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Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 138 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226
| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 4:30 am: �� | ��� |
Can anyone tell when this Westbound 45 was released? I think it was in 1969 - but which month? TIA |
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon
Post Number: 101 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.10
| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 10:41 am: �� | ��� |
Hi Graham - 1969 it is It hit the Billboard R&B chart on Oct. 11 but it entered the "Bubbling Under" charts a full month earlier (Sep 13) then hit the Hot 100 on Oct. 4th. Yet another case of the pop charts being quicker off the mark than the R&B ones. I'd go for late August - might be an idea to check when it hit WKNR's charts - if I remember rightly it was a massive hit locally. Davie |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 139 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226
| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 12:20 pm: �� | ��� |
Thanks Davie. Yes, I'm sure it would have been big in Detroit prior to making the national charts. I don't have any local radio ones for that month though, so I'm hoping someone here does. |
Steve K (ltlftc) 2-Debutant Username: ltlftc
Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.11.188.92
| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 3:11 pm: �� | ��� |
Graham I'll Bet You entered the WKNR charts July 31 '69 and the CKLW charts August 5th. Hope this helps |
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 967 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.42.56
| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 3:20 pm: �� | ��� |
Hey Ralph, Wasnt that song(and album) recorded at Tera Shirma? |
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo
Post Number: 145 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.33.204.224
| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 4:39 pm: �� | ��� |
Bobby: "I'll Bet You" & the remainder of tunes that made up the first Funkadelic album on Westbound Records was recorded at Terra Shirma Studios, this according to the liner notes from the LP (I own two copies of this disc!!). The album & single "I Bet You" were released in 1969. Kevin Goins - KevGo |
Ralph Terrana (ralph)
Moderator Username: ralph
Post Number: 455 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.63
| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 4:42 pm: �� | ��� |
Bobby, Russ happens to be here as I read this and he reminded that, yes it was recorded at Tera Shirma and Russ was the engineer. |
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 973 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.42.56
| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 5:31 pm: �� | ��� |
Hey Russ!!! You one baaaad dude, my man. Always loved your skills on the board. Hey Kev, Wassup in the land of "fromagio??!@#$%^&*() |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 140 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225
| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 9:23 pm: �� | ��� |
Thanks to everyone for their input - it's really appreciated. |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 141 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.229
| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 9:30 pm: �� | ��� |
BTW - I have a release date for Funkadelic's earlier Westbound 45 - Music For My Mother - of February 1969. |
Bob Babbitt (bob_babbitt) 1-Arriviste Username: bob_babbitt
Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.139
| Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 4:14 am: �� | ��� |
"I'll Bet You" Bass..Bob Babbitt Drums..Andrew Smith Guitar..Ray Monette Credits on Album were gave to the Funkadelic band?????? |
roger (roger) 4-Laureate Username: roger
Post Number: 152 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.35.87.17
| Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 5:17 am: �� | ��� |
Hello everyone. I don't know this FUNKADELIC track ... however .. Is this the same song as was recorded by BILLY BUTLER when he was at Dakar records in 1967 .. (I have it on a compilation C.D. "Class of Mayfield High" .. see link. ).. and later re-made by THE JACKSON FIVE for Motown in the early '70s. http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Cl ass%20of%20Mayfield%20High%3A% 20The%20Brunswick%2FDakar%20Re cordings:1921371958 The BILLY BUTLER/JACKSON FIVE song of this name lists GEORGE CLINTON as one of the song-writers, which is I think they could be the same. Roger |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 142 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.229
| Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 6:26 am: �� | ��� |
Hi Roger Yes, it's the same song, originally recorded by Theresa Lindsey for Golden World Records. Dennis Coffey is playing a wicked guitar on it! |
Keith Herschell (keith_herschell) 1-Arriviste Username: keith_herschell
Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 81.134.207.166
| Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 7:20 am: �� | ��� |
The Billy Butler version was massive on the UK Northern scene in the seventies. It was co-written by Sidney Barnes, and he sings it when he comes to the UK. Keith Herschell - London |
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon
Post Number: 102 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.10
| Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 8:08 am: �� | ��� |
