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  Kev-Lo (7273747576) 4-Laureate Username: 7273747576 Post Number: 110 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.237.29.163 |
Hi this is Kev-Lo can anybody tell me what ever happen to these chicago soul acts THE MAJORS were a chicago soul that made a jam in the 60's called LOST IN THE CITY WADE FLEMONS was another chicago soul artist in the mid 60's made a jam called THAT OTHER PLACE | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314 Post Number: 685 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.198 |
On here starting stuff huh Kev Lo? Gotta go deep huh? LOL. | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 4-Laureate Username: mel Post Number: 160 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.129.175 |
Kev check out Wade Flemons 'Jeanette' on Ramsel no.1001 stomperrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........ didnt he join somebody like earth wind and fire or somebody like that years ago? dont know what happened to him though. liked the Majors(Majoriv) material as well on that great label Venture as well as big 3 records. but alas dont know what happened to them maybe Robb or Don can help out. mel | ||
BJL (bjl) 1-Arriviste Username: bjl Post Number: 10 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
Wade Flemons was in EW&F (1970-73). He was born in Coffeyville KS on Sep 20 1940 and died in Battle Creek MI on Oct 13 1994. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 548 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.40.235 |
I loved his record here I stand on Vee Jay. We also had a Majors group in Philly with A Wonerful Dream on Imperial. Ricky Cordo was the lead singer. | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 4-Laureate Username: randy_russi Post Number: 107 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
Yes, the only group called THE MAJORS I recall is the group on Imperial--"A Wonderful Dream" and the follow-up "A Little Bit Now (A Little Bit Later)". | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 4-Laureate Username: mel Post Number: 162 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.152.20.95 |
yeah well theres a group on the above labels I mention called the majors mel | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 4-Laureate Username: mel Post Number: 163 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.152.20.95 |
MAJORS 'LOST IN THE CITY/SAY YOU'LL BE MINE' ON BIG THREE RECORDS NUMBER 403 MAJORS 'SUGAR PIE/DOWN IN THE GHETTO' ON VENTURE RECORDS NUMBER 606 ALSO AS THE MAJOR IV mel | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 206 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.33.146 |
Hi Everyone, The Chicago vocal group the Majors a/k/a The Vows that recorded for Big 3, also recorded for Sta-Set and Nation but it remains to be seen, because their singles for Sta-Set and for Nation would be considered rare and obscure very hard to find singles. The same group later changed their name to The Major IV when they we're signed to Venture, a westcoast based label. I'am still friends with group leader Larry Montgomery, Lead vocalist Fuzzy and Lawrence Bibbs (that sung lead on "Lost In A City" and "When A Boy Loves A Girl" their Chi Town sides) and Burl Bynum. On their earlier Chicago based recordings their we're a 5 member group that had two bass singers James "Fat Brain" Simms replaced with Billy Davis. Burl Bynum wasn't with the group when they we're signed to Venture, he was in the service, Billy stayed in the lineup. They recorded until 1972. Venture has plenty of songs in the can even on Venture's short lived label People that came out first, before an Venture/MGM was established (No, not to be confused with the James Brown People label). Kev-Lo, Billy Butler plays guitar on the "Lost In A City" record on guitar! I've talked with Fuzzy and Larry said if they'd had the chance they've woulda loved to work with Jo Armstead back in the day or even now. Because she we're their favorite composer. Mine too. Randy, I don't know if it we're you or Tony that started 2 threads called Brass Rings...and another named People Records. We're one of you posted that Kim Weston had an lp out on People. However, I ask you both we're their a male vocal group backing MS. Kim and the reply back was a "yes". Well, Randy, those are the guys The Major IV, the same group which recorded those Chi sides we've just mentioned. They are Kim and Mickey's favorite vocal group of all time. Kim was crazy about 'em. When they recorded in Chi- Town they we're Joyce Kennedy's (of Mothers Finest Fame) one and only main backup group. The group is still around rehearsing and they want to make a comeback, and I'm trying to secure them a contact with someone. If there's anyone here or out there interested? Please let them know. Contact the group at www.sistersew@sbcglobal.net P.S. I know there we're a lot of groups named Majors. It's not as confusing how it once we're. Don Chgo,IL | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 4-Laureate Username: mel Post Number: 164 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.133.33 |
what a great Label Venture is. And the Maverick Label. I have at least 90% of the 45's on both labels in some form or other. mel | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 4-Laureate Username: mel Post Number: 165 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.133.33 |
Hey Don tell the guys theres still a lot of uk fans digging there material(andthensome) maverick mel on a major venture | ||
dvdmike (dvdmike) 4-Laureate Username: dvdmike Post Number: 152 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.253.188.161 |
Wade was an original member of Earth, Wind & Fire, but long before that he was a recording artist on Vee-Jay's roster. His "Here I Stand" peaked at #19 on Billboard's R&B chart and at #80 on the Hot 100 in 1958. "Easy Lovin" from 1960 peaked at #10 R&B and his cover of "Please Send Me Someone To Love" peaked at #20. He joined Maurice White's group, The Salty Peppers in 1969 and that group evolved into Earth, Wind & Fire. Wade was with the group through their 2 album Warner Bros. run, then in 1971 was unceremoniously fired along with the rest of the group except for of course, Verdine. Maurice recruited a new group when they signed with Columbia. | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 209 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.37.83 |
Hi Mel, Can you contact also me at the email address I post. Please, I have something to ask of you sir. Don Chgo, IL | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 211 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.37.83 |
Mel, Maverick was a Willie Hutch run label (not to be confuse with MaDonna's label), he may of had some folks from Venture helping him along the way. Hey Mike, It's good hearing from you man! | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 212 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.37.83 |
When The Majors we're known around the city as The Vows they also recorded some sides for Ran-Dee. I heard from the group and all said they we're released here. Like I said before their Ran-Dee sides also remains to be seen. | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 213 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.37.83 |
P.S. Mel the "Say You'll Be Mine" song that was cut by the group when they we're known as The Vows, for either Sta-Set and/or Ran-Dee Records. It was the only one song that was released under the monicker The Majors. | ||
Kev-Lo (7273747576) 4-Laureate Username: 7273747576 Post Number: 112 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.237.32.98 |
Hi this is Kev-Lo hey Don, Mel,Dvdmike and BJL thank you guys for sharing this info on these rare soul acts. I did'nt know Wade Flemons passed and I also did'nt know he was with EW&F but you learn something new everyday | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 4-Laureate Username: mel Post Number: 166 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.133.39 |
Don I cant find your address I do have it but its gone a.w.o.l. you can find me at melandthensome@yahoo.co.uk cheers mel | ||
roger (roger) 4-Laureate Username: roger Post Number: 103 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.35.87.17 |
Hello Everyone. I'd like to thank Don for his excellent information about "Lost In A City" by THE MAJORS. I know the track from its inclusion in the Goldmine C.D. "The Northern Soul of Chicago" ( one of the best tracks on the C.D. IMO ). Recently, I purchased another C.D. that gave it a passing mentioned it in the booklet notes and said it was recorded by a group that went under another name .. and I spent half an hour last night trying to remember in which C.D. I read this in and the other name of the group. Very frustrating as I'm sure you can all imagine. I think it was probably the BILLY BUTLER "Sugar Candy Lady" C.D. that I recently aquired .. as this has a very extensive resumee of Billy's musical career. I shall check this later and see what else it might have to say. Thanks again Don. Roger | ||
