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RoseyK. (roseyk)
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Username: roseyk

Post Number: 2
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 152.163.252.200
Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 7:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Everyone...
I am a relatively new poster here, although I've been reading for a while. I've only posted once or twice. Very informative here. I just have a question that I'm hoping someone can answer. Does anyone know the month day and year that Motown 25 aired? Thanks to anyone who can help.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20

Post Number: 1164
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 8:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Rosey,

The air date was May 16 1983. Here's a link, Michaels' woonwalk was one of the Top 100 TV Moments: http://www.scrubbles.net/jukeb ox/tvmoments.html
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RoseyK. (roseyk)
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 8:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Juicefree,
I knew someone here would know. Amazing.
I also noticed on that list that Diana Ross reaching out and shoving Mary Wilson was a favorite moment too. LOL #93
OH How I would LOVE to see footage of that.
Thanks again!
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Wonder B (wonder_b)
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Username: wonder_b

Post Number: 463
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.50.37.26
Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 3:34 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

RoseyK if you want the tape, DVD or even laserdisc of this show, they're popping up every week on Ebay...
Check here...
http://search.ebay.com/motown- 25_W0QQcatrefZC3QQfromZR2

Wonder B
If you mess with the 'fro, you gotta go!
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Uptight (uptight)
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Username: uptight

Post Number: 78
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.55.0.68
Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 3:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's odd that they list the "shoving" incident as a favorite "TV moment" when it was never shown on TV..!
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RoseyK. (roseyk)
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Username: roseyk

Post Number: 5
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 205.188.116.13
Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 7:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wonder B, I have a copy of Motown 25 but thanks for the info. I was talking about the shoving incident between Diana and Mary and how I would have liked to have seen that. Uptight, I thought the same thing. How in the world can it be a greatest TV moment and nobody watching tv saw it LOL
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Wonder B (wonder_b)
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Username: wonder_b

Post Number: 470
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.128.156.121
Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 3:36 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK RoseyK, my mistake... LOL
I guess that incident will (and couldn't) not be included in any official release... after all this was to promote the idea that Motown was a big family so that sc ene surely didn't go to well with the intended purpose...

Wonder B
If you mess with the 'fro, you gotta go!
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Jimmy Mack (luke)
5-Doyen
Username: luke

Post Number: 313
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.198.48.201
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 9:19 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They may also have been referring to the studio audience who saw it but it is misleading to say on tv.(Did anyone here attend Motown 25?) VH1 did top 40 celeb. feuds-I only saw top 8--#1 is Van Halen; did anyone see the whole show?Are Mary and Diana on it? DOes anyone understand why Motwon/BMG etc doesnt release some dvs of Motown shows???????
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Uptight (uptight)
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Username: uptight

Post Number: 90
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.55.0.68
Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2004 - 12:42 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Remember Motown/UMG don't own all those TV shows. I doubt UMG has any of the TV specials we fans are really waiting to see. Mr. Gordy and Ms. de Passe own a few of them, and other people own rights to some others.
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Jimmy Mack (luke)
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Username: luke

Post Number: 318
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.198.48.201
Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2004 - 11:27 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok so why dont they release em and make money??
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Michael/Cleoharvey (cleoharvey)
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Username: cleoharvey

Post Number: 34
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.172.87.194
Posted on Sunday, July 04, 2004 - 11:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was at the Motown 25 (I was doing a show in LA at the time) and saw the famous shoving incident. Although Suzanne DePasse explains the incident as a "misunderstanding" between Mary Wilson and Diana Ross about sequence, it did not look that way from the audience. I can still remember the look on Mary Wilson's face when the incident happened. There were other odd happenings involving Diana at Motown 25 that nobody seems to remember or talk about. She wandered on stage during Adam Ant's rendition of Where Did Our Love Go which was clearly not scheduled. Adam Ant was surprised and was upstaged. She also came into the audience and asked Miss T (Ashford & Simpson's assistant) whether she had a comb!! I was sitting nearby and this seemed very odd. She also seemed to be having a problem remembering lyrics during her and The Supremes segments. Not to bash Diana (Lord knows that has been done enough) but there was a lot more going on during that Motown 25 than the shove. With recent news of the past few years regarding Diana's "addiction" problems, we may have the answer to the behavior.
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Jimmy Mack (luke)
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Username: luke

Post Number: 328
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.198.48.201
Posted on Sunday, July 04, 2004 - 11:50 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks MIchael--did the shoving and the microphone incident happen per the books?Gasps in audience?(What the heck did DePAsse mean about sequencing?Has Diana ever commented on the shove publicly?) I remember reading Diana arrived with a bottle of liquer at rehearsals. I wonder if people had any idea back then she was in trouble with alcohol if she indeed was back then. Its amazing it was hidden for over 20 years or more tho denial is strong.
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Michael/Cleoharvey (cleoharvey)
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Username: cleoharvey

Post Number: 35
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.172.87.145
Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 11:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Suzanne DePasse has said there was a certain order that the show was supposed to follow and that Mary misunderstood what that order was supposed to be and attempted to introduce Berry Gordy from the audience. Diana was only putting her hand on Mary to stop her from going out of of the planned order. To those of us in the audience it did not seem that way at all (and if you watch the show this explanation seems odd). It appeared as though Diana was faltering on the lyrics and Mary was attempting to help her and lead the song ("Someday" as I remember). That was when the shove happened and there were gasps all over the auditorium. Diana may have been bothered because Mary Wilson and Cindy Birdsong played a trick at Motown 25 that they used to play when they were in Diana Ross & The Supremes. Towards the end, Diana did not always rehearse with Mary & Cindy. When they would do a sound check they would sing very quietly, which caused the sound people (of whatever venue they were playing) to think that Mary & Cindy had no vocal power and then the sound men woud turn their level up. So, when Diana, Mary, and Cindy would finally get together they would come booming out of the mix which made Diana crazy (she had always complained or threw tantrums about how loud Mary, Cindy, or Florence were). At Motown 25 Mary was as loud as Diana and when she attempted to "help" she was shoved. This is the way it appeared to most of the people sitting there... the ultimate insult to the "sexy" one.

Afterwards, Dionne Warwick was overheard saying to Mary Wilson, "You should have knocked her ass in the pit!!" No matter what Diana was trying to do the appearance of it was very bad.
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Jimmy Mack (luke)
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Username: luke

Post Number: 340
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.198.48.201
Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 11:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL-Lets hear it for Dionne! Thanks for info. Never knew about all the other micorphone stuff. Miss DePAsse tries to explain the Berry incident but how does she explain Diana shoving Mary? Denial is strong. I there any explaination per Diana faltering per the lyrics? I tought DePasse was fair -apparently not to Mary.

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