Don't think I've ever heard how Billy Butler came to record the song - it's the only time I can think of where he recorded a song that wasn't self-penned or from another Chicago writer. How did he get to hear it ? |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 143 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.229
| Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 9:34 am: �� | ��� |
Mr Babbit, were you also on Theresa's original version? BTW - She co-wrote it. |
Phil (phil) 4-Laureate Username: phil
Post Number: 118 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 213.36.156.45
| Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 10:56 am: �� | ��� |
Graham, if you want it, it's on ebay, item 4027221107. Hurry up, it'll end soon ! |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 144 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226
| Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 11:14 am: �� | ��� |
Thanks Phil, but this one looks a bit beat. And I think it's the second pressing - the typeface was different on the first one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA PI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&i tem=4027221107&rd=1 |
count (the_count) 3-Pundit Username: the_count
Post Number: 52 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.14.197.239
| Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 12:26 pm: �� | ��� |
I have 14 inchs of "I'LL BET YOU" first 7even inch on Golden World is, "I'LL BET YOU"/ "GRATIFY & SATISFY" second 7even on Golden World is, "I'LL BET YOU"(alt. version)/ "OPEN YOUR EYES" "COUNT" |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 145 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225
| Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 3:15 pm: �� | ��� |
There was a hidden agenda to my original question - which perhaps Babbitt or Russ might be able to help me with... At the time of Funkadelic's sessions, Mike Hanks was also using Tera Shirma; he recorded some songs on Emanuel Laskey. One of them was released directly after "I'll Bet You" - Westbound #151 titled "Never My Love" - and I wonder if anyone remembers Mike in the studio at that time? Did you play on any sessions for Mike, Babbitt? |
willy (willy) 1-Arriviste Username: willy
Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 209.114.224.106
| Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 3:26 pm: �� | ��� |
But who played on the Magic Tones version of "I Bet You"? |
Bob Babbitt (bob_babbitt) 1-Arriviste Username: bob_babbitt
Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.200
| Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 1:57 am: �� | ��� |
Graham......I recorded for Mike Hanks many times.. The Emanuel Lasky record that I remembered playing on was "A Toast to You" that became a top 10 record R&B & POP.....It was recorded at Tera Shirma studios....Bob |
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k
Post Number: 402 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.228.222.67
| Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 4:41 am: �� | ��� |
Bob: What label and issue Nr. was "A Toast To You" by Emanuel Lasky on? I seem to remember it on Westbound-but not sure. I have a version of that song on M.S.K., but by a different artist (Louis Curry). |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 146 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.229
| Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 5:48 am: �� | ��� |
Hi Bob "A Toast To You" was - as Robb says - recorded by Louis Curry. Producers Fred Brown and Joe Hunter were probably the guys you dealt with on that one. Mike Hanks had a small studio at Lawton and McGraw where many of his D-Town label recordings were cut. The Emanual Laskey 45 I mentioned was done at Tera Shrima in 1969. He also recorded "More Love" and "Letter From Vietnam" there around the same time. |
Rich (richk) 2-Debutant Username: richk
Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 151.197.254.245
| Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 9:24 am: �� | ��� |
Bob Babbitt, uppermost respect for all of your musical contributions through the years. While there is no doubt that you and several other Funk Brothers played on the sessions for "I'll Bet You" and "Mommy What's a Funkadelic"; and it is also very true that you fellas were uncredited for your contribution to their first album, I would like to add Eddie Hazel's name to your list of those who played on "I'll Bet You". Again, not to dimish your uncredited work, but the core of the OG Funkadelic did play on the five other cuts from the album. I understand that Andrew played on "Mommy", but there's been some debate as to whether or not its Andrew or Tiki Fulwood on "I'll Bet You". However, I will certainly defer to your memory, since you were there. Graham, as far as the timing, its a little tricky because there were two releases of "I'll Bet You" in 1969. Westbound released I'll Bet You b/w Open Our Eyes in late-July, 1969 on their solid-light-blue label. Shorty after, the song was re-released as with "Qualify and Satisfy" on the flip-side on Westbound's "psychedelic" multi-colored label. My guess is that the second issue came to pass as the song began to break nationally in September, and "Open Our Eyes" was re-considered as an appropriate b-side for a commercial-hit. Peace |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 147 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226
| Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 10:20 am: �� | ��� |
Thanks Rich. What's the label number for that second release, with "Qualify & Satisfy" on the flip? As I intimated earlier, I've seen two different blue Westbound label designs for release #150. BTW - Emanuel Laskey's 45 - Westbound #151 - is also on that psycadelic design. |
RAY MONETTE (ray_monette) 3-Pundit Username: ray_monette