mike s (mike_s) 3-Pundit Username: mike_s Post Number: 47 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.10 |
Anyone tell me more about Venture Records pls. Seems to have been around with Mickey Stevenson and Clarence Paul in the late 60s...and then re-appeared with Cecile Barker and Tony Camillo in the 70s, (Sandra Feva was on the label then). Were they different businesses? Thanks | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 217 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.185.141 |
Hello Don Here, I like to take this time to add that all songs I mentioned here in this thread by The Majors (out of Chicago) we're all originally recorded as The Vows on Bob Lee's Big Three as #400 and was later re-released as Big Three #403 by The Majors. When you all spoke of at one time on past post, "Lost In A City" and "When A Boy Loves A Girl" that these songs are almost 40-41 yrs old. These songs we're not the typical,adverage Chicago sounding records nor it's sound quality. This group and their songs we're way ahead of they're time. The songs sounds like they could've been released back in the 70's or the 80's. The same goes for early Joyce Kennedy sides respectively. No matter what side is flipped over all the songs are of good quality. You'd all have to thank Larry for writing and arranging the tunes no matter who's name is credited. When I hear Bloodstone's "You And Me Go A Long Way Back" their song reminds me of "When A Boy Loves A Girl". Another group who was closely associated with The Vows/Majors/Major IV was The Kittens. The same 3 memmber girl group whos 6 sides we're produced by Johnny Pate of Johnny Pate Prod's for ABC/Paramount. Before their tenure with Pate, The Kittens recorded earlier for Bob Lee's Vick (or spelled Vic) label. They recorded "Wait A Minute (You're Getting Careless With My Heart)" b/w "Somebody New" on Vic #300, is the same day The Majors went into the studios and recorded "When A Boy Loves A Girl" b/w "Lost In A City". Which featured Billy Butler on these sides. I'm not bragging because I knew The Kittens or I'm from Chicago, I once heard The Kittens could of given The Supremes and other girl groups a run for their money. So there you have it. Don Chgo, IL | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 172 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.240.120 |
Another great group the kittens I have stuff by them on ABC and Chess records. my fave being the superb 'aint no more room' mel | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 175 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.240.120 |
Don got some nice scans of the vows on sta-set and nation. May have a scan of the Ran-dee stuff to will have to dig them out. yeah I knew the maverick logo was willie hutch its just that I have both the listings etc together and like the sounds on both labels. cheers mel | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 218 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.163.78 |
Hi Mel, I know how you feel. Those Sta-Set, Ran-Dee and Nation mysteriously disappeared from Larry's collection. If he'd still have 'em I would ask him to let me post it. The rest of the guys don't have a copy either. "Fat Brain" may have those copies, only I'm making a big guess? We all don't know what became of James Simms. The last Larry heard that he went back to work and was driving a truck. Their late manager Ruth L. Moore was very reluctant of not wanting to give groups and singers copies of their records, don't ask I don't know why? All I hear was that when "Moe" would have have boxes and boxes of their stuff she'd say these are for some DJ's, and make some tired lame excuse about sending to a place like Arazonia and other places to the effect. I'll give you a hint Mel, read the second part of the last sentence of the second paragraph of my last thread and see why she-. Some had to steal copies but was unsuccessful most of the time. Larry was happen to be talking with Laura of the The Kittens and she honestly said she did not have none of their singles. Mel,I know cats like you and Graham, Robb (and other's I forgot to mentioned) are serious collector's. No one is keeping anything from anybody-believe me. If somebody where to ask me could they'd get a copy, even if I had only a copy (if i had it) I would dub it for 'em. Well, there you have it. P.S. I wrote your email down this time with some other's I have in my trusty email address booklet. I'm going to email you soon, ok. With Regards Don | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 223 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.163.78 |
Don Back Here Back Again. I was speaking with Larry about Wade Flemons he told me he knew that Wade was an recording artist for VJ (Vee-Jay), and said he knew of his work for other labels, says he's aware of VJ material the most and everyone in Chicago was. I heard that Wade was an once member of EW&F over on the Soul-Patrol.COM site about 4yrs ago. Until I really thought about it. During his membership with EW&F from 70-73, is it safe to assume that Jessica Cleaves replaced him in the band? Didn't she sing on EW&F's 73 track of "Keep Your Head To The Sky"? Yes, I remember their 2 WB lp's before they we're signed to Columbia (the fans are fimiliar with their most popular Columbia lp's instead of the earlier one's released on Columbia). During Wade's days with the band their we're Verdine, Philip and Larry on percussions, A mexican cat on rhythm guitar who's name escapes me (that returned to the band after Al McKay left only to leave again himself?), Johnny Graham on lead guitar, Larry Dunn on Keys & syn, The cat with the bushy sideburns (who's name escapes me), also Maurice and Fred and I can't leave out jazz great Ronnie Laws (of Friends & Strangers of 77 and of the Every Generation lp's fame). I prefer the studio version of "Devotion". Don Chgo, IL | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 177 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.240.127 |
Don great stuff looking forward to corresponding with you off line. cheers mel | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 178 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.152.20.75 |
Don was one of THE KITTENS a member of THE KODOKS at some stage. gotta go the footy is starting. many thanks mel the soulful EVERTONIAN. | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 227 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.61.69 |
Melandthensome, I'll have to ask Larry Montgomery and Joeseph "FuzzY" Buckner cous they are the historians of the group, with the musical knowledge and orgins of the roster of artist in the Ruth L. Moore roster of artists she's managed. Yes Mel, these are the same Kitten group that recorded for Vic, ABC and CHESS Records out of Chicago. Good question Mel, I'll check into it with a quickness. With Regards Don | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 228 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.61.69 |
Melandthensome, Yes Mel, that was a 3 member girl group Laura was involved with before she was with The Kittens. It was Laura and another girl from the northside, and a girl who's only remembered as Tracy, who's from Brooklyn, NY? Mel, I can only give answers to questions you ask to the best of my my own ability. Don Chgo, IL | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 180 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.153.210.166 |
Don many thanks The Kodoks are a great fave of mine. I will dig out some of there material some time. I have always dug the group. once more appreciate you getting back to me. take it easy mel | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 188 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.129.161 |
Don are the Kittens connected in any way to The Kittens Three that recorded 'Im comin'apart at the seams' on Newark no.215 another good sound. cheers mel | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 336 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.141.73 |
Mel, those Kittens on Newark were an East Coast group ,(of which I have a couple more records on East Coast labels). Most, if not all of them were from BEFORE the Chicago group. Maybe Laura might be the connection. Maybe she brought the name "Kittens" with her to Chicago? | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 230 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.240.124 |
