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  SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 610 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
Outkast, if you don't settle with our queen of civil rights, I will stop listening to your recordings. http://www.allhiphop.com/hipho pnews/?ID=3536 | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 5-Doyen Username: tony_russi Post Number: 242 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.18.50.4 |
Thats terrible that this has been lingering along since '98. That is not what justice is suppose to be about.All the money that OUTKAST has spent defending using her name is probably as much if not more then writing a royalty check. | ||
Vic Doucette (vic_doucette) 2-Debutant Username: vic_doucette Post Number: 28 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.115.63.131 |
I've read the lyrics of the song and don't understand how they defame Rosa Parks in any manner. IIRC, her name isn't even mentioned in the lyrics, just a bunch of stuff about people moving to the back of the bus. Further, especially given her current mental condition (one of the Detroit daily papers today reported she suffers from dementia), I'm sure she has no clue what is going on. I smell a greedy relative/lawyer lurking somewhere. | ||
Destruction (destruction) 5-Doyen Username: destruction Post Number: 399 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.173.225.25 |
I guess Mrs Jones will be dragging Billy Paul into court any day now. This case has dragged on for so long because it has no merits. She ought to be suing Cedric...not that he was wrong either. | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 611 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
Destruction: What did Cedric do?? | ||
Kdubya (paladin) 5-Doyen Username: paladin Post Number: 347 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 206.185.64.23 |
Uh.. .OH... I think we going back to barbershop here.... | ||
Gary (gary) 5-Doyen Username: gary Post Number: 188 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.73.238.2 |
Uh Oh is right, Kdubya. I'm gonna get my fade freshened up this Saturday, so I'm staying out of the Barbershop until then. | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 614 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
LOL, that's ok. Don't tell me about it. I don't want to hear what Cedric did. It must be terrible. LMAO. | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 5-Doyen Username: tony_russi Post Number: 246 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.18.50.4 |
I have never heard the song "Rosa Parks" but I feel that if you choose to name your song after a national hero...the song should be respectful. | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 616 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
If I can recall, initially Mrs. Parks did not want her name aligned with gansta-rap. I haven't heard the song. She lost the first battle. This current situation, I believe is the appeal. | ||
Gary (gary) 5-Doyen Username: gary Post Number: 189 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.73.238.2 |
I haven't heard the song either, but out of curiosity I did a search on the lyrics. After reading them, I can't blame Mrs. Parks for not wanting to be associated with this song in any way, shape or form. Sis, in the movie "Barbershop" Cedric's character made a statement something to the effect of Rosa Parks not being a civil rights hero because all she did was "sit her tired ass down". I don't know the exact words he used, but I'm sure you get the idea. Kdubya and I were making reference to the current "Honeymooners" thread on SDF. | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 617 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
Oh, I see. Well, it just goes to show you. These younger folks, have no idea what we went through. I was young during the roughest of times, but I will never forget. I'm not going to go through a lesson plan for Cedric (who is very funny), but these kinds of things will come back and haunt him. Especially when the naturally strong elders are all dead. The struggle will begin all over again. I will be praying for the young ones from the other side of heaven. (Message edited by sis on September 22, 2004) | ||
Kdubya (paladin) 5-Doyen Username: paladin Post Number: 349 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 206.185.64.23 |
Those are some most beautiful words Sis Detroit. His words, Outkast words, whatever their intention will reverberate through our collective history. Sure everyone has the right to tell a joke and Lord knows we have been known to be extremely cruel with our comedy when directed at "us", I would simply ask Cedric what would have happened if she got up ? I will say this and exit, her demonstration will last far longer and have more impact than his lame joke. Kdubya | ||
Destruction (destruction) 5-Doyen Username: destruction Post Number: 407 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.173.224.24 |
Cedric's comment does sound mean, when taken out of context. The bigger point he made was that before Rosa Parks, there were Black people who did the same thing and worse things then her. He implies that these people either had the stuff beat out of them or were killed...but his point is that no ones knows a thing about them, and they were physically abused. He goes on to say that the only thing that separated Rosa from them is that she worked for the NAACP, and therefore got all of the attention on this issue...and without getting her butt beat. The larger point he was making is that we as Blacks need to look beyond traditional thinking and start thinking for ourselves. Now as far as reverberations....the fact that a knowlegeable group such as the one found here had to "look up" the lyrics belies the reverberations issue. I personally don't think it diminishes her accomplishment by pointing out that others tried to do the same thing before her. | ||
