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  mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 316 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.242.225 |
can somebody please tell me what a 'fuzztone guitar bridge' is and a 'Sax Bridge' is please. regards flu-gel horn mel | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 85 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 212.219.250.5 |
Mel, a "bridge" is a short-ish instrumental section of a song that usually connects the chorus to the next verse .. I think. A "fuzz guitar" bridge would mean that the lead instument in that section is a fuzz guitar - a tenor sax would be the usual for a "sax bridge" James brown was always saying "take it to the bridge" Davie | ||
Ralph Terrana (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 395 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.63 |
Davie, You're right. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 639 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 172.168.216.92 |
A bridge could sometimes be called the "middle eight" because more usual than not it consists of an eight bar section that "bridges' the verse and chorus section of a song. Sometimes though, a bridge could be a section of music anywhere between two to eight bars that is placed in addition to the afforementioned sections of music to differentiate or "give a lift " to a piece of music. Sometimes the bridge may modulte, meaning changing the key to a usually higher one, to "lift up" the dynamic of a song. A lot of the HDH and even early G&H songs had a bridge section that modulated up a fourth and then went back to its original key for the verse, i.e., from C to E flat for the bridge and back to C again for the verse. capice?#^&*( (Message edited by phillysoulman on July 10, 2004) | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 962 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.220 |
Bobby; Right on, you do know everything about the make-up of a song. Good answer!! S.S. | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 317 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.43.74.72 |
Many thanks for telling me that the reason I asked is 2 45s I was spinning were in an article with those terms used to describe parts of the backing etc. cheers melodic mel | ||
paulie3$hoes (paulie3hoes) 3-Pundit Username: paulie3hoes Post Number: 51 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 172.174.153.66 |
whut about dat guy billy joe da 'merikan who jumped frum da talla....tallah.... bridge... sheesh i kant pernownce dat woid but youse all know whut im tawkin a bout eh?? now dat guy is really sleepin wit da fishes, eh????? (Message edited by paulie3$hoes on July 11, 2004) | ||
paulie3$hoes (paulie3hoes) 3-Pundit Username: paulie3hoes Post Number: 52 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 172.174.153.66 |
edit dis!!!!!@#$%^&*()_+ | ||
Destruction (destruction) 4-Laureate Username: destruction Post Number: 151 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.173.224.23 |
Led Zep had a song called "The Crunge" which ended with a radio announcer saying, "Where's that confounded bridge?"....because there was none in the song. | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 284 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.171.151 |
Ralph, Bobby would you think a bridge would be considered another term as a "hook". You both are knowledgable and accomplished pro's. Don in Chi-Town | ||
john c (john_c) 2-Debutant Username: john_c Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.2.233.107 |
That section of "The Crunge" was paying homage to James Brown's "Sex Machine". It seems that Brits use the term "middle eight" more frequently than "bridge'. To me a "hook" can be any part of a song that catches the ear and makes it memorable. | ||
Nosey (nosey) 4-Laureate Username: nosey Post Number: 152 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 149.174.164.84 |
I must admit while I was rumpshakin to James Brown, I had no idea what he meant by "take it to the bridge". I thought he meant the literal bridge. Of course in my adult years I found out what he was talking about. Isn't funny when you have one of those days where all of a sudden a lyric in a song becomes crystal clear but for years you had no idea what the singer was saying? | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 674 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.139 |
Don, The hook and the bridge are two different things. The hook is the part that everyone usually goes around singing hence the term "sing a long" which we used in Philly. We hardly ever said the hook or the chorus, which the hook essentialy is. The term "hok" is sometimes used because it hooks you in to the song. There are a lot of songs without obvious hooks such as: Macarthur park One more try (G Michael) Careless Whisper There is also the "tail hook" which is where the title comes at the end of each verse such as: Try a little tenderness Love wont let me wait I'll try something new True songwriting , the kind that will make you real income for a lifetime(and then some) is a fine CRAFT and not this disposable one shot garbage which prevails today. The is hardly ever any credible reusage with these "songs", so whatever money which is made is very short lived. Give me a "standard" any day. | ||
dvdmike (dvdmike) 5-Doyen Username: dvdmike Post Number: 187 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.208.234.61 |
If you notice, "For Your Precious Love" by Jerry Butler & The Impressions had no hook. Nothing in this song was ever repeated. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 679 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.139 |
Your so right Mike! I forgot about that one. | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 298 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.54.152 |
Thanx. | ||
Chi Drummer (chidrummer) 3-Pundit Username: chidrummer Post Number: 31 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 24.14.41.10 |
