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Cool Ju (cool_ju)
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Who, who?
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Randy Russi (randy_russi)
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Elvis! An American icon. Michael's rep is for-
ever tarnished, guilty or not.
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Bong-Man (bongman)
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Go down to Memphis and see for yourself....He's called the "King" for a reason. :-)
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Tony Russi (tony_russi)
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Elvis. Michael Jackson is a great artist and I will always think of him as such.
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Cool Ju (cool_ju)
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Bigger = talent, business sense, record sales, every thing you can think of.

Where are MJ's supporters?!
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Destruction (destruction)
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Cool Ju

They haven't gotten home from school yet.
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Cool Ju (cool_ju)
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LOL!
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SisDetroit (sis)
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LOL
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Soul Sister (soul_sister)
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Destruction;
LOL!! LOL!! I agree with all the above!!
S.S.
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Kdubya (paladin)
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I dont think it really matters. That school comment was very funny. Michael probably would have won the name or facial world recognition if he hadn't changed his features so dam much. Hell they are both cariactures of themselves. I guess the winner would be the one thats alive...primarily because as of this post he still has the opportunity to keep ruining his life...and anyway.....Who is bigger to Who ?

There are a lot of young people who only think of Elvis as a Ghost !!!

Michael made the record "Ghost" after he tried to become one !!!

Go figure......and they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery........
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isaiah imani (isaiah)
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Cool Ju, now you leave White Man's heroes alone(LoL!) You don't want HORSE on your ass up in here!(smile!)

Peace!
Isaiah
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DyvaNaye (westside314)
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KDubya: I always thought that the movie 'POWDER' was making fun of MJ...the character came so close...and then Edward Scissorhands had the clothing.

Im upset about MJ. He was every little young African American boys' dream of stardom. I dont know if he was ever aware of the effect he had on his ethnic community, more so back in the day than the 80's.

Elvis no matter how he left this earth with always be immortalized as a 'good guy', wholesome looks, talent and unlike MJ his stuff still sells no matter what. MJ's stuff is selling overseas. EP has the USA on LOCKDOWN.

Destruction: LOL to your school comment. (Sad but true).
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hi folks,

I'll keep this simple & basic. If you look at the sheer chart numbers alone, Elvis wins hands down. As far as who is/was the most talented, Michael wins hands down. Michael is/was extremely assertive as regards his song choices & material.

Elvis basically kowtowed to Col. Parker, who essentially stripped Elvis of his early edginess & damn near turned him into a lounge lizard, albeit an extremely popular & successful one! Elvis was stretched further than Hamburger Helper in a meatloaf. His music became like a fluffernutter sandwich, sweet, saccharine & gooey. Col. Parker damn near turned Elvis into Perry Como...."Loving Yoooooooo.....Loving Yoooooooo". Sad, sad, sad!!!

Sadly, the one thing that they share in common (other than Lisa Marie) is that as they turned 40, they became sad parodies of themselves. Before his death, Elvis came out there looking like Batman, with all of those capes & the stupid "strike a pose" moves. I think that Evel Knievel wore the same damn cape when he attempted to rocket over Snake River Canyon. He was a shell of what he once was. To be honest, in the late 60s & 70s I didn't see Americas' fascination with Elvis. Frankly, he was boring by that time.

On the other hand, Michael seems more intent on turning himself into an antideluvian fossil, by constantly paying tribute to himself & his PAST accomplishments. He spends so much time jocking himself, sitting on award shows & accepting awards while sitting like a King on a throne.

Although his awards are certainly merited, his habit of constantly jocking his past, renders him as a anachronism, a relic of the past. Perhaps if he invested as much energy on his PRESENT career, as he does on reflecting on his PAST glories, he'd still be considered relevant. To paraphrase the great Kurtis Blow, "This ain't 1970, ain't even 1983".

He's simply not aging gracefully & has done more harm to his own career than anyone could.
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Cool Ju (cool_ju)
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What's up Isaiah!

So who makes the most $$$, departed Elvis or MJ?

