the oxygen....maybe the sun is actually slowly baking my grey matter. Damn, where is my hat when I need it (Message edited by juicefree20 on August 09, 2004) | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1166 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.48.65 |
Thats it!!!!Thats it JF!!!! The title of your book..... Full Moon Over Brooklyn!! Its got a nice ring to it! yes..... Full Moon Over Brooklyn!! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1784 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Bobby That could be a plan. I only fear that some might think of it as a book about a bunch of guys from Bensonhurst, flashing people moons, as they drove down Bay Parkway on a Saturday night in 1961. BLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUE.....MOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOON | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1168 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.48.65 |
Bensonhurst...LOL !! Vinny, Vito, Petey, Richie,Rocco, PAULIE and of course their ladies, Gina, Anna Marie,Maria, Angelina, Gianna, Michelle, and Roseanna!! Marrone!!@!#$%^&*()_+ | ||
paulie3$hoes (paulie3hoes) 4-Laureate Username: paulie3hoes Post Number: 118 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.48.65 |
eh bensonhoist..now youse tawkin dats my neckadawoods, capice??@#$%^&* an alla dem peeple is my goombas, catch my drift, but wit all due respekt one o' dem is on da witness pertekshun and da udder one is sleepin' wit da fishes, dat mudder f***er!!!@#$^*( | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1793 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
And that's why I'm scurred of that title. They may take the title the wrong way. I want to keep my moon in one piece. Excuse me, make that two pieces!!! | ||
Destruction (destruction) 5-Doyen Username: destruction Post Number: 250 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.173.225.22 |
Juice, I know me and you is tight....but I really hope to god that you wasn't talkin bout ms jenkins. Lawd, don't nobody bet not be talkin bout ms jenkins. Say it so...I don't want us to become unbenefited. | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 54 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 64.236.243.31 |
Hey Juice, Good points and well said...I guess I am differernt. I never did beleive Tiger Beat when I was a kid, I thought it was baloney and come to find out it was ..David Cassisy, Leif Garrett, Andy Gibb, and the others were not at all like their sqeaky clean image put in those magazine, neither are the kids of today in them..Britney, Justin etc...... I worked at a PR firm at a young age (18) and I saw first hand how much was put into the image of celebritys, very deliberate things placed intot he press to sell that celeb....I know they are not perfect..but I would not like their music if I got entagled in what they do in private..they are normal folks who are popular, with money , and in the public eye, they have people behind them trying to make them, keep them famous, they have the same issues you and I have though at the end of the day...I'd feel the same about a co-worker, or neighbor..If I know how you are outside of work (outside the public eye) I may not give you the time of day at work (buy your records) The less I know the better and I don't think that means I idolize someone.....I enjoy the music so much and I like looking through rose colored glasses since I do have my other role models in real life..For me ignorance is bliss sometimes.....I love Rick James and to judge him when he brought a lot of joy to my life is not fair - I don't know him, nor do I know what his life was about and what his trials were..But the man is awesome and his music is great and I am glad to say I am indeed a fan of his talents....A fan of the music, not a fan of their perosonal trials.. They are human and they hurt like we do... I see what you are saying....I just love the music so much and I see that Diana gets it bad sometimes from her public, a public that loves her and they like to dish on her.... There's alwasy something good to find, and there is alwsy something bad to find... I like to look for the good... Love Ya Juice!! You make good sense.. Vickie | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1797 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Vickie, Damn, you were a very perceptive person at such a young age. There are people who will shout down anything unflattering, regardless of any proof. I too would prefer to remember my idols for their good points. As you rightfully said, they are just as human as we are & that's my point. I know that my heroes are flawed & sometimes, not very nice people. However, I won't get mad if someone points it out. I still love their music & still support them. Yes, Diana gets a lot of pounding & it's usually unfair. I don't know Diana to be any worse than any other entertainer. I respect what she's accomplished & I respect the fact that she gave thousands of little girls a target to shoot for. Things such as her classy style of dress, proper speech & mannerisms were in my eyes, very important, in an era when minority women just weren't given a platform to prove their intelligence & were still play mammy roles on TV & in movies. As a Black man, you'd better believe that I have the utmost respect for her accomplishments & positive image that my own sisters could strive for. I will agree with you whole heartedly that Dianas' caught a lot of unfair flack. A lot & most of it vicious. Much of that is due to people & where their loyalties lie. So, it shows that one persons sacred cow is another persons meal. I am sure glad that you understand what I'm trying to say & that you understand that I was joking. I'm glad that you understood the spirit of my kidding. Hell, I loved my wife, rest her soul & kidded her whenever she got extensions. And she'd laugh about it & I laughed when she teased me about having a Tweety Bird shaped head whenever I'd cut off my hair. I guess that I can laugh at myself because I just don't take myself that seriously. And, I think that it's great that I don't. This world is filled with too many self-important pompous folks And we're none the better for it either. I'd rather laugh every now & then. It's good for the soul. I love you right back Vickie, you're a pip. And you are one loyal fan. I sure hope that your ultimate musical wish comes true. I'll be clapping right along with you when it does | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 56 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 198.81.26.46 |
