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dvdmike (dvdmike)
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Post Number: 388
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.208.234.85
Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 2:04 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A new film version of "The Honeymooners" with African American actors playing the lead roles is currently being filmed. Cedric the Entertainer stars as Ralph Kramden, Gabrielle Union is playing Alice, Mike Epps is Ed Norton and Regina Hall (Sanaa Lathan's older sister in "Love & Basketball") is Trixie Norton. Eric Stoltz and Jon Polito are also featured in the film. The director is John Schultz, who also directed 2002's "Like Mike" starring Bow Wow. Interesting.
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1wicked (1wicked)
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Post Number: 295
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 2:46 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah...I know Exec. Producer Hal Ross & he was telling me that it was being shot in Australia (???)...and the dailies were looking real good. He is extremely impressed with Cedric's performances in the scenes already shot...
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Kdubya (paladin)
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Post Number: 341
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 206.185.64.23
Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 2:48 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Strange Fruit indeed. I heard about this picture and being a fan of both Cedric and Mr. Epps will reserve my comments until I see the film.

Now the interesting point of view for me is this: Ralph and Norton were clearly two buffoons with Alice being the true intellectual of the bunch. I used to refer to them as the (ahem)Two Stooges.

Jackie Gleason and Art Carney were regaled as two very funny comedians in a classic comedy show. We shall see how the masses react to this retelling of classic TV.

Didn't Cedric and Steve Harvey remake this show already ???? and the band played on....

Kdub
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Arcadia (arcadia)
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Post Number: 105
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 2:54 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will also withhold my commentary until I see the film.

How many remember the TV sitcom "Amos and Andy"?

Arcadia
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Gary (gary)
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Post Number: 179
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 3:14 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Arcadia...you must be psychic. I was just about to ask why Cedric just doesn't re-make Amos n' Andy, but he already has...only it was called "Barbershop".
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Kdubya (paladin)
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Post Number: 342
Registered: 5-2004
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Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 3:56 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Both Gary and Arcadia are feeling me, I was about to to go there but thought well maybe not....but it was certainly on my mind as I was posting...and thought the substituion of Steve Harvey was sufficient.

Sapphire!!!! ...I dun los da rent money !!!
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1wicked (1wicked)
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Post Number: 296
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 4:20 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I knew the Amos & Andy thing would come up...eventually, but the damndest thing is that the critics of THAT show won't support a "Tenafly", "City of Angels", "213 Hope Street", or even "Sonny Spoon". To the best of my recollection, "Soul Food" is the ONLY non-comedy featuring an African-American/Black cast that has had any degree of (multiple season) success.
Now...WRT "Barbershop", give me a break. Though the characters may be a little extreme (but isn't most satire ?)...if you can't see the basis in fact for the characters...you've ONLY been in "salons" or frequented "Fantastic Sam's". The neighborhood barbershop is that ONE place where men of all economic status meet for the same single, solitary reason...and exchange lively conversation while in the process. It's always a good laugh...and up to the listener to know the difference between s&%t and shynola.
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Gary (gary)
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Post Number: 180
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 5:00 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What's up 1Wicked? For the record, I've never been to a "salon" or a Fantastic Sam's in my life. I patronize the same black owned and operated barbershop in Detroit that I have been going to since 1972. The shop is located in what some might consider a "depressed" neighborhood, others might call it a "ghetto". Do we discuss sports, music, politics, religion, world affairs, women, etc., loudly and all with equal passion and conviction? Absolutely. But I don't see any of the streotypical, negative, uninformed, low-lifes that were portrayed in Barbershop, just everyday brothers from every walk of life with everyday concerns and opinions. Maybe the negative image cats come to my barbershop on days when I'm not there, I don't know.

As for satire, I can appreciate satire when it is well done, with relevance and humor. By definition, satire should be presented with an element of intelligence and irony, or else it's not satire. I must have missed that part of Barbershop.