cheers Robb mel | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 231 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.240.124 |
Robb checkout the clubhouse mel | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 230 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.172.201 |
Hello Mel and Robb K, Mel, you really come on strong man. And Robb, you really hit the nail on the head. The Kodoks, Kittens that Laura which was a member. I'm totally caught off guard by the comment you made Robb, I didn't know that Laura was associated with The Kittens Three? Larry did tell me that after The kittens they continued on performing. Larry once said they went on before or after performing as The Kittens Three and/or as The Three Kittens. When I learned this, it was a bit contrary, because we are talking about 30-40 something yrs fellas, you know? And I'll show either Fuzzy and Larry (On more I'll have to talk to Larry cause he knows her and her origins). Although I think Robb K may be correct and on the right track here, Mel. But let me talk with Lester and show him this thread, ok. Also, let me add a lil som 'n. Out of all the groups Laura has been with that would later spawn SILK that recorded 2 sides on NATION, recorded here. Hey Mel, I forgot to mention earlier that members of Laura's group The Kodoks, The 3K's and/or The K3 we're SILK. I've said in past threads about SILK, and now it's coming all back now. SILK we're actually a 4 female vocal group. I recall there was Tracy and Brenda. I can't recall the other 2 ladies name for the life of me. Laura did sing with SILK for as a replacement or for a hot second. I know two of the girls we're sisters, I don't know which one's we're exactly? Until one sister got out of SILK. They we're 4 then 3 then went to 4 and stayed as a trio. So we are talkin' about a Chgo/NY Connection here, as in NY I'm speaking of (Brooklyn and Buffalo). Two members from Chi-Town and two members from the east. I must correct myself also Mel and Robb K. Robb, I mistakenly and accidently thought The Aprils or Fern & The Aprils (a/k/a) The Natur'elles that recorded too also for NATION we're The Sisters Love. No, The Sisters Love was SILK. Sorry for the mix-up in past threads to you both and ev'ry one. I talked with Fuzzy of The Majors and he corrected me on the mix-up's between who was Sisters Love. I also was reminded again when I read an thread on SILK (a/k/a) Sisters Love. Also Thanks to Manny for his past post about SILK when the girls recorded a lp for Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff's Philadelphia International Records. I didn't know the girls made an lp, I thought they made 2-4 sides for them. I know their Philadelphia International must be a collectors item and a rare lp at that, I assume? I think SILK was one of their earliest artist. I remember them, The O'Jays, Harold Melvin & The Bluenotes, Carolyn Crawford, Billy Paul and Jean Carne as being the PIR artists I heard first. Don Chi-Town, The Windy City, The Hawk & Chgo | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 275 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.240.123 |
Don looking forward to you mailing me have a lot of things to talk about and send you. mel | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 277 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.240.123 |
Don Sisters Love as in 'this time tomorrow' on the Manchild label cheers mel | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 232 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.38.88 |
Melandthensome, There is no connection with The Kittens of the midwest and The Kittens Three from the west. Though I'm quite curious on the members of the east coast group. P.S. I only had only a single by the girls on A&M their first after NATION, produced and written by Mr. Hutch, Mr. Willie Hutch. I can't think of the title nor it's flip offa the top of my head. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 349 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.152.69 |
Thanks for clarifying about The Kittens Three, Don. Actually, I didn't even notice that it was written Kittens Three. Ithought both East Coast records were just "Kittens". And, there both being from the NY-NJ Area, made me assume they might be the same group. Interesting to know that Laura brought the name from the NY group to Chicago with her, to name the Chicago Group (if I read your post correctly?). | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 234 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.58.75 |
Good insight Robb K, but I'll be frank. I'm finding out that Laura did tour with SILK and did gigs as Jerry Butler's bkgrd vocalist and etc work with other's artists. Also, I was quite surprised to see a pic of Mr. Butler on A recent thread belonging to Wonder B, it's still here on the forum still. But I'll have to talk with Laura. Because like yourself and Larry of The Majors, I get a sense of an "Yes no not quite sure?". Wait now I get it...maybe Laura did bring the idea with her back from NY/NJ. And speaking about Kitten connection, now I'm learning that Beatrice Willis (and/or) Cash wanted to to become a member of SILK too. I'll have to get in touch with Laura to track her down to ask her. | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 254 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.78.24.41 |
I left out on previous threads I posted. I learned thru listening to Herb Kent's saturday or sunday show a-bout 4yrs ago I recall him informing listeners that Mr. Wade Flemons had passed away. | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 276 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.49.63 |
To Mike S, if your out there? The Venture label formed in late 1967 by MGM as an outlet for Their soul acts. The label was run by former Motown A&R director Willian "Mickey" Stevenson with help from many other Motown Exiles- the company was based in Los Angeles. Originally posted by Davie G on Monday, February 18, 2002. Don Chi-Town Don (Message edited by Don on July 12, 2004) | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 310 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.175.46 |
Misinfomation. I read and posted on another thread and accidently agreed with, and I wanted to make a correction. The Natur'elles that recorded with Venture are the Sisters Love that recorded for A&M and for other labels. Before they we're the Aprils and Fern & the Aprils, then the Natur'elles later changed their names to the Sisters Love. I have nothing farther to add. Don | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 329 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.242.225 |
Don/Robb(anyone) have you heard 'talkin' bout my man' by Martha Jean Love on ABC Paramount records another J.Pate 45 alongside Eddie Thomas etc. mel | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 315 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.187.148 |
Wow! Mel your something else man. Not only I knew Martha Jean Love, I had that record. Cause I heard the single 5 yrs back. She's done gigs with Majors and Joyce, I think Kittens too. Glad You gave Martha Jean a mention Mel. Don Chi-Town | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 317 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.164.86 |
Mel. When ABC was headquatered here in Chi they got rid of and threw away masters, demos, unrelease stuff, the whole works into dumpsters and hauled away to the garbage dump. To make room in their warehouse storage. When ABC did that they completely and subbliminally erased alot of Chicago's and other artists output. ABC made up for half if not more, of what Chicago was recording. Sorry to say. Yes, Martha Jean is another rare yet obscure one of a kind record. I lost track of her, she might still be here living in the city I'm not sure? If anyone has any kind of info about Martha Jean Love "MJ", I'd like to hear it. Don Chi-Town/Chicago | ||
BOSS (boss) 2-Debutant Username: boss Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.92.58.124 |
Don: I know that Fern Bledsoe was a member of The Aprils do you know the names of the other members? | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 346 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.42.211.248 |
Hey Don always liked the record by her we gave it a few spins at the various venues. cheers mel ps still sorting you a few things out to send I wont forget. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 366 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.80.234.236 |
I have the Martha Jean Love record. Both sides are fantastic. I wish ABC had put out more on her. | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 360 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.182.218 |
