By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:54 pm:

I think ths is worth continueing. Sis sent me agreat early pic of Sam Cooke which I forwarded to David for posting.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:03 pm:

OK THEN RALPH!!!...I'LL THROW OUT THE FIRST PITCH HERE!!!...*OTIS REDDING*!!!...STU(STILL TRUE)BASS

By RALPH (209.240.198.62) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:05 pm:

Ball one Stu....RAY CHARLES..

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:08 pm:

IT'S ON AGAIN!!!...

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:10 pm:

Ya gotta love this place Stu.

By SB (206.215.13.166) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:17 pm:

"Prince!" LOL!

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70307121504&sql=B4ucyxdkbjolg


Seriously though - one day, will Prince be considered the greatest "Whatchamacallit", type singer by some of the younger set that's out there today? Let's remember, that some of these younsters have never truly been introduced to what we call the best musical era.

How should Prince be classified? Some have called him a genius and a brilliant Artist. Too bad I can't make his Artist sign. LOL!

Sam "The Heartstopping" Cooke.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:22 pm:

Ya gotta give Prince his due. When he first came on the scene I thought he was a twerp. One day while expressing these views to Rare Earth's Pete Rivera he said " Oh no...listen to him " . So I did and I began to change my unfair opinion immediately.

By Jim Feliciano in Detroit. (64.12.97.7) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:24 pm:

I've stated on the initial "GREATEST SOUL SINGER" thread and I'll say it here one more time-- Sam Cooke.

Now the "GREATEST" group that ever defined the meaning of 'soul', well... that would be another question, wouldn't it?

But my here nod would have to go, first and foremost... with the IMPRESSIONS.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:33 pm:

IMPRESSIONS DEFINITLY IN MY TOP 5 OF *ALL GROUPS* JIM...WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE BEACH BOYS (OUCH) AND THE BEATLES ...BUT THEN AGAIN...THIS IS THE GREATEST "SOUL SINGER"(AS IN INDIVIDUAL) THREAD!!!...PERHAPS WE'LL DO GROUPS NEXT!!!...STU

By Charmedes (142.165.104.160) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:39 pm:

Greatest Group - Supremes (Diana, Florence, Mary)

Greatest
Video Performance - Tina Turner & Eros Ramazzotti
"Cose Della Vita" (can't stop
thinking of you)
- re: the romantic couple graces
an old world setting
(absolutely beautiful)

*Just a note to the prior discussion: Please don't discount James Brown's 1986 CBS album "Gravity" which features "Living in America" and a stunning ballad: "How do you stop."

By Charmedes (142.165.104.160) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:46 pm:

Sorry Stu; I was writing my note as you were posting your request.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:51 pm:

NO PROBLEMA CHARMEDES!!!...I GET CONFUSED MYSELF SOMETIMES!!!...STU

By DetroitDar (198.81.26.170) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:06 pm:

Hey Stu(onetrackOtismind)Bass: It's reassuring to know that while things out in the "real world" keep on changing, things on this forum remain the same...didn't you win this one yet?!

By Jim Feliciano in Detroit. (152.163.252.68) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:13 pm:

Stu, sorry 'bro... I understand this is for 'greatest' soul *individuals* only, but for the heck of it I thought I'd throw in my own personal preference for 'greatest' soul *group* here as well, if I may be so facetious....

--GEARHEAD JIM.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:15 pm:

WELCOME BACK DAR!!!...HEY...ONE THING I'M COMMITED TO IS THIS OTIS THING!!!...BUT IT HAS LED TO SOME VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION!!!...I DON'T EXPECT TO "WIN"...JUST STATE MY CASE!!!...STU

By DetroitDar (198.81.26.170) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:28 pm:

That's OK Stu, it gave me my laugh for the day...(there's something to be said for tenacity)!

By medusa9e2003 (66.73.5.78) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:40 pm:

The GREATEST LADY SOUL SINGER Of All Times *IS* 'Lady Soul' herself, non other than the QUEEN~~~~~~Aretha Franklin~~~~~~~~~


(..incase you want to know why, just ask me!!)

