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REESE (mah)
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Hey all, does anyone know about the fact that there are two groups of Delfonics? One is headed by William Hart and the other is headed by Wilbert Hart. Who if anyone, has seen both groups perform and what did you think?
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Treble Clef (treble_clef)
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Reese...It has been that way for years...Sometimes it is 3 cause William Hart has another set to monopolize work for him and he will send Major Harris and 2 other guys out as the Delfonics say to California so that he can do a show somewhere close to Philly with his 2 guys John Johnson and Garfield Fleming. I have not seen the 2 guys Wilbert has now as he was using Eban Brown (who replaced Russell Thompkins in the Stylistics or who that group had replace Russell) to sing William's falsetto leads. Randy Cain no longer tours with either group.
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Bong-Man (bongman)
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Which Delfonics group released the recent cd with the Chi-Lies ?...Where they re-recorded their hits ? Doesn't sound like the original lead to me...but no liner notes. :-(
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Bong-Man (bongman)
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I'm a Debutant Now...??? That sounds like something from a science-fiction movie.

Nah....**Just Passin' thru**
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REESE (mah)
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Treble Clef, you are right, William is trying to monopolize the market with his groups. You have to check out Wil's group. They sound great and you will never hear them singing a Temptations song (no disrespect to the Temps). The Delfonics have too many hits to be on stage singing someone elses hits.
Bong Man, The Group that you heard singing with the Chi-Lites was infact William Hart's version of the Delfonics. If you think that sounded bad or as you stated "not like the original lead", you should check out one of Williams shows.
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Don (don)
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Reese, I only seen the Delfonics w/ William Hart and I was impressed. They sounded just like the Delfonics of ole. Bong-Man, it's William Hart's group that's released a new CD about a year or so ago. It's nice hearing from you both again. Glad your back on board here at SD.
Don
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Don (don)
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I forgot to add that Marshall Thompson has a new CD out on his own. I do remember the Chi-Lites releasing a CD out a couple of his own.
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NY-DELL (dell)
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I also saw them last year and then went out and bought the 3 volume set of 70's Soul Jam, with The Stylistics, Delfonics, Dramatics, Major Harris, Cuba Gooding, Chilites and Harold Melvin's Blue Notes...I was impressed watching them live I must say...but when I got a chance to study the DVD I saw that my assessment was wrong. William didn't have it.... they were very entertaining but that's about it (but hearing the songs did make me feel good)...and Mr. Fleming...David Ruffin's "Lil Brother" (so they say) very talented guy...but trys to shine much too much for my taste. I came to the conclusion that when you see these shows live it brings back a lot of memories and you get caught in the moment and don't really see and hear things for what they really are. If you get the chance pick up the 3 DVD set and check it out, you'll enjoy it, but after seeing it 2-3 times you'll come to your own conclusion, it's worth the $29.99
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Don (don)
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NY-Dell, I don't have the live DVD so I can't comment. 2-3 yrs ago when I saw the Delfonics (along with artist who are mentioned in this discussion) William and his guys we're in rare form, and never missed a beat. Standing room only from start to finish. It was 2 nite shows. William Hart and his guys along with the other groups got such a big response, that wanted to sing all damn nite due to time restrictions- all the groups seemed to be pissed.
Don
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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NY Dell,

Garfield is as much related to David Ruffin as I am to the Pope.

What happens on these shows is that some of the acts try to hard to do "extra stuff" on their songs such as ridiculous "reggae versions" and over the topnot needed runs instead of just singing the songs as their fans remember them.
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Ralph Terrana (ralph)
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Yeah Bong Man...Where you been hiding??
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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NY Dell,

That was one of the most correct statements that I've seen in awhile. Many times folks hear with their hearts & memories instead of their ears. I'm a fan of many, but am honest enough to admit it when they've lost it. There's no shame in that, I still admire them for their body of work. I just hate it when folks are too blinded to be subjective & honest about their favorite star(s).