Hi Boss, I remember very little about Fern & The Aprils. I do remember Fern and another member who's name escapes me, but that's all I know of. Although I can find out and I'll post it. Don | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 367 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.182.218 |
Hey Mel The Group SILK that I know who's other members I seemingly recall are Darlene, Tracy and Joyce, I think? Don | ||
BOSS (boss) 2-Debutant Username: boss Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.156.46.112 |
Thanks a lot Don much appreciated. | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 347 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.43.74.74 |
I have a Paul Serrano (didnt he once work with the independents) produced 45 by Dave Mitchell and the screamers 'the trip' on a label apparantly named after Chicagos record shops MET RECORDS. Is Saxie Russell involved in this? if not has anyone any info on Saxie who I have on 'PSCHADELIC SOUL'. Pus any info on dave mitchell and the screamers please. cheers mel | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 387 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.59.66 |
I have only single left by Sisters Love on A&M, "Ring Once" written by D. Arnold/R. Simmons/B. Palmer, produced by Gene Chandler for Whatever's Fair, Inc and arranged by R. Evans. the flip is entitle "Are You Lonely" written A. Marks/E. Dixon (GEne Chandler), produced by Gene Chandler for Whatever's Fair, INc and arranged by Tom-Tom. I had had at one time another single both sides we're produced by Willie Hutch on Sisters Love on A&M. Note: Aprils and/or Fern & the Aprils/The Natura'elles are aka sisters Love. DON | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 409 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.172.131 |
Yeah, Hi Boss. The members of Fern & The Aprils. Fay McGee and a cousin (who's name escape me) who was suppose to be related to Kim Weston. William Mickey Stevenson discovered them originally though Willie Hutch brought them to the independent People label earlier. Later they signed to Stevenson's Venture as The Natura'elles and later known as Sisters Love. However the girls are from sections of LA & Oakland. There may have occured some personal changes along the way. WM Stevenson discovered Hudges, Smith & James (I think fay or another member?) was originally w/ one or the other young lady was in HJ&S originally, early motown singer Carolyn Crawford joined much much later amply calling themselfs Hudges, James & Crawford ( correct me on spelling of name of the group?). I appreciate you giving Fern & The Aprils a mention, Boss. You are the Boss. Don Chgo, Chi-Town, The Windy City, and The Hawk | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 411 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.172.131 |
Mel & Robb K, The question with regards to Laura also while she was with SILK they went also by the name The Peaches that we're Jerry "Iceman" Butler's backup singer in late 60's early 70's. I read in a recent or past SD thread started by either Wonder B or Randy & Tony Russi that Peaches made some singles and recorded an album. Don't know if Laura was with Peaches while in the process of recording. By this this time she was married and raising a family with her husband. Mel, Robb K or anyone, got any info on The Peaches please let me know. Don All Over Chicago!!! | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 416 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.172.131 |
Another group from their April days...Joyce. Don of all Chi-Town! | ||
BOSS (boss) 2-Debutant Username: boss Post Number: 29 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.156.44.138 |
Don: I never knew that Fern & The Aprils later became The Natura'elles / Sister's Love. I must admit to not knowing (remembering?) any releases by The Natura'elles. I have in my collection somewhere a MOWEST release by Sister's Love penned by Curtis Mayfield, and I recall a friend owning a CAL-STATE 45 being released by them. I have in my notes that their early line-up was Merry Clayton, Lillie Fort, Jeanie Long, Gwen Berry, Vermettya Royster and Odia Coates. Merry Clayton was in the group on their first single, on MAN-CHILD. She'd left by the time they signed to A&M. Do these names jog any memories for you? | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 420 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.173.34 |
BOSS, Early in the girls career Fern & The Aprils (from what I've learned) first recordings was on Ran-Dee, a Chicago label. The group recorded as The Aprils the sides we're "Precious Love" b/w "I Want To Know", the follow up single was "Gotta Be In Love" b/w the re-release of "I Want To Know". Latter, they we're signed Mickey Stevenson's Venture label and record 4 sides in late 68 with "Love Has Joined Us Together" b/w "Show Me The Way" and their follow-up release sides with "So Much In Need" b/w "Show Me The Way". From what I know, and don't know if the girls reorded anything after Venture, or not? Except In the 70's as Sisters Love, they recorded tracks for the black action movie and the film's motion picture sdtrk THE MACK by Willie Hutch and various artist. If you look in my thread above this one you'll see the follow-up singles for reference. As The Sisters Love on A&M, Soul/R&B great Gene Chandler produced 2 sides on the girls. I recall another single by them on A&M that was produced, written & arranged by Willie Hutch. I recall at one time having this 2nd single, many moons ago. I vividly recall I had a single by them on CAL-STATE?, as I said it's been many moons ago I no longer have this particular single anymore. I do know they've recorded a lp (I think?) for RCA and some other major label, I know, cause I had the RCA lp once. I'm not aware of their MO-WEST single, singles or lp. Though, I had a couple of more sides from some indie labels in LA, but their other later indie singles from LA are far and foreign and obscure to me concerning these sides, Boss. I knew they we're still at it recording and going strong! I like said some things I know, some things I don't? However, I was not aware that Merry Clayton later on in their career, this is a revelation to me? You mean the same Merry Clayton that sanged in the late Ray Charles backup group The Raenets? Oh, ok. I happen to talk with another DJ friend of mine that airs on Saturday and Sunday while he was doing his show, and told him to click on the site. And I showed him this thread since I didn't knew anybody else around to ask. And he told me the lineup of the group is correct, and says he's got the promo single by Sisters Love on the MAN-Child label. I wanted to know Boss didn't this come out around mid-middle 70's, Boss was it 76-77 or 8? My DJ friend recollects this recording came out in the mid 70's? This label I seem to recall product being released in the mid 70's too, WMS label, huh? Yes, these names do jart a memory. Fern (ok), Lillie (ok), Jeanie (I made a mistake and spelled Joyce, ok), Gwen & Vermetta (I vividly do), Odia (kinda do, I heard she passed a few yrs ago...RIP). The other members I probably met once still is a blur. Don | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 377 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.228.221.59 |
Saxie Russell was also involved with a few records on Chicago's Ran-Dee label, and also had one of his own on that label. I can't look them up until November. Those records were out in 1963-64, I believe, around the same time as Fern and The Aprils. | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 374 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.152.20.71 |
I mentioned the Saxie Russell on Randee a while back......... mel | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 425 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.166.90 |
Larry recalls that Saxie Russell drove a cab and worked for a cab company married with a wife & kids, driving around The Gold Coast area here making stops & pickup's working the day shifts. A blues singer with a good voice. Larry, recalls that when it was time to cut a couple of sessions, since he was a cabbie and show up on time. He'd come in stay 2-3 hrs rehearse & record his sessions and go right back to work like nothing happen. Ran-Dee Records never even knew what he did for a living. He recalls meeting Saxie when he was 19 and Saxie was in his late 40's early 50's then. Says Saxie was down to earth and kept everybody in stitches, very humble, a down to earth dude and all around humble. Larry says, he couldn't understand why Ran-Dee or others, didn't give Saxie the push he needed. He coulda been big & one of the biggest names in the Chicago Blues Scene. Larry said he would help Saxie Russell rehearse for sessions. He also wants to let you know Mel and Robb, that if you fellas got any Ran-Dee sides by Saxie and if you both listen closely and hear a male bkgrd group accompanying Saxie, and he says it is his group. Sweet Home Chicago Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 426 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.166.90 |
