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  SDF (handsome) 5-Doyen Username: handsome Post Number: 298 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
Here are some MORE artists who seemed to have "disappeared" from the music scene. Please feel free to jump in, if you know where they are & what they're doing. Collage'-Romeo Where's Juliet Smoke City-Dreams Mac Band-Roses are red, Love You 2 The Limit, I Belong To You Tim Owens-Smile Milira-Mercy Mercy me, Go Outside In The Rain, One Man Woman, Three's a Crowd Dee Clark-Like An Echo Trey Lorenz-Someone To Hold U.N.V.-Something's Going On, All I Have Chris Walker Chantay Savage Men of Vizion Az Yet-Last Nite Frank McComb Frankie(this is not Frankie Knuckles, this artist was on Epic records)-I Have Love Billy Porter-Love Is On The Way The Jets-Crush on You, You Got It All, Rocket 2 U Art N' Soul-Ever Since you went away Angel Grant-My Lil Red Sailboat & Kisses Luv Lips Handsome | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1061 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
Hi handsome; Dee Clark passed several years ago at his home in Georgia. I knew him breifly through someone in the James Brown Entourage in 1967. S.S. | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 467 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.52.77 |
Hello SS, The band the Jetts have quit the music business. They are from what I heard are livin' in their native home of Tonga a island next to Hawaii. it was in part due to some female home sickness and their mother having more babies, that put a financial strain on the band that lead to file bankrupt__. Though they still perform as a band from time to time on resorts and night clubs. I felt their we're a good band and could have went more farther in status, and could have lasted for a long time. Don | ||
SDF (handsome) 5-Doyen Username: handsome Post Number: 300 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
Soul Sister- I'm sorry...I meant Dee Harvey. Dee Clark made Raindrops, if I'm not mistaken. Sorry for the confusion. He was on Motown records. Here's another: Basic Black-Special Kind of Fool Handsome | ||
Treble Clef (treble_clef) 3-Pundit Username: treble_clef Post Number: 48 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.139 |
Frank McComb was in Philly on Wednesday. He released a new CD called The Truth thru expansion records earlier this year | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 468 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.52.77 |
Handsome huh, Well Smoke City was another band that's from my neighborhood not the hood. I know the lead singer Starr, she's a solo artist locally that was suposdly had a maxi CD out with 2-4 songs & a 9 or 10 song CD supposedly in the works, and their drummer Tonzell (Miller?). Last I heard Starr was playing at some nice hotels and clubs in the south burbs and close to Indiana. Tonzel lives on the northside and is a drummer in a raggae band on the northside of the city also. I forgot their axe man's name, sorry I can't remember the rest of the bands names. Yo, Handsome, I seen in past threads a picture of you and you kinda look like him, or are you their axe ace or their 4 or 6 string guitarist? Handsome, I don't know if you knew this or not nor do I know if you have (their) Smoke City's single(s)and 2 lp's. The band was signed to Columbia in the mid to late 80's At the time when I knew them they we're just a group of musicians jamming togrther, but I knew they had more on their minds on wanting to make it. I only seen their manager from a distance on a couple occasions, nothing more. But I think during my meeting of them, I got a sense that they weren't ready. Because when they'd rehearse their sound was awful slow, like they we're just playin' around jivin' and looks like fun. Tonzil told me me that they we're being signed to Columbia, he always told me what was happening with the band and always could confide with me. And I kept it on the low-key. I wished them success and wasn't envious nor jealous, for real. When Smoke City finally hit with "Dreams"...I Want Ya" (actually which was their first release before "Dreams"), "Give Our Love A Second Chance" and another song that escape me. That I noticed a change in Tonzill's tude. It is all water underneath the bridge, but back then I was angry, betrayed, p-o'd that a knife was plunged in my back. The reason for all of this was a bassist for a jam band I was with showed & played my bass arrangments for Tonzell and other instrument arrangments plus lyrics in voice keys, not the simple lyric with the simple 1 or 2 bar note written upbove it like with lyricist/melody writers do. I written it on leadsheets with pogressional chords, time, tempo, changes the works. Terrez Wilson (P-nut) as we call/know him could memorize songs from the top of his head, whether it be mine (which sounded horrible) his, somebody's or something he heard on the radio. He never had any lesson or learned the fundamentals of the bass scales, because I taught him. No, he was just a natural gifted that plays by ear and still does today. I taught him what I wrote down though he'd could never understand, and fluffed them off. With P-nut I'd have to hum or break out into a human-beatbox mode for him, then he'd pick it up. I'm