Bobby, that is so true. Sometimes, a driving song becomes a slow smoldering ballad during these affairs. Of recent vintage, only The Commodores on the last PBS special pulled off such a feat. Their revamping of Brickhouse actually added some drive & fire. Clyde was jamming. Unfortunately, that's the exception, rather than the rule these days.
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Don (don)
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No Bobby, it wasn't like that at all. But I do understand where ya comin' from man, though it wasn't that way. See playing at The Starr Plaza in Merriville Indiana just a hop & a skip from Gary has a time restriction for concerts that really sucks. If a promoter and his people wants to do 2 shows there then why not try 7PM so that both shows'll be on the level instead of 8PM. I feel that don't just book all groups ans squeeze 'em in there, and make the money and hat out? These folks wanted screamed encore after encore. Take it from me, even those who are in the position of booking shows that heads out to The Starr Plaza that maybe logs onto SD, should take my friendly advice to heart. One thing I'll say about those folks out there is their loyal and will pay their hard earned money to comes to The Plaza. This is just my humble opinion.
Don
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Don (don)
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Bobby & Juice, I disagree. On record is one thing live is totally different. You have to adlib and entertain a little bit, I agree when it get's just a bit carried away. When some acts try look stupid and mess up when winding down adlibbing the last chorus and off key (The Intruders sounded much mature as to their records and concerts back in the day) as a pose to other's are great at their craft. I mean what is a group or singer is suppose to do in the meantime in between their, set look at their shoes and not speak? I mean like with MILES that was the legend, the myth, the mystic and mystery about him we all love and was intrigued with, and got away with. Fellas got to do something nite after nite, without getting burned out and walking off in the middle of their set, you know? I think it is contrary to say. I pick live music as compared to record any ol time. Which came first the record or the live show, well maybe or visa versa, I love live music.
Don
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Bong-Man (bongman)
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Yeah Bong Man...Where you been hiding??

I pass through everyday. I enjoy reading all the threads, and I've learned a lot from the people who hang out here...I just don't have a heck of a lot to contribute. My soul experience begins with Motown and late 60's early 70's stuff...most of you go way way back.
I'm heading on a musical journey next week to Memphis. Going to Sun Studios, Stax, BB King's, Gibson Guitar Co., Delta Blues Museum in Clarksdale...I'm really looking forward to it. I'll report back...

**Just Passin' Thru**
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Not for nothing but a certain person does not need to put on a stupid "rasta wig" and sing Didnt I...in a quasi Jamaican accent.


No no no no NO!!!
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Treble Clef (treble_clef)
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Eli...I have seen that wig and show for many years now as I'm sure you have first hand and up close. It was funny for a minute but then it turned out to not be good for a such a beautiful song...Do you still work with them or Major at all?
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NY-DELL (dell)
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Don:
I agree that live is different and we must be entertained....but....entertai n me musically....if I want to see clowns I'll go to the circus....yes adlib, I feel that, talk to the crowd, joke. But to go that far over the top is sad "Didn't I blow your mind" is a very beautiful song it brings back memories to many people including myself, I may be going to far with this next statement but those antics are not fair to the memories that people associate with that song.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Treble Clef,

I talk to and see Poogie from time to time.
I heard from major on my birthday which was March 2nd, and it was quite a pleasant birthday surprise.

I truly believe that under the right circumstances, those acts still have a few more hits left in them.

NY-Dell,
Yes, most fans of classic soul WOULD rather hear their favorite songs just as they remember them to be during their youth..sans dreadlocks!!
maybe a little bagel and lox after the show, eh??
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dvdmike (dvdmike)
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Bobby, didn't you play the sitar on "Didn't I (Blow Your Mind This Time") and all the other Delfonics' stuff?
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Yep..and the Stylistics too.
I also played all the backbeats.
I usually overdubbed one of the other, usually the sitar.
It would be quite a feat if I could play those parts all at the same time!!
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dvdmike (dvdmike)
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Bobby, are you in Philly or NYC right now? If you're in Philly, I'll give you a call this weekend.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Im in Philly, Mike.
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larry strong (larry_strong)
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eli go to www.larry-strong.com to see a stylistics website. I am a stylistics and blue magic fan since there start in the 70S. There is a video on the site with russell thompkins jr leading on the song you make me feel brand new .Its from uk tv. JUST A FAN
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Don (don)
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Once I viewed another PBS Special of yet another airing of a live show this time host Jimmie "J.J." Walker. I don't hear too many folks on here mention this particular show. I want to ask does anyone here remember seeing it.
Don
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Don (don)
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Bobby, The Starr Plaza concerts there can begin at
either 7pm or 8 and ends at 12am. Yes, there has been a handful of shows at 7 unless there's 2 acts. But, but, when you get a bunch of groups from an 2 show from 8-12-well? No one mentioned about Harold Melvin's Blue Notes w/ Sharon Paige and The Persuations. I think the new guy singing Teddy Pendergrass' lead songs does a one good great and excellent job, E. I hope Ralph can find my post I lost to my tribute to Philly & PIR & MFSB. I DO THANK YOU.
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REESE (mah)
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Hey all. I think messing up Didn't I with the rap and Jamaican voices is wrong. But when you have lost it, you have to do stuff like that to shift the focus from your voice or voices to the entertainment side. I have seen Wilbert Hart's show and his group sings all the classic hits and they sing them well. If you have not heard or seen them, it is most likely due to William Hart calling promoters telling them that he will sew them if they use Wil's group. What a thing to do to your own brother, right. Anyway, you will see Wil's group soon, a National Tour is being scheduled as I type. Wilbert goes out as Wil Hart Formerly of the Delfonics. He must say Formerly of or William, his blood brother will sew the promoter. Does anyone esle have any info on the two groups and all the legal stuff?
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NY-DELL (dell)
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Reese:
When you don't have it anymore, comedy won't shift the focus it just makes you notice it more.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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That feud thing is a disgrace.

