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DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 600 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.198
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 2:51 pm: �� | ��� |
I just wonder what are you all listing to of todays artists...I cant figure out what the heck is happening to music so I retreat to my classic soul which never gets tiresome...My daughter says 'Ma, did you hear blah blah's song?' and although she is very much into classic soul, becasue of her age, party music for her is a little different. Ok - R Kelly with the Happy People song has me at the ledge now...he capitalized with the Step song and the sound seems to be going on too long now... MArio Winans 'I Dont Wanna Know' - Well the title kind of sets the agenda at hand...HE comes fro mthe biggest Gospel family I know and Im trying to figure out what happened...I am tired of his song because that music was used by the Fugees in their attempt at 'Ready or Not'...help.... I am not going to discuss Rap. No, you cant make me. What's up ya'll? Am I the 'Eleanor Rigby' of Soul? |
zebop (zebop) 3-Pundit Username: zebop
Post Number: 45 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.13
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 3:16 pm: �� | ��� |
I hate neo-soul. For the most part it's poorly recorded, the singers aren't of the standard of the earlier acts. It's just BS to me--every act that I was told would be "great" or the "next best thing" never panned out. I don't think I'll ever like it... |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 604 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.198
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 3:23 pm: �� | ��� |
..all I hear is a syncopated drum beat...an over dubbed guitar riff...off key background singers... fake fake fake... (Message edited by westside314 on June 14, 2004) |
Livonia Ken (livonia_ken) 3-Pundit Username: livonia_ken
Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 136.1.1.101
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 3:38 pm: �� | ��� |
Check out Van Hunt's self-titled debut. There is hope. Ricky Fant� is a very good singer, too. I saw him do an in-store at a local Borders books and was impressed with his ability to sing live. Unfortunately, whle he has an EP out, his album release is being held up. It seems his songwriting partner "lifted" a few melodies without proper credit, and they are taking some time to sort it all out. There may be other reasons for the delay, too. Regards, Ken |
the crazy dutchman (andreas) 3-Pundit Username: andreas
Post Number: 60 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 62.194.16.136
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 4:36 pm: �� | ��� |
I noticed that most SDr's dislike NEW music! I have read various threads and I disagree with most of you. Not everything is crap, period! We cannot compare yester year and legends like say Marvin, Donny, Patti, Otis (etc) with today�s artists (as far as we can call them artists). Today�s acts receive little to no budget to cut a decent record, fact! Back then there were hundreds of labels willing to sign new talent - something, which is unthinkable today. There are only a few labels and distributors left. These few GIGANTS control the market (including US radio), with no interest to sign new talent. So what happens if you are an upcoming artist today? Or what happens if you are an established artist ignored by the major label who you have helped to build? You start your own independent label (or sign with a small indie label instead). Most of these independently produced records are really not that bad. Not every independent artist can afford live instrumentation (or have their record properly arranged and produced) but to say that everything is crap is not fair, especially if most people, especially my friends in the US have not even heard some of these records before. In other words there are still quality records produced today, unfortunately you don�t get to hear them on US radio today. I�m going out for a bite but when I come back I will recommend some artists, all worthy your attention and support. LOL Andreas www.thesoulofamsterdam.com |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 612 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 149.174.164.24
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:00 pm: �� | ��� |
Aw shut up Dutchman....lol...music today SUCKS. we know we are suffering over here in the US....lol... |
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b
Post Number: 440 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.248.133.16
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:07 pm: �� | ��� |
I have to agree Dyva... I have been searching high and low on the net and mind you I spend hours on CD baby (one of the only sites where you can find nothing but independent productions), and if I have found some great stuff in the jazz department, I must say that most fo the so called neo-soul artists pale in comparison of their elders... for the most part, those who are mentioned most of the time, are merely imitating either Marvin or some other legend... you'd be hard pressed to find one who has a truly new style. And Andreas, you are right in saying that most artists can't afford live instruments, but sometimes it really sounds so cheap... it's unbearable. Wonder B If you mess with the 'fro, you will be kabongged! (Message edited by Wonder_B on June 14, 2004) |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 617 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 149.174.164.24
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:18 pm: �� | ��� |
Damn right WONDER B! KABONGG HIM LIKE IT IS! LOL!!!!!!! |
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b
Post Number: 444 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.248.133.16