That was a great post Juice.. Now tell me how we can get ABBA back together I always joke that I want Diana, Mary and Cindy to sing for me, I say that because sometimes I I'd like to see that more than any singers of now and I think I want it more than most people...I know WHEN they sing they will be singing for millions who love them as much as I do... I make a good effort to see my favorites if they are still touring....Diana and Mary have been performers I have been waiting for for a very long time for...I'll be the first in line.. AS FOR MY DIVINE WILL! I know I will see them together in my life time singing all of my favorite Supremes songs.... "Someday They'll Be Together" | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1800 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Vickie, I sure hope that you are right. It really would be great to see. That is definitely one of my frustrations, I just want to see some kind of happy resolution to the situation. Maybe that's my idealism kicking in but, I'd love to see it happen & soon. I'm with you so, KEEP THE SUPREME FAITH | ||
Linda Di. (linda_di_fsg) 4-Laureate Username: linda_di_fsg Post Number: 144 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.67.206.19 |
I will see Mary in two weeks at the NY State Fair and will ask her about any reunion possibility updates. I am the consummate Supremes fan, and in my heart -- sadly -- I don't believe it will happen. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm probably not. I'll bet everybody here has a friend or relative that they just can't deal with anymore. No matter what -- ya ain't gonna get back together again. I think the impasse here is wide. No one person is at fault. It is what it is ... | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1810 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Linda, I think that you just got to the heart of the matter. I also believe that with all of the people choosing up sides & picking at the scab, even if they wanted to, they probably wouldn't begin to know how to patch this up. There's been so much said, it's likely that neither one of them would know how to start with the repairs. I think that they'd have to be trapped somewhere alone, with no other folks to intefere, with no way out. The only way that they could do this is to be one on one, for awhile with no antagonists. It seems as though they have a lot to get out of their systems. Until they can do that, little will change. | ||
Dinelle (dinelle_watson) 5-Doyen Username: dinelle_watson Post Number: 212 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 65.6.64.8 |
Like Linda, I too would like to see The Supremes back together for a reunion. | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 59 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 64.236.243.31 |
I believe they love each other and will do it for me (um, I mean the fans ) Signed, Rose colored glasses and looking at the bright side !! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1816 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Vickie, Nah, you're not looking through rose colored glasses. You're wishing for something that makes total & absolute perfect sense. | ||
Uptight (uptight) 4-Laureate Username: uptight Post Number: 111 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.161.239.218 |
Juice! Your post from Monday, August 09, 2004 - 8:06 pm has just reminded us of some important POSITIVE points that are too often overshadowed: "Things such as her classy style of dress, proper speech & mannerisms were in my eyes, very important, in an era when minority women just weren't given a platform to prove their intelligence & were still play mammy roles on TV & in movies. As a Black man, you'd better believe that I have the utmost respect for her accomplishments & positive image that my own sisters could strive for." Well said, man. | ||
Vonnie (vonnie) 5-Doyen Username: vonnie Post Number: 246 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.139 |
Uptight, Your post is right on target! The Supremes had such a positive effect on my pre-teen and teen years. I was in awe of those young women, they exuded elegance and grace. I wanted to be a Supreme. | ||
marv (marv) 4-Laureate Username: marv Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.200 |
I use to want to see a Supremes Reunion with Mary Wilson and Diana Ross, but not anymore. Not if it is going to cause Mary any undue stress. She's paid her dues already and has an excellent show as a soloist. If anything , I would prefer to see Mary,Cindy and Jean get together for one special show. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1843 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Thank you Uptight, I've chastized Diana a bit over the years. But when you get right down to it, she is as much an architect of Motowns' success as Berry & Smokey were. Some people might say that's a ridiculous statement, but, I'll try to explain why it's not as far fetched as it sounds. Remember the story about why Branch Rickey chose Jackie Robinson to break Baseballs' color line? If Jackie had blown it, it would have set back that movement for perhaps another decade. Now, imagine Berry, a Black man who owned a fledgling little label in Detroit, getting a shot in Vegas & with Jules Podell at The Copa. Imagine what Motowns' fate would have been had Diana, Mary or Flo blown it?? Believe me, many careers have been lost or at least stunted, due to some stupid, irresponsible action of an artist. If the girls would have blown it, Motowns' name would've been mud & the repercussions would have taken years, if ever at all, to overcome. To their credit, The Supremes & Diana in particular, did everything as it should have been done & their fame, as well as Motowns', grew proportionally. The world became their oyster & believe me, Berry knew that. That's why he chose to hold on to Diana, while eventually disregarding the others. He knew what he had & while The Supremes were STARS, Berry held onto what he believed to be a SHOOTING STAR!! History has certainly proven him to be correct, hasn't it??? (Message edited by juicefree20 on August 11, 2004) (Message edited by juicefree20 on August 11, 2004) | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 6-Zenith Username: ladymystique Post Number: 527 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.37.228.252 |
Much has been said about Diana, but I give her props...she is a major contributor to pop culture and to soul/pop music as well as a fashion icon IMO. I mean, her dresses were to die for (thanks to Bob Mackie) and she wore them well! |