The last time I saw William talk to Wilbur was after their moms funeral at the cemetary.

All the original members are still with us, so they should bury the hatchet, bag the comedy and get back to what their fans remember them for.
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1wicked (1wicked)
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In the meantime,ELI, howzabout you getting William in the studio to re-record "Follow Every Dream" + 10-12 Friday's Child gems ??
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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That would be nice if certain people werent died in the wool capricorns, capice??@#$%^&*(
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1wicked (1wicked)
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Being a Capricorn myself...well actually a "Capritarrius" or a "Saggicorn"...I haven't a clue as to what you could mean, sir. (LMAO)
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Thing is, "some" Capricorns especially those of the male variety have a "stubborn streak", some more pronounced than others depending on the decant in which their natal day falls.

So, having said that you can draw your own conclusions.
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REESE (mah)
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Yeah Eli, I hear you on the Capricorn thing! Wm is definately stubborn and very selfish. That is what the feud is all about. For the same reasons why you won't go into the studio and record with Wm is the same reason why the Original Members can't be together. Wilbert, also likes his live performance to sound just like the hits. Wm, as anyone who has heard him lately should know, has lost his voice. God seems to hit us where it really hurts when we do people wrong. Yeah, Wm has a lot money but is strange how he can't sing any more. That has to hurt him to the core. Wilbert and Randy are in a Court battle with Wm and Arista Records trying to get their royalty money sent directly to them. Wm is currently getting all the royalty money sent directly to him and he refuses to send Wilbert and Randy their shares of the money. But that is another story!
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Reese, are you from Philly?
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REESE (mah)
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Eli, Yes I am from Philly.
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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Dear Reese and Eli
you guys hit the nail on the head...i witnessed Wilbert Hart formerly Delfonics show..it was so classic soul...grammy award performance...world must see show...it was off the hook in St Louis at the limelight...the owners came out and congratulated wilbert for his great show and wilbert dedicated the show to the owners and wished them a happy anniversary...He is still my favorite delfonic...Wilbert never complain about his brother's behavior..he just smiled and said that's my brother...that's poo...he will never change...he has a problem and it is called greed.
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What is being said here is very interesting. I've only read Williams side of the story, as most stories focus on him as the lead singer of note. I've yet to see any stories written from Randy, Major or Wilberts' perspective. All that I can say is that it is a crying shame.

And I agree that Follow Every Dream from The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh soundtrack is a most beautiful & underrated cut. From the first time that I heard in back in '79, it has found its way onto my slow jam tapes. It is too underated a song & deserves more exposure!!!
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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HEY WHAT'S UP FELLOW FONIC FANS THIS IS A GOOD THING HEARING YOUR VIEWS...HOW BOUT TRYING TO STOP THE MADNESS...TELL WILLIAM TO TREAT HIS BROTHER AND RANDY RIGHT...THERE WAS THREE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE TEAM...NOT ONE...THERE WAS THE PHILLY SOUND ORCHESTRA WITH THOM BELL NORMAN HARRIS BOBBY ELI TONY BELL SUGA BEAR FORMAN FAT LARRY AND THE GANG WHAT'S UP PHILLY REMEMBER THE WAY IT REALLY WAS...
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hey Deeka,

Welcome aboard! I'm feeling you on that. Sometimes it makes you wonder just where it all went wrong. I hope that one day they'll work it all out. Life's just too damn short!
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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SOUL PATROL CONVENTION COMING TO WILLINGBORO NJ HEY YOU GOING TO JERSEY REESE AND ELI I HEAR EDDIE HOLMAN AND CHILITES FIVE STAIR STEPS AND DUKE OF EARL AND BARBARA MASON WILL BE ON THE SCENE WITH WIL HART FORMERLY DELFONICS ON JULY 30 AND JULY 31...PEOPLE COMING FROM LA, CHI TOWN, NY PHILLY EVERYWHERE TO THE SOUL PATROL CONVENTION I WILL BE ON VACATION IN VEGAS, BUT I HAVE MY TEAM OF PHILLY FANS COMING TO REPORT BACK..I THINK SOUL PATROL IS A GOOD THING...HOW BOUT YOU ELI AND REESE AND DON WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT JUICE
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hey Deeka,