Who's bigger? "Who's ba-a-ad?" Let the debate continue!
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Kdubya (paladin)
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Dyvanaye and Juice.....you're dead on. Elvis and Knievel ? Great comparison...Edward S and Powder I am feeling you.......what really gets me is when they compare MJ to the female simian in Planet Of The Apes! I guess mental illness can be devastating. I have other issues with Mike, primarily his hang up about being black and nappy headed with a prominent African American nose and then theres that persona of O I'm just a little boy who never had anything as a child and my Dad beat me so I have enough money not to ever grow up and I can sleep with children becaues they are just like me and I change my race because.........give me a break..!!!! Yes he is more talented than Elvis but I think they were/are both sick.
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~medusa~ (~medusa)
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Ok, I enjoyed some of Elvis' music, and I also enjoyed Michaels music...
(I really don't like the competition thing).
In his day Elvis was the King of Rock.
Michael is the King of Pop.
I would like to refer to this as an Artist Issue.
Michaels alleged accusations has no bearing on his performance (to me), just like Elvis' Drug use had no bearings on his performance.
If I had to choose,it would be Michael Jackson.
In the glory days of Elvis Presley,(although some of his songs were written by blacks).
There were black artists, but who in america cared?
Elvis was the first white artist, that changed the white music & dance tradition.
Blacks on the other hand, have been dancing & chanting before we got here.
Michael can dance and sing as a young Man and as an Older Man, with or without his face in tact (smile). He didn't just swivel his hips, the boy can dance, and I mean with style and steps...he's so good he's Baaad.
...and beleive it or not, I was never a J5 fan.
hey coo Ju, you know you aint right (LOL), if Michael Jackson is put down, so is James Brown & Jackie Wilson. These are the Artists who inspired Michael.
Michael Jackson is and Icon, he's still the Kiing, he's still loved around the world by all races outside of america..he's had how many number "1" hit records ???

..and the whole world has to answer right now to tell you once again "I'M BAD", you know it...
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~medusa~ (~medusa)
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I understand what you're saying kdubya... some folks just can't handle being a Major star.
Yes I was very upset when Michael change his looks, he disappointed a lot of black children, and I hold that against him...but he has to live with that. I guess it's like wearing wigs, Toupes', perming or straightening hair oppose to leaving it natural.
It's the choices we make according to what we prefer OR what/whom we're influenced by. Unfortunately, it's not always good to be a follower.
In the meantime, I've never heard anything negative about Elvis Presley, but I know he wasn't perfect, I'm sure he had issues we may never know about.
They both had their days, and the world will never forget either of them.
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Kdubya (paladin)
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Very true Medusa.....I try not to be mean spirited in anything that I write and since I try to communicate with a sense of brevity and humor sometimes I am misunderstood. When you spoke of Michael's impact on children it hit home. Like a lot of folks on this forum I am older than Mike but younger than Elvis (if he had lived ) and their respective careers covered a lot of territory generationally speaking. Juice was on point with his description of Elvis transition from R & B singer to Como to Batman. Hell yeah I saw it but it didn't mean that much to me as an African American and all of a suddden he was dead, ok no more flashy suits and dark glasses because as some one else said, hell "when I was a kid I saw him in the movies" which is primarily the way I remember him..... from movies, I certainly didn't run out and buy his records or try to go to his shows and I dont miss him, I miss Marvin Gaye,Sam Cooke, Jackie Wilson, David Ruffin & Eddie Kendricks to this day. Michael's transtion hit a little closer to home,he was our version of Elvis, I bought his records & went to see the shows. The Jacksons were the biggest, baddest bunch of soul singers from Gary Indiana and yes they were bad. They epitomized at least in some small way a black version of the fullfillment of the American Dream. When Mike flipped it had a profound effect on people of my generation as well as those who were much younger. I remember trying to explain to a group of kids who I thought he was vs the person who he had become. I take nothing away from Michael or Elvis and you're right the world will never forget them.
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Bong-Man (bongman)
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I went to Graceland this Summer. I am not an Elvis Fan ! Just wanted to say that straight out. But I must tell you going to Elvis' home was quite an experience. I learned that Elvis never performed outside the United States. Graceland was not his home...it was his Mother's. Even 2o years after her death, he still referred to it as her house, never his own. The upstairs of Graceland was Elvis' own. He never came downstairs when he wasn't dressed in full jewelry and Batman costume (funny stuff Juice!).