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:21 pm: �� | ��� |
LOOOOOL But I thought only women had the right to kabongg here????!!!! LOOOOL Oh well! Wonder B If you mess with the 'fro, you will be kabongged! |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 619 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 149.174.164.24
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:24 pm: �� | ��� |
Well B, When ther is a rescue mission, we let the men on in...Get medival on his noggin'...lol...PS, that all woman thing is a sick fantasy of Ralph's...lol...we are working on him too....lol... |
Moe (moe) 4-Laureate Username: moe
Post Number: 150 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.219.162.219
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:29 pm: �� | ��� |
Dyva, at times Ralph is beyond help!! |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 621 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 149.174.164.24
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:32 pm: �� | ��� |
ha! but we are on him, aint we...lol... |
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b
Post Number: 448 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.248.133.16
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:33 pm: �� | ��� |
OWWWWW! I see now! I like to get medieval too! hahaha this thread is too much for me! LOL So Ralph has got to get a grip on himself too... What in the world have you done to him!??? Wonder B If you mess with the 'fro, you will be kabongged! |
Ralph Terrana (ralph)
Moderator Username: ralph
Post Number: 318 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.63
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:34 pm: �� | ��� |
Yeah Moe, I am but a mere mortal, even though I am Alpha. |
Moe (moe) 4-Laureate Username: moe
Post Number: 151 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.219.162.219
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:35 pm: �� | ��� |
Yes, Dyva, we have Ralph's number............ and you better watch Wonder B, we'll have yours soon, too!!! |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 622 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 149.174.164.24
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:35 pm: �� | ��� |
He has these ...well um...fetishes that he acts out occasionally...look at the latter posts on SDA4 and El Kabongge threads...you'll see...lol... 'Mess with the locks and you will kabongg-socked!' |
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b
Post Number: 450 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.248.133.16
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:40 pm: �� | ��� |
OK Moe no need to w<oprk too hard on this! I'll give it to ya... my phone number is 33+04 57..... LOL Wonder B If you mess with the 'fro, you will be kabongged! |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 625 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 149.174.164.24
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:44 pm: �� | ��� |
Yeah the B miester is acting up kinda sorta....B, chill! |
Rodmann (rodmann) 5-Doyen Username: rodmann
Post Number: 187 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.221.220.110
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:48 pm: �� | ��� |
I'm with you Dyva! Neo-Soul is nothing more than a group of lackluster singers who's idea of Soul Music is impersonating Roberta Flack and Stevie Wonder while wearing headwraps, dashikis, dreads and afros! GIVE ME A BREAK! If these artists want to identify themselves with Classic Soul artists like Patti LaBelle, Aretha Franklin and Donny Hathaway then they need to BRING IT! Alicia Keys, Jill Scott, Erykah Badu and Musiq Soulchild just aren't cuttin' it! And let's not even get into today's mainstream R&B! I don't know why they even bother to call it R&B anymore. The Rhythm & The Blues have been gone for years! Today's black music should be called Hip-Hop Pop or Hip-Pop because that's all we're getting. You know it's a sad state of affairs when mediocre vocalists like Beyonce and Usher are considered the best thing to happen to R&B in years. It's pathetic! Dutchman, come to America, take a listen to any "Urban" radio station playing today's hits or watch a few hours of BET and then try to tell us that "most of today's Black music isn't crap" without bursting into laughter! LOL. I'm not sure how the record labels can claim that they can't afford live instrumentation but they give The Neptunes, Timberland, Lil' Jon, Missy Elliot the other so called "producers" of today millions of dollars to give us crappy beats that consist of nothing more than a beat machine and a few notes on the keyboard! The public is so used to trash that they wouldn't know quality production if you hit them over the head with it! Every now and then you get a good singer like Lil' Mo, Anthony Hamilton and Tamia but they get crappy production and material. Every time I see or hear Usher or non-singing Ashanti I run and put on a Sweet Inspirations or Roy Ayers CD! It's the only way I convince myself that people did make good music with excellent singers at one time. |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 628 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 149.174.164.24
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 7:54 pm: �� | ��� |
Usher's butt needs to be USHERED off the radio...'one note Norris', I call him...I also call it 'Ghetto Chanting'...this aint singing....AUUUGH! |
Rodmann (rodmann) 5-Doyen Username: rodmann
Post Number: 190 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.221.220.110
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 8:01 pm: �� | ��� |