I want to check out that convention & have discussed doing so. However, I work for the USPS & this is prime vacation time. They've been acting real funny with us lately, so that may be a tough go for me as I work weekends. I'm still trying to iron that out. If possible, I will be there.
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REESE (mah)
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Heyt all, Reese here! That Soul Patrol thing sounds good. I hope it's a good turn-out. I just can't beleive how many of the groups from the 70's have broken up. Look at the Stylistics. Russell is back however not with the original guys. There are two groups of Stylistics, two groups of Manhattans, two groups of Platters, Two groups of Temptations, Two groups of Delfonics and more. The nature of the business and greed is behind all of this. I know first hand about the delfonics situation and little about the Stylistics situation. With the Delfonics, William Hart is the problem. He really destroyed the group with his greed and selfishness. Anyone who knows him on a personal level will agree. His brother Wilbert is trying hard to revitalize the groups image. The sound is key. Some people say that they just want to see the original but if the sound is not there, how long could that last. I don't know, what do you all think?
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MAN THAT CONVENTION STARTED OFF GREAT..THE FIRST DAY WAS A HIT...I HEAR MANDRILL TOOK THE SHOW...TOMORROW IT WILL BE WIL HART FORMERLY DELFONICS GENE CHANDLER CHILITES BARBARA MASON I CANCELLED MY TRIP TO VEGAS FOR ONE MORE DAY..I HAVE TO GO BACK TO WILLINGBORO, NJ TOMORROW TO SEE THE BIG SHOW AT THE KENNEDY CENTER.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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I was gonna go but some other things popped up.
Maybe next time!
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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HEY MAN WHAT HAPPENED TO EBAN BROWN..DIDNT HE SING WITH THE DELFONICS THEN THE STYLISTICS..WHAT RUSSELL CAME BACK AND TOOK HIS SPOT WHAT IS GOING ON...I HEAR RUSSELL HAS HIS OWN SET OF STYLISTICS..WHAT IS THE OTHER GUYS THINKING ABOUT THAT MOVE...PROMOTERS BOOKKING RUSSELL THOMPKINS AND THE NEW STYLISTICS...HOW ABOUT THAT REESE AND ELI...WHY NOT BOOK WIL HART AND THE NEW FONICS...WHAT S UP WITH THAT PROMOTERS....HOW ABOUT DENNIS EDWARDS AND THE NEW TEMPTATIONS...WHAT ABOUT THAT POO...AINT NO STOPPING US NOW...WE RE ON THE MOVE WITH A GROOVE HIS WHAT WILBERT HART FORMERLY DELFONICS IS SAYING...CATCH THE DRIFT PROMOTERS...THE FONIC ZONE IS COMING ON STRONG WITH WILBERT HART...CATCH THAT RIDE PROMOTERS...I HEAR IT S THE NEXT BEST THING TO A GREAT GRAMMY AWARD WINNING SHOW...TEAM UP WILBERT HART AND THE NEW DELFONICS WITH RUSSELL THOMPKINS AND THE NEW STYLISTICS...LISTENING PROMOTERS...A BIG TICKET GREAT SHOW...HOW BOUT IT..
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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HEY ELI
COME ON OUT TO WILLINGBORO TOMORROW NIGHT MAN I WOULD LOVE TO MEET A LEGEND...A GUY THAT PLAYED BEHIND ALL THE HITS OUTA PHILLY....DREAM COME TRUE...REESE HOW BOUT IT YOU COMING OUT TO WILLINGBORO, NJ TOMORROW...I CANCELLED MY TRIP I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE THE SOUL PATROL SHOW
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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"Why cant we all just get along"!!---R. King
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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GET ALONG WITH WHO...THE DEVIL...NOBODY WANTS TO GET ALONG WITH THE DEVIL...DO YOU...GET ALONG WITH WHO YOU TALKING BOUT...GIVE ME A HINT...DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR RESPONSE TO COMING OUT TO A GREAT SHOW...
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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I am referring to the groups who are split into seperate factions.
They should "just get along" and regroup as they once were , for the sake of their fans.
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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ELI