zebop (zebop) 4-Laureate Username: zebop Post Number: 136 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
Destruction, very thought provoking, didn't think of it that way. I think we should just leave "Sister Rosa" alone  I agree with SisDetroit and Kdubya. I don't like that kind of humor, we haven't come so far that we can crack jokes like that. As for Outkast and "Rosa Parks"--what a silly song, well produced--but very very dumb... (Message edited by zebop on September 22, 2004) | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 6-Zenith Username: ladymystique Post Number: 700 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.37.254.198 |
Well...whatever happened to artistic expression? | ||
StingBeeLee (stingbeelee) 3-Pundit Username: stingbeelee Post Number: 31 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 155.139.68.10 |
After Cedric said the things about Rosa Parks in Barbershop, a lot of kids became confused about the issue and thought that Rosa wasn't on the bus at all! So instead of creating non-traditional thinking, the statement warped history. I don't believe he should have said the statement at all. When you are in the public eye such as Cedric, you need to carefully consider the things you say and how it may affect children. I am aware that at least three other women earlier in the year didn't move from their seats either, and they should be aknowledged also, so perhaps Cedric should have mentioned their names in his statement, which would have sent some kids to the library to look these ladies up. | ||
isaiah imani (isaiah) 4-Laureate Username: isaiah Post Number: 98 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 66.119.33.135 |
StingBeeLee, very good points! What I want to know is what qualifies Cedric, or those who wrote the script for Barbershop, as THINKERS to begin with??? THINKERS would know that as African American history is not even an after thought in North American classrooms, the implications of distorting this history would have some serious repercussions... By the way, Destruction, what is TRADITIONAL thinking among African Americans??? What is THAT???(smile!) Peace! Isaiah (Message edited by isaiah on September 24, 2004) | ||
Destruction (destruction) 6-Zenith Username: destruction Post Number: 421 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.173.225.2 |
a lot of kids are confused about the English language. a lot of kids are confused about where there pants should be worn a lot of kids are confused about geography, math, and anything not shown in a video on BET any kid who thought that Rosa Parks was not on a bus probably didn't understand 90 percent of anything else in the movie either and probably would have been better off in a library or a literacy program. Let's not forget that Cedric is a COMEDIAN and an ACTOR.....not a Professor or a Teacher | ||
StingBeeLee (stingbeelee) 3-Pundit Username: stingbeelee Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 155.139.68.10 |
I did not see the movie so I can't comment on either 90% or 10% of the movie. I was going to see it, until I read about the controversy regarding Cedric's comments. At a barbershop, kids listen to a lot of stuff, and they hear black history taught in a barbershop from various people with various opinions. Kids do tend to think in more black and white terms than do the adults here, who can see and appreciate nuances of gray. Kids get as much about the black historic experience from family, friends and foes as they do from professors or teachers. | ||
isaiah imani (isaiah) 4-Laureate Username: isaiah Post Number: 99 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 66.119.33.167 |
"Cedric's comment does sound mean, when taken out of context." Brother, if as you say, these children do not know their history, how would they be able to distinquish between the movie's comical distortion of the facts, and the real facts? "The bigger point he made was that before Rosa Parks, there were Black people who did the same thing and worse things then her. He implies that these people either had the stuff beat out of them or were killed...but his point is that no ones knows a thing about them, and they were physically abused. He goes on to say that the only thing that separated Rosa from them is that she worked for the NAACP, and therefore got all of the attention on this issue...and without getting her butt beat." How do you conclude this "bigger point" he was making when so many people who know the history were bent out of shape about it. Yes, many people did refuse to move from their seats on segregated buses, and some were outright murdered, much less beaten up, but their efforts did not have strong organizational committment behind it... Wouldn't that have been a better "bigger" point to make??? This is why so many folks found fault with what he said... They know this history is not being taught in the school systems of this country... Why add to the dumbing down process??? "The larger point he was making is that we as Blacks need to look beyond traditional thinking and start thinking for ourselves." Now, I am not only looking for the meaning behind what is the TRADITIONAL thinking of Blacks, but who told Cedric or anyone else that we don't think for ourselves???