Robb, it looks like Mel was right all along in his earlier thread up at top regards to Laura being unknowning group with the Kittens Three. Ruth Moore was the hook-up and the connection all along. Uh Huh. Don In Chi-Town | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 430 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.166.90 |
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Mark Speck (mark_speck) 4-Laureate Username: mark_speck Post Number: 72 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.159.137.219 |
I have a question for you, Don--just something I'm curious about. Marvelows--did they pronounce it 'MAR-vel-ows' or 'Mar-VEL-ows'? I've heard it both ways. Best, Mark | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 433 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.166.90 |
That's funny Mark. It's all pronounced the same. Don | ||
BOSS (boss) 3-Pundit Username: boss Post Number: 31 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.156.47.83 |
Don: I have in my notes that MAN-CHILD 5001 "This Time Tomorrow / I Know you love me" as being released in 1968. Merry Clayton was lead singer in the line-up for this release but left when they signed with A & M, for reasons unknown to me. CAL-STATE 3201 "Do It Right Now / Do It Right Now" was apparently recorded at the same session as the MAN-CHILD tracks in 1968 but the lead vocals were by Odia Coates. I think the release is the same track on both sides and was issued in 1972. MOTOWN 1275 "My Love Is Yours (Till The End Of Time) / You've Got My Mind" was produced by Gloria Jones and Willie Hutch. I will try and put some label scans up for you when I figure out the procedure again. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 386 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.136.196 |
Mark: I've heard it pronounced BOTH ways for BOTH the Chicago and L.A. groups. But, if I remember correctly, I remember the DJs pronouncing it more Mar-VEL-ows (if not ONLY) that way (at least for the Chicago group. | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 435 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.178.145 |
Hi Mark, I didn't see that single until the mid 70's, I worked at quite a few record stores back when. And maybe Mr. Rodger's had few things left over from the 60's that he wasn't aware of? I guess he thought he cleared alot of his expanded area, for what what new coming in. That's where I remembered it from, because I had the single at once before incuding SL's CAL-STATE single. Mark, at that time I was learning as I was working, you know, unloading, unpacking, stocking up shelves, making invortry, keeping track of what was sold/was was selling & at the same time, keeping my head in dem der books. Then I did know what labels and regoins we're records we're coming from, but what I knew then is totally different from what I know now, that's the only difference. Can you dig it. It never dawn on me until you brought this up that how the Marvelows name is pronouced, til now. Your right about that one. I know it's been a long time (not to mislead anybody) but I never Knew of a second group of Marvelows (I may have?) that we're from LA Mark. Another that was overlooked we're The Sisters Love's Mo-WEST single. Because I felt that Motown was releasing too much stuff and not promoting it wisely like what they did in the 70's & (and more so than ever in the) 80's. I didn't mention early I had that single too. I was able doing what I did was by keeping up with The Sisters Love totally. Alot of my collection are gone honestly stolen, along with my records etc, was list-sheets-discograhies and press numbers of stuff I acumulated over vast numbers over the yrs too. I wish I had all this. Then until the internet came along (and I'm still learning) and music site's like SD, I feel I'm at a total disadvantage. I don't want to brag, I was ahead of the game on keeping records and track on music before the net came along. Mark, I'm no expert or nothin'...are there any other places to look regarding info? Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 438 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.178.145 |
I told y'all there was a Chicago Connection. Don | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 378 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.240.96 |
Don your priceless thanks for the info on Saxie. Do you know of THE CONQISTADORS who recorded 'sadness and madness' on the Signett Label another Monk Higgins Production....... cheers detroit-Chi-mel-o-delphia..... . | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 379 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.240.96 |
That should be CONQUISTADORS mel | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 443 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.177.104 |
I didn't know Sisters Love's CAL-STATE & MAN-CHILD sides we're released around the same time? I was giving a copy when I was out west and I brought the MAN-CHILD. Actually, I tried to pay for their MAN-CHILD, but the shop's owner insisted otherwise. So Boss, these sides might have been after their stay at VENTURE? Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 456 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.186.204 |
Hi Melandthensome I was talking with Fuz just the other day and said The Conquistadors we're suppose to have did a show together around 68 with another group and a few singers on the bill. That night the Chicago riots broke out, and all the performer's on the show didn't show up, or couldn't make it to the show on time, and couldn't make it into town. I was told that The Conquistadors went on and did the show, and never got a chance to finish their set. Fuz and Larry recalls the group as being very cocky-young & aggresive and sure of themselfs. They recall The Conquistadors did make 1 or 2 Chi lp's?, and some singles. I think they disbanded after all of this. Both think they we're from either the northside or from the westside part of town? Chicago's Music Don | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 398 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.152.20.78 |
Thanks Don load smore to ask you later cheers chi-town-mel | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 398 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.137.72 |
What labels were The Conquistadors on? I seem to remember their name and seeing some records by them, but can't remember which. Of course, 1968 is already out of my knowledgeable period (which ended about '66-'67. | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 5-Doyen Username: mel Post Number: 402 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.129.172 |
Signett records was there 2 or more groups with this name as there is a detroit group etc not certain if therethe same. mel | ||
BOSS (boss) 3-Pundit Username: boss Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.92.43.4 |
Don: I think you misunderstood me. MAN-CHILD was released in 1968. CAL-STATE was released in 1972. But both releases were recorded at the same session in 1968. | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 459 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.52.77 |
Boss, I only answered the question as you presented it. Or maybe I didn't explain it right on a earlier in regards. Ok, you said Sisters Love' MAN-CHILD & CAL-STATE was recorded in 68, right?. Ok, I'm not doubting you there since you've done the research. All I'm saying is I did not know that? When I worked at a shop on the westside that had SL's CAL-STATE, ok. Now when I relocated to the southsids I worked at another shop, while I was in the back sorting & clearing out room in Mr. Rodger's huge storage room, and stumbled across the single, a few singles on the MAN-Child label. That was around from either 76-7 or 8. What I'm saying is, I know I kept up with alot of inventory but not this certain one. I did the best I could and had to my due with what I was working with, you know. Boss, another thing you may not know is. There was hardly big business or interest in the distributing arm in the record stores as far as indie labels went, if they (artist) we're with a major then that's a whole another story, my friend. With the indie's cropping up everywhere with no support & financal support. Label owners or employee's we're given the unceremonious task on going out on their own and trying to break the records. They'd come to the record shops, a DJ Friend, radio stations, record conventions, swap meets-the whole 9. Even if the records we're recorded a few yrs