Post Number: 43 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.145.226.28
| Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 10:57 am: �� | ��� |
HERE'S ANOTHER MEMORY TO THROW INTO THE MIX. ANDREW SMITH DID PLAY ON "I'LL BET YOU",AND SO DID EDDIE HAZEL,AND EARL VANDYKE. EDDIE WAS NOT ON THE TRACKING SESSION.HE OVERDUBBED AT A LATER DATE. ALSO, ON "I GOT A THANG",TIKI FULWOOD,BILLY NELSON,BERNIE WORRELL,GEORGE CLINTON,AND MYSELF WERE THE ONLY PEOPLE AT THE TRACKING SESSION. EDDIE DIDN'T PLAY ON THAT RECORD AT ALL.HE WAS IN JAIL. RAY |
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon
Post Number: 111 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.10
| Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 11:19 am: �� | ��� |
Hi Ray, how are you ? I see we've already had Bob on the forum today - it's good to see that when the Funks aren't playing they're not out chasing loose women and drugs but spend their time revealing the secrets of decades old records. It's much appreciated. :-) Davie |
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 1015 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.53.10
| Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 11:27 am: �� | ��� |
Here's a quick anecdote which i posted before, but due to the nature of this thread, I'll mention it again. Back in February of'68, while playing at the 20 Grand with the Vibrations, there were several history making events about to occur. Tiki Fullwood, from Philly was our drummer at the time. One day at rehearsal, Eddie Hazel, whom I met a year before with the Parliaments, stopped by and casually mentioned " hey Eli, man George is gettin' ready to do some other s**t!! He's talkin' about takin' funk and pasychedelic music and puttin' it together and callin' it Funkedelic'!! Man you should hear some of the s*t he got goin' on!" Shortly after that gig Tiki left and went with Funkedelic. |
RAY MONETTE (ray_monette) 3-Pundit Username: ray_monette
Post Number: 44 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.145.226.29
| Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 11:49 am: �� | ��� |
AH YES DAVIE.THOSE "WERE" THE DAYS! I'VE BEEN HAVING A GREAT TIME WITH THE FUNKS. WE,VE REALLY BEEN GOING AT IT LATELY.THIS IS THE FIRST BREAK IN A WHILE,AND IT'S ALWAYS COOL TO LOOK IN HERE AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. RAY |
Steve K (ltlftc) 2-Debutant Username: ltlftc
Post Number: 14 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.11.188.92
| Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 3:46 pm: �� | ��� |
I had "I'll Bet You" with a RED Westbound label. It had "Qualify & Satisfy" on the B-side; I always assumed Westbound replaced the orginal B-side with "Q&S" as they didn't own the publishing on "Open Our Eyes" |
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k
Post Number: 408 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.130.21
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 5:14 am: �� | ��� |
I have the Emanuel Lasky 151 on the soldi blue label design. Did he have another release on Westbound with "A Toast To You" on it? Or was that recording just not released on Westbound? I am also very curious why Billy Butler picked "I'll Bet You" as the only or one of only one or two departures from "Chicago Sound" -written songs. Of all the great Detroit songs, I'm surprised he picked that one. |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 148 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.229
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 5:25 am: �� | ��� |
Robb These are the only two Westbound 45s by Emanuel Laskey - that I know of: # 143 More Love / A Letter From Vietnam # 151 Never My Love / A Letter From Vietnam Emanuel told me he cut about 6 other songs for Mike Hanks at the same time as "Never My Love." When I speak to him again I'll ask him if he did a version of Louis Curry's hit. |
Rich (richk) 2-Debutant Username: richk
Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.6.6
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 9:54 am: �� | ��� |
Steve, is the "red" label a promo? Nice theory on the b-side switch. |
Steve K (ltlftc) 2-Debutant Username: ltlftc
Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.11.188.92
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 11:18 am: �� | ��� |
Rich - I didnt think anything of the Red label at the time- It was just the version my mom and pop record store had, but later I wondered what the deal was as I've never seen a red Westbound label again. One of the serious collectors at 'the other' site (Panisia, I think) said that the Red label was just used temporarily between the blue and the swirly labels. I sure wouldnt mind having someone else confirm that; it didnt say 'promo' or anything like that. The sad thing is that I know where that record and dozens of others of mine from that era are, but an 'ethical quandry' for lack of a better phrase prevents me from asking for them back. Maybe someday... |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 150 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 11:39 am: �� | ��� |
I have one red Westbound label 45: Detroit Emeralds - If I Lose Your Love - Westbound # 156. It was pressed at ARP and also has "GM" scratched in the vinyl. |
Chi Drummer (chidrummer) 3-Pundit Username: chidrummer
Post Number: 52 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 24.14.41.10
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 11:55 am: �� | ��� |
Does anyone know who played on the Jackson 5's version of the song? |
Sue (sue) 4-Laureate Username: sue
Post Number: 115 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 12:48 pm: �� | ��� |