THREE DOG NITE...SAID SOMETHINGS JUST CANNOT GO BACK...ESPECIALLY IF THE SOUND IS NOT THERE...SINGING ON THE RIGHT KEY...IS VERY IMPORTANT...DON'T YOU AGREE...A GROUP CAN GO BACK TOGETHER IF THEY SOUND THE SAME AS THE RECORD AND BE AS BIG A HIT AS THE FIRST TIME IF ALL THE MEMBERS COULD STILL SING IN HARMONY DON'T YOU AGREE...IF SOMEONE WAS STEALING YOUR ROYALTIES WOULD YOU WANT TO GET ON STAGE AND PERFORM WITH THEM KNOWING THEY ARE STEALING AND HAVE STOLE ALL YOUR ROYALTIES...AND STILL DOING SO...IF YOU WANT TO RIGHT THE WRONG TELL WILLIAM TO PAY HIS BROTHER WILBERT AND HIS COLLEAGUE RANDY CAIN...I HEAR RANDY HAD TO BORROW MONEY FROM STAN LATHAN TO GET HIS TEETH PUT IN HIS MOUTH...WHILE WILLIAM POOGIE HART STOLE HIS ROYALTIES KNOWING RANDY NEEDED A PLACE TO LIVE AND HIS TEETH DONE...WHAT KIND OF BROTHER IS THAT...GET ALONG WITH WHO THE DEVIL HIMSELF...NO THANKS IS WHAT I SAY I DON'T BLAME HIS BROTHER OR RANDY FOR NOT WANTING TO SING WITH POO ANYMORE...HE IS THE DEVIL
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Deeka, may I ask where you are from and whats with all that devil crap??
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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I AM FROM PHILLY HOWEVER I LIVE IN WASHINGTON DC
I MET MAJOR IN VIRGINIA SOMETIME AGO AND HE TOLD ME A LOT OF THINGS LIKE WHEN YOU WERE IN THE STUDIO AND HE PULLED YOUR WIG OFF...MAJOR IS SO FUNNY IT IS HARD TO TELL IF HE WAS PLAYING AROUND BUT HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HIS SOLO CAREER AND WHEN HE WENT TO THE STUDIO AND PUNCHED HIS RECORD COMPANY EXECUTIVES IN THE FACE...TRUE OR NOT HE TOLD ALOT OF DELFONICS STORIES ABOUT THE ROAD AND HIS LIFE WITH WILBERT WILLIAM AND RANDY IN PHILLY I HOPE YOU KNOW THE DEVIL IS AN EVIL SPIRIT THAT STEERS PEOPLE IN THE WRONG DIRECTION AND LEAD THEM ON THE WRONG PATH...THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING ABOUT THE MENTAL ABUSE THE DELFONICS RECEIVED FROM WILLIAM POOGIE HART...IS A DEVILISH ACT...NOT A KIND THING TO DO TO ONES BROTHER AND FRIEND AND CO WORKERS...HOW ABOUT THE TIMES THE GROUP WENT ON THE ROAD AND WILLIAM POOGIE HART RAN WITH THE MONEY TO BUY CRACK COCAINE..IF IT WERE NOT FOR HIS BROTHER WILBERT PAYING THE BAND OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET AND SEEING TO IT THAT THEY ALL GOT HOME OKAY...THAT WAS A BROTHER ON THE RIGHT PATH...A KIND GENEROUS PERSON...QUIET YET HUMBLE AND SUBMISSIVE TO THE WILL OF GOD AND LOOKING OUT FOR HIS FELLOW MAN...AND BROTHER...THAT IS THE KIND OF REPORT I GOT FROM MAJOR HARRIS ABOUT WILBERT HART ...A KIND PERSON WHO DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE TREATED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IS NOT RIGHT...ELI ...YOU HEARD THE SAME STORIES...KENNY GAMBLE HAD A LOT OF STORIES TO TELL TOO...ENOUGH OF THAT...WHO REMEMBERS THE SHOW AT THE NIXON THEATRE BACK IN 1968...IT WAS THE BEST SHOW EVER PUT ON AT THE NIXON...ON THE SHOW IT WAS BILLY STEWARD EDDIE HOLMAN THE DELFONICS AND THE SPINNERS AND THE DUKE OF EARL GENE CHANDLER THE UNIFICS AND AND THE MAIN INGREDIENTS PUT ON BY JIMMY BISHOP AND WDAS IN PHILLY...THAT SHOW WAS OFF THE HOOK...HOW ABOUT THE BEST DRUMMERS EVER...LIKE FAT LARRY, JERRY JONES, KARL CHAMBERS, EARL FROM THE TRAMMPS...ELI AND REESE FESS UP ...YOU KNOW THESE GUYS...OR NEW THEM...HOW ABOUT NORMAN HARRIS, TONY BELL, SUGAR BEAR FORMAN, FRED AND BAY, THOM BELL, THE BEST TENOORS OUT OF PHILA...EDDIE HOLMAN, WILLIAM HART USE TO BE...RUSSELL THOMPKINS JR...COME ON NAME IT ...MY BAD NAME THEM...COME ON FELLAS GET A STEPPIN I KNOW YOU CAN NAME A FEW...
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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I JUST HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE TO BRING ABOUT...NOW YOU TAKE MIN LOUIS FARRAKHAN...HE TRIED TO SETTLE THE DISAGREEMENT WITH THE RAPPERS 50 AND THE GANG..WHY HAVEN'T HE TRIED REACHING BACK AND FIXING THE PROBLEM WITH THE DELFONICS...THEY ARE ALL MUSLIMS OR WAS...WHAT IS UP WITH THAT BROTHER MINISTER...WHY HAVEN'T YOU STRAIGHTENED OUT BROTHER WILLIAM POOGIE HART AND HIS EVIL DOINGS...I GUESS YOU SAY ONLY ALMIGHTY GOD ALLAH CAN STRAIGHTEN THAT BROTHER OUT...ESPECIALLY WHEN THE MOTHER AND FATHER OF THE DELFONICS COULD NOT MAKE WILLIAM GIVE HIS BROTHER HIS ROYALTIES AND TREAT HIM FAIR...THAT BROTHER IS OUT OF CONTROLLLL GREED IS HIS NAME...YOU EVER SEE SOMEONE WEAR EVERY PIECE OF JEWERLY HE EVER BOUGHT ON THE SAME DAY...THE SAME ARM AND HANDS EVERY DAY OF HIS LIFE...GREED....NOTHING BUT GREED BROTHER...SHAME ON YOU SPENDING SOMEONE ELSE'S SURVIVAL MONEY ON JEWELRY...CRACK COCAINE AND VODKA...SHAME ON YOU WILLIAM POOGIE HART THAT IS A BAD BROTHER IN ANY RELIGION...GOD FROWNS ON ALL THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR...GREED...SELFISH EGO TRIPPING BROTHER...
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Vonnie (vonnie)
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Deeka,

