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  funkcity (funkcity) 1-Arriviste Username: funkcity Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.77.124.62 |
Hmm...It did look a bit out of sync now didn't it ??? http://www.freep.com/sports/pi stons/aretha18_20040618.htm | ||
1wicked (1wicked) 4-Laureate Username: 1wicked Post Number: 155 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.126.64.72 |
Well...I'm sure Aretha recalls the time when she blew the lyrics to "The Star Spangled Banner" at one of the political conventions "umpteen" years ago (and all the flack about it)....and would do ANYTHING to avoid such an embarrassing situation agin. I know it's a difficult song to sing (made worse by hearing the echo in many arenas and stadiums)...but being the pro she is, she would do it...but take advantage of technological perks. | ||
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 4-Laureate Username: sudi_kamau Post Number: 84 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.117.198.35 |
Aretha Franklin looked like something from a Japanese monster movie where the lip synching was concerned, but whenever she actually recorded the Star Spangled Banner, she sung the hell out of it. | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 4-Laureate Username: randy_russi Post Number: 105 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
Well, it's been done before. I'm not sure, but didn't Cher lip-sync the national anthem at perhaps the Super Bowl in Miami a few years ago? | ||
Reese (reese) 4-Laureate Username: reese Post Number: 81 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 204.152.13.102 |
Lip-syncing is common at these events, mostly due to acoustics. Everyone knows the National Anthem can be a hard song to sing. Diana Ross lipsynced it at the Super Bowl back in 1982. Whitney did the same back in 1990. As I recall, there was a big controversy over Whitney's lipsync as well. I don't know what the big deal is. Aretha used the same tape last year at the NFL kickoff, and no one complained. On one Aretha board, some of her fans almost crucified her for lipsyncing this time. But its not like she pulled a Milli Vanilli. She was lipsyncing to her own voice. I'd rather she go with a recording that she knows is okay, rather than giving a not-so-great live vocal. If that had happened, she would have been criticized as well. So I guess its a no-win. However, I must admit that Aretha herself made the controversy worse. She is one of worst lipsyncers I've seen, and it was so obvious. Yet after the game when a reporter asked her did she lipsync, she said no. There was no need for her to lie, but she did. The Pistons said it was live. Then the producer who actually recorded the song came forward and confirmed it was a recording. (Message edited by reese on June 22, 2004) | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 4-Laureate Username: randy_russi Post Number: 106 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
You know, WHY is Aretha being judged for this when every major young star like Brittney Spears lip sync their entire concerts, right? | ||
paulie3$hoes (paulie3hoes) 3-Pundit Username: paulie3hoes Post Number: 45 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.61.127 |
eh, not fer nuttin' but my girl angelina she fakes it ala da time, capice???@#$%^&*( marrone...i'd give my eye toot' fer one nite of day real t'ing, capice?? cuz dey dont kall me paulie3$hoes fer nuttin', catch my drift??@#$%^&* | ||
Shawn1 (shawn1b) 4-Laureate Username: shawn1b Post Number: 98 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.30.14.44 |
I don't get it everybody knows her voice so as long as it was her voice what is the problem .Shawn | ||
sea (sea) 3-Pundit Username: sea Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.13 |
I don't get it either...whats the difference...it was still her voice....unlike Milli Vanilli aka Rob and Fab who was lip syncing to who knows whose voice! | ||
Sue (sue) 4-Laureate Username: sue Post Number: 97 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.200 |
There's a certain journalistic element that takes joy in attacking Aretha, bringing a great icon down, alas. It's not as if people lost their pensions over this, or somebody died, is it? I truly don't think they would have attacked anyone else with quite the same fervor. | ||
Ralph Terrana (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 354 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.63 |
I agree Sue. People should also realize that in most of the music specials on TV, the music track has been pre-recorded in a studio and the orchestra they see on the screen is faking it. Still..no one gets hurt. | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 4-Laureate Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 75 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
Aretha got the invite and the choice to do it anyway she wanted to and it was ok with me, I don't know why it became such a big story...maybe to take away from what was the Pistons running the Lakers over and kicking em when they were down, breaking their whole team up. ha ha | ||
Uptight (uptight) 4-Laureate Username: uptight Post Number: 79 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.55.0.68 |
Good points. The decision to lip-synch at such sporting events may have had a lot to do with acoustics. Without special speaker monitors strategically placed near the singer, isn't it difficult to hear herself? And when a singer does hear herself live from the house monitors (or even on a baseball field), it is in the form of an echo coming coming back to the singer seconds later, right? It seems like a singer would want to hear whether they're hitting the right note and are in time with the music, right? Pre-recorded vocals seem like an okay idea where it isn't convenient to set up special monitors. | ||