earlier, etc. I seen alot of times a records'll get played and when I'd hear them, I'll say "this is a smash and should be played", even without the major record companies full support. Then I'd say to myself if locally it'll get played enough by the DJ's on a heavy rotation, then maybe a majors will hear it and pick up on it. Some did some didn't Boss. I know the record biz as well as the record shops. I too had the pleasure and being fortunate to be around alot of personalities in the biz. From songwriters, arrangers, producers, artist, managers and owners whether it be the majors or independent smaller run labels. My heroes are Joshie Jo Armstead, Vivian, her husband & her brother Jimmy of VeeJay, Eddie Thomas & Curtis Mayfield of Curtom and various earlier labels they ran together, Wingate of Golden World/Ric Tic, etc., Thelma Coleman, Berry Gordy, Don Davis, Willie Hutch, HDH, W.M. Stevenson, Clive Davis, Blue Note, Prestige (I dug all the Gene Ammons stuff). I appreciated all the acheivements that Andre Harrell and Kader did while with Motown. Gamble & Huff, Muscle Sholes, STax/Volt--etc. Boss, I bet ya that the Sisters Love MAN-CHILD and CAL-STATE singles was probally was already pressed at the same time, and took an awful lot of time (in between) for someone to break the record, as to why it took so long. Don | ||
BOSS (boss) 3-Pundit Username: boss Post Number: 36 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.92.43.4 |
Don: I am sorry if I offended you with my last post, I didn't mean it that way. I fully agree with all of what you are saying and you are probably correct in your assumption of the MAN-CHILD and CAL-STATE discs. I agree with Mel, you are priceless and all your information is much appreciated. Just keep it coming! | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 469 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.52.77 |
No, not true Boss, I wasn't offended not all. Don | ||
Mark Speck (mark_speck) 4-Laureate Username: mark_speck Post Number: 80 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.188.136.13 |
Don--with regards to the Marvelows, yes, there was an equally nice vocal group out of L.A. called the Marvellos (note the different spelling). I'm surmising that the Marvelows added the 'Mighty' to their name to avoid any confusion. The L.A. act had a number of great releases on Loma, Warner Bros. and Modern. I just picked up their Modern 45, "In the Sunshine", yesterday--nice, happy, mid-tempo, summery song written by none other than the great Van McCoy and produced by Ed Cobb, the guy that wrote "Tainted Love". The flip, "Down in the City", is also good. I have their two singles for Loma, "Something's Burning" (no relation to the Kenny Rogers tune of the same name) and "You're Such a Sweet Thing", both of which are fantastic. These songs, plus their flips and a WB song, "Don't Play With My Heart", are all on the 2 CD Loma Records Story that Warner Archives released a while back. It's out-of-print, but you can probably still score a copy, and it's certainly worth the money! I also have another Warner Bros. single, "Piece of Silk", that I don't care for as much. Their Loma and WB sides were overseen by the great Willie Hutch, BTW. Best, Mark | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 143 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.33.204.224 |
Mark: The Marvellos are indeed a fine vocal group. Their single "In The Sunshine" was reissued on a Ace/Kent CD called "IMPRESSED! Groups Influenced By Curtis Mayfield & the Impressions". Check it out. Don: Email me sometime! (kevingoins@juno.com). I spoke to Eddie Thomas yesterday afternoon and he's doing fine. He's producing a new singing group and they sound great. Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 4-Laureate Username: kevgo Post Number: 144 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.33.204.224 |
BTW: Re: Wade Flemons and Earth, Wind & Fire. Wade teamed up with Maurice & Don Whitehead in 1969 as the Salty Peppers. They recorded "La La Time" which was picked up and released on Capitol Records. In 1970, Maurice, Wade & Don relocated to Los Angeles & formed the first incarnation of Earth Wind & Fire. The lineup consisted of Maurice (drums, vocals), Wade (keyboards, vocals), Don (keyboards, vocals), Verdine (bass), Sherry Scott (vocals), Michael Beal (guitar), Chet Washington (tenor sax), Alex Thomas (trombone) and Yackov Ben Israel (percussion). This lineup recorded three albums - Earth Wind & Fire (1970), The Need For Love (1971) and the soundtrack to Sweet Sweetback's Badass Song (1972) - before Maurice disbanded this incarnation. Don, the Latino guitarist you are probably referring to was Roland Bautista. He was on the group's first Columbia album "Last Days & Times" in late 1972 and he rejoined the group in 1981, replacing Al McKay (Roland was on the EW&F hits "Let's Groove" & "Fall In Love With Me"). Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Mark Speck (mark_speck) 4-Laureate Username: mark_speck Post Number: 82 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.159.86.99 |
Kev--since we're talking Ace/Kent CDs, the other side of the Marvellos' Modern 45, "Down in the City", is on the Kent disc "For Collectors Only" (which also features a great Bobby Eli-related tune in the Universals' "New Lease on Life"). Check that one out as well! Best, Mark | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 549 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.186.241 |
Ran-Dee was run by a fellow named Randy or it was named after his son. The son was a comedian. So when the son's career didn't pan out, I think the owner/father put his son in charge to head the company. I can't speak on all the various artist at Ran-Dee I'd have to go over it with some friends and musicians to ask. To Ran-Dee's credit as told to me, they we're a swinging company and very hip and was in tuned to what The Chicago music scene here was all about. Don | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 420 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.132.62 |
Hi Don. Ran-Dee had a sister label (subsidiary?) Markie. I'm guessing that Randy and Mark were the two sons of the owner. They had The Four Holidays (Jimmy Holland's group), among others on that label. | ||
Mark Speck (mark_speck) 4-Laureate Username: mark_speck Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.188.113.237 |
Who else was on Ran-Dee besides the Adventurers? Best, Mark | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 423 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.130.157 |
Mark: In addition to The Adventurers, The Vows (later Major's), Joyce Kennedy, Fern and The Aprils (Aprils), Saxie Russell, and a few other single artists (whom I can't recall, now, were on Ran-Dee. There were also several single artists and a few groups on Mar-Kie. I can't recall who right now. When I return to my 45s in November, I could make a list. I think a few bluesy soul artists were on Mar-Kie (including Jimmy Holland as a solo (really the Hollidays are doing BG) and, I believe James Bryant may have had one. Also, Harold Burrage had a record out on another, small Ran-Dee related label. I also have a group record on the "Marquee" label, which I suspect, may be the precurser of Mar-Kie (as Eastbound was to Westbound in Detroit) - (but not sure). | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 552 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.61.223 |
Hello Robb K, I heard that MAR-KIE was a brotherly label to RAN-DEE, I was told this once before. I actually didn't bring up MAR-KEE cause there was so much emphasis towards RAN-DEE. To be truthfull about it, I remembered a thread that you posted had alot of Chicago labels. When I seen the MAR-KEE label I was trying to ciper the label. Because the name looked quite filmiliar at first, at one time I had about 5-6 copies. I'm glad you got my noggin back to remembering cause I almost forgot about the MAR-KEE label. Robb,it could've been The Five Hoildays for all you or I know. Larry was in fact there so he should know. The Holidays or 4 Holidays that was a local group from the northsides, actually that was Larry's own group and was leader of. Unless there was a local group or somebody he knew close that adapted the name. Because the group I knew was Larry, James "Fat Brain" Simms (which later became the Vows-from Chicago), and James Bryant and Jimmy Holland. I can sum it up for you, what Larry was really saying him along with his old group sung on some of Saxie's sessions, and maybe "Fat Brain" too if there's a bassvocalist you'll hear in there. I recall that Melandthensome started a thread. And I stated that a guy Arnold and (I think James Byrant) sung on the RAN-DEE sides with Vows. Burl Bynum was never around although Bynum was apart of the group? The Adventures we're based from Milwalkee. There's not much Larry recall about The Adventures, except he met them and thought The Adventures we're a decent group. Sure, I knew James Byrant cut sides for RAN-DEE & Bob Lee's RENEE label too. I have to thank Mel for jarggin the old memory cap of James' RENEE sides PS Robb, I thought this threas was finish til you brought something forward regarding Chicago Soul, I appreciate it. Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 563 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.61.223 |
