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  SisDetroit (sis) 5-Doyen Username: sis Post Number: 333 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.211.240 |
Which one of you have recieved David's new CD? How do you like it?? http://www.hiposelect.com/cata logue_ruffin.asp | ||
Ritchie (ritchie) 4-Laureate Username: ritchie Post Number: 122 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 62.254.0.32 |
In one word - brilliant!  | ||
David Meikle (david_meikle) 5-Doyen Username: david_meikle Post Number: 221 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 81.130.211.124 |
R How can we get a copy? The man is awesome. | ||
Steve (steve_litos) 2-Debutant Username: steve_litos Post Number: 26 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.100.86.4 |
It looks like I have to trek over to Dusty Groove America (the store) during my lunch break! I hope they have it in stock. | ||
Kdubya (paladin) 4-Laureate Username: paladin Post Number: 101 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 206.185.64.23 |
I pre-ordered it from Hippo but have yet to recieve it, when I do you all will here from me .. Kdubya | ||
Soul Sister (soul_sister) 6-Zenith Username: soul_sister Post Number: 933 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.43.165.220 |
Hi SisD; Thanks for the heads up! I just ordered it. S.S. | ||
John Lester (theboyfromxtown) 4-Laureate Username: theboyfromxtown Post Number: 86 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.44.166.19 |
You can only order it from Hippo....I thought! | ||
Kdubya (paladin) 4-Laureate Username: paladin Post Number: 109 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 206.185.64.23 |
Thats right John I got number 159 out of 3500just this very minute, will talk about this LP tommorrow.....I just opened the package and no..it can't be, there are 5 David Ruffins superimposed on the back...wonder if that has any significance ?????.....more tommorrow.... Kdub | ||
Common (common) 2-Debutant Username: common Post Number: 17 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.2.55.170 |
Hello everyone! All I can say is in word: AWESOME! Get it while the CDs are available! I've been listening to it non-stop ever since I got it last week. I fail to understand how Motown could've shelved this LP. It is excellent & David at his absolute best!!! Peace! | ||
janebse (janebse) 3-Pundit Username: janebse Post Number: 37 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.63.4.229 |
Why did they choose to release just 3500 copies and why do it through Hip-O-Select? From comments made by those involved, they know they have a winner, so why this method of release? | ||
Karyl (karyl) 1-Arriviste Username: karyl Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.170.180.170 |
Sis, I received my "David" today and I can't stop listening to it! | ||
Cool Ju (cool_ju) 3-Pundit Username: cool_ju Post Number: 54 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.139 |
I got mine today, number 105. I wish the Motown "label" had been colored instead of black and white with the big FBI warning. Haven't listened to it yet. | ||
Cool Ju (cool_ju) 3-Pundit Username: cool_ju Post Number: 56 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.139 |
I do like the simulated early 70's Motown artwork on the interior. But hey, I paid too much to have a black and white label with a big piracy warning on it. After all, these cds are supposed to be special, right? Hey HW, how about colored labels similar to what the release's label would have looked like? | ||
Kdubya (paladin) 4-Laureate Username: paladin Post Number: 110 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 206.185.64.23 |
Hey Cool Ju, its the same label as The Tempts Legacy more or less and I doubt that Harry W or anyone but a suit has something to do with it. I am glad that the material was released but I dont think that it would have sold many copies back in the day. I dont know what the problem was and could probably speculate until the cows come home and still not have the right answer, but I will give SDF my humble opinion. This album is good, but its not great. David appears lost, without direction or purpose, we may allude to various reasons, mutlitple producers, production delays, Davids emotional state over his career, personal issues, whatever.....there was defintely something missing. As I listened to the CD I was amazed at his trademark riffs and vocal acrobatics on songs that didn't necessarily require them. Like it or not for me David was an artist who was often better in a group, playing (singing) out of a competitive group dynamic. David would pull, the group would push, David would push, the group would pull. For instance listen to how he and the Tempts embellished, You'll Lose a Precious Love or Who's Lovin You. You wont find any song of that pure "gruffness" in this collection. The background singers are adequate (Adantes, Originals, Spinners ?) but I'm not sure that Motown knew just what to do with Gentleman Ruffin. This is not the David Ruffin that I grew up loving and listening to. I found it curious that he remade a song "Dinah" that was originally lead by Eddie Kendricks. His take on MJ's "I want You Back" is good but could have been better.The liner notes were very interesting covering the many phases the artist was going through, his departure from the Tempts, his personal struggles with Tammi and Genia....but overall this is not a cohesive project, it was all over the place. David, his writers and producers were experimenting borrowing songs and styles from other artists when they had the original right there in the studio with them. We all know that eventually David found himself and made some of the most memorable records of his career after the Tempts, here it seems he was just tuning up for the greatness that was to come. Just my 2 cent.........and the band played on....... | ||
