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  Kev-Lo (7273747576) 4-Laureate Username: 7273747576 Post Number: 163 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.236.117.118 |
Hi this is Kev-Lo you know two of the most electrifying and powerful soul pioneer of our time had to be THE GODFATHER OF SOUL JAMES BROWN and the LATE GREAT IMMORTAL JACKIE WILSON.These two icons made some of the greatest music ever and filled our hearts with joy and soul.They both lit the stage up when they gave shows.And were two of the finest dancers.They both were great in their way and both had the same style.But what I would to know is who of the two do you SD's think was better | ||
Rodmann (rodmann) 5-Doyen Username: rodmann Post Number: 305 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.221.46.59 |
I personally like James Brown much, much better but I'm sure that Jackie Wilson is the favorite around here. He's got the home court advantage!  | ||
Walt B (walt_b) 2-Debutant Username: walt_b Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 149.174.164.84 |
That is like comparing apples and oranges. Although both were boxers each had a style of their own. Jackie was known as Mr. Excitement and had an electrying show filled with extraordinary choreography which included flips, leaps and splits. he also exhibited an operatic ranged voice. In some ways he was the blueprint from which a lot of Elvis Presley's peronna was derived. James also was known for his original choreography but he was known as much as a bandleader with the tightest rhythm section in the business. He was as much an orignator in several genres of soul and funk music. In summation anyone who had the chance to experience either of them at the peak of their skills would probably agree that BOTH were beyond compare. | ||
Spyder Turner (spyder_turner) 3-Pundit Username: spyder_turner Post Number: 47 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 69.241.245.245 |
JACKIE WAS THE BETTER SINGER AND JAMES IS THE BETTER SHOWMAN, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION AS FAR AS SINGING, THERE ARE VERY FEW WHO COME CLOSE TO JACKIE'S VOCALS AND FEW WHO CAN COME CLOSE TO JAMES SHOWMANSHIP | ||
NY-DELL (dell) 3-Pundit Username: dell Post Number: 55 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 38.117.188.10 |
I can't see them being anything alike(except the hair)....production wise Brown got it Vocally it's jackie all the way...Dancing James explosive....Jackie smooth, suave...Music, James explosive, provacative, Jackie, a true crooner...even though I wouldn't mine hearing Jackie do "Please, Please, Please" and "It's a Man's world"......But I'd never want to hear Brown do "Oh Danny boy" or "Lonely Teardrops" | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1482 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Jackie was great, a terrific dancer, outrageous singer, but suffered from too much schlocky music & over blown production. If you listen to mhis Live Copa LP, you'll hear his WORST performance ever!!! It was too Pop, too much fluff & not enough of the REAL Jackie. That LP was way beneath his talent & in my opinion a waste of time. I got this LP & was totally disappointed & disgusted with it. If anyone would like to take this horror off my my hands, let me know. I'll even throw in a Osmond 45. Absolutely horrible. On the other hand, James never had any crossover aspirations. James brought the Soul/Funk, the whole Soul/Funk & nothing but the Soul/Funk. James never gave schizophrenic performances, what you saw what what you got with James. He never stopped moving & that band was phenomenal live. That is the biggest difference between Jackie & James, the production. Jackie could be prone to melodramatic moments & that damn syrupy background singing! James' band just kicked major ass & the energy level at a James Brown show was ridiculous. Not to mention that he maintained his live excellence for a much longer period than Jackie did. Jackie kinda fell off after 1963 & didn't really hit with the same impact until 1967 with Higher & Higher. James didn't fall off until the mid to late 70s & he was performing constantly in those days. Jackie didn't perform nearly as much as James did. Plus, you never felt cheated after seeing a James Brown show. James gave you your money's worth & then some more! For sheer longevity, musical quality & excitement, James wins this one. Given better music selection, arrangement, material & management, it would have been a draw! Doubtless Jackie was a much greater singer, it's not even close. I saw them both, gotta go with James. However, though the ladies loved both of them, I believe that the ladies found Jackie infinitely more sexier than they did James. As we know, James didn't fare too badly in that department at all! My choice: James & his revue by a decision!! DING DING!!! | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 843 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.20.145 |
I agree with the fact that Elvis "borrowed" Jackie's schtick, schlocky songs and all and ran with it. As far as James and Jackie go, I have seen both many times and I loved them both the same. | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 5-Doyen Username: tony_russi Post Number: 191 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.18.50.165 |
I would agree with Spyder. As far as I'm concerne there has never been and never will be an entertainer in rock,soul whatever to compare to JAMES BROWN especially from the early 60's to the mid 70's his show was the most exciting.The Ike & Tina Turner Revue was the only live show I've ever seen that came close to the excitement of The James Brown Show Live. During their hey day, both of those Shows were better LIVE than on record. | ||
dvdmike (dvdmike) 5-Doyen Username: dvdmike Post Number: 226 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.208.234.61 |
L.C. Cook said that James Brown told him that if could sing half as good as Sam Cooke that he would stop dancing. There had been speculation that JB was somewhat influenced by Jackie, but in his autobiography, JB denied it. "I didn't get nothin' from Jackie Wilson" was his quote. | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 4-Laureate Username: randy_russi Post Number: 126 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
Jackie Wilson was Mr. Excitement and, of course, James Brown was Mr. Dynamite. Both shows were extremely good. I'd say Jackie was a little more classy in performance. | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 128 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.33.151.141 |