Ok, Larry's group locally we're known as The Holidays and/or The 4 Holidays. I'm not disagree-ing I'm trying to it get it straight here. As far as The Saxie Russell sessions went, I was right. Larry would still sing The Holidays or 4H while he was with The Vows, and he'd shift back for awhile. When the other guys felt there wasn't enough action in Chicago and thought Detroit was the place to go. Larry wanted to go to Vagas while the others wanted to do the R&B/Soul thing. I Know it was with James and James with the other group of guys, I learned later the other 2 guys would be J.J. Barnes and Edwin Starr, and Maybe James Bryant split from the group probally by this time, I'm not sure Robb? And, yes, I heard about the work and other bkgrd vocal sessions they've done. The name came from Chicago and tooken to Detroit. I know all about the fellas calling themself The Holidays, 4 Holidays and The New Holidays. Those names was already thought out. Also The Debonairs that came from the south subburbs, and fact there was no two groups calling themselfs by the name, that we're a group of guys then picked up guys from Detroit. Well. Larry started the group in 1956 and yeah both James's we're in the group along with bassist and bass vocalist James Simms, "Fat Brain" known who knew him. | ||
Mark Speck (mark_speck) 4-Laureate Username: mark_speck Post Number: 95 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.48.134.3 |
OK, here's a harder question: are the Adventurers on Ran-Dee any relation to the act(s) of the same name that recorded for Compass, Music World and Blue Rock? I would suspect not (think of how many different Inspirations groups there are, for example), but ya never know... Best, Mark | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 137 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.10 |
Hi Mark, I'd say no - from checking writer credits to see if there's any links it looks to me as if there were three different groups called The Adventurers in the sixties. The group on Compass, Music World and Blue Rock seem to be from the East Coast and had been around for a long time - they'd recorded as far back as '61 for Columbia and almost incredibly actually had an album released. Album releases for R&B groups was rare enough back then but for a group who'd never had a hit to have an album on a major like Columbia intrigues me. I've known of it's existence for years but have never once seen it on a sales list - must be one of the rarest R&B albums ever and extraordinarily it got released in the UK. I'm on the hunt for more info. Then there's the Ran-Dee Adventurers who seem to have been a one-shot group recordwise. Then there's what I suspect is a third group who had a single in '66 on Reading. I don't know where they came from and haven't been able to track down anything on them. They MIGHT have been from Western Pennsylvania (I'm thinking the label's named for the town) but that's pure guesswork. if somebody could give me the writer and production credits fro their single it might give me a lead. The single was "Baby, BAby, My Heart" / "LOver Doll" (Reading 602) - released 12/66 according to "Soul Harmony Singles" It's been said in a few Goldmine CD notes that Greg Perry of Hot Wax fame was in the Compass/ Music World/Blue Rock group. That's an incorrect assumption - the "G Perry" in their writer credits is Gerald Perry who as far as I know unrelated to GReg or Jeff Perry. I'm working on a discography of the various groups which I'll post soon ... famous last words :-) Davie | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 428 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.147.225 |
Don: Are you SURE that the Adventurers on Ran-Dee were from Milwaukee? Maybe it was just that they were from out of town (not from Chicago) (e.g. their record was a master from NY that was leased by Ran-Dee. Their Ran-Dee record was produced (arranged?) by Herb Bernstein, who worked out of NYC. Wasn't The Adventurers' record on Blue Rock produced and arranged by Paul Leka? He was working out of the East Coast NYC, I believe?). That makes it look possible that the Ran-Dee group is the same one as the Blue Rock group (but out of the East Coast. (Message edited by Robb_K on August 08, 2004) | ||
BOSS (boss) 3-Pundit Username: boss Post Number: 39 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.92.56.166 |
Davie Gordon: According to Fuzz Acid & Flowers web site at http://www.soybomb.com/Borderl ineBooks/us6070s/ The Adventurers on READING were a garage band from Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 574 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.35.211 |
Robb K, I'm not speaking for me. I asked Lester what he recall of The Adventures. The group he recalls we're a vocal group. Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 586 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.189.112 |
Robb K, you we're right. Lester does remember seeing The Adventures harmonize before, and said they coulda been a good vocal group and could play some Blues/R&B. Still your talking 40-41 yrs ago Robb. I was like "now you tell me". Don in Chi | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 154 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.10 |
Thanks, Boss - and thanks for the link to Fuzz, Acid and Flowers as it's inaccessible at it's old address. Davie | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 442 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.228.220.175 |
Davie must be correct, that The New York group onn Blue Rock, Music World and Compass was NOT the Ran-Dee group (IF lLester saw the Ran-Dee group in Chicago). Still, their working with Herb Bernstein is a clue to me that they went to NY to record. If so, it seems that Ran-Dee probably bought or leased the master. I find it hard to believe that a little label like Ran-Dee would send a group signed to them, to NYC to record. | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 161 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.10 |
Robb, it's also hard to believe that a New York producer who even back in 62-63 had deals with NY labels would place a master with a tiny Chicago indie that never had more than a local hit. How would Bernstein have even heard of the Ran-Dee label ? Probably one of those mysteries that'll never be solved. DAvie | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 613 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.183.49 |
Davie, I think I know where you are going with the question Davie. The producer in question you say and probally some others from NYC, where hired by Ran-dee to head their production staff. And like others brought along other artists, see that is the connection right there Davie. Ban-dee may of been a small indie label, but what you don't know is that Ran-dee had the MONEY!! Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 617 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.36.23 |
My earlier comments may of seemed confusing, a bit contrary and somewhat hard to understand. I was asked questions my friends and myself answered to the best of our ability, and also speaking for myself with some help of their value-able in depth info. Like I said before, I'll sat it again we are still talking o'vr 30-40 yrs of music, comrodorie and close bonds with artist and other singers that's mentioned on this thread. Also myself also was trying to think of another female group. Incidently between Kodoks, Kittens or 3K and/or K3, SILK, Peaches there was Krystal Generation too. Don | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 461 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.128.248 |
Davie and Don: Often the connection between producers in one city and labels in another happened because of a connection between mutual friends or acquaintences. Some people meet at a party, mentioning their group has a song they're doing well with, or "my nephew has a group". The producer says, "send me a tape", or Joe Blo sends a tape of his cousin's group to his friend's uncle in NY. Or, sometimes a group went to NY for a week to try their luck, and they actually get seen by a producer. Sometimes, even a NY group that had no luck in their home town (NY, Chi. Phil. ) might be visiting family in another city, and have a loose connection to a producer in that other city. They might just run in and record a couple of songs. | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 620 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.182.105 |
