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Jimmy Mack (luke)
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One music book I have says that Ms Ellsion's performance of Stay With Me is best ever performance on a record(is this the same song as Janis Joplin's?! I vaguely remember it. Her satus/history seems somewhat vague and mysterious. I know she is deceased. Anyone know info?
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Soul-Brother (soulbrother)
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Now we are talking 'awesome' here.. the story goes that Frank Sinatra had booked a studio..but could not make it.. so Lorraine was given the time.. with a full orchestra waiting for Frankie Boy. 'Stay With Me Baby' propably scared them.. the performance is just spine -tingling.
Whatever song she got hold of.. she just tore it apart. Try 'Heart Be Still' which is another cracker.
I have been playing tracks from her 1974 Album called 'Lorraine Ellison' on recent shows..Jimmy Cliff's 'Many Rivers To Cross' will leave you breathless.. and on Sunday 's show(will be online on Monday).. you'll get the chance to hear her sing a gospel favourite 'Walk Around Heaven'
Lorraine passed away on 17th August 1985..she'll be screaming the house down in heaven by now!

(Message edited by Soul-Brother on July 02, 2004)

(Message edited by Soul-Brother on July 02, 2004)
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roger (roger)
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Jimmy Mack.

Here's a biography.

http://www.theiceberg.com/arti st/31627/lorraine_ellison.html

Check out the "Best of Loma ( Rise and Fall of a '60s Soul Label )" C.D. for her "Heart Be Still" and "Stay With Me Baby" sides.

http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Be st%20of%20Loma%20Records%3A%20 Rise%20and%20Fall%20of%20a%201 960s%20Soul%20Label:1921181761

Roger
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Jimmy Mack (luke)
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Thanks SB and Roger. SB--how do I find your radio station-what is it? Any cd on Lorraine?
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Phil (phil)
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Jimmy, there's a CD, "Heart & Soul", with 23 tracks. The only place I saw it was gemm, in the $ 50.00 range (isn't it a little too expensive ?)
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roger (roger)
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Jimmy Mack ..

Here's the (now deleted) Ichiban soul classics "Best of" C.D at under $13.00

http://www.epinions.com/musc_m u-198916?sp=imed

Roger
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Jimmy Mack (luke)
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thanks guys.
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Soul-Brother (soulbrother)
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Jimmy,
You can download some shows from my webpage
www.soulcellar.co.uk
and play them anytime
The next show is on 4th July.. and should be online a day later

Barry
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Soul-Brother (soulbrother)
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Lorraine Ellison - Many Rivers To Cross

can be heard from my webpage..just click on the title
http://www.soulcellar.co.uk/SO ULTRACKS.htm

Barry
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Soulaholic (soulaholic)
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Soul Brother:

That was great to hear!!

Thanks Barry!
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Fred (fred)
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According to Jerry Ragovoy, who produced the "Stay With Me" session, he was given 24 hours notice of the availability of the studio and the 48 piece orchestra, and he spent all that time writing out the individual arrangements. Because of that, it was the only song recorded at the session.

"Heart Be Still" is based on the gospel song "Peace Be Still." There's clips of a version of that song by Rev. C. L. Franklin available on a number of websites and you can see how much Ragovoy and Bert Berns borrowed.

Berns was worried that the two songs were so close that there would be a public backlash when "Heart" was released as a single. He was right, as a number of radio stations pulled the song from their playlists after protests from church groups.
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Brother Love (brother_love)
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Lorraine Ellison
The "Stay With Me" album was originally released on Warner Bros. Records
in 1969 and reissued onto CD on the German Linea label in 1991.
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Jimmy Mack (luke)
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Anyone know much of Lorriane's history/life? What did she die of?--great pic.---why does she seem obscure?--Linda Jones seems more familiar than Lorraine.
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Brother Love (brother_love)
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Lorraine Ellison
The beautiful Lorraine Ellison
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Brother Love (brother_love)
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Lorraine Ellison
Photography: Gary Gross 1974
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Brother Love (brother_love)
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Lorraine Ellison
Warner Bros. publicity shot
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Jimmy Mack (luke)
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Great pics - thanks--I remember that profile one.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Folks, if you didn't know, Barry's got the real Soul!! Check out his Rm files, good stuff there Barry!
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Brother Love (brother_love)
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Lorraine Ellison
French single CD cover issued by WEA in 1995, which featured four tracks including "Cry Me A River" which did not appear on the Ichiban collection.
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Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Hey Brother Love;
Nice pix. How you doing?
S.S.
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Brother Love (brother_love)
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Hey Soul Sister Go Sister,
I pray that all is well with you and Mr. Scott.
I have some pictures I want to share with you that I took of Jimmy a few years ago. If you like you can email me at costaricansoul@yahoo.com or I can post them here for you on SD. Enjoy your 4th of July and as always give my love to the gentleman. I can't wait to buy my copy of the DVD!