glad I didn't take my song arrangments cause I'd would've forgotten them for him to study, and wouldn've got 'em back. Smoke City, this is not to shed any negitivity-not so. But the first lp Tonzil didn't have any skill nor ideal on how to record in the studio as well as a couple of it's band members and we're replaced by studio pro's, see. Tonzell only played on 2 tracks with along with some other member that cost their manager or the company a buddle and alot out headaches. So he says he left LA as he claimed and quit the band. Not quite true S.C., recorded those songs and the album in Chicago. Maybe at PS, A&B, or Universal more than likely. And wanted to make the story sound gloriously fabulous...Why? He always confided with me and always told me things in confidence, though there'd be flaws. I got a chance to see SC in local appreneces here and there. Tonzell didn't learn his craft making records, but the rest of the other band members did and learned to play on record and live and stayed with the band. There may have been some personale changes when they headed back to the studio to do a follow-up lp. I never had it played locally here with the except of 1 song, and I was glad that it wasn't a song I had written, composed and arranged-whew!. Their second lp was not what it was considered be by other's grand expectations what other's percieved. What Tonzell was 'p' about was his enability and he and honest the bands ability to become artist, with the exception of ala Starr. My father was clothes shopping at the Evergreen Plaza, and Tonzell told him I was running around with a tough crowd and told him other false accusations. My Father knew he was full of sh__ and never every move I made-I'd tell him. Because he knew that Tonzell couldn't play worth a lick and plays in simple time and monotone-ish (quietly). I can tell when I listen to "I Want Ya" and "Dreams". The real working title is "Dream About You", also the other version I shorten it to "Dreams". Later he told me a story and another time that he gave me a recomendation that he wanted me to be his replacement, don't know how true it is?, and made false accusation about me that we're not true. I later learned thru someone that they wanted me all along until Tonzell's twisted, sick & prevert very words bearing false witness against me that the band's judgement of me and that was said percieved me as this 'criminal minded mofo' that was not professional, unapproachable, a thug and not being business minded. If I'm supposed to be all dat, why is 'T' alledges what I wasn't doing then why is he runnin' around with the rasta men & has joined their religion beliefs? I don't get it? Don | ||
SDF (handsome) 5-Doyen Username: handsome Post Number: 301 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
What's Up Don! Thanks for the info on Smoke City. I heard & remembered the song I want ya! Hit me @darren.hobson@infores.com, thanks. Handsome | ||
SDF (handsome) 5-Doyen Username: handsome Post Number: 302 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
Thanks Tremble Clef! Frank Is bad...he sounds like a combo of Stevie & Donny! Handsome | ||
SDF (handsome) 5-Doyen Username: handsome Post Number: 303 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
Sorry for this mis-spelling Treble Clef...I hit the enter button to fast, ha ha! Handsome | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 910 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.44.131 |
On a scale of 1-10, longevity factor of most acts is less than a MINUS 10!! To make it in this biz you have to "check your egos at the door" and of course, "be in it to win it". Most acts dont have that "it factor" needed to survive. | ||
SDF (handsome) 5-Doyen Username: handsome Post Number: 304 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
You are so right Mr. Eli. I just though of another group: Tease-Firstarter...I do know that Kevin "Kipper" Jones is a songwriter and help Brandy on her 1st cd. There are countless others. Does anyone know if he was the lead singer on FireStarter? I also like this other song by Tease called, Wish You Were Here (not the same song made by Free Life several years ago, though that song was kool too)! Handsome | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 470 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.179.68 |
SDF (a/k/a) Handsome I'll try to get around to emailing you though I'm kinda booked up. I will eventually, ok? ______________________________ ___________________ Thank you Bobby for your inspired words of wisdom & knowledge. "I ain't mad". Why he 'T' would bear false witness the way he did against me E? I faith is out weighs every situation and never let's me down. PS Bobby Eli, can you still jam Teddy's "Baby Get Ready (It's Time For Love) for me, one time. I love when the guitarist has a 8th or 16th solo in the bridge there in there instrumental. Yes, I learned lyrical writing from reading PIR's inside album sleeves. Don A Friend | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 474 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.179.68 |
Handsome & Soul Sister, Dee Clark did pass back in the 80's, I read it in Robert Pruter's 2 Books..Doowop; "The Chicago Soul Scene" and Chicago Soul. All the DJ's here played every song he reorded or was apart of for a whole week straight. Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 477 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.179.68 |