First of all let me say, welcome to SD forum. Next let me say it is not necessary to type in all caps, it is shouting. Now to the subject at hand, your second hand information. I know Major and he would not bite that hand that has helped him. William Hart has been very genorous to Major Harris. Major has been part of the Delfonics because of William. There are many sides to a story as most of us know. Since I don't know you, and I do know Major, I'm wary of your assertions. What is your veiled purpose? My wish is for the rift that exists between William and Wilbert to be mended. It can be accomplished and the wonderful music that they created together can once again be heard. Now what is needed is for the positive to be accentuated and the negative eliminated, so with that said, please put your negativity in check and stop the second hand stories.

I on the other hand do know William Hart and his family, and they are giving and clean hearted. You have said that William is a crack user, well I know he is opposed to drug use. He has many young people that he inspires to be their best and I have seen him deal with persons who use drugs, getting them back on the straight path. Wilbert would be very upset that you have painted his brother in such a dispicable picture. Remember blood is thicker than water, and your "stories" are very watered down. You talk about Randy and others needing teeth, well your story has no bite. You talk about Major pulling off Eli's wig, I can tell you that story has not a "hair" of truth. I've never been able to pull off anything on him except his pants.

(Message edited by Vonnie on July 31, 2004)

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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Deeka,

Hey, I'm feeling what you're saying. However, you have to get both sides of the story. I'd like to talk to you off forum about some of what you said. I'm not trying to be smart or anything like that. I just want to pull your coat about the way that you phrased some of what you did.

When I came aboard here, I had the habit of repeating second hand stories as fact. However, I later learned that some of my "reliable" sources weren't as reliable as I thought they were. Just a few weeks ago, I gave information regarding Ms Janice McClain, that was reported as fact by some industry folks who should have known better. Imagine my embarassment when someone pointed out my error.

I respect your loyalty to both Major & Wilbert. You seem to regard them as friends & friends should be loyal. I would love to be able to continue reading your insights about Wilbert & The Delfonics. I feel funny saying what I'm about to say to you. I mean no harm or disrespect to you. I just don't want to see you pick up some serious flack from a legal standpoint. Please regard my words as some friendly advice from one who has no axe to bear & has seen this kind of thing before.

Purely from a legal standpoint, some of what you've written can have some serious ramifications. Even if they're 1000% truth, some of your words could be construed as being slanderous & as they are now in print, libelous as well. I can understand your anger if you've been told such things. However, strictly from a legal standpoint, they could definitely cause many problems.

Unless you yourself have been privy to Mr Harts excesses, it behooves you not to print such things on a public forum for the world to see. Let's say that William or someone who knows him were to read your words. Let's say that he feels as though you've defamed him & decides to sue you for defamation of character.

Now, you've been told all of those stories & you believe them. However, the onus would be on you to prove your statements to be true. The people who told you those stories will not be sued, you would be & in the court of law, hearsay is not admissible as evidence. The danger here is that you've printed it here, not merely as your opinion, but as fact. That makes a big difference. You can present your opinion as an opinion. Howevre, you cannot present your opinion, or any other persons' opinion as fact. You need proof to back up the opinion. Without it, problems can ensue.

