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Kev-Lo (7273747576)
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Post Number: 167
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Hi this is Kev-Lo you know some of the best classic soul and R&B came frome various cities all over.In the 60's and 70's cities such as Detroit,Chicago,Memphis,and Philly had the finest classic soul ever.But I would like to take time out to talk about the classic soul and r&b that came out of my home town New York city,N.Y. New York had some of the baddest classic soul acts to hit the seen.

In the 60's we had soul acts like LOU COURTLEY who electrified the seen with his 1967 boogaloo hit SKATE NOW followed by his other hit DO THE THING.

Also in the mid 60's New York had the best Latin-soul acts that took New York by storm.Latin-soul greats like JOE BATAAN,WILLIE COLON,JOHNNY COLON,RAY BARRETTO,JOE CUBA,HECTOR LEVOR,PETE RODRIQUEZ,and RALPHI PAGAN all had people dancing up a storm with the best latin music ever.

In the 70's New York had a mixture of soul and funk.Groups like MAIN INGREDIENT,BLACK IVORY,and CHOCOLATE SYRUP came out with that smooth soul music that made you wanna slow dance with your partner all night long at a house party.

The funky groups that took New York by storm like the group CREATIVE FUNK they had all of the ladies going crazy with their 1972 hit READY MADE FAMILY.

In the mid 70's funk acts like BT EXPRESS and BRASS CONSTUCTION had us New Yorkers jumping and bumping to the beat with all of their party hits. Well SD's that's what I call classic soul acts from New York I know there are some New Yorkers like myself who are on this great forum.So I would like very much if you New York SD's give your input about this topic, also anybody else can give their input as well.
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NY-DELL (dell)
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Post Number: 61
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The Manhattans
The Persuaders
The Persuasions
Ashford & Simpson
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Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Post Number: 1049
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NY-DELL;
The Manhattans & Persuaders are from N.J.

kev-lo;
Wha sup? Let's not forget the unmatched "Little Anthony & The Imperials", "The Jive Five", The Teenagers",
"Tommy Hunt" & "Chuck Jackson" though from Pittsburg made their home in N.Y.C.
"The Chantels", "The Ad-Libs", "The Wrens"," Coasters", "The Cadillacs", "The Mello-Kings", "Dion & The Belmonts", "Johnny Maestro & The Crests/ Brooklyn Bridge", "The Ronettes", and the list goes on & on, but I'm not up to it, lol!!
S.S.
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Kev-Lo (7273747576)
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Post Number: 168
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Hi this is Kev-Lo hey soul sister how are you,yes there were so many New York acts from the big apple.Infact I use to work with a relative of the Jive Five a few years ago.
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Post Number: 386
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Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 12:35 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Soulsister
the Jive Five
and then some
I love the group
with some nice stuff on
Musicor
UA
Decca records

but one I play a lot is
'youre a puzzle/no more tears'
on Musicor no.1270

yet another great group known to us on the uk rare/northern soul scene for many a year........

musicor-mel
the guy who gave the 5 the Jive.......
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Robb_K (robb_k)
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Post Number: 392
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Let's not forget their Beltone work! "What Time Is It?" is one of my all-time favourite records. (and that's out of more than a few hundred thousand songs.)
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Post Number: 880
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Also, My true story and Im a happy man on Beltone!
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Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Post Number: 1051
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Hey Bobby;
Sup Bro!
"I'm A Happy Man" was on United Artists, 'Casey' wrote it in jail upon finding out he was about to be released, at the time 'Sam'(Eugene Pitt) was married to 'KC's" sister Emma.
S.S.
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Post Number: 388
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WHAT ABOUT

HOAGY LANDS....................


mel
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Wonder B (wonder_b)
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Post Number: 604
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Hey Kev-lo thanks for posting this kind of info... In fact I had this pic of Creative Funk for a while in my collection but never had a record by them so thanks for the tip...
Did they record many (certainly not an album or I think I would have heard about it...)?

CF

Wonder B
If you mess with the 'fro, you gotta go!
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Hey Sis, thanks for the info.

Just goes to show you how much I know, eh?
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Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Hey Bro Bobby;
Don't be so modest :-)! You know just about all there is to know!!
S.S.
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Post Number: 397
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WHAT ABOUT

HOAGY LANDS............


mel
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Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo)
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Post Number: 125
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 5:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Folks:
How about these classic soul acts that were NYC-based:
Little Charles & the Sidewinders
Porgy & the Monarchs
The Poets (of "She Blew A Good Thing" fame)
Charlie & Inez Foxx ("Mockingbird", "Count The Days [1-2-3-4-5-6-7])
The Sandpebbles (later known as C & the Shells)
Sweet Inspirations (okay, they were from Newark but Cissy Houston & Company made the Big Apple their professional home)
Midnight Movers Unltd (from Chicago & DC, but the late George "Paco" Patterson and the band made NYC their place of work)

Kevin Goins - KevGo
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Wonder B (wonder_b)
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Midnight Movers are one of my favourites... Their two albums are slammin'!