NY-DELL (dell) 3-Pundit Username: dell Post Number: 31 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 38.117.188.10 |
Kdubya: Wow, I always enjoy hearing your take on things, now.....Ruffin "was" better with a group (a la Ollie Woodson)and yes he did eventually find himself and give us memorable "records" but he never to me put together a entire solid "album", people always experimented with David, because he was capable of doing so many things, and whenever he got the chance to pick his own material he never chose the right material and would leave us scrathing our heads (a la I want you back)I see Ollie Woodson going in this same direction. Some artist need that someone who'll guide them vocally, some artist no matter how "great" they are are not worthy of creative freedom, they don't know what to do with it....Dennis Edwards, is one of the few guys who made a extremly good transition from singing with a group to going solo. At times I think David wanted to be like his brother but he could never quite get it....a matter of fact some of the less than perfect material from David's solo career probally would have gone over better "if" done by his brother....in any event I will pick it up like I said "I buy everything".....let the the band play on brother | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 5-Doyen Username: sis Post Number: 338 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.211.240 |
I don't see anything wrong with having a black & white label. At least it is different. I like it. I don't like the Ani-Piracy being the important part of the label. David's name should have been in that spot. I guess piracy is so wide-spread, they want to be sure we don't miss the warning. I hope, since it is David, they will go after those who break that law. In fact, they know who they sent it to, and what number it is. | ||
Kdubya (paladin) 4-Laureate Username: paladin Post Number: 112 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 206.185.64.23 |
I hear you NY-Dell. For instance when the Tempts were Smokeys, that was it, My Girl, Since I Lost My Baby, Dont Look Back, etc. When they were Norman Whitfields.....same thing. Hell they were even good when they produced themselves. Marvin Gaye had the same thing going on when he wanted to be the Black Sinatra, he could'nt give away those records. They were'nt bad, they were ok, but noboby was running out buying them because .....well Marvin (like David) had individual greatness in him, he just needed someone to unlock the door and let it out. Fortunately for Marvin this happened several times during his short career. Remember folks Norman Whitfield was writng for the Tempts during the same period that Smokey was and I believe he wrote Aint to proud to beg and we all bow down whenever Davids hits those notes.....my question/statement was really " Where did My David Ruffin Go ?" Jesus would you believe what we would have witnessed if Smokey had produced an album on David or Norman W, we all know that later on Van McCoy unlocked the door on David and later Don Davis.............dam man he's gone and all we can do is talk about it...... Kdubya | ||
Walt B (walt_b) 2-Debutant Username: walt_b Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
I received my cd #123 and was interested to see what anyone else thought about it. The first couple of comments "great", etc. kinda caught me offguard. I must say that the first comments that echoed my thinking were the ones by Kdubya. I will continue to play this cd as sometimes my first reaction is subject to change after multiple listens though. | ||
NY-DELL (dell) 3-Pundit Username: dell Post Number: 32 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 38.117.188.10 |
Kdubya: True, it should have been Smokey or Norman. And there in lies the answer to your question "where did David go" ? There was no one there to put him in the right direction....but by that time David had Alienated his self from everyone who could have helped him at motown and probally wouldn't listen if they wanted to help.....David just wanted to be surrounded by yes men and people who praised him. David never suffered from a lack of ego and the best way to stay on his good side was to stroke it. Now maybe all of this goes back to his childhood cause David did crave love...but his individualism and ego combined with his childhood and drugs...was a volatile mixture....that put him on the road to self destruction. David could have been helped david could have been loved, damn, David could sing....the one thing David could never do was LISTEN, sad but true. | ||