Amen, Brother Eli. Tell it like it should be!! ...On the other hand there are those songs that were ALL hook and nothing else, like More Bounce to the Ounce. | ||
Cool Ju (cool_ju) 3-Pundit Username: cool_ju Post Number: 67 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.139 |
I feel the hook of "For You Precious Love" is the melody that Jerry Butler sings strongly and empahtically every four measures. "Your Precious Love..." 2 3 4 "When I wanted you..." 2 3 4 "They say that our love..." 2 3 4 "For as long as you're..." The third beat of these measures is really emphasised, if you look at the song as being in 4/4 time. These things are the hook of the song to me. | ||
Uptight (uptight) 4-Laureate Username: uptight Post Number: 99 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.161.239.218 |
In "Mickey's Monkey," would "Lum de lum de la..." be considered the hook? It seems like a hook is always a catchy phrase or a strangely appealing combination of words, sometimes even scatting (non words). Can you all list a few "hooks" from your favorite tunes to give some of us non-musicians a better idea? | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 703 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.30.165 |
Ju.. FYPL is in a slow 6/8 time Uptight.. yes the lum de part is the hook in that case. More hooks: 1.Sugar pie honey bunch, you know that I love you, I cant help myself, I love you and nobody else. 2.na na na na, na na na na, na na na na , goodbye 3. 123, thats how elementary, its gonna be, come on lets fall in love its easy 4. So let the Sideshow begin, hurry hurry step right on in Cant afford to pass it by, guaranteed to make you cry 5.I cant go for that, no no oh, no can do I cant go for that | ||
Soulaholic (soulaholic) 5-Doyen Username: soulaholic Post Number: 331 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.41.40.105 |
Bobby, "Taking it to the Bridge" You should charge a few of the "current artist" lesson fees !! I wonder what the answers would be to a few simple questions: Do you read music? Do you understand composition? Do you understand basic arrangement? Never mind foreground, background, progresssion, or psychological functions of structual elements? Oh well, it's plain to see why what was is still better than what is when it comes to music. IMHO | ||
Cool Ju (cool_ju) 3-Pundit Username: cool_ju Post Number: 68 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 149.174.164.84 |
"FYPL is in a slow 6/8 time " Well then the mid of that 2nd 6/8 measure gets a big emphasis when JB begins to sing the parts I mentioned above. If you played the melody those parts would be the repetition, the hook. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 713 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.51.92 |
what is usually meant by a hook is a repetitive series of a combination of lyric and melody at the same time, ie, the chorus. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 714 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.51.92 |
Soulaholic, You are so spot on with your assessment of the matter at hand, as I have personally tried, tested and found true al of the answers to your questions to be of no avail to most of the current crop of ---- ----- -----fill in the blanks | ||
Destruction (destruction) 4-Laureate Username: destruction Post Number: 170 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.139.236.125 |
Soulaholic, Nobody needs to know that fancy schmancy crap. With a touch of my smallest finger I can bring to bear an orchestra or the sound of the wind. With absolutely no musical knowledge, I can summon portiond of the greatest music ever recorded or create sounds heretofore never heard by mortal man. Hell, I don't even need voice lessons.... they got machines that will put me back on pitch if I can just get within 50 feet of a note. And don't get me started on the musical talents of some of today's biggest money makers. I don't begrudge those who use the "tools of the age" as a means to an end. Just don't call yourselves, artists....or what you have.....talent In a related vein, I remember when computers were going to make everyone more mathematically and scientifically smarter. Instead we ended up with pictures on cash registers cause young people can't do simple math anymore. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 725 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.162.123.197 |
Machines are nice but you need a great musician to play and /or program it. Anyone can "make a beat" but only a true musician can make a song of substance. | ||
Guitarslim (lee_phillips) 1-Arriviste Username: lee_phillips Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.40.25.170 |
You said a mouthfull on the one Bobby! love ya man..Lee | ||
Guitarslim (lee_phillips) 2-Debutant Username: lee_phillips Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.40.25.170 |
Or... a bridge is the part of most tunes that I cant remember the chords!!! Right Bobby LOL!!! or I let the keyboard man do!alone because it has more dynamic impact!! | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 738 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.49.181 |
hey Lee LOL!! Hey man, how ya doin? Hows sandy? I miss you guys. I was gonna come on the 16th but I had some other things going on. Do you have any "new additions"? Il call you this week. (Message edited by phillysoulman on July 19, 2004) | ||
Soulaholic (soulaholic) 5-Doyen Username: soulaholic Post Number: 349 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.41.40.105 |
Destruction: I don't get your point are you telling me that I am off on this one or are you agreeing with my observation? Please clarify what you are saying I want to make sure I understand what you are saying so I can respond properly to you. I believe you are being facetious with your statement and I just read it and did not get it??? (Message edited by Soulaholic on July 19, 2004) |