By medusa9e2003 (66.73.5.78) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:51 pm:

..and she's my #1 Choice, but if I had 2 name the rest of the Female singers..WOW!!!I'd B here all night.
...not even goin' 2 try 2 name the Guy Soulsters, just 2 many..I just love 'em "ALL"

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:54 pm:

Dar,
Good to know you have positive thoughts regarding tenacity. <:

By DetroitDar (198.81.26.170) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:58 pm:

I don't know...I said it made me laugh!

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:59 pm:

( just shaking my head )

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:01 pm:

DEEP GUYS!!!...OK MED...U TELL US Y!!!...STU

By DetroitDar (198.81.26.170) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:34 pm:

OK Stu: I previously expressed no opinion on who was the "greatest" since it's a subjective thing with no actual answer, HOWEVER...the story about Ray Charles riding around on a Hog puts him over the top in my book...that's SOUL on a whole new level!!!
Detroit(motorcycleloving)Dar

By DetroitDar (198.81.26.170) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:42 pm:

Ralph: What can I say...LOL

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:44 pm:

GEEZ DAR!!!...AND I THOUGH THAT AL PACINO DRIVING THAT FERRARI IN "A SCENT OF A WOMAN" WAS REALLY COOL...BUT UNLESS RAY WAS SINGING WHILE RIDING THAT HOG...IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!...NOW RAY CHARLES AND STEVIE WONDER PLAYING TENNIS...THATS WHAT I WANT TO SEE..."ENDLESS LOVE"!!!...STU

By DetroitDar (198.81.26.170) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:49 pm:

I had written something about him singing at the same time but figured it was too "Darlene" so I didn't post it...I should have known I could count on you to take it over the top!!!

By SB (205.186.129.79) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 10:15 pm:

I thought I'd post this hip web link to this thread since it and it's author is so fresh. LOL!
There is a little spill on all of the "SOUL" singers that were mentioned in the initial title thread and this one.

I have read up on every artist - and then some, and I'm tired now. For instance, if you click on one name - you'll find some artists not listed on the initial page of the link. I'll say.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=C7

Btw - check out The "Jimi Hendrix Experience." LOL @ the hair. Another angel gone too soon.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70307121504&sql=A3u61mpvg9f3o

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70307121504&sql=B24jueay04xu7

STUBASS "I'm Just A STUBORN Kind Of Fella", carry on s'all right.

Have a good night all.

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 10:53 pm:

I am amazed at how Allmusic has changed.

By STUBASS (64.12.97.7) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 11:43 pm:

JIM!!!...SINCE YOU'VE GOT YOUR HEAD IN GEAR...THEN I GUESS A LITTLE MISDIRECTION PLAY IS OK!!!...SB!!!...CANT BELIEVE THE OVERALL CHOICE OF ALBUMS ON AMG...GOOD STUFF...BUT I COULD NAME MANY MORE SIGNIFICANT ALBUMS THAN THE ONE'S THEY MENTIONED!!!...DRAMATICS ARE GREAT...OF COURSE...BUT PLACE A DRAMATICS L.P. ON THIS LIST WITH NO MENTION OF THE TEMPTATIONS OR TOPS DOES NOT ADEQUATELY REPRESENT THE *REAL* DETROIT SOUND!!!...AS FOR THE "STUBBORN KIND OF FELLA" STUFF!!!...MARVIN WAS PHENOMENAL...BUT PROBABLY MY FAVORITE MARVIN CUT FROM THAT ERA WOULD BE "SAVE THE CHILDREN"...VERY INSPIRING (HEAR WHAT STUBASS SAID MARVIN BACKERS)!!!...JIMI HENDRIX...IN A CLASS BY HIMSELF FOR WHAT HE DID...BUT UNFORTUNATLY...NOT ELEGIBLE FOR A SPOT ON THIS THREAD!!!...RALPH AND DAR!!!...YOU TWO PLAY FAIR!!!...STUBASS

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 10:15 am:

We try Stu. With us it's " All's fair in...?...." and that's where we get confused.

By douglasm (68.113.13.31) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 10:40 am:

Jim....
....you got a bike? What you got?
Stu....
....is this the appropriate point in time to say Ben E King?
All....
....this is a very interesting discussion....