And I understand and appreciate it Robb really. Because The fellow that David talks of that Ran-dee hire and leased NY product for their company was the guy that produced alot of The Dixie Cups recordings. The Dixie Cups we're the first the first black female vocal group then. If you any disagree talk to Lampskin about and I'll relay the message, ok. Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 667 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.172.70 |
Yeah, KevGo, I thought EW&F we're with WB then with Columbia now back again with the WB label. Don CHGO | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2068 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Now, I have a Twinight Records CD & there's some great music on it by some unsung artists. There's a group called The Kaldirons who have a song named To Love Somesome, which is a sweet soul ballad. Then, there's The Mystiques, who made a song called So Good To Have You Home Again. Jimmy Jones has a song called Yesterday's Mistakes. Nate Evans has a song named Main Squeeze & Elvin Spencer has a song Lift This Hurt. To me, the standout cut of the CD is Josephine Taylor & the outstanding ballad, I Made Up My Mind. I absolutely love this song. I can't understand how this song wasn't a hit. I love it. Does anyone have any info about these folks & can someone tell me what happened with the Josephine Taylor ballad? Her song was very much in tune with the soulful ballads of that era. What happened? | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 484 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.232.147.115 |
Juice, is that Josephine Taylor cut the same song as the one sung by The Cheers on Okeh? Who were the writers? Who produced it. I wonder if those were all Twinight productions. I'm guessing it was recorded in 1968 or 1969? Any info would be appreciated. | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 668 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.160.153 |
Juice & Robb, I had sides by The Mystiques, Kaldirons and Nate Jones and the other artist you mention Juice on Twinight and the sister label Twilight once before. I always thought The Twinight compliation was pretty good when I heard it 5-6 yrs ago. I think it's still in print but can still order it from the music shop, much quicker. I do know that Josephine lives east form where I live. Josephine's version of "I've made up my mind" was written by Greg Watts and Donny Hathaway. Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 669 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.160.153 |
If you guys have any other sides by "Jo" on Twinight and other labels she's recorded for The Majors/Vows did bg voc on sessions for her. they all recorded in the same building together on Waldon & Rush originally. Don | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 6-Zenith Username: mel Post Number: 452 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.152.20.86 |
hopefully heres a pic mel | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 6-Zenith Username: mel Post Number: 453 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.152.20.86 |
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Heikki (heikki) 4-Laureate Username: heikki Post Number: 118 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.17.193.223 |
Hi Juicefree20, I talked to Elvin Spencer back in '96 right after his Goldwax cd (Picking Up The Pieces), and here's some info in brief: - born in Memphis on August 15, 1948 "I'd sing in a church in Memphis, Tennessee. I'd also sing at a radio station over there, when me and my brother William were like six or seven. It was just the two of us, and we had a piano player from the church that we attended." - his brother later also released a single called Too Many Lovers as Shack Spencer in the late 60s. - first group the Belltones, while still at school - While in service Elvin was stationed in Germany and gigged around with his group, the Soul Mates -> from Germany to Chicago - in 1970 the first single for Bill Meeks' Winner Records: Lift This Hurt/Don't Make This Dream Come True. "I wrote those tunes while I was in service. When the company went out of business, they sold my contract to Twinight Records. - next on Twinight in '71 a deepie called You're Being Unfair (b/w Lift This Hurt). This was re-released in early 90s on Elvis' own E.S.Cosy Records - next with a group called The Chosen Few and a few singles in the 70s (not the 60s group, The Chosen Few) - in the 80s and 90s mainly performing around Mid-West waiting for the contract with Chi-Sound to expire (with The Chosen Few). -> to Goldwax Best regards Heikki | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 670 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.36.143 |
Juice, You make a good point. It was due to not getting the radio-play in part to records already being played on the chart, and was overloaded with the records already being played, that there wasn't enough room time wise on the schedule. Also the truth about it came from alot of certain radio programers about not caring for certain product for which the music came from the labels. That's why alot of great music was overlooked and artist not getting there due, and for whatever reason the powers that be of their hangup was, was the real reason. Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 671 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.36.143 |
Robb, "I've made up my mind" was written by G.-Watts and D. Hathaway...The flip side "Is it worth a chance" was written by Carl Wright, the owner of the Twinight & Twilight labels. Both sides we're produced by Syl Johnson for A Syl Johnson Prod, which was Carl Wright's main artist, songwriter and producer. Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 672 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.36.143 |
Nice pic of the Major IV's Venture single Mel. Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 673 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.77.36.143 |
Hello Heikki, I liked your interview incerpt with Elvin Spencer. Don | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2080 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Heikki, Don & Robb K, Thanks a lot for your info. It is greatly appreciated. I did love that Twinight Cd. I'd never heard most of those songs before. But, I fell in love with the Joesephine Taylor & Kaldirons cuts. | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 683 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.58.219 |
That's alright Juicefree20. Don Chicago | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 6-Zenith Username: mel Post Number: 477 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.42.211.225 |
 Wade Flemons | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 687 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.167.159 |
Hey Mel, now I remember that face! Don | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 690 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.167.159 |
Lester says the same thing. Don | ||
mel(andthensome) (mel) 6-Zenith Username: mel Post Number: 503 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.152.20.90 |
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mel(andthensome) (mel) 6-Zenith Username: mel Post Number: 504 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.152.20.90 |
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Mark Speck (mark_speck) 4-Laureate Username: mark_speck Post Number: 170 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.159.86.99 |
Love the scans, Mel! Best, Mark | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 701 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.177.246 |
Hi Mel, The Kittens "I Got To Know Him" was one of my favorite sides by them. I did not know that "IS It Over Baby? was your favorite. I like the flip side titled "Undecided You". The year was 1964 right? Don | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 494 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.228.217.86 |
"Is it over Baby" was out in 1965. 1964 started still in the 10500s ("I'm So Proud"-Impressions), and went into only the early 10600s. "I Got To Know Him" was probably recorded in 1964. From the look of the master numbers, I would say "Is It Over Baby" was recorded in 1965. | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 705 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.177.246 |
Thanks Robb you's alright, thank you man, thank you. I also dug your knowledge on KABLE RECORDS. Don |