Brian T. (mrclemma) 3-Pundit Username: mrclemma Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.164.145.198 |
NO SACRED COWS!!! So what if Britney does it? She's known as an entertainer, not a singer. Why protect the big fat fraud? If she can no longer cut it, get someone who can. It's pretty pathetic if we accept this and make excuses. "Oh she did it at the Super Bowl"; "Well at least it's her own voice". Get real! If anyone had tried this thirty years ago, they'd have been tarred and feathered. Give me soulful singers, not soulful 'synchers! | ||
sea (sea) 3-Pundit Username: sea Post Number: 36 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.200 |
Brian T. Its obviously clear that you are not familiar with challenges that singers sometimes are confronted with when singing at a stadium arena or large venues where there are apparent accoustic delays that cause problems with the artist hearing in proper sequence the timing of a band or pre-recorded track. Unless you are that said artist or singer who is confronted with this challenge your statements about it are out of stupidity. So, I have to forgive your ignorance. As far as someone being tarred and feathered, you must mean that for yourself because when you speak of soul obviously the only ones you're familiar with are the souls on the bottom of the shoes on your two left feet. Get in rhythm! I was looking on all the sites and in all the newspapers, magazines, visual and audio presentations, awards, contributions, etc. to find out what in fact, in comparison to Ms. Aretha Franklin, what had you done. I came back with absolultely zip. So, until you have something significant to say, go out and buy some Aretha, put on "Respect", put on some headphones, listen to greatness and figure out how you can get a life. | ||
Stranger56 (stranger56) 3-Pundit Username: stranger56 Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 165.155.160.122 |
So what? It's not like she was lip-synching to someone else's voice. It was still Aretha. Jim | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 568 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.24.134 |
Does anyone remember Len Barry's record called Lip Sync?? | ||
Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (weldon) 5-Doyen Username: weldon Post Number: 183 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.80.162.3 |
back in the day a lot of big TV shows, would record the artist in the afternoon, and at show time the act would sing along with the music, I know because I have seen it, Weldon | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 4-Laureate Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 77 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
some of these comments that are presented here are not necessary...please ...it would be nice just to post your reasons why you liked Aretha's performance, didn't like it or didn't care one way or another why did it become to the point of insults and mentioning fraud. unless it was stated that it was to be a "live" performance,there was no fraud, as I posted earlier there was no rules, so she decided she would do it that way..maybe she made a mistake, maybe we'll learn more about the whole thing later. this was interesting until it blew up with insults toward Aretha, those comments to me are out of line..if we could just stick to the interesting pro's and con's ,I think it would much better. P.S. this should go for all the topics we discuss here as well. | ||
Rodmann (rodmann) 5-Doyen Username: rodmann Post Number: 225 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.221.220.110 |
Personally, I was shocked a few weeks back when I saw on the E! Network that Whitney's fabled Super Bowl Performance of 1990 was lip synched. I had no idea! It's also been reported that Beyonce lip synched The National Anthem at this year's Super Bowl and now people are outraged that Aretha Franklin lip-synched at this year's NBA playoffs. I can't get angry at Aretha Franklin or Whitney Houston because I don't think that they have anything else to prove in the vocal department. I can't say the same thing about Beyonce. (She's not as bad as some of the rest). Especially in an industry where people like Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears and Ashanti are passing themselves off as singers. I guess people are upset because they expect more from an Aretha Franklin, The Queen of Soul and Epitome of Vocal Talent. I realize that singers have issues about singing live in large arenas and stadiums but my question is this. With today's technology could a talented singer sing live in a very large arena or stadium and still sound good if they really wanted to? | ||
funkcity (funkcity) 2-Debutant Username: funkcity Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.77.124.62 |
On the other hand....... Maybe Anita Baker should have lip synced! Certainly her radio mike crapping out would not have been an issue ! ! ! | ||
SteveS (steves) 3-Pundit Username: steves Post Number: 38 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.219.207.3 |
Check out this article in today's New York Times about Aretha. It puts the lip-synch thing in the proper perspective (which is "so what?") and reminds you that she's the one and only Aretha, while giving props to Mahalia Jackson. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06 /25/arts/music/25REVE.html | ||
Sue (sue) 4-Laureate Username: sue Post Number: 98 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
Excellent NY Times story by John Rockwell, on Aretha's performance at the Palace. | ||
DarkBrit (darkbrit) 1-Arriviste Username: darkbrit Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.249.93.139 |
One more time...!! Brian T..... Looks like some things are left Un-said. |