Whew! LOL. You said it Dyva! Usher and Beyonce aren't selling talent, they're selling beefcake and cheesecake! I doubt that they'd be as popular as they are if they looked like Barry White or Nell Carter! (No offense Barry & Nell. You two had more talent in your little fingers than these two clowns have in their whole body! RIP!) |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 632 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 149.174.164.24
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 8:05 pm: �� | ��� |
Ha! No harm no foul...but the truth is the LIGHT...and speaking of light...did you happen to notice Beyonce is looking more and more each day like...well...never mind... |
Rodmann (rodmann) 5-Doyen Username: rodmann
Post Number: 191 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.221.220.110
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 8:26 pm: �� | ��� |
LMAO! Like who? J-Lo? I'll tell you what makes me angry. Can you believe that Usher is the first artist to have 3 Top 10 singles at the same time with the crap that he's released off of his latest album? He's already a mediocre vocalist and he's having big hits with garbage songs like 'Yeah'? Whew! I'm through with today's music! I'm convinced that the people could care less about vocal talent and good songs anymore. It's all about a cool image. The bar just keeps getting set lower and lower. It's unreal. Take a peek at what's considered musical talent nowadays: http://www.billboard.com/bb/ch arts/singles_index.jsp |
the crazy dutchman (andreas) 3-Pundit Username: andreas
Post Number: 61 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 62.194.16.136
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 9:17 pm: �� | ��� |
Rodmann you haven't been listening LOL I'm well aware of the music industry and US radio. As a matter of fact I manage several US artists and I wasn�t referring to the USHERS, AHANTIS, NEPTUNES, TIMBERLANDS, THE ELLIOTS, etc (which indeed are not refreshing to my ears either)! Like I said in the beginning of my post... some of you are NOT into new music, no matter what! It seems you have already made up your mind based on what you hear on a daily basis. I'm NOT referring to major label stuff, the USHERS, AHANTIS, NEPTUNES, TIMBERLANDS, THE ELLIOTS, etc - I'm not referring to NEO SOUL either (hence the majority of acts hate the term neo-soul!). As I�ve tried to explain in my post, there is plenty of quality (new) music available if you know where to look. Don't mind what you read in Vibe, see on BET, hear on local radio (plus the majors who force us to consume their C'RAP')!! If you let me I would like to drop some names whom I think you would enjoy. You can't say I don't like cheese if you never tasted it!! LOL |
SoniT (sonit) 2-Debutant Username: sonit
Post Number: 24 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.140.132.102
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 9:23 pm: �� | ��� |
Not all "neo-soul" music is bad. I love Anthony Hamilton, Rhiann Benson, Kem, Kindred the Family Soul, Jill Scott, Ledisi, Musiq Soulchild (he's OK), Vivian Greene, Angie Stone and Carl Thomas -- to name a few. I don't consider Usher, Beyonce, Mario Winans, etc. to be "neo-soul" artists. I like R. Kelly's music but I agree that he's going overboard with the "steppin" songs. Happy People sounds a little too much like Step in the Name of Love. |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 637 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 9:29 pm: �� | ��� |
Look here, 'Double Dutch'...drop the darn names...cause I aint hearing NOTHING I like...Sonit said it best...one more 'step' song and Im protesting the stations...and dont hold out, give the information...if you know some worth while artist..'GET TO TELLIN'.... |
the crazy dutchman (andreas) 3-Pundit Username: andreas
Post Number: 62 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 62.194.16.136
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 9:44 pm: �� | ��� |
LOL DyvaNaye! I'll drop some names tomorrow (as it's 3:45 in the morning here in Amsterdam). |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 640 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 9:51 pm: �� | ��� |
Oh my bad...GO TO BED...lol.... |
Boynextdoor (boynextdoor) 3-Pundit Username: boynextdoor
Post Number: 47 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.165.87.150
| Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 10:56 pm: �� | ��� |
I think Alicia Keys is a poor man's somebody? A pretty girl, but, can't sing. I don't like her material, either. I've tried and tried to like her and started wondering why I was trying so hard. I think it's because I keep thinking there MUST be some new artists out there. But, I come up empty handed. If Beyonce kept her clothes on and her booty out of the camera....would she be as big as she is? Don't know. Apparently the voice alone can no longer sell records! I'll take my hard earned money and buy my old stuff and hear really good music. Happy with the old....out with the new! Bah Humbug! |
Rodmann (rodmann) 5-Doyen Username: rodmann
Post Number: 192 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.221.220.110
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 12:00 am: �� | ��� |
