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  GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl) 5-Doyen Username: gogogirl Post Number: 233 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 69.1.9.65 |
Greetings All, Does anyone feel that Diana Ross is a Classical Artist? I think the author of the below piece thinks that she indeed was. Hence his question is thread title. Which artist(s) best represents that the term - 'Classical' - be attributed to them? This article/essay is long. And of course - it is one's person's take on who Diana Ross is/was. http://www.horschamp.qc.ca/new _offscreen/dianaross.html | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1005 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.162.125.188 |
Diana Ross is a pop artist. The right term for her music is "classic" pop or "classic" soul not classical which refers to a period in history somewhere in the 18th century. having said that, Ms Ross could be deemed as "Jurassic" | ||
mike s (mike_s) 4-Laureate Username: mike_s Post Number: 107 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.10 |
Mr Eli - I am shocked! | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 109 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.10 |
Dear me - I thought all the sacred cows were being slaughtered on the "worst Supremes singles" thread. Ho-ho ! I'm with Bobby on this one - frankly I don't know she gets away with it. She hasn't made a decent record for nearly a quarter of a century yet people still seem to be dazzled by her. Of course it doesn't translate to record / CD sales - I know people who've spent the equivalemt of $60 seeing her "live" but apart from an obligatory greatest hits CD don't buy her records. I'd say it's a case of the Emperor's clothes - but that may not be quite the allusion that best fits. If this causes apoplexy among those who insist on calling every female singer "diva" - er, tuff. As for Diana being a classical artist - my definition of that would be a composer whose works is appreciated well after their own lifetime. Does anybody seriously think people will be listening to, er "Muscles" in a century's time? I rather doubt it - and she didn't even write that stinker. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1008 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.53.10 |
Good one Davie..Lol mate!! | ||
einnod23 (einnod23) 2-Debutant Username: einnod23 Post Number: 30 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 208.27.111.121 |
"Muscles" was written by Mike, was it? | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1010 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.53.10 |
Unfortunately, yes. | ||
Gary (gary) 4-Laureate Username: gary Post Number: 101 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.73.238.5 |
Diana Ross? Classical? Don't make me laugh. | ||
SDF (handsome) 5-Doyen Username: handsome Post Number: 323 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
She'll go down in history because of the Supremes & Motown, but classical ain't got nothing to do with it, ha ha! Handsome | ||
Reese (reese) 4-Laureate Username: reese Post Number: 116 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.15.169.140 |
The article was indeed long. As much as I love Diana, I couldn't finish it. That said, while I don't think of Diana as a "classical" singer, she certainly has created a "classic" body of work. Over the years, they might not remember MUSCLES. But I'm sure songs like AIN'T NO MOUNTAIN HIGH ENOUGH will live on. | ||
Destruction (destruction) 5-Doyen Username: destruction Post Number: 226 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.173.224.2 |
Reese, I gave it the "Washington Read". Towards the end of the article the author explains his use of the term classical, and does it in a way that would have made Mr. Fantastic (for u Galactus) proud...linking the term "classical" to Black people to Egypt to trials and tribulations...to Ella...to Ethel Waters...ending with the question, " Is Ross also an artist whose work might be considered classical?" | ||
Dinelle (dinelle_watson) 5-Doyen Username: dinelle_watson Post Number: 184 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 65.6.76.47 |
I just read what you posted yesterday, Bobby. I for one, am shocked. | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 509 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.167.86 |
Hi Dinelle, I wouldn't consider Diane or Diana classical. She is consider her pop. Hey Eli, that's funny cause I'm laughing LOL!! | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 475 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.139 |
Sorry as much as I love AInt No Mt--I doubt Diana will be remembered much for her music--the Supremes yes and for their historical importance- Diana is a phenomenal, charismatic entertainere and I'll be dammed if I can figure out why. Her voice is weak but somehow exciting--somehow I think she channels all her humanity into some of her singing and connects with people that way as opposed to one to one but who really knows. Aretha, Dionne(maybe), Esther, Patti(probably),Billie...will be remembered | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 41 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 64.236.243.31 |
I just love Diana Ross she's a legend | ||
GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl) 5-Doyen Username: gogogirl Post Number: 237 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 69.1.9.65 |