At that time, "I'll Bet You" was about the wildest song I remember hearing on Detroit top 40 radio -- WKNR played the heck out of it. It was so cool/strange to hear that distorted guitar coming out of the radio. I have to dig up my 45. |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 513 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.59.24
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 1:20 pm: �� | ��� |
Chi-Drummer, I can't tell you exactly who played on the record. It wasn't The Jakson clan, Motown used studio musicians. I think if gave the opportunity The J-5, probally could have recorded their own tracks. The fellas could play those equally well in concerts. "I Bet You" was a underated song and could stand up with other songs they recorded. I may be wrong, but I don't think so. Cause every song they put on an album was a hit. That's why I find fasinating that a person could pick (it seems not really) the oddest song of the bunch, a song you'd never thought about and it could be resonable. When I was a fan of the Funkadelics, the month I recall the disc being release was sometime during April-May. I heard a copy of "I Bet Ya" before it was even released, I heard it in 68, though it's releasement was 69. I've talked to a source and a few store owners when this suject came up before on a few SD threads. And they told me that "I Bet Cha" from the Funkadelic's 'Music For My Mother'lp was released at least twice, in 69 and again in 70. I know Mr. C and the fellas had their own cult following but can one amagine in 70 fan lover had in his collection lp's of Music For My Mother, Osimum & Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow..."Totally awsome!". Hi Sue, I'am glad to see your name again. |
roger (roger) 4-Laureate Username: roger
Post Number: 160 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.35.87.17
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 1:44 pm: �� | ��� |
Hello Again Everyone. It seems that the JACKSON FIVE version of "I'll Bet You" was originally on their "A.B.C" L.P. Early JACKSON FIVE material is a bit "hit and Miss" with me and I have never owned a copy of their "A.B.C." L.P. However, I do have it on a compilation C.D. called "Really Heavy Soul", that came out a couple of years back. ( see link ). http://www.unionsquaremusic.co .uk/title.php?ALBUM_ID=178&LAB EL_ID=4 Having read the booklet notes of "Really Heavy Soul" ( at last!! ) it mentions that the song was done by FUNKADELIC, so my question a couple of days back ( about whether they were the same song ) seems a bit silly now!! The booklet notes, which are re-produced in the link I have postted, mention that the JACKSON FIVE version was used in a T.V. cereal commercial ( presumably only in The States ). Does anyone recall this? Anyway, I'm finding this thread amazing, and very educational. It was only a couple of weeks back that I realized that the BILLY BUTLER and JACKSON FIVE recordings were actually the same song, as they are so different in style!! So no sooner have I thought that I have tracked down the "original" version of a song than I find out that there is an even earlier version .. ( TERESA LINDSEY ). I like both versions of the song that I know .. now all I need to do is hear the FUNKADELIC and TERESA LINDSEY versions. Roger |
StingBeeLee (stingbeelee) 1-Arriviste Username: stingbeelee
Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 155.139.50.14
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 2:03 pm: �� | ��� |
Sue; I agree with you 100!!! I'll bet you was one of the wildest records I ever heard, and I could not understand exactly what they were saying, and I thought they were betting money on the song!!! It was played by CKLW, Keener, WJLB and WCHB, so you could hardly miss it. |
Sue (sue) 4-Laureate Username: sue
Post Number: 117 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 2:08 pm: �� | ��� |
Stingbeelee, That's right, it was hard to decipher what they were singing, which made it all the better. The foreboding rhythm, the murky (on purpose) sound ...it was a winner in my house. And yeah, it was all over all the stations. All in all, when I read the WKNR playlists on keener13.com, it amazes me how progressive the playlists were in '69. There was some crazy/wild stuff on the radio then (sigh). Hi Don! |
Chi Drummer (chidrummer) 3-Pundit Username: chidrummer
Post Number: 54 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 24.14.41.10
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 2:28 pm: �� | ��� |
Roger you definitely need to hear the Funkadelic version of the song. It's great. I already assume that the J5 version was cut in LA, but NOT with the Wrecking Crew. I was hoping someone here on SDF would have been in a position to know for sure who played on that session. |
Steve K (ltlftc) 2-Debutant Username: ltlftc
Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.11.188.92
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 2:44 pm: �� | ��� |
Graham; I see that the Detroit Emeralds "If I Lose Your Love" entered the WKNR charts November of '69, so that 'transitional' label theory makes sense. I wonder if there are other Red Label Westbounds... |
Sue (sue) 4-Laureate Username: sue
Post Number: 118 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 4:52 pm: �� | ��� |
Nobody should have tried to cover "I'll Bet You" after Funkadelic did it, they own it ... |
Vic Doucette (vic_doucette) 2-Debutant Username: vic_doucette
Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.115.63.131
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 4:54 pm: �� | ��� |
No offense, writer goddess (and you DO write better about Detroit music than anyone else I have ever read or edited), but I once thought that of a little tune called "What Becomes of the Brokenhearted." |
Bob F (notsocool66) 2-Debutant Username: notsocool66
