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Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (weldon)
5-Doyen
Username: weldon
Post Number: 199
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.80.162.3
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 1:38 pm: �� |   ��� |
last night Bobby Martin and his wife droped by, I had not seen him in about 15 years, I showed him SD, he told me to say hello to all you guys and he is doing well,
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Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 883
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.22.60
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 1:51 pm: �� | ��� |
Weldon,
Is he going to be in the area for a while?
I sure would like to see him! |
Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (weldon)
5-Doyen
Username: weldon
Post Number: 200
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.80.162.3
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 2:31 pm: �� | ��� |
Bobby he went to New York, I don't know if he is comming back to Philly, he was driving. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
5-Doyen
Username: mel
Post Number: 393
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.153.210.164
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 2:36 pm: �� | ��� |
Weldon
regards to Mr Martin
if you see him again.
I am a big admirer.
many thanks
mel-o-delphia |
Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 887
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.22.60
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 2:56 pm: �� | ��� |
Thanks Weldon, I know that it was GREAT seeing him after all these years!
He looks great on that pic with your "classic" bamboo chair!!! |
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo)
4-Laureate
Username: kevgo
Post Number: 126
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 64.33.151.141
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 5:36 pm: �� | ��� |
Weldon:
Please give Mr. Martin my regards - he along with Thom Bell, Bert DeCouteaux and Oliver Nelson are my favorite all-time arrangers.
Kevin Goins - KevGo |
paulie3$hoes (paulie3hoes)
4-Laureate
Username: paulie3hoes
Post Number: 96
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.22.60
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 7:10 pm: �� | ��� |
eh hey kev go..i kan kall youse kev go, eh??@#$^ |
Manny (manny)
5-Doyen
Username: manny
Post Number: 286
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.124.52.107
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 7:15 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi, Mr. Weldon!!
Please, if you have the chance, salute this Philly great in the name of a true spanish's Philly Sound lover. He is, surely, a great Classical Music lover, because many classical arrangements of Philly songs was by Bobby Martin (especially Monk Montgomery's "Reality"!).
Hope Bobby and yourself both are very well.
Thanks, Peace & Soul Food |
Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 1524
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 7:17 pm: �� | ��� |
All that I can say is that in my opinion, Mr Martin simply does not received the amount of credit that he deserves. Bobby should be spoken of like all of the other Gods of the music industry. Sheer excellence & class!!! |
Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 896
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.22.60
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 9:03 pm: �� | ��� |
IMO,
Bobby Martin IS the Philly Sound.
BTW.., it was upon his reccomendation to A&M that I got the Atlantic Starr production gig! |
T.L. Harris (tl_harris)
2-Debutant
Username: tl_harris
Post Number: 18
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 64.12.116.138
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 10:14 pm: �� | ��� |
Hello Weldon, I am glad you were able to see Bobby Martin. I am sure you had a nice time talking to him.
T.L. Harris |
isaiah imani (isaiah)
1-Arriviste
Username: isaiah
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2004
Posted From: 66.119.33.170
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 10:12 am: �� | ��� |
This thread could really have amounted to a true celebration of an unsung genius, a man who pioneered and personified THE rhythm&blues sound of the 1970's... But, instead, it becomes another one for the archive graveyard, because folk are caught up in the power of name recognition...
In truth, Mr. Bobby Martin is the creator of the sound that became known as The Sound Of Philadelphia, as all of his arranging credits for PIR, as well as, Columbia and Solar records, to name a few, will attest... This man arranged the music, while the Gamble&Huff's, Sigler's, Wansel's, and McFadden&Whitehead's wrote and produced the lyrical concept of PIR... In my humble opinion, one who does this dirty work of the business, producing, writting, and arranging wonderful lyrics and music, deserve more of our recognition than those who simply stand on a stage, or in front of a studio microphone, and blow... To me, the singer gets TOO much credit, and that is because they are so visible... Sadly, Americans being among the most intellectually shallow and superficial of all the world's populations, value the name on the marquee, above those behind the scenes...
This is where I give the British, and others mad credit, as they value the making of the art from it's inception to completion, and all the players that make it possible... A man like Bobby Martin deserves that kind of treatment, that kind of recognition, because in his lifetime, he was involved with the creation of more great music than most any singer I can name outside of the true prolific legends, like Smokey, Barry, Stevie, and Curtis... Now that he's gone from the music scene to pursue other things in his life, it is easy to forget that he was the man who produced 6 albums for the Manhattans, including their legendary Kiss and Say Goodbye album, as well as albums for Bobby Caldwell, Nancy Wilson, Benny Golson, the Jacksons, and LTD... I'm glad that I found out that he was THE MAN behind all of that big, juicy sound of PIR and SALSOUL, so whenever I hear those songs played, I instantly attach his name to them... I just wanna tell Bobby Martin, though this music may not even matter to you in your "new" life, it gave meaning to me and millions of others in a very impressionable time of my life... Seeing the picture of you presented by W.A.M.III is like seeing the DOCTOR who prescribed the medicine for so much healing... I have given Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff, and many others their due props, and believe it is time you've gotten yours... You richly deserve it...