P.J. (pj1) 2-Debutant Username: pj1 Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.3.123.111 |
Concerning the black and white label. Whenever Motown issued promo lps on the Motown label to disc jockeys @1960-70's, they featured this type of label instead of the normal predominenty blue one (the commercial release). Since this is an album that was scheduled and assembled but never released and a limited edition (with bonus tracks) to boot, I assume that Hip-O/Motown Select wanted the purchaser/collector to know the specialness of this release by printing the promo label on the cd. As regards the FBI warning, I wish that they had merely printed it on the back of the digi-pack instead. It is oversized and too disruptive on the cd itself. Does the FBI govern the placement of the warning or has this been left up to the discretion of the record companies? | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 5-Doyen Username: sis Post Number: 340 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.211.240 |
Personally, I can attest that as an individual, David was very respectable, quite, mannerable, and attentive, whenever I saw him. I never saw that ego. I'm sure David knew when to pull out and act on any particular personality. More than likely depended on the company he was in. (We all do that.) David never showed us his negative side that many people speak of. I think it was because when he was around my family, we respected him as a person, and treated him as such. Of course we loved his music. But, we would have loved David if he had not made any music. Can any of you say that??? According to the Liner notes on the CD, written by HW: "McMurray remained supportive. �He was never a problem in the studio,� he says. �Never buzzed, always straight as a solider." (Message edited by sis on July 07, 2004) | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 5-Doyen Username: sis Post Number: 342 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.211.240 |
HW - Can you let us know which songs has Bob Babbitt and which has Jamerson?? Was there something done in the processing of this CD to make the bass lines prominent?? (Message edited by sis on July 07, 2004) | ||
John Barry Sheffield (jaybs) 3-Pundit Username: jaybs Post Number: 41 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.92.168.165 |
Hi SisDetroit, I was so happy to get my copy of DAVID'S UNRELEASED ALBUM + BONUS TRACKS (0231) here in England on Tuesday and it has not been off since it arrived! "Rainy Nights in Georgia" not sure if it is the rain or tears rolling down my face! - SUPERB!! John | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 237 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.58.75 |
I for one are glad Ruffin's recordings is finally released. Although I'm not in the liberty to shell out the cash to buy it. I heard it far back in 72, though I'am curious to know what is the songlist if anyone will want to share some of the info on this long awaited and overdue release of this cd. I'm kinda curious. I know it's been a long time, I'm really curious if it's what I heard from the actual master that was played. Don | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 5-Doyen Username: sis Post Number: 346 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.211.240 |
Don - If you go into the link posted in the first post, you will be able to hear sound clips of each song. | ||
einnod23 (einnod23) 2-Debutant Username: einnod23 Post Number: 23 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 208.27.111.121 |
Yes, I Want You Back is ON THIS ONE!!!!!!!!! | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 242 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.34.218 |
Thank You sis, I got so caught up in reading this amazing thread that I overlooked it. | ||
janebse (janebse) 3-Pundit Username: janebse Post Number: 40 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.63.4.229 |
Kdubya, YOu made some good points. I wondered at covering "I Want You Back" and "Dinah." I too thought the Originals and Andantes were just adequate. And I missed the Temptations. At first I was curious as to why I noticed the backup singers. Usually they enhance the song, and you put the whole song together as a cohesive unit. But as I listened to the CD, I increasingly found myself noticing the backup singers and not being pleased with what I heard. I took the CD over to a friend's house and played it. The CD player was in the den, and we sat in the kitchen drinking coffee. Now she is familiar with David's work with the Temptations and loves it. But as we sat there she became increasingly restless. I noticed that when I wasn't really paying attention to the words of the song and just listening to the sound that there seemed to be a conflict between the backup singers and David. It had what I think of as "the Stravinsky clashing of cymbals effect." And my friend said, "Turn it off. It's just noise." You mentioned the Temptations and DAvid working together. There was no sense of that with the backup singers. Each was doing his own thing. And I think that is why they didn't release it in 1971. You mentioned the riffing, and I remember that Smokey and Norman would not let David riff unless they said so. I suspect you are right with your comment they didn't really know how to use David. | ||