Their manager didn't know anything about the record business, about reading and understanding them - he was a jackleg/bootlegger of a manager of a wanna be. At least that what was told on to me. I don't know enough about him to say such things about the man. He's managing Starr I think? She's a talented lead vocalist/keyboardist. My own beliefs out weighs the bad on any given time or day. "CUZ" | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1568 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Don, Thanks for the info about Smoke City. That was some great inside info & I thought that Starr sang her backside off on that LP. She sure deserved to be more thab a one hit wonder. Great story!!! | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 478 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.179.68 |
I don't have anything to say to you J-20. Since you The Moderator erase my 2 post on Halle & Eric and Brandy & Roberts. I was only backing you and thought I was dropping a hint, about whatever you probally had on your mind? I think you got disgruttled because I wouldn't take the sides of the 2 women per sa, because both couple are at fault to a certain degree. And I don't take sides over the other, I will not and can not do it. Plus you said you are or we're a native a the south subburbs, I call myself posting ann opinion. No, I really gave you a benefit of the doubt and dropped my guard a little because you we're so snap cross to judge in to apeaze only to entertain SD'ers instead of to re-educate the hellriffic minds state, to show off your prowness for a certain woman and or cheerleading girls, who don't contributed to what's being said on the main forum, to only cheer one ego by adding little snip bits and nothing else. Or maybe you just wanted to see yourself as getting the last words. If I we're to start a thread, I wouldn't ask The Moderator to ease no one's post offa my thread, period. Since David & Lowell and has asked that everybody from a few yrs ago till late last yr to be re-instated, cause a few of us that's still left here can't answer all the threads by one self (you can even tell by my typing isn't up to pare) with a woman and her cheerleaders patronizing and making things even giving a bad shot to one's ego. I'll just say this in close Gloryhallastoopid Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow If Anybody's Gonna Get Funked Up It's Gonna Be You? PS Don't patronize on tell me how good Starr did. I opened & spilled my life out to all of what happened in my life, and came 4X's in my life almost costing life and all aims never missed me as a Mackavelli Tupac tragedy "For what over some damn music!?". I don't blame-, I blame TPW. I'm turning my back on this R&B mess and setting my sights on da Funk...."I Changed". "CUZ" | ||
Gil (gil) 3-Pundit Username: gil Post Number: 50 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 68.223.12.142 |
The Jets are still living stateside, and are split between Utah and California. The orignal group's younger brothers and sisters are performing as a "next generation" of the Jets. They performed at the winter olympics that were held in Utah. I believe the new group put out a new album that was produced by one of the older brothers. I heard an interview with the producer brother, and he seemed to be in good spirits and said that the others are doing well. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1577 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
NOTE TO THE MODERATOR!!!! PLEASE DON'T DELETE!!! Ohh ohh Don. You're in here doing something wrong!!! I can't believe what I'm reading!! Err, Don, What in the blue blazes are you talkin about?? I was just complimenting you tonight to a forum member, just this evening & we agreed that you had some good insight & that you bring some good perspective here. I came to praise you Don & you comes to bury me??? The wording & tone of your post sorely tempts me to break my cardinal rule regarding calm, respectful responses. However, I'm a kinder, gentler Juice than I was in my youth. As such, I'm gonna dissect your post like Ike told Tina to......NICE & EASY  So now, having taken several deep breaths, counted to ten....17 times at that, run around the block 3 times, sipped a Bud & smoked 3 Newports, I respectfully & calmly ask you this: what are you talking about??? Like Ike & Tina, we're about to go rolling on the river!!! Here's to you........ Brother, you have completely lost me. Let's try this again. I think that there is a communication break down here. First of all, I am not the moderator, a moderator, or any such thing. I don't run crying to the moderator, believe me, I hold my own just fine. If you don't know, ask somebody here. Nor, do I indiscriminately insult, pick fights, whine or complain over INCORRECT perceived slights. I don't dish them out & rest assured, I sure don't suffer them quietly, much less with a smile. Let me make this clear: I fight my OWN fights, I don't run to the moderator, wearing a pair of pink booties & a rattle. I'm a big boy & don't need to ask ANYONE to delete a thread. You owe me an apology. If you're a right thinking man, you will do so post haste! If not, that's on you. I am one who merely posts, just as you do. I also agreed with you for the most part regarding the brandy thread. Furthermore, if you re-read that Brandy thread, as a fellow poster, I advised you that the site had had a few glitches where posts disappeared & sometimes appeared in other threads. If you don't believe what I'm saying, I'm sure that others can verify that. I also told you that I have accidentally erased several of my OWN posts. At first, I thought that the moderators had deleted them, just as you thought that. I found that I was wrong & that I had deleted my own posts. Just recently, I tried to post on the Bill Cosby thread & FOUR TIMES, I accidentally erased my own posts!!! After over 1,000 posts, you'd figure that I wouldn't make that mistake. It still happens & if you had bothered to read the thread, instead of getting in a snit, you'd have seen that I asked you to re-post your remarks because I wanted to see what you had written. Instead, you choose to pout. Man, you're a bigger person than that. You're better than that! Pouting just doesn't become a grown a.. man. It's not cute, so please stop it. Ok...ok....'sall right....'sall right. Good, now let's move onward & upward As for being disgruntled, let me assure you of this. I'm only expressing my point of view, as we all are. I don't sleep with these celebrities, they don't come to my house & I don't visit theirs. I don't know them & they sure as hell don't know me. As such, I could care less about it, it's not that serious. I don't take it to heart. Unless someone gets personal with me, it's a matter of an opinion. Frankly, I really don't think that Brandy cares what I have to say about anything. I don't recall anyone asking folks to choose up sides. You're looking at it the wrong way. I can't speak for anyone else here, but I realize that you don't really know me. Let me give you some insight about me. First of all, I don't care whether people agree with my opinion or not. That is why it is MY OPINION. If my opinion was everyones' opinion, what would that mean??? I respect different opinions. Hell, I don't agree with every opinion that my son, mother or friends have, nor do I expect that to be the case. Once again, if you had bothered to check that thread & if you've been paying a modicum of attention to the forum, you'd know that if a moderator HAD deleted your post, his name would have appeared IN THE THREAD, with a friendly message stating that the post was unacceptable. Go back to the thread & see if those words appear anywhere in that thread. Brother, I'm taking the time to explain this to you because, you are sadly mistaken regarding this. As regards people posting on the main forum, did you ever stop to think that perhaps, the topics simply don't interest them? So, now you purport to judge what threads people should read & respond to?? Sounds to me like there's a little bit of the old moderator in you. I think you have P.O.T.E.N.T.I.A.L. Exactly who made you the judge, jury & executioner, as regards what threads people should respond to??? You have a lot of nerve. You feel insulted because you think that I asked the moderator to delete your post??? Brother, I don't have that kind of power & you posted nothing of an inflammatory nature that deserved deletion. So, just how did you get it into your head that I HAD YOUR POST DELETED. Your assertion would be humorous, if it wasn't so sad. Furthermore, you choose to insult your fellow forum members for the horrible crime of not seeing things your way. You compound your sins by insulting some very nice ladies of the forum. How chivalrous of you. You're quite the gentleman, aren't you? And thus, that explains your position in that thread. Why would you expect him to show respect for Brandy, when you don't show respect to some of our female forum members. Hmmm.... food for thought. Let him who has ears hear. Are you jealous of my friends??? I detect just a weeeeee bit of envy there. That's not a very friendly emotion & that makes me so, so sad  You obviously don't like being insulted or slighted, yet, you have chosen to slight & insult these fine ladies. Brother, you speak with forked tongue & I'm embarassed for you. You should check yourself, you haven't made ONE correct assertment in your entire post. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day & even a blind squirrel finds an acorn ev'ry once in awhile. Brother, you're batting 1.000, EVERYTHING you wrote was wrong. That's the way to go, strive for perfection I do thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt as regards my ability to post an opinion. It's mighty big of you to allow me what is my right as an American citizen. Nevertheless, I thank you for your benevolance. As for myself, I DO take sides & I do so unashamedly. Right is right & wrong is wrong. Just look at your remarks & compare them to everyone elses' in that thread. As I recall, I even agreed with you that they were BOTH wrong. However, in your myopia, you refused to understand, or consider the CONTEXT & CONTENT of the thread. If you weren't so defensive, you'd have understood the point that was being made. Instead, you looked at it 180 degrees diametrically opposed to everyone else, which is your right to do. I don't