(smile!) "I personally don't think it diminishes her accomplishment by pointing out that others tried to do the same thing before her." Yes, you are absolutely right, nothing and no one can diminish the strong stand Mrs. Parks took down in segregated Montgomery, Alabama(she put her life on the line is all she did)for those who know the facts, but how much damage does that do to those who don't??? The writters of this script didn't think at all of the implications of making a joke out of the achievements of one of the illustrious heroines of American history, because, perhaps, they have little or no respect for themselves... Folk like that have no place attempting to get anyone to think outside of the box, as the box they are in is one of abject ignorance... As for how these children of the HipHop generation dress, that is not tradition, nor is their inability to read - which is a questionable assumption on your part. It seems you are doing the traditional thinking here, by implying that because these kids dress differently, they lack intelligence... That is traditional racist thinking, no???(smile!) Yeah, I know that Cedric is an ENTERTAINER, as he bills himself as just that, but the larger issue is we all are called upon to teach whether we are licensed or not... But just as among so many licensed teachers, some are great and and some are terrible... Funny, it doesn't matter, however, because our children will always get the blame for bad teaching no matter if it comes from a bad parent, bad teacher, or bad entertainer(smile!) Peace! Isaiah | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 6-Zenith Username: ~medusa Post Number: 761 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.249.45.64 |
I personally have a problem with a lot of black comedians, when it comes to what they so called black culture...First of all they make fun of their own religion, their own family members, they own lifestyles and their ownselves. Now, as far as the Rosa Parks vs OutKast issue, I don't think it was really that serious. I'm sure Ms. Parks has been call out of her name hundreds of times before by others, were they sued? Don't get me wrong, I respect Ms. Parks and all of the Civil rights movers & shakers. There were many other Men & Women that dealt with the blights of the Civil Rights movement other than Rosa Parks...It was a wonderful thing what Ms. Parks did, but she was just one of many. I really don't think Rosa Parks was concerned about OutKast, but I agree with Vic Doucette, somebody used it as a way to get $$$...so now there's a black on black law suit going on. As far as Black History, I have a problem with Slave ships & civil rights movement being the Icon of our history in the first place. To me, that was/is what america & britian and whomever wrote off as our history. They wrote anything that discredited our race. Slavery & Civil rights movement wasn't our history, but a time of antiquity of extreme hostility that was placed upon our race outside of our race and within our race,if I may add. Our Past is very, extroidinary, before the Pharoahs, before the Nile, before the Slave ships, before civil rights, before Rosa Parks & MLK, etc. So I don't think OutKast or anyone else can do any harm that's not already been done. Everyone knows Rosa Parks status. They do have freedom of speech. There's a reason they named themselves "OutKast"...maybe they know something we don't. Again, it's another black on black game play. | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 643 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
Medusa - When you say "I really don't think Rosa Parks was concerned about OutKast.." I would have to say, perhaps after a black gansta (hood) broke into her home in Detroit, and beat her, she decided that she did not want her name to be associated with or used to promote the likes of gansta-rap. There is African history, and then there is another chapter to deal with, the slave history, but then there is another history to deal with on it's own, and that is colored history, but then you have to deal with, as in the others, the situation at the moment, the KKK movement, and then the civil rights of a person, that being a black person in this wilderness of North America. So each generation is extemely important. In order to deal with today, we cannot concentrate on the Pharoahs, or the Nile. To be honest, our problem starts with the slave ships. Until that situation has been psychologically reconciled, we will continue to be locked in a box of uncertainty. | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 6-Zenith Username: ~medusa Post Number: 762 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.79.91.190 |
I know that Sis, but it still doesn't change anything does it? but do you think that situation is gonna be reconciled by man or mankind? I do believe in a Creator, and the Creator has ALWAYS been just, in his reckoning. I didn't know someone broke in her home and assaulted her. So does that have to mean that every young black MAn that crosses her path is a thug/gangsta? I don't think it was OutKast that broke into her home and assaulted her. In a few years, if this kind of thinking continues, there will be no communication or association between Black folks at all...not to mention, it's already heading that way. I understand what you are trying to say...but why is it that our history is always written by everyone telling the same damn story over, and over and over again? This is one of the reasons why so many young folks ended up drop outs & hopeless, going to school and hearing all the downfalls of their own people. I was upset when they first took history out of the schools, but now when I think of it, it was one of the best things they could've done...was to take that depressing story out of the educational system, and stop drilling it in the minds of our babies, before they even had a chance to sort out things and have hope. I have sense enough to know that our problem started with the slaveship, let's just hope it doesn't end with the slaveships. Why do