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Satipe (satipe)
3-Pundit
Username: satipe
Post Number: 54
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.185.84.74
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 7:33 pm: �� |   ��� |
Tempts, Tops, Staples, Chi-Lites, etc. are now Classics and Old but they are likely not known by many young people. Those who know them are from Mom/Dad who play their songs in competition with rap/crap during music time in the household.
"Mama Gonna Knock You Out" by LL Cool J is now an oldie as well as others that should be forgotten. When should we forget a song even though it may become a classic? |
~medusa~ (~medusa)
6-Zenith
Username: ~medusa
Post Number: 692
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 68.252.6.198
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 11:49 pm: �� | ��� |
A song becomes a classic, when it(or the Artist that plays/sings it) usually makes the Top 10, some kind of standard and/or unique in a special way...you hear it everywhere you go, everyone seems to agree and have the same inspirations about that song. Then years later, when it's heard again, the same feeling that was felt when the song first became popular/a BIG hit..WOW...it's "THAT" song that brings back our youth and special sentiments, that we never forget and, and never really want to forget. It's like an old friend, we may lose contact, but whenever we meet up again, it all comes back to us and we remember all the good old times...so Satipe, I guess when we know and experience a lot about something, and we push it aside, but never out of our minds...it will always have a place in our hearts, no matter if it's no longer in the top 5, or the Top 10..it will always be somewhere down the hall, down the stairs, behind the door,in the corner, under the staircase...it's always there somehow.
Didn't meant to get off the subject, but a classic is like a kind of tradition, it's just "The One", like an anthem or something.
I hope I answered this right.
(Message edited by ~medusa on September 12, 2004) |
Robb_K (robb_k)
6-Zenith
Username: robb_k
Post Number: 534
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.232.148.63
| | Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 8:47 am: �� | ��� |
I remember in the '50s, they were already playing "oldies" after a year. After only 2 years, a song was a "golden Oldie". I remember those 1953-54 great greasy doo-wops sounding like classics to me, after 1956-57, when the slicker (more "sophisticatd") sounding NY style took hold. The stuff I loved in '53-'54 sounded "ancient, and oh so much better. I was already nostalgic for it, after only 2-3 years. When things changed drastically in 1959-60, the '53-'55 songs sounded like from a totally different era. Even the '56-'57 cuts sounded "Ancient". The same thing happened in 1962-64 to the 1959-61 stuff. The '65-'66 soul made the '62-'63 stuff into classic oldies. Then Funk made all my old stuff sound like from a different planet. '70s and Disco and rap is to me like from a completely different universe. To me, during my radio listening time, 2 years or so (3 at most) were needed to make previous period songs into oldies and classics. To me, the '70s changes came about more slowly, and the '80s and '90s, the styles lasted longer. (but I'm no expert on those times, as it went in one ear and out the other (for me only). |
Cool Ju (cool_ju)
4-Laureate
Username: cool_ju
Post Number: 99
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 205.188.116.138
| | Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 10:08 am: �� | ��� |
Great breakdown, Robb! Guess that explains the early sixties(?) Golden Oldies album series on Roulette that my folks had which features late fifties songs. |
Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 2337
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
| | Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 2:19 pm: �� | ��� |
Great analysis Robb. What you say is true. I remember that even as a 7 year-old Brooklyn boy in '67, that was true. For all of today's 40 somethings that profess love for that old Soul music, once the slicker uptown stylings of folks like Gamble & Huff took hold, it was all over. Sure, Stax was still much loved. However, once we started hearing that slick uptown style, the old Soul sounded, well OLD.
I'd trace the changes thusly:
First wave: 50's R&B Blues - Johnny Ace & folks like that.
Second wave: Doo Wop - The "bird" groups, The Flamingos, The Spaniels, The Dells, etc.
Third wave: Risque R&B - Hank Ballard, Little Richard, etc.
Fourth wave: Rock & Roll
Fifth wave: Orchestral Smoothed out mellow R&B, i.e., The Drifters, Lieber & Stoller, Jerry Butler, The Impressions, etc.
Sixth wave: The Beach Boys, The Four Seasons, etc.
Seventh wave: MOTOWN, circa 62-64 & The Windy City sound. Curtis Mayfield, Major Lance, et.al.
Then, came the DEATH Knell.......
THE BRITISH INVASION!!!!
At one point, they damn near ruled everything. And were heard everywhere. But, Soul music counter-attacked with.......
THE SOUL BOMB: MO MOTOWN, MO MOTOWN, MO MOTOWN!!! Added to that mix was BIG O & STAX, Atlantic with Joe Tex & the Wicked Wilson Pickett. New Orleans with Lee Dorsey & the others. And then.......
James dropped Out Of Sight & Papa's Got A Brand New Bag. Suddenly, everything that came before, sounded ANCIENT!! And when Aretha detonized that piano a few years later, it was ALL OVER!!
James changed up & gave us the Funk classic, Cold Sweat & changed the sound of Soul forever! There was nothing that sounded like it & it spun us on our ears. James almost single-handledly dragged us into a new musical dawn.
James gave birth to others: Sly was doing it & doing it well. The Impressions got tired of waiting for that damn train to come & got a little more in our faces with the funk. Stax & Atlantic were blazing hot. Jerry Butler came & got a little of that Philly magic & groups like The Delfonics took off. Soul was back & it was HOT!! And, it was EVERYWHERE!!! After hearing all of those gems & that new style, everything else was old.
Well, that's the way that I remember it  |
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