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Lady Mystique (ladymystique)
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Post Number: 451
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Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 10:28 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here it is Ralph! :-)

I fixed the spelling Lady M.
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Ralph Terrana (ralph)
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Lady M,
A message from Moe and me......GOD BLESS YOU!!!!
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Lady Mystique (ladymystique)
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Post Number: 456
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LOL Thank you! And just noticed I mispelled your name...sorry!

NOW...

That darn song..."I got joy I got fun..." or whatever...I HATE that song!
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Sue (sue)
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Post Number: 113
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Oh, there's a whole treatise on "Seasons in the Sun" on one of the past ERRGGGH threads.

But there's always more to be said about "Seasons in the Sun," have at it!

I'll recommend a newer (sort of) one, Lou Bega's "Mambo No. 5." This song features one of the cheesiest, worst synth lines I've ever heard ...and Detroiters who listen to news radio (OK, I'm a geek) are tortured by the use of this song on WWJ all the time.

It's somehow supposed to convey whimsy and fun -wheee! People, this song is from 1999! It was a passing fad, a trifle, meant to blow away in the wind like the flimsy, contrived, shallow piece of fluff it is ...
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douglasm (douglasm)
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we had seasons in the sun....
Jacques Berl is alive and well and living in Terry Jacks, the best thing to come out of Canada since The Dorians.

Could someone tell me if Clint Holmes and Rupert Holmes are secretly one in the same person.....
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Gil (gil)
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Sorry...they're different. Clint on left.

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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Post Number: 1638
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I hereby nominate Cousin Of Mine by Sam Cooke. I think that was Sam's attempt at capturing that elusive West Virginian Mountain crowd. I still down know what in blazes Sam was thinking about with this song.

Thank you for starting this thread Lady M. It's near & dear to my heart (sniff, sniff...Tito, get the tissue...sniff, sniff).

Ralph & Moe: As Ralph & Mortimer said in Coming In America......."We're Back!!!!!" :-)

(Message edited by juicefree20 on August 04, 2004)
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Ralph Terrana (ralph)
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Post Number: 462
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From Moe....1910 Fruitgum Company.."Simon Sez"...As Moe comments..." Oh Puke!! '
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Post Number: 1046
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Puttin on the Ritz by Taco

F**k you i dont want you back by Eamon and his follow up called , Them Ho's eccccchhhh!!!!!
How do these awful things even get made?
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paulie3$hoes (paulie3hoes)
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scusa..eh not fer nuttin but i got made??@#$%^&
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hey Bobby:

Thanks for giving me my entry. I "borrowed" your publishing for the inspired mention of Tie A Yellow Ribbon. I still hate that record. I was always hoping that she didn't tie that ribbon 'round that old oak tree. I was kinda hoping that he'd come home to find the butcher give her a special choice cut of meat, or the mailman making a special delivery to her box. ERRGGH....I HATE THIS DUMB SONG!!!

Why the whole damn bus should have cared is beyond me. I mean, how did they even know his circumstances? Was he on Oprah? Sally Jessie Raphael? Geraldo? He never told us why we should care about his plight. So, I was supposed to believe that an entire bus & town had nothing to do but worry about him. SURRRRRE!!!

To make matters worse, this shining example of a piece of dreck obviously had hypnotic powers, far beyond those of mortal man! From what Bobby says, this piece of flotsam was recorded over ONE THOUSAND TIMES??!!??!! PREPOSTEROUS!!! What were they thinking of? Seriously, 70s music just wasn't that bad!!

Every down on his/her luck person latched on to that song like barnicles on a hull & made it their personal anthem. Shame on them all for doing so!!!

Ralph: Simple Juice says: I second Moe's regurgitation & will raise her one Pepto Bismol!! Simple Simon says put your thumb down your throat, put your thumb down your throat, Simon Says!!! YUKKK!!!!

Bobby: I will forward your royalties!
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soulseeker (soulseeker)
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You light up my life, you give me hope. Classic '70s drivel. Stayed at the top of the charts too.
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Moe (moe)
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OK Juice, I see you your Pepto Bismol and I raise you 3 Zantacs....our latest offering is "Sugar, Sugar" by The Archies. How sweet (not).`Ralph is lying here & telling me about the endless possibilities of this thread...these are among his favorites.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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JF..
Tie a yellow ribbon was, believe it or not writen by two old friends of mine, Larry Brown and Irwin Levine.
Sadly, Irwin passed away several years ago.
BTW, he also co wrote Black pearl.

Larry (L. Russel) Brown has commendations from several presidents on his music room wall fro that song.

BTW, they also wrote Knock three times, whos in the strawbery patch with Sally and some more.

Ribbon was passed on at least three times by Tony Orlando himself but then he finally gave in.
You should hear the demo!!
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Ralph Terrana (ralph)
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Post Number: 471
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HEY!!!!! WAIT A MINUTE!!!! Are you guys telling me that this thread isn't going to skyrocket???? I can't believe this! Come on you ERRGGH fans...make me smile...
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Don't worry Ralphie,

I'm working on some of those old chestnuts. As I'm looking forward to the Christmas Season, tonights' entry comes to you straight from Memphis. I give you the Kings' version of Here Comes Santa Claus.