zebop (zebop) 4-Laureate Username: zebop Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.139 |
"Turn it off. It's just noise." Now that's cold ROFL. Really I wasn't that impressed with what I heard on "David." I haven't heard it all. It's certainly great in spots but on the whole I think David's album with Jimmy had a that "thing" that I think a lot of "David" just doesn't have. | ||
Kdubya (paladin) 4-Laureate Username: paladin Post Number: 113 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 206.185.64.23 |
Janebse, NY Dell, Zebop, thank you all for your observations. In this case I only wrote about "what my ears heard". Like Walt B said, sometimes it takes repeated listenings to hear an artist clearly and then appreciate the music for what it is and not necessarily what the artist intended I will keep listening . Like NY Dell I am very serious about the music, there is nothing that I love more. I was surfing yesterday looking for a specific Temtpataion Album which currently is selling for over three hundred dollars on CD, finally I got to a couple of websites that featured photos of the Temptations Reunion Tour and I'll be dammed if I didn't start to get choked up... looking at the pictures of those brothers dancing and singing in military precision and from all appearences having the time of their lives. David, Dennis, Eddie, Glen, Richard, Melvin, Otis.....I recall seeing the Temptation Reunion Tour twice while they were here in Chicago and I'm glad I did, because they would never appear as that particular unit again. With the exception of Paul Williams, That was the greatest Temptation line up ever.........and the band played on......... | ||
NY-DELL (dell) 3-Pundit Username: dell Post Number: 33 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 38.117.188.10 |
Kdubya: Yes I'm serious about the music.....Yes it's true Smokey and Norman did have the reins on David, and I'm not saying that David wasn't a nice guy and all....but he did have his ways...like all of us...I spoke about his ego...but that was musically the brother could blow and he knew it I don't have a problem with a creative and talented cockiness...It came thru in his vocals and made David....King David...only motown knew how to properly use David....those were the writers and producers he needed. | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 83 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 212.219.250.5 |
Here's the track list for the CD 1. Each Day Is a Lifetime (Cosby/Fekaris/Zesses) - 3:11 2. I Want You Back (Gordy/Mizell/Perren/Richards) - 2:50 3. Out in the Country (Harrison/Mathews/Matlock) - 3:39 4. You Can Come Right Back to Me (Burston/Jones) - 3:05 5. I Can't Be Hurt Anymore (Cosby/Fekaris/Zesses) - 3:19 6. Rainy Night in Georgia (White) - 4:41 7. I've Got a Need for You (Bristol/Peters) - 3:21 8. Anything That You Ask For (Coleman/McMurray) - 2:55 9. Let Somebody Love Me (Bullock/Gorman/Hunter) - 3:54 10. For the Shelter of Your Love (Bristol/Hinton/Sawyer) - 3:28 11. Dinah (Cleveland/Robinson) - 3:16 12. Don't Stop Lovin' Me (Browner) - 3:03 13. It's Gonna Take a Whole Lot of Doin' [*] (Coleman/McMurray) - 2:55 14. I Want Her to Say It Again [*] (Bristol/Guess/Knight/Knight) - 3:09 15. Your Heartaches I Can Surely Heal [*] (Bristol/Peters/Peters/Purdue) - 3:25 16. Get Away Heartbreak (Keep on Moving) [*] (Bristol/Bullock/Manns) - 3:12 17. You Make Me Do Things I Don't Want to Do [*] (Cosby/Hinton/Sawyer) - 3:31 18. Mountain of Memories [*] (Coleman/Sawyer) - 3:04 19. Heaven Help Us All [*] (Miller) - 3:26 20. Each Day Is a Lifetime [*] (Cosby/Fekaris/Zesses) - 3:15 21. Don't Stop Loving Me [*] (Browner) - 2:52 22. You Can Come Right Back to Me [*] (Burston/Jones) - 3:06 23. Dinah [*] (Cleveland/Robinson) - 3:15 | ||
P.J. (pj1) 2-Debutant Username: pj1 Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.72.14.80 |
From your usage, [*] must mean not scheduled for inclusion on originally planned (but cancelled) album. #'20-24 are the mono versions released on 2 singles (Motown 1178 & 1187) and tracks #14-16 were only mixed to mono. All other selections are stereo. | ||
einnod23 (einnod23) 2-Debutant Username: einnod23 Post Number: 26 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.175.45.13 |
The sound quality has issues, but David is beltin' out!!!!!!!!! | ||
Mike Sku (mike_sku) 3-Pundit Username: mike_sku Post Number: 31 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.9.11.62 |
I just got my copy on Saturday, and I couldn't wait to play it. I had a family obligation, so I had to wait until last night, and let me tell you...I was blown away! Every David Ruffin nuance was there! Personal demons or no, the man was a genius. Thank God we have Motown Select, or this treat may have been locked up forever. | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 5-Doyen Username: ladymystique Post Number: 404 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.222.243.148 |
I have to get this CD! This weekend I will! Don't want to be left out! Now, only if Hip-O releases Dennis Edward's unreleased CD... |