Post Number: 26 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 4.239.48.68
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 5:18 pm: �� | ��� |
I am partial to the Joan Osborne version of "What Becomes of the Brokenhearted" on the "Standing in the Shadows ..." cut; however, the version of "You've Really Got a Hold on Me" by Meshell Ndegeocello can't be beat--purely subjective, but I've never heard so much emotion conveyed so simply. Of course having the Funk Brothers as backup can't hurt ;-) |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 515 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.173.248
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 5:24 pm: �� | ��� |
Roger, The J-5's version is the closest cover to Funkadelic. It's been alot of yrs since I heard Billy Butler version of "I Bet Ya", I maybe wrong? The J-5's version of "I Bet Ya" was on a cerealbox, I had a copies of a thin paper like plastic record. Thanx for acknowlegding Sue & bless you. |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 151 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 8:44 pm: �� | ��� |
Here's a bit of background info... Guitarist Joey "Kingfish" told me that he used to say "I'll Bet Ya" all the time when he was gigging for the Thelma Record reviews that Martha Jean "The Queen" promoted around 1964-5. She adopted it as a catch phrase on radio, and then Mr Ed Wingate asked some of his Golden World songwriters - including George Clinton - to pen a tune with the title. I still prefer Theresa's version on Golden World, released in mid-66. |
Sue (sue) 4-Laureate Username: sue
Post Number: 119 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.139
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 10:28 pm: �� | ��� |
OK Vic, you have several good points there (LOL); I do think Allan Slutsky coaxed the best performance of Joan's career, before or since, out of her on "What Becomes of the Broken-hearted" ... I never knew she had that in her. But forced to choose, I'd have to go with Jimmy Ruffin because 1. I heard it first and 2. That song is beautiful but has all the sadness in the world, in it, you want to just soak it all in... |
Ralph Terrana (ralph)
Moderator Username: ralph
Post Number: 464 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.63
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 10:35 pm: �� | ��� |
Sue, You are right on the money regarding Slutsky and J. Osborne. She made that song her own. |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 523 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.55.127
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 11:08 pm: �� | ��� |
I remember Ms. Lindsey's version of "I Bet You", I know it's been many moons ago and I might not remember to desribe it right. I seem to recall it sounding like a horror movie. Something like the back & side mean streets of old Detroit, where the street should be turned on. I think her version originally was first. Although her version maybe the closest to The Funkadelics, and The J-5 comes in close 2nd, with Billy Butler following? I seen concerts with Joan Osborne, Sophie B. Hawkins, Liz Phair and other up coming Female singer/songwriters around 93-4. I was surprised that Joan pulled it off of her rendition of Jimmy Ruffin's "What Becomes Of The Broken Hearted". I think Joan Osborne is subperb. |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 152 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 211.79.83.134
| Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 12:27 am: �� | ��� |
Funkadelic also covered Pat Lewis's Golden World 45 - "Can't Shake It Loose" - which was another of The Queen's catch phrases. And like "I'll Bet You, it was co-written by George Clinton. |
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k
Post Number: 411 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.148.174
| Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 3:17 am: �� | ��� |
Thanks Graham. I have both of the Emanuel Laskys on Westbound. So, that means "A Toast to You" was unreleased. Does anyone know if that has since been put on any Detroit compilation CD? I like Theresa Lindsey's "I'll Bet You" best. Nice to know it was "The Queen's" catch phrase -along with "Can't Shake it Loose". I guess George Clinton was running out of ideas for songs during that period. |
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 153 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225
| Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 5:39 am: �� | ��� |
Hi Robb I think it was more to do with satisfying Mr Wingate and getting some dollars. I'm not convinced that Emanuel ever recorded "A Toast To You" as I think Bob just got him mixed up with Louis Curry - who had a hit with it. |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 543 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.186.241
| Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 4:38 pm: �� | ��� |
Ralph & Graham, how is Martha Jean doing is there someway to reach her? |
Vic Doucette (vic_doucette) 2-Debutant Username: vic_doucette
Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.115.63.131
| Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 5:03 pm: �� | ��� |
If you mean Martha Jean The Queen, she died several years ago. Her radio station, WQBH, has been run by family members but was recently sold. The new owners have not yet taken over, but speculation is that they will flip the format to either Christian talk or right-wing talk, bith formats where they have experience in from other stations they own. |
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don
Post Number: 544 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.186.241
| Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 5:43 pm: �� | ��� |
Thanks Vic. |