...but the thing that emotionally hits you is how much this man was loved in Memphis and the surrounding area by black and white. He was theirs...a poor Southern boy who made it. I had several people tell me about the craziness in Memphis when he died, and I didn't even ask. That was 25 years ago ! He was a troubled soul, but very generous. And he made the same claims as Michael does today...he was very lonely. That doesn't make much sense to us, but I think it's an interesting thing they both had in common. They had everything...every worldly delight that money could buy...fame...adulation...but they were very lonely. There's a lesson there for all of us.
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Bong-Man (bongman)
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Bong-Man (bongman)
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Bong-Man (bongman)
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The Grafitti filled Wall of Graceland
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Bong-Man (bongman)
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You are not allowed to take pictures inside of Graceland, and you are not allowed upstairs. It's also kind of strange when you think of the comparisons between Graceland and Neverland.
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Randy Russi (randy_russi)
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Up 'til the day he died, women were throwing
themselves at Elvis. Are they doing that
with Michael?
Elvis made movies and was romanced with
a lot of actresses. Has Michael?
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Cool Ju (cool_ju)
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Well women probably used to throw themselves at Mike before the mid 80's or about that time I guess. Wasn't he considered a heartthrob when "Off the Wall" came out?

Movies. I was gonna ask why didn't MJ play in movies. Seems he'd have gone after that even if he had to suck up all of the costs himself.
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Tony Russi (tony_russi)
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There was alot of different controversies surrounding Elvis, but during his reign we were not such a media driven society as we are today. You know, we only had the 3 TV Networks and very few scandal rags. Wasn't Priscilla only 14 when she first became involved with Elvis?That would be BIG story today, with reporters poking around all the time ect.
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Bong-Man (bongman)
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Some of Michael's 10 minute videos were better than Elvis' lousy movies !

It's funny you mention the 3 networks Tony. When Elvis heard that President Johnson watched all three networks at the same time, he insisted that 3 tv's be installed in his living room so he could do the same thing. They are still there.

You see, Michael had some surgery to make himself look white, and Elvis had some pigmentation shots to make himself look black. They back-fired...and the side-effect was some serious weight gain !
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Tony Russi (tony_russi)
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I remember one time reading where Elvis shot up the TV set cause he didn't like the singing of Robert Goulet(I couldn't blame him). I thought that was funny. Elvis loved to watch James Brown perform, he use to watch the TAMI Show movie with JB over & over at a Memphis Theater that he had to rent after hours.
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~medusa~ (~medusa)
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Elvis Presley & Michael Jackson would've been good friends, had he lived..Elvis probably would've talked Michael out of the depigmentation thing.
They both were dealing with Super Stardom.
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Destruction (destruction)
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I did the double Elvis tour in 1988 (my first Real vacation as an adult)...in through Tupelo and out through Graceland almost 3 weeks later. Pics tonight.

Bongman,
Your second paragraph also reflects my experience in Tupelo in terms of his perception by those who lived there.

I learned the following 3 pieces of info from the assistant "curator" at Graceland that year. Try your luck.

1. How much money does Graceland spend on advertising?

2. What Huge music star was spooked by the whole "Graceland" thing?

3. What musical group was the first and at the time, the only group told to take Graceland off their tour map forever?

Answers at 11:00 tonight. Eastern.
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soulseeker (soulseeker)
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When Elvis died his estate was in shambles. It was Priscilla who (in trying to salvage what was left for Lisa Marie) turned Graceland into what it is today. Her idea was to open it up to the public and sell memorabilia. I saw this in an interview of Priscilla Presley on the Bigraphy Channel.
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Lady Mystique (ladymystique)
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I think I will stay out of this one! :-)
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hey Randy,

You have to consider that Elvis was the sexy guy in all of those movies. I mean Elvis was a Hunka, Hunka burnin' love. Michael never really presented himself in that manner. To be honest, Michael was sexier at the age of 12, than he was as an adult. As Michael grew older, you'd have to admit that he was a bit shrouded with sexual ambiguity.