Peace!
Isaiah |
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
4-Laureate
Username: davie_gordon
Post Number: 163
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.93.33.10
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 10:57 am: �� | ��� |
Hi Isaiah, good to see you back.
I agree with what you're saying - I think however
that it's more a case of the sheer volume of
great music that Bobby Martin's been involved in.
Just where do you start ? - frankly half the time when I see his name my brain jams with
echoes of dozens of records he worked on.
I think most of us are well aware of his greatness
- it's just a case of being a bit daunted by the sheer immensity of his contribution.
Fair enough ?
Davie |
Alain Nguyen (soulgems)
1-Arriviste
Username: soulgems
Post Number: 4
Registered: 7-2004
Posted From: 65.166.187.218
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 1:10 pm: �� | ��� |
I am a huge Bobby Martin fan and always loved the quality of his arrangements especially with the vocals where I think he truly shined.
There is an acetate from Bobby Martin called Monster Records, it was recorded around 1976 and contains recordings from Jean Terrell, Friends of Distinction and other artists. The song The Train from Friends of Distinction is Bobby Martin at his best. I believe the acetate was created to pitch his production company to a major.
I am not aware of any recordings released by Monster Records, so I looks like the deal did not materialize. But he went on and worked on some amazing productions with Tavares, LTD, Ecstasy Passion and Pain...
After the early 80's I wonder what happened to him? I heard he quit the business altogether and worked for the INS.
Does someone know? |
John Barry Sheffield (jaybs)
3-Pundit
Username: jaybs
Post Number: 60
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.92.168.165
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 1:13 pm: �� | ��� |
The warmth and genuine smile from Bobby Martin in the photo just says everything about the Bobby we know and His Philly Sound!
The acetate sounds interesting is the track by JEAN TERRELL a good one?
Thanks John |
Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 1201
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.236.56.214
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 1:21 pm: �� | ��� |
Alain,
Bobby is a devout Jehovah's Witness and does ministry work for them. |
Alain Nguyen (soulgems)
1-Arriviste
Username: soulgems
Post Number: 6
Registered: 7-2004
Posted From: 65.166.187.218
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 1:27 pm: �� | ��� |
John,
There's actually a couple songs from Jean Terrell, the one called I hear my heart drumming a beat, in my opinion, could have been a major hit then. |
John Barry Sheffield (jaybs)
3-Pundit
Username: jaybs
Post Number: 62
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.92.168.165
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 1:53 pm: �� | ��� |
Alain............ Many Thanks! from the first time I heard JEAN she blew my mind and when I met her, she Knocked! me out and still does.
The LADY has Talent! - hope one day! Bobby may find a way to get some of the tracks released, even if only a VAULT COLLECTION!
Cheers John |
Mark Speck (mark_speck)
4-Laureate
Username: mark_speck
Post Number: 107
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 63.188.113.110
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 8:57 pm: �� | ��� |
Weldon, would you please give Mr. Martin my regards as well?
Another gent whose name on a record makes it worth picking up!
Best,
Mark |
~medusa~ (~medusa)
6-Zenith
Username: ~medusa
Post Number: 457
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 68.251.198.103
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 9:00 pm: �� | ��� |
Well~~~Isaiah, good 2 C U Back~~~Welcome back to SDF. It's been great here, bigger and better. |
isaiah imani (isaiah)
1-Arriviste
Username: isaiah
Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2004
Posted From: 64.12.116.138
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 6:21 am: �� | ��� |
Hey now, Shuga Brown(smile!) I get the sweetest feeling hearing(reading)those words from you!(smile!) Sometime this month will mark an anniversary for you and me, so what we gone do, Brownskin???(smile!) Don'tchoo answer dat up in hyeah!(LOL!) Rap to you later!
Peace!
Isaiah |
isaiah imani (isaiah)
1-Arriviste
Username: isaiah
Post Number: 4
Registered: 8-2004
Posted From: 64.12.116.138
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 6:34 am: �� | ��� |
Hey, Davie Gordon, how're you, sir!(smile!) Thanks for the welcome back... I owe it all to the auspices of our great moderator, Mr. Ralph Terrana, and my homeslice Mr. Julius Freeman, and their associates... Very powerful men, very powerful!!!(SMILE!)
As to the imensity of Bobby Martin's work, I agree wholeheartedly, Davie... I most admire how he has moved on with his life after music, and never uttered a mumbling word of his greatness... Just the attitude of a man who did his professional duties, got paid, and kept it movin'...
Peace!
Isaiah |
Vonnie (vonnie)
5-Doyen
Username: vonnie
Post Number: 242
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 205.188.116.139
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 7:38 am: �� | ��� |
Welcome home Isaiah,
You were missed ! Your'e correct the singers are given all the props, not those behind the scene who did 99% of the work. Bobby Martin is an arranger par excellance and his body of works are extensive and memorable. His name is at the top of my list of great arrangers. |
Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (weldon)
5-Doyen
Username: weldon
Post Number: 208
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.80.162.3
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 8:49 am: �� | ��� |
I talked to Bobby Martin yesterday, I told him all the nice things you guys are saying about him,here at SD, all he could say was he did not think people still remembered him. here's another photo of the man who did so much for the Philly sound.