If he were alive, I would simply ask him one question..........

WHY ELVIS......WHY?????
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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Post Number: 338
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Hey Ralph, I've got one for you and I'm not sure if anyone will agree with me. LOL. I've ALWAYS hated Roberta Flack's 'The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face' AND 'Killing Me Softly With His Song'! UGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH! She kills me alright! I want to go somewhere and kill myself every time I hear her croaking one of her depressing and suicidal ballads!

I'll take Abba's 'Dancing Queen' or even 'Fernando' over Miss Flack! I've never gotten that woman's appeal? Will someone please tell me what it's all about? :-(
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Ralph Terrana (ralph)
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Post Number: 473
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Rodmann,
To each his own. In all honesty ( and I'll probably be stoned alive here ) I have always liked Abba's work.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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All of Elvis' schlocky movie music. yeccch!!
How could he? Was it an "offer he couldnt refuse"?,capice?@#$%
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Ralph Terrana (ralph)
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And he always seemed to do it with such enthusiasm. I could never quite figure that out Bobby.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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With such great hit songs like Elvis had, why and how could he have picked those awful songs?
I'm sure that publishing interest had a lot to do with it, but what about his credibility?
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soulseeker (soulseeker)
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Roberta Flack has a beautiful voice. Its very soothing. For the record I like Abba too, lol. To each his own is all I can say.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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I love Abba too!
I also love Roberta Flack for her fine artistry and great taste in choosing her material.
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Sue (sue)
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A beautiful voice can make a bad record, although I like Roberta F's "First Time" too (it's just overplayed)...

An example of a voice I like is Don McLean's, but "American Pie" -- ouch ...I'm having trouble remembering when that atrocity sounded good.

There's no excuse for that song to be played once a day, as it is, on schlock oldies stations nationwide ...
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Manny (manny)
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I also likes all I've heard or have by Roberta Flack.
One of my oldier singles "When You Smile" / "No Tears" i have heard it hundreds of times.

About Abba, I can't be "impartial". They gained the Eurovision Edition one year at first 70's (with "Waterlou") and in my home, my mother who only likes flamenco, buy a tape of Adba (this is the correct tipping) with "Chiquitita" (his favorite) and played it many times.

Sometimes we can't separate the sentimental value from the intrinsecal value.

Sue, you're so right! How a good voice as Wilson Pickett can "degradate" to covering the Archie's "Sugar"?


Peace & Soul Food
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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OH LET ME BE (Oh let him be).....YORRRRR TEDDY BEAR
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Sue (sue)
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Sentimental value is a very important part of some of these records ...

But you know what? Everybody bashes poor "Sugar, Sugar" so much, I'm starting to feel defensive about it -- I don't have as big a problem with it. It never pretended to be anything but the flimsiest pop song.

Compare that with any Billy Joel song, or "American Pie," which have incredible pretensions ...

Confession: As a young teenager, I liked the "Archies" guy's voice, he sounded young.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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And exactly what were Ron & Bill thinking about when they sang "It"??? I guess that they forsaw the E.T. craze 30 some years ahead of time. By jove, they were prescient!!!
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Ralph Terrana (ralph)
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WE can't remember the artist, but how about " Hooked On A Feeling "? Moe keeps saying something about...OOGA CHAGA..OOGA...CHAGA...but I'm lost...any help??
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Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
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Ralph - the group were Blue Swede.

You really needed to know that, didn't you :-)
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Chi Drummer (chidrummer)
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I'm feelin' ya, Sue. I still have my Archies album. I was luke warm on Sugar,Sugar but the LP has some pretty cool pop tunes on it. The lead singer's name was Ron Dante and he still works from time to time.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Ah Ralph,

You're talking about Blue Swede. I have to admit that I kinda liked that "OOGA, CHAGA, OOGA, OOGA" chant.

I also liked Sugar, Sugar. Hey.... I was 9 years old.

Ron Dante also sang on Leader Of The Laundromat, did he not???

I hope this will not affect our friendship :-)

(Message edited by juicefree20 on August 06, 2004)
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Ralph Terrana (ralph)
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Davie,
Thanks for enlightening us. I never would have guessed.....

OK Juice...How about.." They're Coming To Take Me Away" ?
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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I agree Ralph. I've never minded Abba at all (at least some of their songs). They never pretended to be hip or soulful. What you saw was what you got. Harmless Pop Music. Most of it was upbeat and some of it was pretty good. This is coming from someone who didn't have to hear it on the radio a million times a day because I wasn't alive! LOL.

I don't mind harmless Pop groups like Abba but what kills me are the depressing, over-sentimental ballads and the "artists" that sing them who are supposed to be SO DEEP! Morris Albert's 'Feelings', Jim Croce's 'Time In A Bottle', Roberta Flack, Sade, Barbara Streisand and their shenanigans! YUCK.