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 10:47 am:

OK DOUG!!!...BEN E KING IT IS!!!...NOW CAN YOU GIVE YOUR "REASONS" (NOT THE PHILLIP BAILEY KIND)???...STU

By douglasm (68.113.13.31) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:09 am:

Stu....
....I'm not saying Ben E King is IT. If you remember, I happen to agree with you. But, Ben's solo creer spanned 15 or 20 years, from the early '60's until the late '70's, producing hit after hit, and although I don't think he's Number 1 (Otis to me showed more musical range), Ben E King is worthy of serious consideration, and I would rank him above Brother Ray, and he would push Sam Cook VERY hard.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:13 am:

JUST CURIOUS DOUG...WHERE DO YOU PLACE MARVIN GAYE IN ALL OF THIS (GETS TOUGH AFTER A WHILE...DOESN'T IT)???...STU

By DetroitDar (198.81.26.170) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:41 am:

Stu: ??? I have no idea what you're talking about re: playing fair!!!

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:49 am:

Me either Dar. Where you comin' from Stu my man?

By DetoitDar (198.81.26.170) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:51 am:

Ralph: ??? I also have no idea what your post is about!!! You two seem to be the only ones who know What's Going On, (see: a Marvin reference)!

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:51 am:

OK THEN!!!...DON'T PLAY FAIR!!!...STUBASS

By douglasm (68.113.13.31) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:52 am:

Actually, no it doesn't get very difficult, a lot of it depends on what you the listener like. Remember, I'm the guy who defends Gary Lewis.
As to Marvin, I can't disagree with people who make that choice--openminded fellow, arn't I? He went through some terrific style changes over his career, and pulled them all off excellently. His atristic development over his career would be hard to match. But...
....the trouble with lists like this (and others) is that you could name 20 or 30 or more artists that would be worthy of nomination, all of them having valid points for being at the top of the list, as the posters have all shown. It makes discussions like this very informative, and a bit frustrating, because people bring up valid points that make me question my original choice. Maybe a top 10 would be more valid.

Having said that, I still stick with Otis Redding. It's not that I'm looking for a good car deal that I'm agreeing with you (well, maybe....), but I just like his style, and everything he sang brings me pleasure.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:54 am:

RALPH AND DAR!!!...DID I HAPPEN TO MENTION THAT OTIS REDDING IS THE "GREATEST SOUL SINGER" THAT EVER LIVED???...STU(FADING GRACEFULLY)BASS

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:56 am:

Dar,
It's the old " cork screw " phenominum you generate. It's hard to understand and impossible to explain. Like Black Holes, I know it exists.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:58 am:

Stu,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHHHOHOHGOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOH

By DetroitDar (198.81.26.170) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:59 am:

Hey Now, I always play fair...I just like to know what I'm playing first, that's all!

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:02 pm:

Dar,
Your sense of fairness is above reproach. I will defend that to my death. ( A White Knight kind of thing )

By DetroitDar (198.81.26.170) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:17 pm:

OK, neither one of you are making any sense so I...Got To Give It Up! (oops, did it again!)

Stu: Like I said earlier, "Greatest" is a subjective thing but my vote for "Favorite" goes to Marvin.

By douglasm (68.113.13.31) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:31 pm:

Stu...
....close. My crack(ed) research department came up with this line on June 19th at 1:03 PM.
"...OTIS REDDING JUST EPITOMIZES WHAT THE TRUE MEANING OF SOUL SINGING IS ALL ABOUT...."

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:59 pm:

AMEN DOUG!!!...RALPH AND DAR!!!...IN THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF THE GREAT BRITISH POLITICAL FIGURE...BENJAMIN DISRAELI..."NEVER COMPLAIN...NEVER EXPLAIN"!!!...ACTUALLY...HENRY FORD ll USED THOSE EXACT SAME WORDS WHEN HE DROVE HIS CAR IN A DRUNKEN STATE INTO A CITY FOUNTAIN IN SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA...ACCOMPANIED BY HIS FUTURE WIFE...MUCH TO THE CHAGRIN OF HIS THEN CURRENT WIFE!!!...WOULDN'T EXPLAIN WHAT THAT ALL MEANS...EVEN IF I COULD!!!...STU(FOUNTAINS AIN'T FOR DRIVIN INTO)BASS

By DetroitDar (198.81.26.170) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:46 pm:

Stu: Thank you for that last post, it sure helped clear everything up for me...LOL!!!