Boxnextdoor, you hit the nail on it's head! I did the same thing with Musiq Soulchild, Jill Scott, Erykah Badu and Alicia Keys. I looked, searched and made myself try to find soul and talent that wasn't there until I had to stop and ask myself "WHY?"! Why should I go out of my way to look for artists that ONLY HINT at Classic Soul. It's much easier to just listen to the real thing! Andreas, I have been listening! LOL. I didn't say that you were suggesting that we listen to the "USHERS, AHANTIS, NEPTUNES, TIMBERLANDS, THE ELLIOTS, etc" but I used them to make my point. Those are the type of clowns that U.S. Soul fans are told to make due with. I just happen to prefer Classic Soul music with live instrumentation and singers that could actually sing and did it with Soul! SoniT, I wasn't saying that Usher, Beyonce, Mario Winans (With his non-singing azz. The vocal talent in that family must've skipped his generation!), etc are Neo-Soul artists but their really isn't much difference between a mainstream R&B artist and a Neo-Soul artist. The only differences that I see is that Neo-Soul artists wear dreads and afros instead of weaves and fades and traded in their booty shorts and throwback jerseys for African Moo-Moos and dashikis! The music is still the same Hip-Hop Pop! Some of today's singers that I think can actually sing are Tamia, Lil' Mo, Anthony Hamilton, Jaheim, Faith Evans, Sunshine Anderson and Angie Stone (not a great singer but she is soulful). The problem is the material and production. The major record labels insist on giving everyone the same cheapjack, generic drum machine and sample Hip-Hop beats with chitty lyrics. IT'S EITHER HIP-HOP/POP OR NOTHIN'! The labels need to take the young singers that can actually sing, get them in the studio with live bands and have real musicians and arrangers like Mtume, Roy Ayers, Isaac Hayes, Bobby Womack, Marcus Miller, Richard Rudolph and Bobby Eli show them how it's done! Hell will freeze over before that happens though! |
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 508 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 70.16.141.148
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 12:27 am: �� | ��� |
Most of today's "music" SUCKS, period. Musiq's range is 2 and one half NOTES. And he needs a 'fashion" makeover Usher is a total joke, and he needs an attitude makeover, same thing with Kanye West. Ashanti's days are numbered. She might as well sell that hideous Maybach 62 now, she'll need the cash. Jaheim sounds like a foghorn J Ho ahem J lo What???????? Once again, most of todays "music" SUCKS...period!!!! BTW, thanks for the kind words Rodmann!! |
Rodmann (rodmann) 5-Doyen Username: rodmann
Post Number: 195 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.221.220.110
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 12:54 am: �� | ��� |
Awwww you know I got your back Mr. Eli. I really wish that experienced "Studio Rats" like you and the others I named had more involvement in today's so called R&B. It would be a lot easier to listen to! LOL. |
Chi Drummer (chidrummer) 2-Debutant Username: chidrummer
Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 24.14.41.10
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 2:49 am: �� | ��� |
I simply wish that some of these newbies would discover chord progressions in a major key, Melodies and (gasp!)counter melodies. I do realize I'm asking a lot from a group of performers who for the most part never learned to PLAY anything. They did seem to learn how to dance though.... |
K-Bee (kbee) 2-Debutant Username: kbee
Post Number: 29 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 129.142.211.170
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 3:20 am: �� | ��� |
Apart from a selected few major label artits like Will Downing, Frank McComb (i think he's on an indie label now actually) and Rachel Ferrell, soul music is in a pretty bad shape! That's why I usually turn to either gospel or indie labels for my dose of the more recent soul stuff. The music is still alive, but unfortunatly neither the labels or the averige record buyer care at all. |
Phil (phil) 4-Laureate Username: phil
Post Number: 80 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 212.129.41.45
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 3:23 am: �� | ��� |
I don't listen (and I don't want to listen !) to all the "artists" cited before, but here are three singers that I can recommand : Calvin Richardson, Charles Walker, and Willie Walker. The last two, well known by ITB readers. Please, Andreas, it's time for you to give us the names !!! |
Rich (richk) 2-Debutant Username: richk
Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 151.199.254.58
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 8:52 am: �� | ��� |
Neo-soul - I love Amp Fiddler's recently released, "Waltz of the Ghetto Fly" Deep Down in the Black of Your Mind Its the Funky of another Kind Its the rhyhthm The rhythm God give em I really don't appreciate any of these threads that go on about "This is what I like". So I apologize to myself for commenting. Its not about us, it about the music |
Kdubya (paladin) 3-Pundit Username: paladin
Post Number: 52 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 206.185.64.23
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 9:01 am: �� | ��� |
OK folks let me "Step" in here for a quick minute. Overall I agree with most of whats been posted here about these artists, and yes Dutchman theres a mega (radio) corperation over here in the States that just recylces this "pap" called msuic on dam near every channel on the dial. I will always refrain from using the term from the Matrix used to decribe these artists because it's just another attempt at labeling music to fit into a certain demograhpic so that the suits can track their profits. I have purchased music by Alicia Keys, her duet with Raphael Saddiq on my Diary is a very good song although her range is about equal to Janet Jackson. Jahiem is a very talented young man in need of a good producer. Usher is trying to be a low rent Alexander O'neal and failing. The Ashanti's and Beyonces of the worlds are not heir to anyones throne, sad but true. Anthony Hamilton derserves watching and Cal Richardson is solid. Angie Stone probably will have more longevity than most. Musiq always sounds like he's constipated, get some Ex-lax homey ! On another note while I'm at it, are we witnessing the demise of the vocal group because certain companies can sell more records by Puff-daddying single artists ? Oh yes what the hell is wrong with R Kelly ? He turns out records faster than Crispy Cremes, take a break dog, I got serious R-ra overkill going on......how about a trip to Alaska to find yourself....hug some seals and grizzlies and leave the video camera...you may be able to sing but you dam sure can't Step................and the band played on...... Kdubya |