And since I'm in a brutally honest mood here are a few more "classics" that I just can't stand:

'The Love I Saw In You Was Just A Mirage' - Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
'Brown Eyed Girl' - Van Morrison
'Piano In The Dark' - Brenda Russell (Roberta Flack inspired nonsense)
'Get Here' - ANY VERSION! :-(
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Ralph, I was 6 when Napoleon IV treated us to that one. I thought that it was funny, though my grandmother hated it. She thought that it made fun of mentally ill people. I thought that she was just a tad too sensitive & that's coming from a guy who has a mentally handicapped sister.

That song was simply hilarious & I can't believe the furor that song created back in '66. They actually banned the song on many radio stations. I love it still!!!

But then, I've heard..."You're a littl bit touched you know, Juicie Baby."
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soulseeker (soulseeker)
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'The Love I Saw In You Was Just A Mirage' - Smokey Robinson & The Miracles

LOL! I love that song.
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Sue (sue)
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"Mirage" is a great song ...!
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zebop (zebop)
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I like the Jackson 5 version of "Mirage" too. Never was too crazy about "Piano in the Dark" either...

(Message edited by zebop on August 06, 2004)
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douglasm (douglasm)
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Ron Dante was also a (the?) Cuff Link ("Tracy"), by the way......

In mentioning Morris Albert, are we opening up the Harry Chapin songwriting school can of worms?

I'll leave the worst excesses of Bob Crewe ("Kiss Me Sailor" by Diane Rene) for a later time.....
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Gil (gil)
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"The Love I Saw In You..."! I am reading the "reviews" of the song as I am listening to it on my computer. Weird!!

For the record, that song is EXCELLENT!!
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Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
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Rodmann, with you all the way on "Brown Eyed Girl"
- the only things by him that are even worse are those crap "songs" he gave Bert Berns to get out of his contract.

La La La La La La, La La La Ti Da .. AAAAAAARRRGGH
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Gil (gil)
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I like the guitar work in "Brown Eyed Girl". I hear Van never cared for the song.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hey Davie,

I think that Phil Spector has it all over Van. His "Do The Screw" was the ultimate slap in the face, as that's just what old Phil did to his buddy with that song...figuratively & literally!! Rememeber him singing that hook in a sarcastic, monotone voice, while the girls chirped along merrily in the background???

I'da punched Phil in the mouth!!!

(Message edited by juicefree20 on August 06, 2004)
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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I figured that the 'The Love I Saw In You Was Just A Mirage' comment would get a rise out of this board's Motown purists! LOL. I personally can't stand the song. How poor Smokey Robinson went from recording excellent Soul like 'You Really Got A Hold On Me' and 'Ooo Baby Baby' to watered down fluff like 'Mirage' is beyond me? I guess some artists will record anything to get a Pop hit. I've never gotten the appeal of the soulless hit 'Tears Of A Clown' either!

"La La La La La La, La La La Ti Da" Ugggggghhhhhhhhh! LOL. Davie, 'Brown Eyed Girl' sounds like the garage band at a drunken frat party! Lousy song, lousy playing by the band and even more lousy singing by Van. And I thought that Bob Dylan and Mick Jagger were bad singers. Ha! Leave it ol' Van to give a worse vocal performance than either one of them ever did! :-(
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SteveS (steves)
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I had promised myself that I would stay out of this thread, and I was doing just fine until some wiseguy comes along and throws Harry Chapin into the mix. Have you no shame?

FROM THE ERRGGH VAULT OF GOLDEN GARBAGE:

Harry Chapin tried, albeit unsuccessfully, to conceal his horrifying crime against humanity (Cat's in the Cradle) with various charitable and fund raising efforts. When this didn't work, he took the easy way out by dying (see previous comments in this thread re Sonny Bono's solution to his "Cher problem"). Meanwhile, we're swimming in the dreckage*.

* ref: John Dixon
============================== ==============
Somehow, with the spirited discussion of Harry Chapin's "Cat's in the Cradle", I had the good fortune to forget about his big hit "Taxi". Harry understood that a really bad song needs a REALLY bad ending, so after droning through about 300 mind-numbing verses with lyrics that would embarass a 3rd grader, he turns up the reverb, wakes up the string players, and drives the ridiculous point of the song home with a wrecking ball in a moronic tag ending where he sings "I'm flyyyyyying, so hiiiiiigh, cause I'm stoooned".

Sorry Harry, that's no excuse, it's craaaaap. And hey, in this case LTLFC's parents would have been right! You have to wonder if the guy really died, or if the recording industry has something like the Witness Relocation Program to help guys like that start over again with a new identity.
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Sue (sue)
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I have a friend who shall remain nameless, who came to live near Harry...Harry's witless, corny oeuvre was everything my friend stood against with every fiber of his being ...thus he was horrified to find out that Harry was ... a nice guy. Imagine the horror of having to smile at nice neighbor Harry while hoping he was staying far, far away from the recording studio ...