recall where anyone verbally assaulted you, or knocked your opinion. Again, I humbly ask, what are you referring to & talking about. Brother, what you have stated here about me borders on libel & slander. However, I don't complain to the moderator about things like this. I ain't mad at 'cha. Hell, I don't even know what you're talking about. Do you? Regarding my prowess, I only show off my prowess when it means something. These are merely words & opinions. I show off my prowess at work, where I am a hell of a worker, if I do say so myself. References can be supplied upon request. I show off my prowess when I treat a woman with decency & respect. Not by trying to destroy their reputation & career on the radio....where OUR child may someday read about it. Whatta dad!! As regards my prowess, I mix a pretty good set of music. The mixes are on time. I make a pretty good bowl of Rasin Bran as well. I make a mean glass of chocolate milk. I play a pretty decent outfield & first base. I also am pretty good at more private matters with the fairer sex. So, I don't need to try to have your posts deleted to get off. That's not exactly viagra to me, know what I mean??? I also show my prowess by not giving you the type of response that you have earned here this evening. If it were not for the same respect that I just spoke of, I would have tossed off some very ignorant rants to what was a most ridiculous post. You have truly earned my bile & invective. However, I give you mercy & compassion, which by the way, you haven't earned. As regards Smoke City, I had no idea that you were involved with them in any capacity. Do you really believe that I knew who you were back in 1985??? Frankly, I don't even know who the hell you are now. All I know is that Dreams was one beautiful song & if you had something to do with it, it was a job well done. I also liked Tracy & In The World Of Fantasy. So, I'm not patronizing you at all. I LIKE THE SONG, I don't personally know the people behind it. For your edification, I don't patronize anyone. Either I like you or I do not like you. Before tonight, I kinda liked you. After tonight, I'm not too sure anymore. I also wonder why you chose to mention that your typing wasn't up to par (my correction). No one ever said anything about your typing, your spelling, or anything else of that nature. This is not a spelling or grammar class. I was interested in what you had to say, not how you spelled it. As such, I would have never been as callous as to make fun of such a thing. Brother, what's up with all of this sensitivity??? How can you possibly be in the Music industry, yet have such thin skin. Thin skin over some silly crap & imaginary slights, at that?? Now, let's talk about that "woman & her cheerleaders" that you referred to above. I'll rap it for you: I guess that now you could take a hunch. And find that I am the fella of the bunch. But that's okay, I still keep in stride. Cause all I'm here to do is rap some truth here for your mind. As to the bad shot to the ego, whose ego took a shot??? Mine??? Yours??? Ours??? Brandys'??? Barneys??? What was said or done that was so devastating that any egos should have been bruised??? In fact, if any ego should be bruised, it should be mine, as you have printed some scurrilous things here about me. The sad thing is that somewhere in the deep recesses of what is called your mind, you believe your lies to be the truth. And that's called.....SAD If I were a real jerk, I'd be screaming to Ralph about how unfair you treated me & all that. But, I'm made of sterner stuff than that. Unlike you, I respect your right to an opinion, no matter how ridiculous you make yourself look by doing so. I ask you to please continue edifying us all with your mellifluous tones. I'll never go running to the moderator about such a silly thing, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE WRONG!!! Novel idea, isn't it??? As regards the following: Gloryhallastoopid By Parliament: I really loved the songs The Big Bang theory & The Theme From the Black Hole. Parliament did their thing on those jams!!! FYMAYAWF By Funkadelic: Just a tad too weird for me & somewhat inaccesible to me as well. Not their best effort. However, I did like One Nation, Get Off Your A.., Knee Deep, You'll Like It Too & I Got A Thang....funky all!!! If Anyone's Gonna Get Funked Up By Mr Clinton was funky as you know what. By the way, I also liked Sweat Band, Zapp, Junie, Brick, Slave & Lakeside as well!!! As far as my having the last word, I'm not interested in that. I would have preffered letting you have that. You know what, if it wasn't so erroneous, I'd have let you have it too. However, I do reserve the right to defend myself against such obvious rubbish as I've read here tonight. Actually, I would have preffered to let your words stand by their lonesome as a testiment to your fairness & grasp & understanding of the printed word. Reading is truly fundamental, more importantly, UNDERSTANDING the written word is equally as important....Think about it As to deletion, as you may or may not have seen, or may or MAY NOT have understood, I have equested that our moderator let this post stand. It speaks volumes about your mindset. The only request that I have to make of our beleagured moderator is that he state here whether I asked him