B.L.
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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I got very lucky--a couple of years ago, I came across not one but TWO sealed copies of the Lorraine Ellison CD on Ichiban, for only $2!

I bought one for myself and convinced my friend Laura (who was running a booth at the record convention we were at) to buy the other to play on her college radio show.

She wasn't sure about it, but she couldn't argue with the price. The next day, I tuned in to her show and heard two or three songs from the disc!
It's worth picking up.

Best,

Mark
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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I forgot--to answer your question, Jimmy, yes, it IS the same song as the one Janis did! She also covered Lorraine's "Try (Just a Little Bit Harder)", as well as another Jerry Ragovoy classic, Garnet Mimms's "Cry Baby".

Best,

Mark
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Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Hey there Brother Love;
Happy 4th BL! Hope all is well in LA! Jimmy & I will be out there in about two weeks for David's baptismal at Mabel John's, among other things.
Feel free to post your photos of Jimmy.
I will email you a little later, an important phone call just came in.
We'll probably hook up with "Narada" while there, he wants to record Jimmy:-), cool huh.
I'll pass on your message of love to Jimmy.
Take Care,
S.S.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hello & Happy 4th to everyone.

Hey S.S., would that be Mr Walden whom you're referring to???
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Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Hi Juice;
Happy 4th.
To answer your question, Yep.
S.S.
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Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Brother Love;
Did you get my email?
S.S.
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Brother Love (brother_love)
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Yes Soul Sister I did, I hope you got mine as well.
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Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Hey Brother Love;
No not yet.:-)
S.S.
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Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Brother Love;
I just got it, thanks. That picture of you & Jimmy looks great!! I also see Hill, & Elie Adams in the background.:-)
I'll keep your numbers handy when we go to L.A., anything is possible.
Best,
S.S.
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Jimmy Mack (luke)
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Does anyone know of what Ms Ellsion died of?
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mike s (mike_s)
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I think Lorraine started out with Mercury records but the only cut that meant much to me was her excellent version of her own song,I Dig You Baby which Jerry Butler made a hit.
It was her Loma/Warner recordings that made Lorraine's name.It was more word of mouth than actual sales as none of her recordings went really big. Stay with me made it to #11 in the soul charts and #64 in BB pop chart.
Others tracks I recommend are A Good Love and Only Your Love, in a similar vein to Stay with Me-but what a vein ! Jerry Ragovoy produced. Also from her Oliver Nelson arranged jazz-styled album,Heart and Soul, When Love Flies Away, pure class. Sadly I don't believe that has made it on to cd yet.
She was married to Sam Bell, of the Enchanters, who I think became a minister.She returned to gospel singing; a great talent that was never fully developed by the industry.
She was 50 or so when she died but I have not seen details of why she passed on.
As she was from Philly, I wonder if Bobby E ever worked with her?
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Jimmy Mack (luke)
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thanks Mike - great info.
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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I worked with and knew Lorraine well.
In the summer of 1975, Norman Harris produced some songs on her for Columbia, but I am not sure if they were ever released.

She was quite a fun and cool lady to be around.

(Message edited by phillysoulman on July 11, 2004)
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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Mike--there were TWO singles by Lorraine on Mercury, the other being "Call Me Anytime You Want Some Lovin'".

Best,

Mark

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