Folks: What the hell! This is like comparing apples to oranges!!! I agree with what has been said by a few - Jackie was "Mr. Excitement" and James was "Mr. Dynamite" (among other titles!) and consider both talents as equals. As far as the "Jackie Wilson At The Copa" album is concerned, please keep in mind that the Copa audience at that time (1963)was a highly sophisticated group of folks who liked to hear Broadway tunes and the "standards" from the pens of Cole Porter and the Gerswhin Brothers. There was no way Jackie could have gone into the Copa doing the type of show he would've given to audiences at the Brooklyn Fox or Harlem's Apollo (which were two of THE places to catch Jackie doing his thing). Jackie had to perform and adjust his show for the Copa audience accordingly. The only tune on the Copa live disc where Jackie "burns rubber" is "Lonely Teardrops". BTW - I already have the Osmonds' "One Bad Apple" and "Double Lovin'" but thanks for the offer! Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 893 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.22.60 |
Hi Kev Go!! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1523 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Kev!!!! I hear what you're saying & I do understand your point. I saw Jackie at The Brevoort Theater & James at The Albee. In his time, Jackie was definitely great, as was James. I just think that James maintained a consistent level of excellence for a much longer period than Jackie did. On sheer longevity, his band & music, I have to go with James. He maintained his LIVE excellence from '58 or '59 to at least 1978. Jackie simply didn't have the longevity or band that James had. Not to mention that hard hitting funk. It's no knock on Jackie, they were just coming from a different place musically. It must also be taken into consideration that James had damn near total control of his music & his touring. James was his own boss, whereas Jackie was beholden to the whim of......well, I'm sure that you know what I mean. You know far better than I. James was better able to remain true to HIS vision & music. I'm sure that at some point, Jackie would have loved to have those Naaaasty Funk Brothers behind him on a regular basis. Unfortunately, Jackie simply didn't have that kind of control & I think that he kinda suffered due to that. When you listen to what WAS & imagine what COULD have been, I think that we could say that Jackie could have given us so much more.....if only he had been allowed to do so. | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1057 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
I agree with Kev-Go, but if I have to commit I agree with Spyder's analogy. JACKIE-Better voice & vocal range. Great acrobatic stage routine. Plus was suave & sexy. JAMES-Better/fuller show because of his whole long routine in the wee wee hours, etc..and overall big revue stage show. I loved JB sliding across the stage as if on ice, he was fly. BOTH Jack & JB dressed well, were always sharp & appealing. Like Kev-Go said like comparing apples with oranges...different styles Jack more urban, JB more down home, totaly different voices, yet both fantastic in their own right, both had their own kind of special charisma. Personality wise Jack was a much more compassionate, sweeter person, more rational for sure!! Business wise being a tight tyrant JB was a slicker business & promotion man, being tough brought him alot further in many ways than Jack. Ray Charles is the only other business wise artist "to that extent" that comes to mind. I think JB's & RC's background had alot to do with that hunger & control thing in business, whereas Jack didn't feel that kind of desperate urge to watch & control everything. I love them both but earwise I listen to Jackie far far more! Visual wise 'back in the day' I love JB's live stage show! I love Jack's stage presence too but for different reasons. Ya' dig? S.S. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1530 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hello all!! Soul Sister, I figured that you'd say that It's one heck of a choice to have to make. Either way, you sure got your money's worth & as Mel would say.....AND THEN SOME!!! | ||
BJL (bjl) 3-Pundit Username: bjl Post Number: 33 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 62.253.64.7 |
I hate the idea of saying rhat one singer/entertainer is "better" than another - it's all personal. Is Shirley Brown (or Laura Lee or Candi Staton or Gladys Knight) "better" than Diana Ross because I like her more? No, I just like her (them) more! However, my objective (I hope) "scorecard" - Voice (technically): Jackie? Voice (emotionally): James Songwriter: James Dancer: James Band: James More "classy": Jackie More "soulful": James More longevity: James Most commercially successful: James Most exciting performer: James Most influential (musically and socially): JAMES But then, I'm biased! I believe that JB is one of the greatest and most under-rated (really!) performers of the 20th century. However, who knows how/where Jackie could have headed with better (honest) management and more control over his career? (Message edited by bjl on July 30, 2004) | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 397 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.137.72 |
I agree with Spyder. They were both great at what they did. I like Jackie a little better as a singer, but / wouldn't want to have to choose just one. | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 463 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.52.77 |
No comparisons here both Great Artist. Don | ||
fayette (msshonuff4u) 2-Debutant Username: msshonuff4u Post Number: 30 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPARE THOSE TWO. JAMES BROWN IS FUNKY AND JACKIE WAS SMOOTH. | ||
Rick (bassik4) 2-Debutant Username: bassik4 Post Number: 16 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 68.162.110.99 |
Hey Y'all, I somewhat agree with Spyder. Jackie had the voice But James had SOUL! Not to mention James Brown took R&B to a whole new level. Elvis tried to copy Jackie while Mick Jagger tried to copy James Brown at one time.Not to mention more artists tried to "emulate" James Brown (Prince,Terrance Trent D'arby,etc.) But the botton line, comparing these two IS like comparing apples and oranges because their styles are so different. | ||
Rhythm & Blues Showcase (rb_showcase) 2-Debutant Username: rb_showcase Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.175.159.180 |