to delete any of your postings, or anyone elses. If you honestly believe that I thought that you were stealing my thunder, you were so wrong. First of all, I was enjoying our discourse. It was a fair, open sharing of opinions. It's too bad that you were the only one who either got upset, or couldn't handle a differing opinion. I hate to say this, but I must. I'm usually level headed but you've kinda got my shorts in a bunch here. Now, this is as rough as I'll be on a sensitive soul such as yourself. First of all, you could NEVER steal my thunder or my thread. Verbally, you can't compete so please, stop that crazy thing!!! Brother, you're in the big leagues, so please don't flatter yourself by deluding yourself into thinking that I was scared of your written jousts. Frankly, you ain't no Willie Shakespeare, you know what I mean??? When you step to me, you can't come weak & you sure can't be acting all sensitive like Michael Jackson singing She's Out Of My Life, know what I mean. Look, in a public forum, there are many opinions & not all will be in alignment with yours. A word of advice....GET OVER IT!!! That's what transpires in forums.... we talk... we agree... we agree to disagree. However, there's no crying in forums!!! Gee whiz, what are we, third graders playing jacks or tiddly winks??? Hey, if you don't want me to respond to, or compliment something you write, somehow, I'll just have to get over it. Oh yes, I know that I'll be dying inside, I know it. Somehow, I'll force myself to dust myself off & survive. I don't know how I'll manage, but I understand that I must carry on!!! However, if you do correspond with me, please come correct. You are dead wrong here & a real man would admit that. Hell, any fair minded human would apologize. Man, don't ever change, I needed a good laugh, you gave me one. The way you've been flatulating your lipids & gesticulating the phlebitis of our gonads brought catharsis to my soul. And while you ruminate & masticate upon the verbiage of what I'm verbalizing with the utmost of TLC this morning, I ask you to never change. You've brought a smile to my heart. You're really funny. You ain't just humorous, you're metamucil to my soul & I love you man Signed, Juice...the MAN with the two pretty cheerleaders Remember, you started this crap. You threw down the gauntlet & I have no problem picking it up. You'd bee better served by going back to the thread & seeing where you went wrong. And....YOU WERE WRONG!!! Me thinks you doth protest too much. Me also thinks that you suffer from delusions of grandeur. But hey, we all suffers from upward mobility (Message edited by juicefree20 on July 31, 2004) (Message edited by juicefree20 on July 31, 2004) (Message edited by juicefree20 on July 31, 2004) (Message edited by juicefree20 on July 31, 2004) (Message edited by juicefree20 on July 31, 2004) | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1579 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
By the way, forgive me. I spelled referred incorrectly. | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 479 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.54.254 |
The other song was "Living In a World Of Fantasy. Naw, I change my mind I'll stick to my roots of R&B.."I quit Funk long time ago". DON | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 480 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.54.254 |
JuiceFree 20 Smoke City's second album I had nothing to do with. That album for Columbia bombed- it failed. It ain't your fault it just touch a nerve. My apology to you-you forgive me? Don | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1580 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Don, You spoke like a true gentleman!! Apology is most definitely accepted!! I ain't mad at 'cha!!! And we're both right, they BOTH were wrong Never give up on the Soul........MAN | ||
Gil (gil) 3-Pundit Username: gil Post Number: 52 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 68.223.12.142 |
Now, that's how a family is supposed to act! Good job, Juice and Don. We all have our moments. | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 481 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.187.29 |
I turned alot of people on to music. I know in the80's sights and sounds we're a bit strange and new wavish with the keyboard domination of sound. I stuck to alot of the more rooted sounds plus liked some of what was happen, like in 50/50, the other half was crap. The only music I dug with keyboard sound of the 80's with this technology was The Blues. I can still muster enough like to listen to. You posted last nite after I posted that you LOL, well that was real, no rabblin' speech by me. That was/is a true story. I never acted like that towards the band or anybody. I was hurt by the drummer by his actions, and yet last nite when I posted, maybe I didn't take it on the chin as a lesson learnt, I just wanted you to feel the pain and angished I experieced. Like that drabble about as comparing myself The Late Tupac's strange dismise. I never got caught up in playing sides. I don't think I even started that larger than life comment you made early-I was never like that. Now I'm not saying I did it and a persom'll be around seeing me acting up, showing out, and I would play it off