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 02:00 pm:

Dar,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 05:54 pm:

Sis writes
"I promised the forum I would post a photo of Sam Cooke when he was with the Teen Highway QC's."

It's a great pic. Thanks Sis.

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 06:20 pm:

Thanks DMeikle.

By Jim Feliciano in Detroit. (152.163.252.68) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 07:28 pm:

Douglasm my man,
Is it a motorcycle???

You may want to something read about the 'ride' right there in your "Keener Lives" thread, near the (current) end 'trail' of the discussion, right there.

Somewhere therein, I was 'christened' GEARHEAD JIM, by (wouldn't you know it)... THE "COUNT".

By douglasm (68.113.13.31) on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 11:11 am:

Sorry Jim...
....took "ride" out of context. "Ride" and "Drive" have two different meanings in this household.

doug

By SB (206.214.2.243) on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 04:06 pm:

Thanks you all for that sweet pic of Sam and his crew.

Check out this poster I plan on copping. Ohh my Lord - I am going to become a Sam groupie. LOL! My daughter will wonder who he is. She has pics of B2K on her wall.

http://www.allposters.com/gallery.asp?aid=2201&c=c&search=13902&cat=122

And check out the below wonderful sentence about Sam's stint w/the "Soul Stirrers."

"The first Soul Stirrers 78 to feature Cooke, "Jesus Gave Me Water," was a major hit, and with his good looks the young singer made an instant impact with female audiences, in the process becoming the gospel circuit's first sex symbol."

LOL! Lordy but - I can imagine.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70307121504&sql=Bn9v8b5m4tsq4

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 04:30 pm:

SB - That is a great and sexy photo of Sam. It's ok to have a least one photo of an idol on your wall.

I've got to purchase that Legend DVD. I just may go today. I believe they have clips of him singing gospel, and someone told me that it was said the ladies would shout and faint when he sang. (LOL) I would have loved to have seen him in person singing gospel. Just think, a gospel sex idol. :o)

By SB (206.214.2.243) on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 05:48 pm:

Hey Sis. How you be?

Yeah girl - I'm gone get that poster of Sam. Matter-of-fact - whilst I was goin' crazy ova his hummin' when listening to the "Legend", CD - I forgot to mention the two words he spoke, as it pertains to how gooooooood and sweeeeet he sounded. Lord - be still my heart.

He said "That's true." Lord - but did his voice sound fine and sweet saying them. He would have pulled me w/no problem. LOL! I do sound pityful I admit - but I loved his voice. And, I most certainly could see the Sista's in the church audience and choir pushing each other out of the way in order to get a clear shot and view of Sam "The Fine As Wine", Cooke. They were like - "We might be religious - but we ain't dead from the neck up or down." LOL!

That boy/man was all that and a fantasy and a half - wasn't he? Too much!

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 05:50 pm:

ALL YOU SAM COOKE SUPPORTERS HAVE AT IT!!!...THAT MAN WAS *GREAT*...AND IT'S A PLEASURE TO LOOK IN ON ANY CONVERSATION REGARDING ONE OF THE TOP 5 SOUL SINGERS OF ALL TIME!!!...STU(BIG-O)BASS

By SB (206.214.2.243) on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 05:59 pm:

Hey STUBASS. LOL! We will always love Otis, and he was fine too. But Sam churned my butta'. Seumsayin'? LOL!

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 06:39 pm:

Stubass - Sam's singing does that to me. Just imagine what he would have done had I seen him face to face. I think I would have fainted just like those church ladies did. (LOL)

By JIMMY MACK (62.200.126.2) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:20 am:

STEVIE
CURTIS
MARVIN
SLY
OTIS

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:35 am:

HEY JIMMY MACK!!!..."WHEN ARE YOU COMING BACK"???...MARTHA

By Tony Russi (68.18.227.45) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:24 pm:

My greatest Male Soul Singers 1)Marvin Gaye 2)Wilson Pickett 3)Smokey Robinson 4)Sam Cook Greatest Soul Entertainer without a doubt is JAMES BROWN.Female Soul Singers 1)Mary Wells 2)Martha Reeves 3)Dee Dee Sharp Greatest Female Soul Entertainer TINA TURNER