Thank you for reminding me of the moronic, weird coda to "Taxi" which will now haunt my dreams!
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Sue (sue)
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Ok here's one. I know I should like it ...the lyrics are heartfelt -- maybe a little TOO over the top. But it's definitely the treacly melody that sends me running for the Tums ..."Have I Told You Lately" ...

The way Van rumbles it ..."Have I told you lately that I love you/Have I told you there�s no one else above you ...Fill my heart with gladness
Take away all my sadness
Ease my troubles that�s what you do" ...

Something just a little too pat about that.

That isn't the same guy who gave me "Into the Mystic."
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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Since it was brought up that Ron Dante was the voice of the Cuff Links, it should be noted that the man who took over for him after "Tracy" was none other than...Rupert Holmes!

I have no problem with "Brown Eyed Girl" or "Have I Told You Lately", but we real Van fans know what the man can do!

Best,

Mark
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Chi Drummer (chidrummer)
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Alright! this is gettin' ugly...
Here's some more wood for the fire:

The Isley Bros. - Summer Breeze
James Brown - King Heroin (too much drama)
McFadden/Whitehead - Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now
Barbara Streisand - The Way We Were

boy, I hope I don't get sent to the penalty box for this batch
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Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
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Post Number: 130
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Juice, I've read about "Do The Screw" but have never heard it. I wonder if I should start searching or leave it to my imagination.
I always wondered how the Crystals explained to their friends and families - "What's your new
single like, dear ?" - Err, umm ... LOL

Mark, I've been a fan of Van Morrison for more years than I care to think of but I've never taken to that song - anything that goes "La La .."
always smacks to me of either lack of inspiration or plain contempt. But you're right - we know what he's capable of when he's on form.

Sue, isn't "Have I Told You .." "borrowed" from some old song ? It sounded instantly familiar on first hearing but I'm damned if I can figure out exactly why.
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Sue (sue)
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Yeah Davie, it sounds like some old Irish folk song, now that you mention it.

Re "Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now" -- Chidrummer, you are in the penalty box! Anyone with a drop of Philadelphian blood in them beams with pride listening to that ...it was the theme song for the champion Sixers, wasn't it? Don't mess with Philly.
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Chi Drummer (chidrummer)
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Aw come on Ref!!! (sound of skate blades across the ice. Slam of the penalty box door)

I didn't mind the song the first 150 times, but it just got over played to death in Chicago, in Cincinati, in LA; I just couldn't escape it. Then the song turned up every time some underdog sports team, political candidate or civil service project wanted to push everyone's emotional buttons. I've just OD'd on the tune.
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soulseeker (soulseeker)
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figured that the 'The Love I Saw In You Was Just A Mirage' comment would get a rise out of this board's Motown purists! LOL. I personally can't stand the song. How poor Smokey Robinson went from recording excellent Soul like 'You "Really Got A Hold On Me' and 'Ooo Baby Baby' to watered down fluff like 'Mirage' is beyond me? I guess some artists will record anything to get a Pop hit. I've never gotten the appeal of the soulless hit 'Tears Of A Clown' either!"

I don't know about being a Motown purist. I just like the song. I haven't heard the Jackson 5 version since I was a kid. Now on the other hand, Tears of a Clown just irritates the crap out of me. That circus music at the beginning just gets on my last nerve.
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Larry (larry)
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I once wasted an afternoon with a friend, discussing and going through the permutations of lyric content from and otherwise gorgeous song (IMO) by David Gates, "It Don't Matter To Me".

"It doesn't matter to me"
"It do not matter to me"

you get the idea. And no... I didn't have the gall to bring up his other gramma-faux pas
"Baby I'm a Want You"!

(specially for Sue) the lyrics to American Pie in SD's smallest allowable font size (what no 4pt.!?in Greek (ehh, I got the Olympic bug, not). At the very bottom is a link to the site "Understanding the lyrics of American Pie".

A long, long time ago,
I can still remember
How that music used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance,
I could make those people dance
And maybe they'd be
happy for a while

But February made me shiver,
With every paper I'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep,
I couldn't take one more step

I can't remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died


*Chorus*

So bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
Singing this will be the day that
I die,
This will be the day that I die

Did you write the book of love
And do you have faith in God above,
If the Bible tells you so?
Now, do you believe in rock and roll
Can music save your mortal soul
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

Well, I know that you're in love with him
'Cause I saw you dancing in the gym
You both kicked off your shoes,
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues!

I was a lonely teenage broncin' buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck
But I knew that I was out of luck
The day the music died

I started singing

*Chorus*

Now for ten years we've been on our own,
And moss grows fat on a Rolling Stone
But that's not how it used to be
When The Jester sang for The King and Queen
In a coat he borrowed from James Dean
In a voice that came from you and me

And while The King was looking down,
The Jester stole his thorny crown
The courtroom was adjourned,
No verdict was returned

And while Lennon read a book on Marx,
The quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died

We were singing

*Chorus*

Helter Skelter in a summer swelter
The Byrds flew off with a fall out shelter
Eight miles high and falling fast
It landed foul on the grass
The players tried for a forward pass
With The Jester on the sidelines in a cast

Now, the halftime air was sweet perfume
While The Sargeants played a marching tune
We all got up to dance,
Oh, but we never got the chance
'Cause the players tried to take the field
The marching band refused to yield!
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?