and continue coming back and acting like nothing's happen. I just Showed "T" music theory, and talked to him about it to challenge his thoughts (even if it's World Music nowadays), as regards to what he hears or what is missing or actually what he can interpited as to what he can find for hisself. Yeah, I turned people on to The Police, Sting (Solo), Talking Heads, Pretenders, Frank Zappa, Missing Persons, Lou Reed, Sothside Johnny & The Jukes, Jake Gilles Band, Springsteen, Van Halen even some Bowie. Ev'ry body was into Parliament I turned them on to FUNKADELIC, cause I knew that music more. Till I moved out south here alot of neighbor rats wanna be kats was diggin'it much was reluctant & not willing to take that walk on the wild side, meaning to enlighten themselfs. You made a somewhat negitve comment about The Funks, actually when it comes to listening one will feel as being engrossed. Like I said if somthing is ugly, distasteful and negitve-ly inpositive what it's basically saying is change your own mind set and change your way of thinking the way of the act, just because other's maybe be stuck in a state of unchange-reslessness-denial and so forth, Many are caught or get caught in like a L7 and are afraid to venture out to better themselfs to change the way they think, act, the lifestyle-by bettering their lives see. The only thing I try to show "T" he was writing his lyrics we're to show him how to shorten his & Starr' lyrical content, it be good meaning and try to add it elsewhere. I told 'T' the rest of the album you all over wrote, cause how in the world was somebody was going to remember this?. I never showed nobody what I wrote, arranged except a kid I was hooked with, I only kept my songs at home & not to let them get left behind. I told them you all need to do is be ready to do some songwriting meetings together, don't just go in there with nothing unprepaired which evenually happen in thee end. Sorry I mistype and made somethings look bad. The bassist' advant garde stuff sounded like crap! Not saying I'm a expert. I think They've coulda still be around but that's how groups and bands goes sometimes, eh? Maggot Brain, Cosmic Slop hell even, mellow fair completed "Whyte Mike" can now say and told me the other day I turned him on to it, he told me that he never thought of Parliament's other sde, and said he had no knowledge of it until he meet me. Back then in the neighborhood I jammed with alot of neighboring musicians? And like I said there was alot of bickering and politics and pulling other's towards this side and that side. Actually, what cooked 'T's' goose was when their wasn't music in the blocks anymore, and what I was trying to do I was the last left. I think there was no one left to copy off of-what a lazy way to go out. And Starr should too do some reinvaluating her self too. What she thought she was doing then has absolutely nothing to do to what is going on now, sad but true. I took a break from the blah-blah and went to THe Bronx and you can just imagine what I seen there? Got back here, and one other fella (Dunbar) was trying to challenge me on my own traps. Poochie just wanted to hear himself play, since him, P-nut and Mike play together & sounded like "Sloppy Seconds". Even Smoke City in the beginning sounded better than that. What I heard back in NY was with the sampling of JB's Beats and I took it to another level. Later when Hip-Hop started progressing more, when one day I heard the music of the Ultra Magnetic MC's, Ultra Magnetic for short. Yea. adda lil di & sum of dat, and make it sound much fresh & clear. And I put Poochie flat on his azz. His brother Fred I respected, he reminds me of a Fred White, Tiki Fulwood, Dennis Chambers and a Frankie "Kash" Waddy.. and loud, but no still no contest. Yeah, I was hip to (UM's) these brothers from 81-2 before 83. In 83 that's when they started recording later with Tim Dog, ya kmow? And along came BDP, PE, Rakim Above THe Law, Ice T, Getto Boys, D.O.C., Like I was sayin' Ultra was way ahead of the time cause they we're the 1st of sound like the way Hip-Hop/Reality Rap of how it is technicoly sounds today..and was I felt "Funk". Yea-yea-yeah, of course there was Afrika Bambata, but not like these dudes. Westcoast is nothing but all the ways Funk/R&Bish Funk just all in yo face sraight out letting it all hand out Funk, period. "Did I start something when I came back from NY/NJ?"...Nah, no one will ever believe me. DON a/k/a "CUZ" | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 482 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.187.29 |
Hint, look at Wonder B's thread in the Apr 2004 archieves under CAMEO. I think SLAVE may be mentioned in that particular thread, and you'll see what other comments I made. DON | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 483 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.36.7 |