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:29 pm:

TONY...TONY...TONY!!!...WELL OK!!!...STUBASS

By medusa9e2003 (66.73.12.157) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 08:58 pm:

Ok...so U want 2 know Y???? I say Aretha is the Greatest Of all times~~~
#1~She's Talented/She has a voice 4 singing
#2~She's Natural/her singing moves U
#3~She's Soulfully Seasoned (& well preserved)
#4~She doesn't need a lot of background
#5~She sings great Accapalla (???SP.)
#6~She sings great "LIVE"
#7~She's passionate & Serious about music
#8~She's an Originator not an imitator
#9~She's Confident/can sing anything
#10~She's the Queen/Lady of Soul
is that enough Stu??need I say more, or would U like a Beer???? LOL!!!

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 09:04 pm:

Somebody refresh my memory, but didn't Aretha do a last minute fill in for some opera singer not too long ago? Gee, I wonder if Ashante or Brittani or any of those little " milk shakes " could pull that one off. Medusa, I'm with you. Sister Ree ROCKS!!!

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 10:19 pm:

OK...MAKE IT A DOS EQIS!!!...STU(AT THE HOPS)BASS

By medusa9e2003 (66.73.12.157) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:13 pm:

Now Stu If U didn't know, now U know...
and I can do another one 2morrow, but right now I'm a bit tired and my bed is calling...

Yes Ralph, U R exactly correct, but I just can't recall the (Opera) Vocalists' name...and I agree, the ones U mentioned, couldn't stand a ghost of a chance doing Opera..hahahahaha

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:20 am:

Medusa,
I'm almost thinking it was Pavorotti she filled in for when he had became ill and she had not more than a day or so to learn the opera. I can't seem to remember the story here but I do remember it being an amazing feat. Whatever the real story, the fact remains that she pulled it off with flying colors.

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:24 am:

Ralph - I believe you are correct.

By Jim Feliciano in Detroit. (64.12.97.7) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 06:53 pm:

And now, here he is once more....
He is regarded as the *GREATEST* soul singer there ever was, ever.

And now, the 'golden' voice of one, the 'legendary'... Mr. Sam Cooke.
http://www.khemet.net/newkhement/av/change_gonna_come.ram
http://www.khemet.net/newkhement/av/chain_gang.ram

By Jim Feliciano in Detroit. (152.163.252.68) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:01 pm:

Hey brother Mel,
These were the two Sam Cooke songs I was refering you from a another subject topic threader.
Hear here... and enjoy!

By irvmilne (81.152.212.178) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 05:30 pm:

hey what about jackie wilson,o.v. wright,roy hamilton,james carr,randy brown,edwin starr all great soul singers as is gladys knight,patti labelle,linda jones,erma franklin,etta james,need i go on . what do you think of them..

By MEL&THEN SOME (217.14.178.110) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 05:46 pm:

Cheers Jim
keep on keeping on
down at your Spin-inn bro'
regards
your uk vinyl bro'
down in his jive-dive
mel-45rpm

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 05:58 pm:

NICE LIST IRVMILNE!!!...I WOULD THINK THAT IF YOU TOOK ALL THE CRITERIA TO DETERMINE THE "GREATEST" SOUL SINGER OF ALL TIME...ONLY JACKIE WILSON COULD POSSIBLY HAVE THE CREDENTIALS TO QUALIFY FOR A RUN AT THE TITLE!!!...KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE AND WERE MANY GREAT SOUL SINGERS...BUT ONLY ONE CAN BE THE BEST...AND MUST STAND OUT FROM THE CROWD FOR ONE SIGNIFICANT REASON OR ANOTHER!!!...STUBASS

By irvmilne (81.152.212.178) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 06:03 pm:

i have 2 others but they dont qualify as they were in the temptations -paul williams and david ruffin .personally i feel david blows otis away on my girl and its growing ,but thats a minor matter as otis was a great singer.

By big time rufffan (217.14.178.110) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 06:09 pm:

Hey did someone say
grrrrrrrrruffffinnnnn
right-on
right-on
right-on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now we are getting serious

By irvmilne (81.152.212.178) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 06:14 pm:

big time rufffan.david was the man for me .

