By Julian (205.188.192.154 - 205.188.192.154) on Tuesday, March 05, 2002 - 06:18 am:

I took a chance on a used cd called Detroit Soul Hunter by Ty Hunter and a few songs on it are pretty swell. I especially like "Everytime" and "Lonely Baby." Now that's my kind of soul. Can anyone turn me on to more good stuff like this?
BTW, I'm starting an RnB and Hip-Hop label, so wish me luck! I intend to put that Detroit sound in the music too!

By John Lester (213.1.135.157 - 213.1.135.157) on Tuesday, March 05, 2002 - 03:51 pm:

Good luck Julian!!

Remember one thing....it's about teamwork!

By phillysoulman (64.12.107.34 - 64.12.107.34) on Tuesday, March 05, 2002 - 04:17 pm:

I SECOND THAT EMOTION!!!!!
And a ton of cash and "secondary" incentives to enable the stations' music directors to even consider giving a listen, and you BETTER have hit songs!!!!!!!!!! No money or "incentives" will make the public buy the thing either, so think twice and keep your day gig!!!!!

By Julian (64.12.104.43 - 64.12.104.43) on Tuesday, March 05, 2002 - 06:06 pm:

Thanks! You advice is appreciated!

By acoolcat (211.72.121.66 - 211.72.121.66) on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 04:54 am:

"Lonely Baby" was first released on Check-Mate, and as you know - is a great record. Ty's voice is sensational; this guy should have been a star. I don't know the CD that you have, but Ty also had 45s released on Chess and was the brother of Hershal (sp). Didn't Ty later join Motown's Originals?
Graham

By acooolcat (211.72.121.66 - 211.72.121.66) on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 04:58 am:

A PS to my message - Lonely Baby was recorded in Chicago with David Ruffin and Willie Kendrick singing background.
Graham

By John Lester (213.122.203.5 - 213.122.203.5) on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 10:18 pm:

Ty was a member of the Original and Glass House....a very distinctive voice...

I never knew he was the brother of Hershall though...

By Julian (152.163.194.189 - 152.163.194.189) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 05:08 am:

The CD that I have is from a label called "That's Soul." (Finally got Kingsley Abbotts' book, also, whe Ty Hunter is mentioned. Real swell book.)

By brianday (212.137.151.163 - 212.137.151.163) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 07:52 am:

i believe he was lead singer on the originals album california sunset .the albums one of the best they ever did ,but due to a f****k up by motown it was under promoted in usa and never
realeased here in england ,if you get a chance buy a copy if you can ,its a fantastic album
they are coming to england for two dates in manchester at the ritz on 2/3 of june they are motowns most underated group

By John Lester (213.122.202.6 - 213.122.202.6) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 08:04 am:

Brian

It was issued here in the UK.......STML 11287..June 1975.

Being a southerner, I used to read about what was popular in the North in Blues and Soul and from memory, the track that everyone used to play was "Why'd You Lie"...

Credits show Dennis Coffey on guitar.

I have my ticket for the Originals already!

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 12:10 pm:

Julian - guys

I could be wrong (it HAS been known!) but I have a suspicion the Ty Hunter "DETROIT SOUL HUNTER" CD may have been a bootleg, or at least of questionable legality. I have a copy of the CD (kindly supplied by a friend who's Stateside) though mine is not an original.

Julian - what details are on it - any licensing credit, for example? And perhaps more tellingly, is there a barcode? I'm just curious.

By John Lester (213.122.203.11 - 213.122.203.11) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 12:49 pm:

I dont have this CD either....I would like to know about it too.

By Julian (64.12.97.11 - 64.12.97.11) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 05:59 pm:

It has a barcode. The reverse of the disc says "Licensed by San Juan Music Group. Made in EEC. All Rights Reserved Biema/Stemra 1997"


Track list:

In Time
Lonely Baby
Bad Loser
Something Like A Storm
Am I losing You
Darling Darling Darling
Memories
Love Walked Right Out On Me
Free
Gladness To Sadness
Everytime
Orphan Boy
Needed (with the Voicemasters)
Needed (for lovers only)

All sound early sixtie-ish.