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John Barry Sheffield (jaybs)
3-Pundit
Username: jaybs
Post Number: 63
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.92.168.178
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 9:02 am: �� | ��� |
Weldon, what a superb photograph of BOBBY! - keep telling Him that WE will never forget him, the real lovers of music, will never be able to repay the JOY the writers, producers, Sound engineers and Then Artists brought us out of both Philly and Detroit. Big Thanks Bobby!!!
John |
dvdmike (dvdmike)
5-Doyen
Username: dvdmike
Post Number: 253
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.208.234.61
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 9:17 am: �� | ��� |
Bobby finally got in touch with my good friend Tom Tom 84 and they had quite a conversation. Tom said it was great to talk to him. |
Carl Dixon (carl_dixon)
4-Laureate
Username: carl_dixon
Post Number: 75
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 82.44.203.80
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 9:36 am: �� | ��� |
He will always be remembered Weldon, by those who care about their Philly music, just like so many of you.... |
Soul Sister (soul_sister)
6-Zenith
Username: soul_sister
Post Number: 1195
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.43.165.74
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 10:19 am: �� | ��� |
Weldon;
Mr. Martin is looking good and tell him his work is still much appreciated in the hearts of folks who have enjoyed his music over the decades!
S.S. |
Soul Sister (soul_sister)
6-Zenith
Username: soul_sister
Post Number: 1196
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.43.165.74
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 10:25 am: �� | ��� |
Hello Isaiah;
Well, well, well, what a suprise, welcome back, your intellegent posts have been missed by many.
I think you & Miss Suga Brown should go out an celebrate this occasion together (smile)! Have yourselves a ball, yes indeed.
Our mutual friend MM, has been doing some amazing writing lately though not on here.
Good luck the second time around !!
S.S. |
Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 1229
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.236.25.216
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 10:35 am: �� | ��� |
Welcome back Isaiah!
Thanks for recognizing the importance of Bobby Martin and all of his contributions to the world of music.
He was most definitely one of my great musical mentora and a class act.
(Message edited by phillysoulman on August 11, 2004) |
Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 1230
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.236.25.216
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 10:38 am: �� | ��� |
Weldon,
Next time you talk to Bobby please forward my phone number to him and tell him I love him and appreciate all he has done for me and that he was a GREAT teacher and man of wisdom! |
Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 1231
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.236.25.216
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 10:46 am: �� | ��� |
One more thing...
Back in 1970 when the Continental Four whom Bobby produced , hit with Day by day, I went "on the road" with Bobby and the boys and had some fun times doing some nice gigs all along the east coast. |
einnod23 (einnod23)
3-Pundit
Username: einnod23
Post Number: 35
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 208.27.111.121
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 11:15 am: �� | ��� |
There are very few songs in the last 30 years with as much swing as Lou Rawls's "Groovy People". |
bigdaddyg2k4 (bigdaddyg2k4)
3-Pundit
Username: bigdaddyg2k4
Post Number: 58
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 206.157.27.144
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 5:17 pm: �� | ��� |
I have yet to delve into the vast work Bobby Martin has done for the music business for well over 40 years, but the Philly Sound is an excellent place to start in this musical roadmap that he has drawn of the landscape of modern American music in both soul, pop and otherwise. In total respect and admiration to the other excellent arrangers on the PIR staff-such as Classical genius Thom Bell, street-trained workhorse and guitar general Norman Harris, SDF charter member and premier musician Bobby Eli and quiet, effective and criminally overlooked forces Jack Faith, Lenny Pakula, Vince Montana, Dexter Wansel, Richard Rome, Ronnie Baker and Roland Chambers-Bobby Martin should be given all of the credit due for being one of the main contractors of the Philly Sound, for his excellent ability to arrange horns and strings to sonic perfection, precision, attention-to-detail and using his valuble resources (namely MFSB and various artists, in conjunction with Gamble-Huff and other PIR producers and songwriters) to realize his vision of what true quality songs should be made and should sound like. In this era of electronic manipulation, cookie-cutter productions and lack of classically and street trained musicians on hits regularly appearing on the charts, Bobby Martin are among the last of an generation of producers/arrangers who put music FIRST over margin profits and trends. We must hold people like Bobby Martin in high regard and be appreciative of his efforts and achievements; for giving us a virtual escape from today's repetitive, overhyped and less-than-stellar quality of music that is saturating/suffocating the airwaves and television-and a place which we can escape to and enjoy the classic treasures from an era that is called "THE SOUND OF A GENERATION". Much love and respect to Mr. Martin. |
Eli (phillysoulman)
6-Zenith
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 1249
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.236.25.216
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 6:36 pm: �� | ��� |
EXCELLENT post big daddy!!!!
I couldnt have said it any better.
Maybe paulie 3$hoes, but definitely not I(smile) |