By irvmilne (81.152.212.178) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 06:20 pm:

any detroiters out there ? coming 2 your city a week on thursday (31st) need to know if there is a good record shop(s) that sells 45s for me to look up thanks

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 07:05 pm:

Irv, Go back to the topic list and scroll down to the May's thread.

By medusa9e2003 (66.73.10.198) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 08:58 pm:

Irvmilne,
The 2 best record shops I know R Melodies & Memories on 9 Mile Rd. & Gratiot

Street Corner Music on 13 Mild Rd. & Southfield Rd. ...now, that's if U R looking 4 a lot of Oldies.
Otherwise, try Harmony House...
I'm sure someone else can help U out also.

By irvmilne (81.152.212.186) on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 09:56 am:

medusa.thanks for your help.its oldies im looking for...

By irvmilne (81.152.212.186) on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 10:16 am:

while there is alot of great soul singers that we all like and never agree on who was best what about the songwriters with out them where would our favourites be.so who are the best/greatest songwriters: would it be h.d.h,ashford&simpson,whitfield&strong,gamble&huff,lieber&stoller,smokey or any other sugestions

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 03:57 pm:

HEY IRV!!!...MY BEST GUESS IS THAT IT WOULD BE AS DIFICULT TO REACH A CONSENSUS ON THE "GREATEST SONGWRITER" AS IT HAS BEEN AGREEING ON THE "GREATEST SINGERS"...HOWEVER...IT COULD MAKE FOR SOME INTERESTING DISCUSSION!!!...MY SUGGESTION...SCROLL DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE TOPIC MENU...AND FRAME YOUR TOPIC!!!...

By SB (67.201.101.170) on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 05:41 pm:

Hey STUBASS. I'm sure you've seen this site but if not...... It is a wonderful tribute site. I enjoyed my stay.


http://www.otisredding.com/

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 06:05 pm:

VERY NICE SITE SB!!!...I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE...AND IT TELLS A LOT ABOUT OTIS REDDING...AND THE KIND OF PERSON THAT HE WAS...1ST RATE!!!...STUBASS

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 06:10 pm:

SB - Thanks for the link. It's great to know Otis is getting "Respect." I do miss him.

By SB (205.187.255.220) on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 07:31 pm:

You're welcome SisDetroit, and I miss Otis also. I figured STUBASS had already seen the site - after reading that Otis won the local talent show 15 straight times, as I remembered STU posting that fact. LOL!

I found all that I reviewed on the site truly touching, and I got teary eyed upon reading the article below. I find it fitting that Otis's statue was placed on a dock in Macon, GA. Boohoo.

I also find it touching that Otis's widow never remarried either. Bless her heart.


OTIS REDDING STATUE CAPTURES RIGHT 'VIBE'


LOCAL SCULPTORS HELP MACON PAY ITS R-E-S-P-E-C-TS


Gerald Ensley, DEMOCRAT SENIOR WRITER

Tallahassee Democrat (FL)


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LAMONT --- Otis Redding is famous for sitting on the dock of the bay. Soon, he'll be immortal while sitting in the park by the river.


Two Jefferson County sculptors are nearing completion of a life-size bronze statue of Redding that will be placed in a park in Macon, Ga., which Redding considered his hometown. The park is at the foot of the Otis Redding Memorial Bridge, which spans the Ocmulgee River.


Redding, a legendary rhythm-and-blues singer, died in a plane crash Dec. 10, 1967, just three days after recording his most famous hit, "(Sitting On) The Dock Of The Bay."


The statue by the father-and-son team of Bradley Cooley and Bradley Cooley Jr. depicts Redding seated on the pilings of a dock, picking a guitar with his famous song's lyrics on a pad beside him. It will be unveiled to the public during a ceremony in August.


The $50,000 statue was commissioned by NewTown Macon, a public-private partnership established to revitalize downtown Macon. Redding's statue will be placed in Gateway Park, which is part of a seven-mile greenway under construction and close to several downtown attractions, including the Georgia Music Hall of Fame and the Georgia Sports Hall of Fame.