We started singing

*Chorus*

Oh, and there we were all in one place
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again
So come on Jack be nimble,
Jack be quick
Jack Flash sat on a candle stick
Because fire is the devil's only friend

Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in Hell
Could break that Satan's spell

And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died

He was singing

*Chorus*

I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news...
But she just smiled and turned away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I'd heard the music years before
But the man there said the music wouldn't play

And in the streets the children screamed
The lovers cried and the poets dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The church bells all were broken

And the three men I admire most
The Father, Son and the Holy Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died

And they were singing

Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
Singin' this will be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die

They were singin'

Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
Singing this will be the day that I die...


bla bla bla bla
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Its Greek to me
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Post Number: 1737
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Davie: Picture it. It's 1963 & The Crystals & Phil were hot. Phil wants the Philles label for himself. He owes one last single before their affiliation ends. Phil then releases "DO The Screw", a song that had absolutely no chance of airplay. So, after releasing a song that was DOA (thus insuring that his partner would receive NO money), Phil literally gave his partner "The Screw" & merrily took over the company.

If you'd like, I can let you hear it. Actually, it's not a totally horrible song. It's like a 50s blues rocker with a triplet feel. Imagine a light version of Wilbert Harrisons' Kansas City.

By the way Davie, how do you feel; about LA LA Means I Love You :-)
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Lady Mystique (ladymystique)
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born...born...born to be alive! LOL
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Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
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Post Number: 131
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Lady Mystique - Ghod, I'd managed to forget ALL
about that one - now I can't get it out of my head :-)

Juice, yeah I know the story behind it - I'm just wondering if it's actually worth the bother of trying to hear it. It's probably like those reviews of grade-z movies that are more enjoyable to read about than watch.

As for "La La Means I Love You" - I've been a Delfonics fan since '68 so I couldn't throw that out. My rule of thumb is two, maybe three La Las's
I can deal with - any more and the spam guard
comes up :-)
Damn, just realised they sing "La La La, La La La, You Know That I Love You " - OK, let's say that's the exception that proves the rule (until I remember something else). Time I went to bed
if I can manage to get that damn "Born To Be Alive" out of my brain :-)

I'll tune in tomorrow to see what fresh horrors you lot have remembered.
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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Post Number: 346
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Chi Chi Chi! The Isley Brothers' brilliant reworking of 'Summer Breeze'? McFadden & Whitehead's 'Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now'? JAMES BROWN'S 'KING HEROIN'? Now this thread is getting out of hand! I can see where you're coming from a little with 'Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now'. We all can get sick of great songs after you've heard them a thousand times and that tune has been played way too much over the years. But I don't get the dislike for 'Summer Breeze' and James Brown's 'King Heroin'! How can you not love The Godfather's rapping, those sly horns and the amazing organ licks on 'King Heroin'? Come on Chi! Us Chicago natives have to stick together here! :-)

Soulseeker, that circus music on 'Tears Of A Clown' drive me crazy as well. Pure watered-down nonsense. I'm not sure how Smokey & the Miracles got through it with a straight face?

Please don't even get me started on 'American Pie'! Probably my least favorite recording of all-time! ERGGGGH!

Here's a few more records that I wouldn't mind never hearing again:

'Stand By Me' - Ben E. King - (I'm already not a fan of early 60's, overproduced Pop-Soul records and this one has been played so many times that it no longer has any meaning. It's just noise.)

'Spanish Harlem' - Ben E. King, Aretha Franklin (I've never liked this and I don't get what all the fuss is about. Un-listenable to me.)

'Fly Me To The Moon' - ANYBODY (Sentimental Pop nonsense! Bobby Womack wasn't even able to do anything with it!)

'My Funny Valentine' - ANYBODY (I've heard this song done in every musical style from 1940's Big-Band to small-combo Jazz to 60's Pop to 90's R&B and I've hated it each time. With all of the excellent standards from the 40's and 50's that could've been remade why is this nonsense so loved?)

I don't expect anyone else to agree with me since we all have our own tastes but I can't hold this in any longer! LOL. :-)
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Makin it . ouch
Yellow bird
Guantanamera
Planet Rock
Because I love you.Lenny Williams when he starts thos oh oh oh oh things ouch
Its raing men
So little men so little time
Volare
Mack the knife
New York New York
My way
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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Post Number: 348
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YES ELI! How did I forget about 'It's Raining Men'! ERGGGGH! I hate that damn song! What's sad about it is that Martha and Izora were great singers and the 'It's Raining Men' trash overshadowed some of the great material that they recorded as Two Tons O' Fun. If it wasn't for 'It's Raining Men' maybe they could've been taken seriously as artists? Sad.