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b
Post Number: 452 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.248.163.99
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 2:35 pm: �� | ��� |
Wait a minute here... most of the ones you are mentioning here as OK singers, have been with us for a loooooong time... I have read Rachelle Ferrell... Her first album dates back to 1989... 15 years ago... Will Downing... 1988... 16 years... (and here's a good singer but one who was promised a big future when he came out and whom we haven't heard much about over the years in spite of the fact that he's had a steady output of albums...) And the best of all, Angie Stone who has been with us for over 25 years... hardly a newcomer and someone ready to take over the soul torch... remember she was one third of THE SEQUENCE that all female rap group on Su=garhill records... So unless you're not talking new talents, these ones have to go... LOL Cos' new talents are hard to find... Wonder B If you mess with my 'fro, you will get kabongged! |
K-Bee (kbee) 3-Pundit Username: kbee
Post Number: 32 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 129.142.211.170
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 2:49 pm: �� | ��� |
Both Downing and Ferrel are still around and they both have their followers as well. Ferrel's last studio album came out in 2001 and Downing just recently put out his 11th album. Sure they may not be totally new artists but compared to what is normally are being discussed around here, they're nothing but toddlers! LOL BTW Angie Stone was in the little known group Vertical Hold as well. |
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 4-Laureate Username: sudi_kamau
Post Number: 76 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.117.198.35
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 3:08 pm: �� | ��� |
None of the U.S. groups that have been coming out lately do much for me, but a guitar player I work with plays some stuff from the U.K. that I find pretty interesting. I don't even know the names of the groups, but I think one guy's name is Omar. I heard something of his that he did a few years ago that was catchy. I understand that Swing Out Sister has something new out, and I like a lot of their stuff. |
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b
Post Number: 454 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.251.43.56
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 3:44 pm: �� | ��� |
OMAR was on the Talkin Loud Label at the start of the 'acid jazz' movement in the UK... he's recently resurfaced with some new material... I loved his first album but was sceptical about his ability to stand the test of time after hearing his next albums... it seems he's doing a lot better these days... Wonder B If you mess with my 'fro, you will get kabongged! (Message edited by Wonder_B on June 16, 2004) |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 646 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.198
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 5:36 pm: �� | ��� |
Sudi - Swing Out Sister is an old favorite group of mine as well....I liked their version of 'Am I The Same Girl'...and on that cd was a killer song called "Who Let THe Love Out" |
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don
Post Number: 187 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.62.210
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 6:37 pm: �� | ��� |
I'm not taking sides. I think we are showing The Dutchman no respect. If one just read what he posted a little carefully, which I felt, he was asking a fair and honest enough question. People don't be so quick to misjudge. I do agree with some posters that a lot of today's music do sound like crap. But all of the Neo Soul and/or call it Nu Soul is decent, some that is. I guess the industry is tired of using the term Hip Hop/R&B slash R&B/Hip Hop. Neo Soul or Nu Soul has elements of yesterday's Blues, Jazz, R&B, Funk even. I said it once in a past thread that artist, musicians and producers can't recapture past glories, they all can try. And I know after awhile they'll get lazy and present it with half baked schemes and ideas which are weak and lame for the most part. I know when I do hear garbage. |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 649 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.198
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 9:25 pm: �� | ��� |
Ok lets show Don no respect....Aw shut up Don, you know todays music is crap. And BTW, we already 'smooched and made up' with Double Dutch....lol... |
Rodmann (rodmann) 5-Doyen Username: rodmann
Post Number: 200 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.221.220.110
| Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 2:15 am: �� | ��� |
I agree with everyone about R. Kelly's 'Happy People' single. It's pathetic how they act as if we don't notice that it's nothing but 'Step In The Name Of Love (Part 2)'! He did the same thing when he had a big hit with the song 'Fiesta' a few years back. For the next 2 or 3 years all of his singles were 'Fiesta' knockoffs. Through it all his fans remain loyal to him. I guess they don't mind hearing the same thing over and over again! Rich, you shouldn't feel bad about posting what artists you personally like on the forum. If you think about it almost EVERY TOPIC on the forum is about what artists, music and particular songs we (the forum members) personally like. If we didn't feel so strongly about the music we wouldn't support the artists by buying CD's and concert tickets like we have for years. |
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 4-Laureate Username: sudi_kamau
Post Number: 79 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.117.198.35
| Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 12:44 pm: �� | ��� |
Yeah, Dyva. "Who Let The Love Out" really kills me - everything: the changes, the vocal, the lyric, the melody, arrangement. It's one of the most refreshing cuts I've heard. When I hear it I'm proud for the artists that they were able to put it together - I really like their artistic sensibilities. |
SDF (handsome) 4-Laureate Username: handsome
Post Number: 162 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14
| Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 1:04 pm: �� | ��� |
K-Bee & SoniT, I agree with your selection of "new" artists. IMO, I tend to find that the Ushers, Beyonces & Ashantis, & Alicias (how don't care how much classical training she's had, she sounds horrible to me) are the ones that are "selling" & being "promoted" are the very same ones that gets all this electronic help in the studio, because they can't sing & Lord Help them when they sing live, it shows. They seem to be more interested in shaking their azzes & removing the clothes so the audience can get moist! Where is the real TALENT? I admit, some of artists I do have in my collection, i.e., like Ledidsi, Rachell Ferrell, Will Downing, Kindred, Erykah Badu, Jill Scott, The Roots, Lathun, Indie.Arie ,Frank McComb just to name a few. I do feel they have talent and can sing. Sure they are not Aretha, Gladys, Ray Charles, Otis Redding, etc., but they do have their own uniqueness, and I can appreciate & respect that. I get pissed off when I hear people like Glenn Jones for example, who can sing circles around a lot of these artists, but his career hasn't gone as far as it could've. I admit that presently I buy more old music than I do new music. It's unfortunate. Who will carry the torch for the future? Handsome |
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b
Post Number: 459 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.249.169.19
| Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 1:18 pm: �� | ��� |
SDF it's the same question we've been asking ourselves for quite a number of years now... where's the new generation? Who will keep on in the same way of these great artists who gave us all this great legacy ... We talked about it before but the ultimate blow is when you see a true LEGEND like Ronald Isley is forced to go the Mr Biggs path with an R.Kelly production to sell records to the youngsters these days... Ouch! That hurts deep!!! That way not only today's music in it's great majority sucks but they are even trying to spread this disease to the true legends... What's next??? Big Mama Ree? Lil'Bettye LaVette? owww stop that puhleeze! Wonder B If you mess with the 'fro, you gotta go! |
Kdubya (paladin) 3-Pundit Username: paladin
Post Number: 61 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 206.185.64.23
| Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 1:26 pm: �� | ��� |
Handsome you made my point better than I did. Ledisi is a fantastic singer, I've met the woman and she is a human dynamo on stage and posseses a wonderful personality. I too find myself buying more old music than new...and most of these new artists couldn't carry Ray's or Aretha's luggage. I think a lot of what happens today is our children are programmed through no fault of their own, (read media ) and therefore they lack imagination and certainly inquisitiveness, because they are not taught how to think, but how to react. When most of us came up we were not contantly besieged with negative images and other idiotic messages becaue the technology wasn't there, now that its here we have to maintain a balance by teaching our youth to be creative, think for themselves and always ask the questions who, what, when, where,why and How ? Right here on this forum we use our talent and intellect to educate, teach, joke, inform, criticize, critque and communicate with one another about the music we love so well. I loved the post where a forum member was saying his/her child knew the Stylistic's songs and could sing them too, hell my kids know more about Motown & Philly's History than they do Hip-Hop...and they love Hip-Hop but they love the Old Man's music too, they were raised on it yet I discuss music and artists with them all the time. They range in age from 16 to 33. Thats why I'm here to continue the story and participate in a fantastic medium. ..............one love Kdubya |
SDF (handsome) 4-Laureate Username: handsome
Post Number: 166 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14
| Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 2:38 pm: �� | ��� |
Thanks Kdub, you are the man! Wonder B, I liked Ron Isley's cd with Burt Bacarach better than any of the Mr. Biggs stuff. It kinda worked in the beginning, but to me it's now tired. Chi-Drummer-I agree with you wholeheartedly about these newbies taking up some music courses (i.e. chord progressions & voice in particular), that would help...but why do that when it's more easier to go through their own families 45's & lps to find flip & non-hit sides to formulate a "NEW Song"? Like they're really doing something original, which is another reason why I'm turned off with some of these new artists! Handsome |
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b
Post Number: 460 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 80.15.154.15
| Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 5:29 pm: �� | ��� |
Of course, SDF... but I am sure no Mr Biggs CD buyer liked the Ronald / Burt collaboration... Too much class, too much musicianship involved, too much magic in a word... That CD is truly brilliant... When I read in the liner notes that they recorded this the way it used to be recorded live in the studio... I would have given my entire collection to be there in the studio with the rest of the guys to witness two legends working the old fashion way... I looooove that CD... Wonder B |