I see your point with regard to black viewers not supporting quality black-oriented dramatic series on T.V., and I agree. Remember "Frank's Place" from the early 90s starring Tim Reid? I thought it was one of the most well done shows of ANY genre on television and it barely lasted one season for many of the reasons you mentioned.

You make some excellent points, but I must continue to disagree with you on Barbershop. Anyway, no harm, nor foul, just keeping it real.

Kdubya...cut it out! I almost fell off my chair laughing when I read your quote from The Kingfish concerning his rent money. Good Lawd!
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1wicked (1wicked)
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Post Number: 298
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Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 7:06 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I gotcha Don...I just don't find the characters in "Barbershop" very different from the barbershop characters in "Coming To America" ...I've seen 'em all (the REAL ones) at some point in time. I don't really agree with the assessment of sterotypes and low lifes though. I saw types (that I know exist) and the standard struggle of good vs: evil...with good winning, even if the stuggle was somewhat contrived.
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Gary (gary)
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Post Number: 182
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Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 7:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1Wicked...I consider it a compliment to be mistaken for Don, but I don't think he has posted anything on this thread yet. LOL..I'm flattered. Once again, no harm no foul.
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Kdubya (paladin)
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Post Number: 346
Registered: 5-2004
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Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 10:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1 Wicked and Gary you both make excellent points. I dont have the answers about our folk and what we will watch on TV. Personaly I could'nt tell you whats on TV now days. The programs that are offered up by the powers that be don't interest me. I thought "Franks Place" was a remarkable piece of television and watched it religiously. As for the shows on the WB or other superstations I dont have the time or the patience to sit through them. Dont get me wrong , there is nothing wrong with a brother or sister making a dollar, as far as comedy goes I did watch Living Single for a time as it was refreshing to see Latifah buppyized and her funny cohorts tackling issues normally not represented on televison as black folks problems. As for barbershop, to me it was like a throwback to the late sixties and early seventies of stereotypical behavior disguised as whats happening in the hood right now. Of the few shows that I did watch on televiosn in the last few years with some degree of regularity were :

Homicide (Yapphet Kotto/Andre Baugher)
Oz
Wire

Quality shows and quality actors, the material and subject matter well............

and the band played on..

PS: when we start to discuss shows like Amos & Andy....we are showing our age gentleman..ROTFLOL!!
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Arcadia (arcadia)
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Username: arcadia

Post Number: 106
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.237.17.16
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 1:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kdubya, "Gentlemen" AND LADIES LOL !

Gary, Kdubya and 1 Wicked, thanks for the contributions you have made in this thread. Just think! We're alive on this earth to talk about the older shows (Amos and Andy) and the newers ones, like Homocide and Oz! I think comparisons are a good thing. Being able to discuss it is even better. I thank SD every day for this wonderful forum. BTW, I also enjoyed the FRESH PRINCE OF BEL-AIR and The Cosby Show. Each show had it's time in history and that's what this thread is about, the evolving time of history, black history. I'm looking forward to the new HONEYMOONERS.

Have a great day my friends.

Arcadia
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Destruction (destruction)
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Post Number: 408
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 199.173.225.22
Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 6:34 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kb,

Confession time. I will admit to never having watched an entire episode of Amos and Andy and to thinking it was a bunch of racist crap....til I followed a discussion in this group about a year ago. It gave me a new perspective. I then watched an episode and realized how wrong I had been.

Knowledge is the key

Now go watch THE WIRE ON HBO...or be sorry.
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Kdubya (paladin)
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Username: paladin

Post Number: 350
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 206.185.64.23
Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 4:19 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My Bad...Arcadia, I would never slight the Sisters on SDF, I wrote a song about it, wanna hear it.....hear it go.....I thought this was a good thread.....and Destruction sometime we (I) can look at this forum and think of ourselves as branches of knowledge....emanating from the trunk of a diversifed tree of wisdom. Yes my friends the "Wire" does rule....

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