Now, you'd have to get those sources to back you up. Would they be willing to do so in a court of law?? If not, you'll be out on a limb all by your lonesome. They haven't made those statements in a public forum, your name is attached to them. I think that you understand what I'm saying to you. You have to weigh those type of words very carefully, as those are the type of words that could cause much grief for any website. I'm sure that you have no axe to grind with us here in Soulful Detroit, do you?? More importantly, it can create major problemws with you & I have a hunch that the sources would not be so quick about making the same statements in a court of law. They know that they'd have to have documented proof of some type.

So, while I agree with you that if that's the type of behavior that the brother engages in, it's wrong. If he jerks his brother & former bandmates, that's not cool at all. Out of concern for you, I am saying that you have to be very careful when you make a statement like that publically. You never know who's reading. You must be able to prove that type of assertion...beyond a shadow of doubt. It may be the absolute truth, but the burden of proof is on you.

I have a hunch that you have some interesting insights that can be positive & informative. I exhort you to simply be careful of what you write. Once you hit send, you can never take it back & it can always be used against you.

I hope that you will take my words in the spirit in which they're intended. Think about it & tell me what you think, ok??

(Message edited by juicefree20 on July 31, 2004)

(Message edited by juicefree20 on July 31, 2004)

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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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FYI
EVERYTHING HERE THAT IS WRITTEN IS SECOND HAND INFO AND THIS IS A FORUM FOR OPINIONS AND I DO HAVE MINE...HOWEVER, YOU STATED THE SAME THINGS AND YOU KNOW THEY ARE TRUE...EVERYONE KNOWS WILLIAM HAS LOST HIS VOICE...EVEN YOU STATED THAT SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING...MAJOR IS DOING BAD BECAUSE OF WILLIAM TOO...NOT PAYING HIM EITHER..SO HE IS NOT DENYING THAT...NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HIS FAMILY ...WHERE YOU COMING FROM WITH THAT..WE WERE TALKING ABOUT STORIES OF OLD ABOUT ON THE ROAD AND HOW ONE TREATS HIS FELLOW WORKERS..THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH...EVIDENTLY YOU THINK I AM BASHING SOMEONE...I AM ONLY HAVING FUN LIKE YOU GUYS..BUT THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH ...NO LIES HERE...
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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FYI
I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT FIRST HAND THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN ABOUT MY LEGAL STATUS IN THE FUTURE...GOOD LOOKING OUT...NOW CAN YOU NAME THE BEST DRUMMERS IN PHILA AND THE BEST TENORS HAVE I LEFT SOME OUT..
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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What's up Deeka,

Yes Brother, I was trying to look out for you. I have to take you at your word & believe that you know what you are doing. No harm meant, your words are duly noted.

On that note, I was hoping that you could fill me in on a few of the more prolific Philly arrtists. I'm here to learn more about the unsung. Me, I'm rather partial to Eddie & Russell.
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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fyi vonnie
for your info there is a court case from 1995 where william admitted stealing the royaltiies from the group so what you talking bout...he admitted it in black in white in a court deposition..okay...i am also a law student and i know the facts about that case...where he said arista was dumb enough to give him the money so he spent it...okay...now the wrong in that caused the desstruction of one of the greatest groups on earth okay...a thief is a thief by all means...major harris was picked by wilbert hart of the delfonics not william okay...wilbert brought maj=into the delfonics...he trained major for that role not william...ikay...fyi wilbert got major from a group called nat turners rebellion am i right eli..reese..tell them please it was eli that asked major to come to philly and put his voice on a song called love wont let me wait...while he was working with the delfonics in the bahamas..major left the delfonics because william was not treating him fair...am i right reese and eli...so there go suck it up and admit the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth am i right major harris...so there you have it from me...now on with the show...
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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i wish david ruffin was able to tell who was in that crack house with him the night he died shame shame shame cryin shame...we all know the truth
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Deeka Stevens (beejay)
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fyi
the show in ac was put on tape...why was william harts delfonics removed from that show...ha ha ha
the promoter kicked him off the show...ha ha ha now what...my bad...i was told it was the worst performance on the show in ac...thats another fact ...ha ha ha...suck it up truth is truth..
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~medusa~ (~medusa)
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...and I wish David could come back and Lead the Tempts again, with a new attitude, but with the same style he's always had.
I(and so many others) were so upset when he left, I couldn't believe he was gone, until I seen him laying there. Even then, he didn't look like his voiced was silenced forever...He is still missed, by so many.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Deeka,
Now get YOUR facts straight.

I DID NOT send for Major to come up to Philly from anywhere.

He AUDITIONED for me at WMOT one day and the powers that were asked me what I thought.

I told them that I would come up with some songs for him and then we'll see if they work.
LWLMW was not written as yet, nor was it written specifically for him.

BTW, for your own good, please take your vendettas elsewhere and not here on SD.