And let's not forget about Glo Gaynor's 'I Will Survive'! 'Nuff Said!
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douglasm (douglasm)
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SteveS....
....sorry, I was trying to stay out of it too, but the whole thing just got under my skin like a Freddie Cannon song.

The worse tragity was NOT the fact that Harry Chapin wailed the end of "Taxi" so badly, it was that he had the gall (and we the public had the gall to purchase) a sequel to that song.

doug
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Chi Drummer (chidrummer)
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Now see, I like Stand by Me (especally Ben's & John Lennon's) & I like both versions of Spanish Harlem. On the other hand, I'm definitely with you on American Pie (the playing of this song can cause me to become extremely violent!).

For me, The Isley Bros. version of Summer Breeze seems unfocused. It wants to be funky, but it doesn't sound right funky. For me, the Seals & Crofts original is better. As for King Heroin, it's just too damn depressing. Who doesn't get Heroin,Bad?
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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I read one review of "Do the Screw" somewhere which described the song's backing vocals as 'sounding like the label's accountants'!

Best,

Mark
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Post Number: 1750
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I submit I Want My Baby Back by Jimmy Cross. Has anyone ever heard this song? For those of you who haven't, this guy is telling a story about his girlfriend dying in a car crash while on her way home following a Beatles concert. It ends with this guy going to her grave, opening the coffin & getting inside of it. The record fades with him singing from the closed coffin & I quote: "I got my baby back".

This song was morbid when morbidity simply wasn't the norm. Not to mention that he sang like Mr. Haney from Petticoat Junction.
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Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
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Oh goody - songs about necrophilia :-)

Ever heard "Gravedigger" by the New York Rock
Ensemble ? Really good track until you listen closely to the lyrics and then it's "Whaaaaaaat ?!"

The group fascinate me - they were all students at the Juilliard College of Music in NY and did a couple of classical music influenced albums for Atco then went a bit more mainstream on Columbia.
If you've ever seen the film "Zachariah" they're the band playing ,in the nude, in the saloon :-)

If you listen to Lenny Kravitz he did a version of
one of their songs "Fields of Joy" - I was floored when I heard it - thought I was the only
person who listened to them.

I trust you all appreciate this priceless trivia.

Jimmy Cross - that used to get played on the BBC
by DJ Kenny Everett in his "Worst Records Ever MAde" spot - which prompted a mid-seventies UK
issue of "I Want My Baby Back" - I bought it but
have no idea what happened to my copy. Probably
a blessing in disguise. Amazingly he made other records but none of them in the same class, whatever class that is, as "IWMBB".

Davie
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Post Number: 1761
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Davie,

I never heard Gravedigger. I assume that it's about a gravedigger. What was the basic plot??

I hereby submit another for the archives. I submit Boogie Motion by Beautiful Bend. I don't think that it was possible for there to be a record to be this insipid. The cloying beat, those chirpy singers & those stupid lyrics used to make me go nuts. This song was a staple of Denny Terrios' Dance Fever show, where he played it incessantly, as though it was SGT Pepper. This piece of dreck & others like it are what gave Disco a bad name. His show & that music took Disco away from its Soulful origins & led it directly into the crapper.

How about The Wilton Street Band & their inspired little ditty called Disco Lucy???? 'Nuff said!!!

I'll be back folks, I've got hundreds of 'em.
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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Chi Drummer, I've just got finished listening to James Brown's King Heroin' and 'Down And Out In New York City' and I loved every second of it! :-)

:-( Here's a few more numbers that can make me vomit violently if I'm forced to listen to them:

'Turn The Beat Around' - Vicki Sue Robinson (This trash makes me sooooooooo angry!)

'Navy Blue' - Diane Renay (What can I saw about this sickening slice of 60's Pop Music fluff? Anyone that's been forced to sit through this nonsense knows how painful it is.)

'Leader Of The Pack' - Shangri-Las (Over the top, melodramatic, girl group trash! And the lead singer has the most annoying and whiney voice I've ever heard in my life!)

'Unchained Melody' - ANYBODY (Folks, words can not describe how much I've always hated this damn song! If I could only make each and every one of you feel the disgust that I do every time I'm forced to hear it! One of the most boring and saccharine tunes of all-time along with 'Feelings', 'Time In A Bottle', 'The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face' and 'The Way We Were'! All I can say is ERGGGGH!)

(Message edited by Rodmann on August 09, 2004)
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Manny (manny)
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Hello Submarine again, SDF family!

Talkin�about some music we have heard in our childhood and much after we're "ashamed" for admit it (smile!).
In my case, my first vynil was a present from my sister: "Sugar Baby Love" by UK pop act The Rubettes (eeeeeeeeeeerrrghhh).
Another present by my sister was "Los Reyes Magos en Galilea" by Midle Of The Road (a scandinavian group, wich i likes the sexy voice, appart frm other atributes by the female singer).
Also I played many times in the portable monoaural turntable of my sister many of his singles: "Luisito" and "Lady Ross" by Mungo Jerry, "Words" by F.R. David, "Amarillo", by Tony Christie... And, of course, much more "decent" music some soulful flavoured (Pop Tops, Bravos, Edwin Hawkins Singers, spanish black singer Basilio, Henry Stefan, Luc Barretto, Canarios, Rel�mpagos,...).