I read your long winded speech, "have anybody told you Juice you talk to much. Now I'll give you so trustsy war of words, and maybe I had it coming-but you touched a nerve. But that's ok. I'll just leave this on your mind and I want you to remember it, your group didn't do it all by themselfs- and it don't matter if you, her , him or them slap your name to the work. Also Tonzell we see me soon. So it doesn't matter what you say or how you say it, it don't matter. I'll respond to any post your on or if you start one up on your own guarantedt ok. Not What I'm about to say has nothing to do with being sinister, and I don't glorify the script lame speeches either Juice. Remember the scene from the Godfather where Michael comes to Vagas and what does he tell (hint) his lush druken, wussy-wipt brother Fredo, huh. You member this, I don't need no cheerleaders (this is real) and take it anyway U wonna-Never get it twisted cause it make one stupid & it's not good for the health. Think on that ol old man, watch your own self here. PS "SO WHAT!" DON | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1581 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Don, I definitely appreciate your musical knowledge. I have a lot of respect for you, because you've been in the trenches. Me, I'm on the outside looking in. I could only hope to be in the mix like you are. That is why I complimented you about Smoke City. I always wonder why some groups have a great song, only to disappear. Your story explained just what happens to some of these groups & that's why I enjoy reading your posts. Where else would I have learned that story, if you hadn't posted that here. What you have done here is shared some musical history with us. You also let some aspiring artist/producer, etc know that it can be a pretty dirty business. I can understand why that bothers you. I know that I'd be real angry about it as well. I appreciate you baring your soul about such a sensitive subject. It seems that kind of thing happens too often & I'm really sorry to know that it happened to you. Listen, I won't argue or debate with you. I've said all that I need to say & yes, I do talk too much when provoked. However, I'm more interested in reading the insights that you bring us, regarding music. Frankly, I find your music stories to be of far more interest than anything that I have to say. Frankly, I'm not that important. You have a lot to offer us & I'd rather spend my time here reading about your musical knowledge than to engage in a back & forth debate, that only diminishes us both. So, I will promise to never toss angry words your way, if you promise to keep giving us the benefit of your musical knowledge & experiences. Do we have a deal???? | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 484 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.36.7 |
Hi Juicefree 20 What happen to me being caught up in a real life Welcome To Deathrow and film Play'd situation, it was for real in regards to also being hurt "for what over some music?!". Plus, I don't have the mind set anymore to compose to write out arrangement leadsheets, even if I we're to be tested in a studio situation. I do try to get my act together and try to read notes and bars. With injury's sustained it sorta wiped out what I learned thru the yrs-for some strangely reasons unknown. When violent and senseless occured I never once thought of a "Big Pay Back", although all involved are not around anymore and still watch my back, because some test or try to step to me that never had anything to do with it & I never had any beefs with. And to I'am reduced back into like before a lyrical/melody writer. Yup Advant Garde. No, I, uh, never done any writing for Clinton's PFA's, I was just using a term to express myself in a figure of speech was all. You and your better half wil have to excuse my mistyping because I've been learning other languages-Yeah Juice you got a deal, sure. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1597 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hi Don, I appreciate that. I think that it's really messed up when you pour your heart & soul into something & somebody messes you around. The one thing that I pick up from your posts is that you have a lot of passion for music. You truly feel it deep in your soul & I respect that. Like I said, keep plugging away & don't let no one bring you down. I can imagine that it gets rough at times but remember.....they can't keep a good man down!! Keep the dream alive & don't give up | ||
SDF (handsome) 5-Doyen Username: handsome Post Number: 308 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
Gil, I need you to email me about Raydio! Handsome | ||
SDF (handsome) 5-Doyen Username: handsome Post Number: 309 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
I heard you Don, loud & clear, just don't forget, ha ha! Handsome | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 495 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.176.103 |
Handsome, I tried to email you when you posted. My message didn't get thru and email got sent back. Handsome, don't get the "ha-ha" meaning at all. Maybe I can laugh on the bad things and thank my lucky stars that I made and how I got thru. Plus, their getting the check not me to live snug as a bug and comfy cozy- "SO WHAT!" | ||
Gil (gil) 3-Pundit Username: gil Post Number: 53 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 192.44.136.113 |
Handsome, What's your email address? | ||
SDF (handsome) 5-Doyen Username: handsome Post Number: 315 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
Don, I just added ha ha so that you didn't think I was being demanding. It's all good! Gil: darren.hobson@infores.com Handsome |