you think the whole world look down on Black Folks, and call us names? Because of our (so-called) history that was bestowed on us... has traveled all around the world, without a good name. Who were we before the slaveships, isn't that important? I try my best,not to concentrate on anything negative including the history of Africans. This (so Called) history is why so many of our Men are the way they are today, and they didn't create their own history in this country either, this is the outcome of that slave ship. I hate to say this,all due respect to Rosa Parks, but again she's not the only elderly person that's been assaulted or had their home broken into, that was very unfortunate, but it happens to Gramma's and Granpa's every day. No harm intended. | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 644 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
Medusa - You are correct. I really don't think it is Outkast, per se, that Mrs. Parks was fighting against. Subsequently, after she lost in court, I don't know what elements were there which brought Johnny Cochran into the situation. | ||
Destruction (destruction) 6-Zenith Username: destruction Post Number: 426 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.173.224.24 |
Isaiah, I�m responding quickly and on the fly before I leave work so I hope this comes through as somewhat coherent and not too cheesy. �Brother, if as you say, these children do not know their history, how would they be able to distinquish between the movie's comical distortion of the facts, and the real facts?� As a former child, I tended to use my brain to help me sort these things out, unless it was too complicated. Then I just wallowed in my own ignorance till someone pulled me out. �How do you conclude this "bigger point" he was making when so many people who know the history were bent out of shape about it.� Most of these people were bent out of shape because of the way he expressed his thoughts. �Bigger and better thought�. I agree wholeheartedly�.except, this was an entertainment vehicle, not a lecture. �Why add to the dumbing down process???� Now I disagree with that comment. I don�t thing it�s dumbing down to throw ANY topic out for reasonable discussion. It helps out deductive reasoning skills and fosters independent, yet responsible thought. �TRADITIONAL thinking of Blacks� . I don�t know where you�re going with this one, so help me out if I get this bass ackwards. Here are some examples of Traditional thinking by Blacks: Martin Luther King was a great man. Rosa Parks started the civil rights movement. Slavery was no fun. Malcolm X was tough. Soul food taste good and is good for you. Black people can dance. Black people can cook Black people can�shut your mouf. �As for how these children of the HipHop generation dress, that is not tradition, nor is their inability to read - which is a questionable assumption on your part. It seems you are doing the traditional thinking here, by implying that because these kids dress differently, they lack intelligence... That is traditional racist thinking, no???(smile!) The dress comment was an attempt at humor. Or the other hand, by implying that kids don�t know the difference between humor and a history lesson, you�re implying their lack of intelligence not me. My comments were made in response to SBLee�s comments about a lot of kids being confused. Besides we all know that today�s youth are the brightest, most well behaved, most well read, peace loving, respectful, and demurring group of youngsters to ever grow up on the planet earth. As a matter of fact, the next time I see someone trying to better the education system or promote family values, I�m going to tell them to put that money to better use because those are really non problems. BTW, Email me�.I�ve got something nice to say to ya. | ||
Cool Ju (cool_ju) 4-Laureate Username: cool_ju Post Number: 124 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
The Rosa Parks song was not a "gangsta" type of rap. Outkast ain't gangsta at all my dear Sis! 'Course I'm not in the position to know but I think maybe it's the people around Rosa Parks who are pushing/were pushing the Outkast suit. | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 647 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
My dear Cool Ju - Does Rosa Parks, or her associate know that? Or do I? (I like several songs by Outkast.) But I've never heard this song: "Rosa Parks" [Hook] Ah ha, hush that fuss Everybody move to the back of the bus Do you wanna bump and slump with us We the type of people make the club get crunk [Verse 1: Many a day has passed, the night has gone by But still I find the time to put that bump off in your eye Total chaos, for these playas, thought we was absent We takin another route to represent the Dungeon Family Like Great Day, me and my nigga decide to take the back way We stabbing every city then we headed to that bat cave A-T-L, Georgia, what we do for ya Bull doggin hoes like them Georgetown Hoyas Boy you sounding silly, thank my Brougham aint sittin pretty Doing doughnuts round you suckas like then circles around titties Damn we the committee gone burn it down But us gone bust you in the mouth with the chorus now I met a gypsy and she hipped me to some life game To stimulate then activate the left and right brain Said baby boy you only funky as your last cut You focus on the past your ass'll be a has what Thats one to live by or either that one to die to I try to just throw it at you determine your own adventure Andre, got to her station here's my destination She got off the bus, the conversation lingered in my head for hours Took a shower kinda sour cause my favorite group ain't comin with it But I'm witcha you cause you probably goin through it anyway But anyhow when in doubt went on out and bought it Cause I thought it would be jammin but examine all the flawsky-wawsky Awfully, it's sad and it's costly, but that's all she wrote And I hope I never have to float in that boat Up shit creek it's weak is the last quote That I want to hear when I'm goin down when all's said and done And we got a new joe in town When the record player get to skippin and slowin down All yawl can say is them niggas earned that crown but until then... | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 648 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