In an era filled with Teddy Pendergrasses & lovemen of that ilk, Michael was more into dance songs & writing very NON sexual songs. I'm not trying to be sarcastic about what I'm about to say, but think about this: The first song that I can recall Michael writing, that was somewhat sexual, was Diana Ross' "Muscles". That was the first time & you know that the fellas kinda lifted their eyebrows when they heard that he wrote that one.

Now, seriously, what do you think went through the minds of women when they realized that he wrote a song with lyrics that went & I quote: "I want Muscles (ooh oooh oooh) all over HIS body. Make HIM strong enough from his head DOWN to HIS toes"? Now, I'm betting that if they THOUGHT about tossing those fruit of the looms his way, one listen to those lyrics would have broken the magical spell. Somehow, I don't think that many women could get past that. They don't want to imagine a man even THINKING that he wants a Man with muscles. That song did nothing to help his manliness with the ladies & many women I knew were truly wondering what was up with that song.

I tried to explain to them that he was simply writing a song from a womans perspective (In between me laughing, that is. I tried to keep a straight face, really I did). At that time, it wasn't yet in vogue for a man to be in touch with their sensitive side. Neither the infomercial, nor, the book had come out yet & the ladies weren't buying my attempts to make excuses for the song.

Also to be considered & again, I mean no sarcasm, was Michaels rather late in the game discovery of his crotch. After all of those years of being sensitive, moonwalking, carrying Webster & Bubbles on his shoulders... after all of those years writing songs about rats, healing worlds & freeing willies, he clearly discovered that he had one. Free Willy, indeed! I think that when he started doing that, he turned a lot of his lady fans off. It wasn't true to who he had been & I believe that many ladies believed that all of the crotch grabbing was his reaction to all of the criticism & speculation regarding his preferences.

All of a sudden, he couldn't stop grabbing his Johnson on Videos & howling "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH". Every three words, he'd grab his crotch. Now don't get me wrong, I ain't mad at him. Heyyyy, that's one sensitive area & it's been known to bring a smile to a fellas face. But......every other word of the song??? Well, man, that's just downright barbaric!!! In Michael's case, it just didn't ring true. It didn't fit his persona & seemed to be as contrived as his "KISS" of Lisa Marie on the award show & Madonna kissing Britney. It was as contrived as MC Hammer being a gangster rapper.

To be honest, I don't believe that women find men who have screwed up themselves surgically, that hangs with little kids, while wearing a SGT. Pepper suit to be particularily sexy. To be honest, the women found Michael sexy up to the Bad Lp. After that, it just got scary.

Ask yourself this, if he were a woman, would YOU throw your hotel key on stage???
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~medusa~ (~medusa)
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Yes, I would've thrown my Hotel Key on stage to Michael, with a note, telling him to give it to Marvin Gaye (LOL)
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marilyn (marilyn)
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:-) (((Marvin)))
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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OOOOH Medusa,

Well, Medusa, I think that you'd better re-read the book Divided Soul before you commit to that statement. Between these two choices, you could have found yourself between a rock & a hard place & an even rockier rock & an even harder place. As they say, be careful what you ask for.....

Now I must ask you the profound question that Michael asked, as it fits your remark..........

WHO'S BAD!!!

I'm sure glad that I'm innocent :-)
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Destruction (destruction)
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Juice,

That was cold...lol.

1. How much money does Graceland spend on advertising?

In 1988...zero....nada. In an age where Everybody spends promo money, Disney, New York City... The Graceland estate paid nothing.


2. What Huge music star was spooked by the whole "Graceland" thing?

Bruce was spooked by the "walled in at Graceland with people climbing over the gate night and after night" thing and chose not to take tour.

3. What musical group was the first and at the time, the only group told to take Graceland off their tour map forever?

Hint. That same summer, The Monsters of Rock Tour passe throught Graceland...without incident....in fact, I heard they were very respectful.

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