About "brain-less" or simply "musically-less" disco music the list can be long.
I hate much more the ones by artists previously i likes and i'm feel deceptioned by some of their disco sides as The Four Tops "Disco Daddy" or Archie Bell's "Tighten Up At Disco" or Isaac Haye's "Let's Go" or "Groove Athon".

Of course, European Scene is the guilty of the authentic degeneration, producing some things as Boney M or italian cover of "Ain't No Stoppin Us Now" as "Qu� Idea", Mallorca island's act Locom�a and makes the blue-print for the posterior "machine-sound" and "bakalao". I don't wanna talks more about this because i comes to dinner and some things are not salutable to talksabout in these momments (eeeerrrggghhhhh!!!!!!!)
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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Manny, I totally agree with you about some of the Soul Great's horrible disco sides. I've never been unfourtunate enough to hear The Four Tops' 'Disco Daddy' or Archie Bell's 'Tighten Up At The Disco' (is that an actual song?) but I do dislike the Isaac Hayes disco tunes you listed. His 'Chocolate Chip', 'Don't Let Go' and 'Disco Connection' are also pretty bad. Hayes and disco just didn't mix IMO. :-(
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Believe it or not,
I almost got to produce a "disco" album on the Tijuana brass when I was doing things with A&M.
needless to say, I didnt do it.
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Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
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Quite right too, Bobby. Imagine insulting you my not offering you the Baja Marimba Band. LOL
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1wicked (1wicked)
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Dude...lay off Julius Wechter...he's da man !! (LOL)
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Vince Montana he's not!

Come to think of it, Vince would have been a great producer for the TJB!

Dang, I should have mentioned it to Herb!
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Charise (mistrivia1)
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Post Number: 336
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I'm sorry but Don't Let Go was the BOMB!!:-):-), I enjoyed that!
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Charise (mistrivia1)
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Rodmann, You are TRIPPIN', LOL!! Some of these songs do not belong HERE!!!!!!:-):-):-):-):-)
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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Bobby, for some reason a Tijuana Brass disco album doesn't sound like it would've been a bad idea to me! LOL. I can definitely hear Herb and the gang blowing their brains out over some Funk-Disco tracks. If Henry Mancini could record a disco album than Herb & The Tijuana Brass should've been able to record one! LOL.

:-) What's up Charise! You know, I felt bad for listing Isaac Hayes' 'Don't Let Go' on this thread as soon as I wrote it! It's not one of my favorite tunes by him but it's not one of the worst either and it's definitely not bad enough to list in this topic! I take that one back but I stick by all of the other poor excuses for songs that I've named. Haha. I seriously can not sit through any of them and if I'm forced to I'm not a happy camper to say the least!

Charise, was there any other song in particular that you disagree with besides 'Don't Let Go'?
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Manny (manny)
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Hello Submarine again, soulful friends!

Hi Rodmann,
I'm glad with the coincidence in taste - hate about Isaac Hayes. But I should to say that his live version of "Chocolate Chip" with Dionne Warwick in "A Man And A Woman" LP is very soulful. The one by Archie Bell I refered is a sort of disco remake of their 60's hit "Tighten Up". I got in a PIR compilation and believe can belong to the "Where You Go When The Party's Over" album.

Hi, Charise,
I'm sorry for my comments. I'm a great Isaac Hayes fan. He is mellow in all their songs (ballads, mid and up-tempos or "disco" numbers). Take for example "Out Of The Ghetto", also disco-flavoured and compared to "Groove Athon". IMHO, it's possible make soulful disco music and "aton" disco music.

Hey, mr. "Electronic",
You make me remember in more discography that some ex-girlfriends "requised" me, as the Herb Alpert & Hugh Masekela casstttes and Herb's "Fandango"!
I can imagine one Alpert-Tijuana Brass -Salsoul-Montana mix! (as "Ritzy Mambo-Ranchera2! (smile!).
I read one time (not sure) that A&M signifies Alpert & Masekela, this is true?

Peace!
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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Hey Manny. I've got that Isaac Hayes & Dionne Warwick LP as well but I can't remember the live version of 'Chocolate Chip' that's on it. I've probably just skipped over it all this time because I don't care for that song. Those live versions of 'Body Language' and 'Come Live With Me' are horrible compared to the studio versions IMO.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Manny,

A&M stood for Alpert and Moss
Jerry Moss was his long time partner and co founder of the label.
Almo music stood for Alpert/Moss
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Vonnie (vonnie)
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"Downtown" - Petula Clark
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Big Butters!!
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Charise (mistrivia1)
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Rodmann, LOL I would make sure that I did not play any of those songs around you, I would not want to be responsible for making you violently ill!!! Okay, the other songs that should not be there(JMO)LOL Turn The Beat Around, Time In A Bottle and First Time Ever I Saw Your Face!!
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Vonnie (vonnie)
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Debbie Boone(You Did Not Light Up My Life)!
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Gil (gil)
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"You Light Up My Life" still gets me nauseous after all this time.