(I just came home after partying with Ali Woodson, Spyder Turner and associates. More tomorrow.) | ||
Morgan (leeway) 3-Pundit Username: leeway Post Number: 67 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.104.139.161 |
I've ALWAYS thought that this lawsuit was the work of some greedy-ass lawyer. Those lyrics? I can't even see where they've somehow de-framed her name or brought any type of negativity to what her legacy is. That whole Barber Shop controversey was stupid too. I have always driven my two kids to school and when that mess came out (one of the DJ's here in Detroit just wouldn't let it rest!)I remember looking over at my son and asking him, "Dave, does that movie and what Cedric said about her, make you think any less of Rosa Parks?" He replied "No ma, it's just a movie!" My daughter also stated "Why is that black people always like to make a big deal about everything?" That comment right there implies that this is the legacy we leave our children, this is the HISTORY we teach our children. What my daughter's remark implied to me is that we are showing our youth to bitch and moan about EVERYTHING!! And no one takes us seriously but US. That's why we have begun to do the unthinkable among ethnic groups. We are turning on each other with an avengence! Airing your dirty laundry in public is a no-no according to the "Ethnic codes of ethics". What we are doing (and began to do many years ago) falls under #2 of the ECE, which is "Never show "them" an un-united front." For "they" will never take you seriously and you will be looked upon as chronic whiners". How else do you explain 14 and 15 year old black boys talking about "Ain't no jobs out here that's gone pay me like slangin' do" and proceed to produce a wad of money that would choke a horse. So a 14 or 15 year old is "suppose" to be earning 500 dollars a week??!! They've heard this stupid logic from some stupid adult who is still crying over the past and how the WM (white man) is keeping jobs away from us. And everybody is not from a home where the mother is a crack-head or prostitute. There may not be enough money coming in from a single parent home (The father may not be present. In way too many cases, he's not around) and the child begins to feel neglected because of the emphasis that these children today place on clothes and designer duds. Momma can't afford to buy "one" $100 outfit from "wherever" and still pay the bills and put food on the table. My son told me that in our old neighborhoods most of the boys who sold drugs came from homes where their mother (and the TWO who had fathers in them) were doing allright. These kids were not dirty, hungry or came from "ghetto" homes. These kids wanted the "throwback jerseys" and Gibaud (sp?) jeans and wanted to keep some money in their pockets. What in the world are we teaching these kids? I'm afraid it's nothing too new. Most of the parents are of the same mentality. I still get stared up and down when I walk into WORK or CHURCH by black women curious to see what I'm wearing?? Why?? It's pitiful and pathetic. As I write this, I can be forthright and honest when I say I've never been of that mentality, never. I've always found it to be very high-schoolish and juvenile. As long as my shit is clean and ironed, I am okay. We should be ashamed of ourselves for being so hung up on possesions like clothes and shoes. We are not the only ethnic group that is like that, but we are the ones who can least afford it monetarily and spiritually. It goes without saying that we know that there are legitimate gripes, but this nonsense is just that- nonsense! We have set ourselves up as "The race that cries wolf" and by having no unity to speak of, no one takes the "legitimate complaints to heart. None of those folks who have access to the media airwaves, spoke for me regarding the Barber Shop controversey. Yet somehow it became this big media issue, IMO to further show how the label "chronic complainers" was coined for us. We always tend to waste soooooooooo much energy and time on non-essential issues such as these. In these two cases it's black folks vs. black folks. Coincidence? I think not. We always seem to, no matter what, fall right back into that die that has been cast for us. You don't see other ethnic groups calling each other out in public over silly matters such as these. Until we have some form of unity, the whole world will always look down on us. Jews, Arabs, Asians, have always presented themselves as united, and will not air their dirty laundry in public as we do. AND even if they do choose to air their dirty laundry, they have money and unity,("unity clout") so that they don't come off looking as whiners. What we show to everyone is that "The blacks still don't have their shit together". Until we show some sort of united front, the world at large will always look down on us. We seem to be more about being in competition with each other about everything from the car we drive to the clothes we put on our backs. Unity=Power. | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 6-Zenith Username: ~medusa Post Number: 776 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.79.122.107 |
AMEN...and I approve that message... |
