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Matthew Baker (mbaker)
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Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 10:44 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi guys

I was wonderin if anyone has ever heard of this Artist or Label? Songs are Will It Happen/Hey Baby I'm Coning Oh Back. Produced By Walter Smith. Songs are written by J. Gong and Freddie Scott. Idea Publishing BMI. I found it in a Stack of Promo soul 45 I bought yesterday and can find nothing on it? It is Good Soul though!
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 11:35 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There was a J&S label in NYC in the late fifties-early sixties.
Their biggest hit was Over the Mountain by Johnnie and Joe and zel was also involved with the Jaynettes(read J n S) Sally go round the roses.
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 12:24 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have The Gillettes
on J&S Records with
'same identicasl thing/24 hours of the day'
number 1391.

and another 45 that cant think of at the moment without digging my sounds out.

mel
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Post Number: 182
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 12:25 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That should be
'same identical thing'
sorry for misprint as my hands are like my feet whilst typing.

mel
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BJL (bjl)
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J&S was run by Zell Sanders, whose daughter Johnnie Louise Sanders (Richardson) recorded with The Hearts, The Jaynettes, and as half of Johnnie & Joe. She started the label around 1956 and it continued through to the '70s. There's some great soul, blues and gospel (and very rare funk) on J&S and its other labels like Zell's and Scatt - Clarence Ashe is a particular favourite of mine.

Freddie ("Are You Lonely For Me") Scott made his first record for J&S and he continued to work with Zell - the Lee Pratt 45 dates from 1968. Usually J&S songs were published by Zell's Music, so this 45 could have been an outside production. Why not contact Buddy Resnik in Fla - he publishes the song. He's at husky02746(at)aol.com
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Clarence ashe record 45s on
J&S Numbers
1469
1178
1466
1469
1471
1475
1967
have all titles if you want them.

The Kodoks
cut 'dont want no teasing/look up to the sky'
on number 1683

mel
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Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
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Post Number: 79
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 11:10 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you want to drive yourself crazy try sorting out how many records came out on Zell Sanders'
labels - they're a nightmare. She changed the
numbering system every time she changed address
which seems to have been at six-monthly intervals
(slight exaggeration) or as my friend Gary of
Apollojams says "when the voices told her to" ;)

The 1600 numbers are around 8 years earlier than the 1400's. Then there's a gospel series .....

Davie
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Post Number: 578
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 11:23 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does anyone have any pix of Zell??
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 11:30 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On a similar note, I nearly fell off my chair when i recently(in Detroit) found out that Devora Brown was a little old Jewish lady!!!
Just picturing her in that booth yelling thru the walls of Fortune studios, "ok ken vee try anudder vun, eh"?? "und you vit dat shmata on your kopf, ken you move in ah bissel, eh"??
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
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Posted on Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 10:03 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Matthew
forgot to mention a 45 I still have on the label
by
Johnnie and Joe
titled
'let your fingers do the walking'

cant think of number as its upstairs.

a nice mid-tempo dancer
that got a few spins over here at the all-nighters etc around the mid/late 80's.

mel
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lenny (lennytone)
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Post Number: 73
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 2:21 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was just listening to "I No Longer Believe In Miracles" by Ada Ray. I think it was on the Zells label (go to:
http://thehound.net/19920215/m p3s/start13.mp3 )
Ada starts crying and then Zell Sanders breaks in and scolds her "we got a record to do"!
My other favorite J&S is "I Searched The 7 Seas" by the Plants, and "Warm Soft & Lovely" by Johnny & Joe.
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BJL (bjl)
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Hey Lenny

Thanks - that's great! I'm a sucker for stuff like that - I guess you're familiar with Jackie & The Starlites?
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lenny (lennytone)
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Post Number: 74
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Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 12:06 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've always dug those crying records. Another one is "She's Gone" by Billy Soul on King.

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