Hey All, I won�t go so far as to call Diana Ross Classical Artist in the sense that most of us relate the word "Classical" to mean - but - In my own mind and heart - I would call her a very classical artist. What is the criteria for one to be considered a Classical Artist? Does one have to make Classical Music as we know it? Is that music the kind that's played at Opera's. The Supremes & Berry Gordy launched Diana's career, and that fact - helped to make her a star. I would definitely call her a Star. A Star that has her very own space in the sky. She struggled for a couple of years after the Supremes broke up, but from then to now and IMO - she solidified her place in musical and entertainment history by her entire and contributing body of work. The movie - �Lady Sings The Blues� was a hot hit - and one of the best films every made IMO. The below from the author of the piece on link: �Ross was named Female Entertainer of the Century by Billboard magazine, received a special Tony for her stage show �An Evening with Diana Ross,� received numerous American Music Awards, and was nominated more than ten times for a Grammy Award and given the Heroes Award by the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences. She has won awards from the NAACP, and a Soul Train Heritage Award and a Black Entertainment Television Walk of Fame Award. In France, Diana Ross was made a Commander in the Order of Arts and Letters. She received recognition from the United Nations (a Global Youth Forum Award). She was named by Guinness the best selling female singer in history.� Was Diana the best selling female singer in history? Was she the Female Entertainer of the Century? From what the author wrote above - leads me to believe that some folks do find Ms. Ross to be �Very Special.� She was not perfect. And she was far from shabby. Love or hate her and her voice - or leave it all - there are millions of folks all around the world that love her, her voice, and love what she gave us. I love her voice. I love the way she entertains. Some of her songs - could be considered standards - and upon hearing them - some of us - still find them beautiful, timeless and outstanding. Some of us. To me - she could be considered a Classical Artist - because her body of work will stand the test of time. Muscles is not a song that defines Diana Ross. Take that tune and throw it out the window - and she will still leave a legacy of wonderful - thoughtful - and beautiful songs behind. She is leaving a wonderful treasure for her children and grandchildren. But it is just not the songs that made Diana. It was something much-much more. She had drive - determination - dedication - purpose - love - devotion - and a keen sense of self and giving of self; which as always been evident because of her work ethics and her desire to please her fans and her supporters. She gave her all - and IMO - there is no better designer of beautiful gowns than she. Beyonce's mother is coming close. Diana is a master of design. Again - these are just my opinions - and no one has to agree with me. I think Diana Ross has just a good a chance of being considered a Classical Artist as any others of the last 50 years. Who makes the list? If we go by what being a Classical Artist meant based on certain songs/tunes that were made back in the day - then when did the art form where one could accumulate the credentials to be considered a Classical Artist go away? Who was the last Classical Artist anointed so? Name some females that are considered more of a Classical Artist than Diana Ross could ever hope to be. "Missing You" - What a classic! | ||
GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl) 5-Doyen Username: gogogirl Post Number: 238 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 69.1.9.65 |
All, http://www.diana-web.com/ "My Mistake - Was To Love You Boy - Love You Girl" | ||
Vickie (vickie) 3-Pundit Username: vickie Post Number: 42 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 64.236.243.31 |
I agree with you Go Get Gone Girl  | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 520 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.55.127 |
To her credit I'll have to give her propers for her performance in Central Park in the 80's. I was in awe that was her damn best performance I know of. Call her diva or whatever Ms. Ross was in rare form. | ||
GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl) 5-Doyen Username: gogogirl Post Number: 241 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 69.1.9.65 |
Happy Friday All, I couldn't resist posting the below link. Scroll down a little and check out Ms. Rhonda Ross. Wow! She looks absolutely stunning and beautiful too. Go Diana & Berry. She performed so good in the Tempts movie portraying Paul's wife - IMO. She and her huband are appearing in New York tonight and 8-13-04 - for you New Yorkers. Also scroll all the way down and there is a picture of Diana and family. On site there is an article about the project she is planning for all of them. http://community-2.webtv.net/r ossfan/DICKSDIANAROSS/ | ||
GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl) 5-Doyen Username: gogogirl Post Number: 242 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 69.1.9.65 |
All, I do declare! Check Rhonda out. Her tracks on left hand side. God speed to her. She sounds great. Talkin' 'bout blusey and jazzy. You go Rhonda & hubby. "The Drumbeat of Life." http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/rhond aross (Message edited by gogogirl on August 06, 2004) | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1084 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.35.84 |
She still needs to bag that dreadful weave and come into the 21st century. |