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don
Post Number: 200 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.60.32
| Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 12:20 am: �� | ��� |
Happy Belated Valentine To My DyvaNaye, ok? |
Sudi Kamau (sudi_kamau) 4-Laureate Username: sudi_kamau
Post Number: 80 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.117.198.35
| Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 10:12 am: �� | ��� |
People don't make the same music anymore because they don't live the same lives - they're not the same people. The social milieu has changed, the economy has changed, the political landscape has changed, technology has changed, and many of these changes are not for the better. I look around and I don't really see a "groovy" society, so I'm not surprised that I don't hear "groovy" contemporary music. It's frustrating though. |
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314
Post Number: 661 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.198
| Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 2:41 pm: �� | ��� |
Don: I feel some heat in that...lol....'I aint mad at cha'...I just wanted to make you feel welcomed too....lol... |
Richard Felstead (felstead2001) 3-Pundit Username: felstead2001
Post Number: 50 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 128.40.91.183
| Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 3:05 am: �� | ��� |
I agree with most of what has been said, it does sadden me though that some spend more time reflecting than looking forward. Many of you of course, manage the both quite well. Sudi is totally right, the society we live in now has changed almost beyond recognition, so it's a natural progression that the music will reflect that. Whether we like it or not, is frankly irrelevant. Real soul music of the variety most of us love including me, has given way to bland meaningless R&B, which many of us now refer to as black pop, because in essence, that's exactly what it is. But I have said before, on more than a few occasions, real music is still being made on a daily basis. What has changed is the exposure it gets. Which is virtually nil. I do feel that some of us and the attitude we have, do nothing right now for the soul scene in general. It is the crudest form of musical snobbery. Many have said that so and so doesn't sound like Marvin, or Aretha's voice is far better than blah, blah. That was a totally different era, which in all honesty will almost certainly never be bettered. I don't think there's anyone here that does not accept that, so while we still enjoy the music and artists of yesterday, let's all at least try to keep an open mind on what's happening today and now. I'm not talking about me asking you to listen to wishy washy R&B, or Hip-Hop. I'm talking about groups and artists who have remained true to their herritage, everybody who is making music today that respect what has gone before. Ledidsi, Rachell Ferrell, Tashan, Frank McCombe, Incognito, Jill Scott, Vivienne McCombe, Joe, Ebony Alleine, Tim Dillinger, Joey Negro, Blaze, Masters At Work, Bebel Gilberto, Michael Buble, Jamie Cullem, Christy Baron, Diana Krall,etc, etc. My point being, there are hundreds and hundreds of artists still making music today in all it's different forms, that would excite you if some of you allowed yourself to be just a little more open minded, than some of you currently are. The plain truth of it is, you won't hear many of these artists being played on mainstream radio anymore. You have to look around and surf the net, for the specialist stations that need your support, in the same way these artists do. By the way, the term Neo-Soul was thought up by the record companies, as I'm sure most of you know. I don't think there is a single artist that personally uses or enjoys that word. Rich. www.solarradio.com The Home Of Soul. |
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b
Post Number: 478 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.49.139.58
| Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 6:05 am: �� | ��� |
You're right in a certain way Rich... But most of the artists that I like who are producing music these days have been there for quite some time as you mention Incognito which is a group I love but who are hardly newcomers having released their first album back in 1981 23 years ago, or Tashan who's been on the scene for 18 years already and whosealbums I would buy even if he was just singing the Yellow Pages... here's truly underrated talent... Now after that we can always have our tastes which include or not other names... For example I have never been fond of Joey Negro but I found a few years ago an album he produced which is pure magic to me (Sunburst Band, a triple LP on a UK labell which is unbelievable hard to find these days I was told) That was great modern funk and soul... Like you said these kind of artists are not easily found on radio let alone on TV, which is why it takes a real personal effort sometimes to discover them and not everybody has the time or the will to accomplish that effort. What I find sad in this world is that instead of catering to all tastes, the media tries to impose these marketing products they want to pass as music. And little voices have more and more trouble getting heard. Some always refer to internet as a great source for independent releases and how you can find if you want etc etc, but most people do not have that much time to dig (deep!) and find the real stuff. That maybe why they tend to dismiss everything that's being put out these days because if you only listen to radio, TV, even music publications, you can esaily admit there is not much to cheer about... Wonder B If you mess with the 'fro, you gotta go! |
Richard Felstead (felstead2001) 3-Pundit Username: felstead2001
Post Number: 51 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 128.40.91.183
| Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 6:59 am: �� | ��� |
Hi Wonder B, Always a pleasure to read your posts, and it's great to talk to you at last. Regarding Joey Negro. He has a new album out right now which you are going to go ballistic over ( trust me ) :-)) Called "Until The End Of Time" - The Sunburst Band. 4x12" album (around �30) or much cheaper cd, which was released on the 14th June. It's selling like mad right now, and when you hear it you'll understand why. If you liked the other Sunburst Band lp, this is an essential purchase. Not a SINGLE duff track on the 13 track cd. All retro sounding, soul, funk and disco. Absolutely beautiful. Also watch out for Tashan's latest track called "Soul Survivor". I'm sure you'd like it. As far as what you say regarding radio and media is concerned,I totally agree. It truly breaks my heart that some real talent is being overlooked. I hate to sound like a worn record myself, but I'm always hinting at you guys to check out www.solarradio.com as I believe it will work in your favour, for a lot of the time. You can hear some fresh new releases(from the better side of the music garden) as well as your fave oldies instead of spending hours surfing the net. If you like, you're in effect letting us do all the hard work. Nothing wrong with that. (wink) I got very little response from letting the SDF forum know of the Bobby Womack and Teddy Pendergrass interviews done on Solar. I kinda feel a great deal of appathy has already set in. Totally agree with your last paragraph, and yes, I can fully understand where that appathy has come from. People that are our age ( the wrong side of 30 ) :-))) have always had eclectic tastes in music because we have learnt to embrace diversity. The music media are now only aiming their product at the lowest common denominator thesedays, so people like us are out the equasion already. With the advent of radio on the net it's brought the universal world of soul related music a lot closer to everybodys fingertips.I will always shout that fact from the rooftops. The scene has moved on, but there's still so much to be enjoyed by all. Good to speak to you my friend. Rich. www.solarradio.com The Home Of Soul |
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b
Post Number: 481 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.251.128.38
| Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 10:03 am: �� | ��� |
Thanks for this great post Rich. I totally agree with you on that... The only thing is that I don't have a sound card on my pC right now or I would have gone to check solar radio this very minute LOL! Mind you I have heard about it for many years since I was a subscriber to Blues & Soul for over 20 years up until the lates 90's where I couldn't go on reading about those new R'nB and rap groups... LOL And B&S talked about Solar and it's DJ's quite often. I just never had a chance before high speed Internet became widely available. I can't wait to receive my new PC and finally get a chance to experiment the great UK soul scene through the cyberwaves...! That Joey Negro -Sunburst Band news is great... where can I buy the vinyl edition? Any website you would recommend? Stupid me I just checked amazon.uk (in between) and there it is... I'll order it right now (Remember I am trusting you on this! LOL Just joking!) Wonder B |
1wicked (1wicked)
4-Laureate Username: 1wicked
Post Number: 145 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.126.64.72
| Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 10:21 am: �� | ��� |
Wonder B and Richard: I was wondering if either of you was familair with the vocalist Carmen Rodgers and her LP "Free" ? If so, what are your opinions of it ? In the May 10, 2004 edition of "East London's Life and Soul" it was charting #1...ahead of Prince, Angie Stone, Tamia, Usher, etc. |
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b
Post Number: 482 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.251.128.38
| Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 10:29 am: �� | ��� |
Never heard about her... sorry 1wicked I'll try to know more... WB |
Richard Felstead (felstead2001) 3-Pundit Username: felstead2001
Post Number: 52 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 128.40.91.183
| Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 11:53 am: �� | ��� |
I have heard the album you are refering to 1wicked. She has a good voice, and her style on this better than average album is very similar to what Amel Larrieux, and Jill Scott were doing a couple of years ago, and perhaps that's where I have a problem with it. Having said that, it does stand head and shoulders above most releases of that type, with a couple of real choice cuts. The title track Free is a particularly strong track. The cover of the captain and tenille's "The Way(I want to touch you) is an interesting interpretation. She has a sultry voice, and on a personal level, I'd love her to push the boundaries a little more by doing a contemporary jazz album, so I can really hear her range. |
1wicked (1wicked)
4-Laureate Username: 1wicked
Post Number: 146 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.126.64.72
| Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 12:10 pm: �� | ��� |
Thanks Richard...my nephew (like a son to me) produced this project (1st "major" outing), and wrote quite a bit of the material on it. I just wanted an independent opinion..... |
Richard Felstead (felstead2001) 3-Pundit Username: felstead2001
Post Number: 53 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 128.40.91.183
| Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 12:21 pm: �� | ��� |
First major outing you say ?. ( shock ) I'd be dead proud of him then, which I'm sure you are. :-)) The writing shows a real level of maturity,perhaps beyond his years,which is like a breath of fresh air. Please pass on my congratulations, and tell him to keep doin' what he's doin'. (wink) |