(Message edited by phillysoulman on August 01, 2004)
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hi Deeka,

Now that's what I'm talking about. I never knew about a court case & as I said, I never see interviews with the other brothers. In the book A Touch Of Classic Soul, Randy said that left because he was tired of the in-fighting & having walking pneumonia. He said that he suggested that Major join up as a 4th Delfonic.

Wilbert cited incorrect royalty accounting from the record company & the loss of Thom Bell to be the biggest factors in their downfall. In fact, I had a little grudge aginst Thom when I was a kid. I thought of all of those songs that they didn't get when Thom left. My first loyalty was to The Delfonics & I was pissed to see those songs going to The Spinners & The Stylistics. Hey, I was a kid & that's how I felt. I wanted The Delfonics to have those hits & I felt that Thoms' leaving definitely impacted their lack of future success. Could you imagine how huge they would've been??? Then again, he gave those great songs to The Spinners & The Stylistics & they were great!! I got over it & love all three groups, but when I was twelve, Thom would have had to have a bodyguard if I'd have seen him :-)

Where can I find info about the court case?? In the book, William speaks of Wilbert forming his own group & infringing on The Delfonics copyright that he owned. I never saw the particulars of the Royalty case. There's one other thing that I was wondering about. I'd always heard that they signed with Curtom, but nothing happened with that. It was also said that William signed solo with Arista & recorded Follow Every Dream for The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh soundtrack. So, I'm asking are there any released Curtom recordings sitting in a vault & were The Delfonics signed to Arista, or just William as has been reported??
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Let me clarify that last question. I know that Bell was part of Arista. I thought that the group had been dropped by Bell & that Curtom stepped in. After all, after Major left & the Alive & Kicking LP, we didn't hear much of anything from the fellas. I remember that William recorded Here's To You & there was the later release, Don't Throw It All Away. Then William recorded the cut for the Soundtrack. I know that they recorded on his Poogie label back in '81. It seems as though their story gets a bit muddled in the late 70s. I'm getting a bit confused with the events & the timeline here.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Hi Juice,
Thom disconued his relationship with the Delfonics because of the unscrupulous royalty accountings of Philly Groove records and Stan Watson, its owner, otherwise he would have continued.

There was naver any Curtom signing and no songs in the can with them.

William never signed a solo deal with Arista.
Follow every dream was on Lorimar, the short lived label of the film company.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Bobby,

Thanks for your response. I just found my Delfonics source. The Delfonics "Symphonic Soul" compilation on CharlyR&B mentions an "abortive" contract with Curtom. So, there was no deal there. It mentions that they joined Arista in '76 & the LP that they recorded was never released. Arista only released the 45 Don't Throw It All Away in '78, but that seems to be it. So, that clears up my question about a solo contract on Arista. As you correctly state, Follow Every Dream indeed came out on Lorimar.

My wish is that the Hart Brothers will reconcile their differences. If there were any misdeeds, I just wish that the aggrieved will fully compensate the grieved. Most of all, when all is said & done, they're brothers. As such, that should be of far more importance than the amount of monies involved. They're blood & really should work it out. We've been losing singers from that era in droves of late. Time is getting short for all of us.

One final thought: It's amazing to think that all of these beautiful, idealistic songs made by these great singers who sang in such wonderful harmony has resulted in so much ill will, litigation & DIS-harmony.

Kinda ironic, don't you think????
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Yes JF.
FYI.. Philly Groove was initially distributed by Bell records which was renamed arista when Clive Davis took it over from Columbia Pictures, so that's the connection, so in essence it was still under the same contract, just a renewed and updated one.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Bobby,

Makes sense. Do you know if there are any old Thom Bell, or Philly Groove material laying around in the cans???
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 5:52 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I dont seem to think so because they never "over cut", only recording the intended songs for the album, because of budget constraints at that time.

FYI..Stan usually payed us in cash, which I regret today because it was never credited to our pension fund.

Same with Salsoul.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Post Number: 1607
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Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 5:56 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hear you, but look at it this way: If not for the cash then, how would you have bought all of those cool plaids & skimmers??? We wouldn't have had all of those cool 70s pics to look at, now would we?

Juice (still diggin' the scene with a ganster lean.............OOH OOH OOOOOOOH)

:-)
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Post Number: 979
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Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 8:01 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stan Watson, the owner of Philly Groove was THE Template for the quintessential character from that song.

He actually drove a lime green Caddy with a diamond in the back, a white padded sunroof top, complete with a chauffeur.
Thing was , it was an Eldo!

He wore the complete "pimp" type clothes to boot.

He later got a '37 Cord replica.
The "Great Blacksby" indeed!!
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Post Number: 1614
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Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 8:14 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Bobby,

Do you think that he shopped at that website???
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 8:17 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

believe me,if there would have been a way he'd be first in line,

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