"Feelings" is the same way. I think the best version of that song was by Walter Jackson (oooh, need to add that to the other thread!). Even his version leaves me queasy!
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Al of the white cover versions of r&b songs of the fifties, such as Pat Boone singing Aint that a shame.
It was blatantly blasphmemous and a travesty!!
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Moe (moe)
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OK Everyone,
Here's another one:
You're Having My Baby by Paul Anka
Ralph, go & get me some Immodium & Pepto- I've got the ERGGHS from both ends!!
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Ralph Terrana (ralph)
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Well this isn't gong to make it any easier honey...How about Pat Boone singing Tutti Frutti???? Oh Oh....Pass the Pepto...
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Moe (moe)
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Well, at least we'll share the Pepto
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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HEYYYYY MOE!!!! :-) :-) :-) :-)

WHATZUP!!!!!

Bobby: HEH HEH HEH....you said Pat Boone!!! Was there ever a worse Father/Daughter ERRGGH combo than them??? They're like The Staple Singers of ERRRGGGHDOM!

SUBMITTED FOR Y'ALLS APPROVAL:

Pat Boone - Good Rockin' Tonight. That record was more like "Good Sleepin' Tonight", cause that's what he should have been doing instead of recording that song....SLEEPING!!!

Then there was....

Pat Boone singing "Tutti Fruity"....oh rooty!!! I can still see Pat singing his widdle heart out. Snapping his fingers all off beat & jerking his arm down so hard, that I thought that it might break off at any moment. If you've never seen his "performance" on any of the old TV shows, well, by God, you don't know Soul. Those clips are so funny. His total lack of soul & rhythm is downright hilarious. His stealing the glory from & sales from the originators of the songs is not. The Pat Boone syndrome angers me & I wonder if he ever sent a thank you, or picked up a tab for Richard, Wynonie, Ivory Joe, The Flamingos, The Orioles or Fats. Now that I think about it, he was like the original music leech. Many of his charted songs, were R&B songs that he re-recorded. He was an equal opportunist, he did likewise with Pop songs.

"Let's show them who Pat Boone is guys. Yeah, Pat's got Sooooul....SHA NA NA OOOOOOOOHHHH".

(Message edited by juicefree20 on August 12, 2004)
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Ralph Terrana (ralph)
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Among other things....
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Moe (moe)
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LMAO Juice!!!!!
Wasn't there a time when he was supposed to be Punk??
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Moe,

Yes he was quite the chameleon, old Pat was. Not only was he the original Seoul Man, a Pop crooner & a Heavy Metal Singer.

Can't you just see Pat & his "home pals, kicking it alive, round 'bout the 902".

Here's a link to Heavy Metal Pat:http://images.google.com/imgre s?imgurl=http://www.skypoint.c om/members/schutz19/boone1.jpg &imgrefurl=http://www.skypoint .com/members/schutz19/patboone .htm&h=206&w=62&sz=4&tbnid=KoD Q3lDoHCEJ:&tbnh=99&tbnw=30&sta rt=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpat%2B boone%2Bheavy%2Bmetal%26hl%3De n%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3D G
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Folks I submit Telly Savalas' version of The Beatles classic "Something".

He oughta stop singing now. He really should stop & how!!!

What the hell were they thinking about???
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Rodmann (rodmann)
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:-) Hey Charise! Aww dang! You picked three of the tunes that I hate the most! LOL. 'The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face'? 'Time In A Bottle'? 'Turn The Beat Around'!? Erggggh. Vicki Sue's 'Turn The Beat Around' set Latin music back 20 years! I'm sure that poor Tito Puente turns in his grave every time he thinks about that song. LMAO.
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Lady Mystique (ladymystique)
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NIGHTS ON DISCO MOUNTAIN I think by David Shire on the Saturday Night Fever SNDTRK...everytime I hear the beginning of it I shut it off! :-)
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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Post Number: 149
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Two versions of "Like a Rolling Stone", one by the Young Rascals (easily the worst track they ever did) and the other by the Four Seasons (Frankie doesn't even try to sing the last verse--he RECITES it instead).

The Four Seasons' version is from their LP "...Sing Bacharach, David and Dylan". I never listened to the Bacharach/David side, but the Dylan side is laughably bad (and who the hell told them to cut a version of "Queen Jane Approximately?").

To be fair, Dylan's had his own share of ERRGH moments. His two worst LPs, "Self-Portrait" (1971) and "Dylan" (1975), largely consist of bad cover versions of classics like "All I Have to Do is Dream", "The Boxer", "I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know" and "(Now and Then) There's a Fool Such As I".

Bob is the best at interpreting his own material, but he never was great at doing other people's songs (the same can be said for Jimmy Buffett as well).

Best,

Mark

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