Though Macon is famous for its music heritage, including Little Richard and the Allman Brothers, none of the artists was more notable than Redding, a singer-songwriter whose death at 26 cut short an already prolific career. Redding recorded 15 hit songs, including "Try A Little Tenderness," "These Arms of Mine" and "I've Been Loving You Too Long." In addition to "Dock of the Bay," Redding wrote Aretha Franklin's famous anthem "Respect" and many other songs.


"When people come looking for Otis Redding, there is nothing," said Conie Mac Darnell, president of NewTown Macon. "He was such an important artist who influenced so many other artists. The idea of (his statue) sitting on the dock, overlooking the Ocmulgee River, seemed like an idea that needed to happen."


Family of fans


The statue, which has been completed in its clay form but will be formed in bronze at a Colorado foundry, already has five ardent fans: Redding's widow and her four adult children. Zelma Redding continues to live on the 300-acre ranch north of Macon, "The Big O," left by her husband; three of her children still live in Macon, where Otis Redding's family moved when he was a child.


"It was a matter of (the Cooleys) catching a vibe, and I think they did," Zelma Redding said. "My family and I are so excited and so grateful. We think this is something that was well-deserved."


Redding and her children visited the Cooleys' studio in Lamont, 30 miles southeast of Tallahassee, on Friday. It was their second visit since the project began eight months ago, and the Cooleys have kept them apprised of progress with weekly e-mails.


The Cooleys studied hundreds of photos and watched videotapes of the singer-songwriter to create their clay model --- though they drew much inspiration from Redding's family. The statue's lips are modeled after those of the singer's oldest son, Dexter, 41. The statue's ears are modeled after those of his daughter Karla, 39. The hands holding a guitar are modeled after those of his youngest son, Otis III, 38.


Zelma Redding, who adopted another daughter, Demetria, 29, after the singer's death, chipped in with suggestions about her late husband's hairline and weight.


"What helped get us the job is that we like to get what the person looked like, and (the Reddings) had seen that in other pieces we've done," said Bradley Cooley Jr. "The trick is, well, there is no trick. You either capture the person or you don't."


Years of work


The Cooleys work in a sun-filled studio on the family's 130-acre estate outside Lamont in Jefferson County. Bradley and Linda Cooley, plus their daughter, Andria, 32, and son, Bradley Jr., 31, moved there in 1975 from Tampa and built a log cabin that the parents still occupy.


Bradley Cooley, an artist since childhood, was a tropical fish dealer who sculpted wildlife and Native American figures in his free time. He traveled to craft and museum shows to sell his artwork and eventually turned his sideline into a full-time job. His son, who was making intricate clay models by the time he was 5, joined his father's business in 1989.


The father and son specialize in figures of Native Americans of the southeastern United States. Tabletop pieces by the pair adorn homes, businesses and galleries from California to Massachusetts --- though Bradley Cooley said it took years to build a clientele.


"I tell parents that as soon as they see their child pick up a pencil or crayon and start drawing, they should pick up a ruler and rap their knuckles," Bradley Cooley said with a laugh. "An artist has to go through a lot of lean times before he becomes successful."


The Cooleys moved into heroic-size (1 1/2 to twice life-size) sculptures several years ago. They created six pieces for the Chateau Elan golf resort near Atlanta: bronze statues of golf legends Gene Sarazen, Sam Snead and Kathy Whitworth, as well as a woman dancing on grapes in the fountain at the resort's entrance. They did a bronze statue of golf legend Bobby Jones, which stands at his famed Augusta (Ga.) National golf course.


The Cooleys are currently working on a 14-foot-tall statue of legendary Seminole Chief Sam Jones surrounded by symbols of the eight Seminole clans Jones led to refuge in the Florida Everglades in the 19th century.


Jones, a spiritual leader who was born into the Miccosukee tribe near Tallahassee, is credited with saving the Seminoles from extermination in Florida. The statue was commissioned by the Seminole tribe, and it will be placed on a 60-foot mound at the tribe's Big Cypress Swamp Reservation in South Florida.


Yet the Cooleys acknowledge the Redding statue will "probably be seen by more of the public than anything we've done."


"It's an honor, really," Bradley Jr. said. "He wrote a lot of songs for other people, and his songs are still played constantly today. He was very influential."