Wonder B
If you mess with the 'fro, you gotta go!
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Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo)
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Post Number: 127
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Wonder B:
The Midnight Movers' first album "Do It In The Road" was reissued on CD by the Funky Delicacies label under the name "Truckin'". I interviewed George "Paco" Patterson prior to his death for the liner notes.
Kevin Goins - KevGo
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Kev-Lo (7273747576)
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Post Number: 170
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Hi this is Kev-Lo hey wonder B thank's for that picture of Creative Funk I don't know if they had a album but they did have a few singles.Ready Made Family was always my favorite 1972 jam.It reminds me so much of when I started High School
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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WONDER B!!!!!: Thank you man. I've been trying to find a picture of Creative Funk everywhere. Man, that has got to be a rare picture, as their career didn't last too long. As a 12 year-old in '72, Ready Made Family was HUGE in my neighborhood. It hit home with a lot of the ladies in those days.

I do believe that they had a few singles, I couldn't name any of them at present. I was absolutely shocked to learn that Ready Made Family never charted at all!!! I mean, that record was simply huge in NYC. I also wasn't aware that they were from NYC. It only took 32 years to find that out. Thanks for that info Kev Lo :-) If I can find anuymore info on their releases, I'll post it.

Let us not forget Skyy, GQ, Chic, Crown Heights Affair or Larry Blackmon
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Don (don)
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I feel you all are the teachers and I'm only a student. I don't have any info to contribute to this thread, and think NY should deserve be heard and for folk like me being from Chi-Town, on learning from talented and knowledgable people as yourselfs. I'm just a student mind you, and I find it interesitng. Unfortunate I who have nothing to contribute I'm at a disadvantage here. Why I always late on certain thread that pop up is because I'll have to think on things by memory at times and not right away friends, friends.
Though I too loved the doowop, rock 'n roll, soul & pop that has come from the NY/NJ areas, to it's commerical posh, puff & pluff designed recordings (to my favorite of all) and the raw nitty gritty uotempo-midtempo dance and ballad/tourh songs. This is still a vibrant thread of interest, you are always stars.
Don
Chgo
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Regards
Johnny Maestro who recorded on Parkway
'heartburn'
was in its day a ery rare 45 on the uk all-nighter scene many years ago.



mel
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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Post Number: 74
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KevLo, please get the man's name right: it's Lou COURTNEY, not Courtley!

It should be noted that he also was a very prolific writer of soul tunes (many Northern things) under his real name, Louis Pegues II. His co-writer on most of his compositions was Dennis Lambert, better known for co-writing a number of hits for the Grass Roots with his later partner, Brian Potter.

Best,

Mark
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Post Number: 419
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So many acts to choose from
how about......

Elmore James in New York
around 1962
working with Bobby Robinson
for good blues on the Enjoy Logo.



more blues
from the big apple
1961 gem by Betty James for Cee-Jay no.583

or a
1960's cut on Arock no.1012
by Tutti Hill
nice double-header with a uptempo/mid-tempo
track.

Fiestas on Old Town
or how about the Fidelitys on SIR Records.....



mel-new york in the dark.
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Don (don)
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Mel, I know this sounds meaningless, but wasn't SIR a Sam Cooke run label?. I recall seeing some disc on the Valentinos and The Late Johnny Taylor and others who's name I can't recall right now.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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It was SAR Records.

It stood for Sam/Alexander(JW) Records
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Sar records well known to me
with 45s from years ago

SIR is a totally different Label.

How about these......

Troy Records-the premiers
RIK Records-freddie north
Tarx Records-strands
Coral Records-patti austin
Rotate Records-big dee Irwin
Merrimac Records-billy prophet
Dial Records-paul kelly+the rockateers
etc etc etc

mel
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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and HOAGY LANDS....

With
recordings from
1961 with MGM
1962 MGM etc
also with abc-paramount '62
'63 with atlantic
all recorded in the large apple
and 1966 at the allegro studios with Laurie
up to 1971 with Spectrum records
to 1976 with a recording also cut for Paramount in 1974 but all in N/York.

working with greats as
teacho wilshire
bert berns
Robert Banks
x-Halos bass singer etc,etc Carl Spencer

backed by
Della'dee dee'Warwick
Emily'cissy'Houston
Sylia Shemwell and Estelle Brown
amongst others.

as well as all this top top team with him in New York oer the years
HOAGY himself was a fantasticly sung artist.

say no more..........

mel-next-in-line.

ps
was the JUDY Label
a New York record Label???

as hoagy recorded on it in 1960.
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Phil (phil)
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Don, if you want to hear some of the best SAR recordings, there's a great 2CD's box set : "Sam Cooke's Sar Records Story", including a beautiful 80 pgs booklet.
It has songs by the Soul Stirrers, Valentinos, Johnnie Morisette, Johnny Taylor, and more, 67 tracks in all !!!
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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Freddie North on RIC...I believe that came out of Nashville. RIC was more of a country label, and the records by North and Rosey Grier were exceptions to the rule.

Best,

Mark
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Post Number: 425
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Had an office at
801 16th Ae,So,
Nashille,Tenn.

plus at
295 Madison Ae.
New York,N.Y.

christ
wont bother everyones on my case
f... ya all
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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JJ Jackson

Insiders(pre Main Ingredient)

JR Bailey

Robert Mosely

Maxine Brown

Baby Washington
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Kev-Lo (7273747576)
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Post Number: 176
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Hi this is Kev-Lo Hey Mark Speck excuse me for spelling Lou Courtney's name wrong we all make mistakes sometimes you know what I mean. And as far as him being a prolific writer yes I do acknowledge that as well,that's why when we write threads on here and we talk about artists,we may not give eveything in full detail and that's why the rest of us can put their input in it okay
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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No problem, Kev...and you can just call me Mark, OK?

Best,

Mark

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