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Jimmy Mack (luke)
6-Zenith
Username: luke
Post Number: 611
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 152.163.100.74
| | Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 12:54 am: �� |   ��� |
Tina vs Jean and Levi--I like them both!!I wonder y Ike and Tina's didnt hit yet Supremes and Tops did!? |
Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 2323
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 56.0.103.25
| | Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 1:05 am: �� | ��� |
Hi Jimmy,
From what I've read, for some reason, it was just too much for the radio stations to deal with. They didn't much care for Phil, nor the record. I think that they felt that the Wall Of Sound had seen it's best days. It's failure to become a hit, virtually drove Phil from the industry from disappointment.
Then again, when I think about it, maybe it was simply Karma at work! |
Dinelle (dinelle_watson)
5-Doyen
Username: dinelle_watson
Post Number: 276
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 68.222.57.101
| | Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 3:44 am: �� | ��� |
I prefer the Four Tops & Supremes' version of the song. |
Reese (reese)
5-Doyen
Username: reese
Post Number: 176
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 12.15.168.222
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 11:21 pm: �� | ��� |
It shouldn't have surprised people that Ike and Tina's version didn't become a hit, even with Phil Spector behind it.
With the exception of their early hit streak on Sue Records, and their later successes on United Artists, Ike and Tina weren't really big record sellers. They survived because they had a killer in-person act. But considering how long they recorded (1960-1975), their hits were rather few. |
dvdmike (dvdmike)
5-Doyen
Username: dvdmike
Post Number: 374
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.208.234.85
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 11:46 pm: �� | ��� |
Tina killed it. I liked Phil Spector's production and Jack Neitzche's arrangement. |
Randy Russi (randy_russi)
5-Doyen
Username: randy_russi
Post Number: 174
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 169.139.180.100
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:34 am: �� | ��� |
Ike & Tina's record was No. 1 in England, but only
reached #88 on Billboard's Top 100 here in the
states--one reason: no airplay! |
SisDetroit (sis)
6-Zenith
Username: sis
Post Number: 561
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.43.206.95
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 2:10 am: �� | ��� |
I loved it. I think that is a beautiful production by Phil Spector. Tina's rendition is #1. Levi sounds great, but I like Tina's the best. |
Tony Russi (tony_russi)
5-Doyen
Username: tony_russi
Post Number: 225
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.210.25.244
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 4:17 am: �� | ��� |
I agree SisDetroit. I think the record was a hit in Detroit.I also think it was a hit where it got airplay..the problem was the "Pop" stations regarded Ike & Tina as R& B and the R&B stations regarded the record as "Pop" also a big factor was Phil not being thought of very highly by the radio moguls because he would not buy chart positions &or air time. |
Jimmy Mack (luke)
6-Zenith
Username: luke
Post Number: 619
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 205.188.116.138
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 6:52 am: �� | ��� |
I think Tony nailed it and so Tina---tho Jean did a very respectable job. Tina gave it a despearation, Jean made it a love song. |
Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 2364
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 7:12 am: �� | ��� |
Tony, I think that you'r right. I also think that from a musical standpoint, it was pretty different from what was out there at the time. I think that the changing tempos, the stop/start feel of the record may have thrown a lot of people. I also believe that it was too extravagantly produced for most of the hipsters to get. I think that Phil was a little too heavy on the orchestration. It's a great song, but back then, it must have sounded like an opus. I had a quasi classical feel to it & I think that it was just too busy for many.
Reese makes a good point as well. At that time, Ike & Tina were pretty much non-entities musically. From 1962-1965, they had a mere FOUR songs that charted R&B. As far as the Pop charts went, these records charted as follows: #50, #95 HOT, #108 & 108!!! So, as far as their recordings went, we're not exactly talking "Startime". I don't think that folks knew just what to make of Tina at that point. It seems that they were basically indifferent.
In the end, radio got Phil. They weren't in love with his arrogance, his belligerent ways & in the end, they send him a message, loud & clear. No one man is greater than the entire music industry. Sadly, Phil thought that he was.
NOT!!!!!! |
Don (don)
6-Zenith
Username: don
Post Number: 845
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.75.61.63
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:04 am: �� | ��� |
I have no comment this is a great fact finder for me I understand clearly what is being said. What kept Ike & Tina & troupe going we're because they we're a great live act. I do get the impression that Tina always thought she could make it solo after reading her book at the library.
No doubt about it Tina was talented and Ike Turner was writing good songs to fit their image. But something to my understanding that something just wasn't clicking, for some strange reason. I'm gonna find Ike's book and read it too with a fine tooth comb.
I got the impression that Tina was a bit ambitious and there's nothing wrong with that. But like Juice stated their we're alot of female vocalist out there at the time, even though there we're still vocalist from the 50's still on there going at it strong as hard as they try on the charts. Maybe the timing wasn't quite right yet for Ike & Tina or I should say Tina?
If they had've signed with Stax/Volt there's no telling what would've happened for there career, but that from the outside looking in and a what "IF a "big "IF".
"River Deep Mountain High" wasn't my favorite record at first. Though it was quite ahead of it's time. Listening to it now, it was a very innovative sound for a record. I do like Tina version, I don't care for The Tops version and didn't like The Supremes take on it neither. I agree with everyone's thoughts about this recording. I'm also a big Tina Turner fan. I wish Ike Turner could have let her collaborate with him on songs if and when there's a need.
I still don't think Tina fully understood nor care to or don't want to admit it about her career in the record biz and wanting to be the next big thing sort to speak. I think Spector knew his time was up, and knew could write write a song and get a big hit out of it, but I guess it didn't turn out that way. Although the record did go to #1 in The D & The UK.
A great song by the way. |
Randy Russi (randy_russi)
5-Doyen
Username: randy_russi
Post Number: 175
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 169.139.180.100
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 9:38 pm: �� | ��� |
I also did not like River Deep that much when I
first played it. Unlike everything else Spector
produced up to that point, it just didn't really
grab me on first listen. The follow-up, however,
did!!!--I'll Never Need More Than This, which
Tina performed solo on American Bandstand. I
still like it better than River Deep and I loved
her version of A Love Like Yours, just beautiful.
Again, absolutely no airplay...Spector's attitude
really angered a lot of deejays, who, I guess
Phil forgot, are the lifeblood of any record
label. |
Tony Russi (tony_russi)
5-Doyen
Username: tony_russi
Post Number: 228
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.210.40.113
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 9:44 pm: �� | ��� |
Although "River Deep"wasn't a US hit it did give Ike & Tina credibility within the industry and they started getting better gigs and doors that had been closed were opened...Phil Spectors reputation for talent meant something. |
Shawn1 (shawn1b)
4-Laureate
Username: shawn1b
Post Number: 163
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.26.97.98
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:14 am: �� | ��� |
Yeah as much as LOVE ME SOME Jean Terrell and Levi I have to give it to Tina she put her foot in that song !Shawn |