Both artsits are very different. I think James Brown clearly has the advantage because he is a Funk creater pioneer an originater. Pure soul and emotion. Jackie is a great singer and performer. James is much more. James Brown is more of a persona and an icon. (Like: Elvis, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Prince)I got James on this one! | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1384 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
R&B Showcase; Today yes, Jackie is all but forgotten...but let me tell you in the 60's both were great, both were big, and at that time Jackie had the edge over JB, believe me, James' name hadn't gotten quite as big until the funk era, which for me personally was the end of his best era!! S.S. | ||
Rhythm & Blues Showcase (rb_showcase) 2-Debutant Username: rb_showcase Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.175.159.180 |
"The Whispers Gettin' Louder" !!! | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1385 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
and "Higher and Higher" too!! | ||
Kev-Lo (7273747576) 5-Doyen Username: 7273747576 Post Number: 210 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.236.213.223 |
Hi this is Kev-Lo I'm with you soul sister and let's not forget that Jackie also had it going on in the 50's with the Domino's so you go girl That's Why I l Love You So smile. | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1391 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
Hi kev-lo; Yea, like "Little Things Mean Alot" with The Dominoes!! Jackie was the man who talked the talk and walked the walk!! JB was the boss who slid across the stage gettin' down doing the James Brown!! Have a soulful week-end. S.S. | ||
marilyn (marilyn) 2-Debutant Username: marilyn Post Number: 19 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 209.142.136.38 |
Jackie Wilson all the way!...I simply like his range & style much more so than James'. | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1392 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
Hey Marilyn; You go girl!! S.S. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1999 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
There's no doubt that Jackie had one hell of a voice & his range was ridiculous. Only Jackie could take a song like Danny Boy & turn it into a virtuoso performance. Jackie was just incredible on that song & in my opinion, that is his greatest recording performance ever. I'm a man & his performance on that song gives ME chill bumps. His voice soars majestically on that song & if it weren't for the fact that it was an Irish folk song, many more people would acknowledge it as a truly trandescent performance. It is arguably the greatest performance that I've ever heard! | ||
isaiah imani (isaiah) 3-Pundit Username: isaiah Post Number: 57 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Juice, what's happenin', brother! The other night, like from outta somebody's ride stereo, I heard Soul Power, and James saying, "ya got ta git down, down, down, down, down!" That's James for me, right all up in that phrase, and that's the essence of Soul Music... Jackie??? Never heard him do anything quite like that, but I'm clear that he could've with the right producer's... The cut, You Got Me Walking, with Eugene Record, was an indication for me that Jackie had it, but was not forceful enough to demand that sort of attention from his record company... He simply went with the flow, and didn't make no noise about nothing... James was the antithesis of that, and that's why he was called the Godfather(smile!) This is what separates the two performers, their self-concept... Jackie saw himself as a performer, with others in control, and James saw himself as a man who wanted to control his art and destiny at all costs... So, while one man was able to move forward in his career, and even create a new-old concept in music, the other languished under the control of others, and never realized his full potential... Peace! Isaiah | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1393 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
Morning Juice; That description was right-on! Jackie singing "Danny Boy" gave you chill bumps, well it always never failed to make me cry!! Jackie used his full vocal range on that song going up and down the scales in amazing phrasing, if that failed to touch someone's heart in the audience well then as we use to say back in the day "they had a hole in their soul!" "Danny Boy" is my most favorite of all the many great Jackie songs, in fact, it was also Jackie's own personal favorite too!! Hi Isaiah; I can't argue with what you said as that too was truly right-on! It's sad Jackie got so tied up and held to his record label because of mob tactics. Jackie was never as hungry as James when he started out so perhaps lacked the ambition and drive James had to control his own destiny. I'm sure he's leading the choir now! BTW, Zeke, I posted those Jive Five photos just for you . S.S. | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1394 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
Re-visiting one of the greatest vocalist of our time! JACK LEROY WILSON, JR. a.k.a. "Sonny"/"Jackie"/"Mr. Excitement":  | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1395 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
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Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1396 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
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Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1397 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
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Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1398 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
"JB" re-visited, JAMES JOE BROWN a.k.a James Brown/"Soul Brother #1"/"The hardest working man in show business"/"Mr. Dynamite":  | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1399 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
"Soul Sister & James" May 1967:  | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 1400 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.74 |
"James & Soul Sister" 32 years later! June 1999:  | ||
marilyn (marilyn) 2-Debutant Username: marilyn Post Number: 22 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 147.174.245.93 |
Great photos, Soul Sister |