I pick up another Cd called Motor City Soul Showdown (VROOM 001). This one looks like a boot, here is it's track list

THE GASLIGHT
Drifting Amay
Here's missing you
I can't tell a lie
If you see her
it's just like magic
Just because of you

THE POSSE
Feel Like Giving Up
Take Somebody Like You
You Better Come Out And Play

BLACK EYED PEAS
Go Through The Motions
Smallest man Alive

E.J. & THE ECHOES
Treat Me Right

RONNIE MCNEIR
In Summertime

BBOBBY TAYLOR
Malinda

By Ritchie Hardin (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 06:38 pm:

Julian

Many thanks for the info... interesting!! San Juan Music - hmmm. That's a name most frequently seen as licensor on cheapo compilations of Oldies, and often with poor sound quality.

The eagle-eyed may have spotted a Y2K court case involving copyright infringement of the works of various R&B artists, in which SJM were the defendants.

The company failed to answer to the charges and damages were awarded to the plaintiffs in default judgement. The result was substantial damages...

"Judgment is entered against San Juan Music
Group, Ltd. on behalf of the following plaintiffs in the
following respective amounts: Chilites: $900,000.00 -Eldorados: $1,000,000.00 - Betty Everett: $100,000.00 - Jay Hawkins: $500,000.00 - Louis Jordan: $100,000.00 - Leadbelly: $1,900,000.00 - Joe Turner: $700,000.00."

Other claimants against the company include numerous early 60s labels, e.g Del-Fi, Chancellor, Original Sound - and the Salvation Army!

As regards the Ty Hunter CD - I think we could say the jury's still out on this one.

By brianday (212.137.218.99 - 212.137.218.99) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 08:34 pm:

hi thanks for putting me right on the uk realease
your a lucky man i live miles from manchester
in southampton . wish they would put the whole album out now on cd so i could spin it at my mobile disco

By brianday (212.137.218.99 - 212.137.218.99) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 08:41 pm:

i just spotted a name from the past ,The posse
was a group put together by eddie kendricks
very interesting falsetto voices.they had a couple of singles on janus .i think one was called (i want to take you out tonight)i might be wrong as it was a lomg time ago ,when i could dance and had no laughter lines

By John Lester (213.1.130.69 - 213.1.130.69) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 09:40 pm:

The Posse only had one 45...with 2 tracks...there are 3 here.

Julian...did the last one sound like a motown recording....you have now had enough experience to be able to tell!

By John Lester (213.1.130.69 - 213.1.130.69) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 09:46 pm:

It might be the recording on EJK though!

By brianday (212.137.227.136 - 212.137.227.136) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 10:51 pm:

further to my last posting on the posse ,if i remember rightly i only ever saw a doublesided
orange demo and one white label mono/stereo
janus copy i dont remember a full release on the single as such,it was very much a temptations/detroit emeralds type production
and lacked something ,but interesting at the same time

By John Lester (213.1.130.69 - 213.1.130.69) on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 11:02 pm:

Cheapo Cheapo used to lots of the issue copy of this one...mine still has the 30p on the sleeve!

By Julian (205.188.197.151 - 205.188.197.151) on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 01:36 am:

The rear cover of the disc indicates that Feel Like Givin' Up was on V.I.P., and You Better Come Out And Play was on E.J.K., and Eddie Kendricks is one of its writers (both performed by the Posse. The lead singer on the latter song emulates Eddie very well (it's not him,is it?).

By brianday (212.137.156.166 - 212.137.156.166) on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 08:18 pm:

there was a article if i rember rightly ,eddie was talking about a new group he had discovered
and was writing for ,so it is quite possible that he was on the recording ,however he was at tamla at the time ,so it would have to be done without credit to him etc how ever ,the realeases were definatly on janus , wouldnt it be a good idea if
all those old blues and soul articales were put on the web?

By david, glasgow, scotland (213.107.27.25 - 213.107.27.25) on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 09:57 pm:

blues and soul have got a web site. that would be a good point for bob killbourn...but i doubt if they would do it!