By Caleb (171.75.84.80) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 11:22 pm:

Pistons pick 3 solid European players.2nd overall pick Darco M is unbelievable.Saw film on him,couldn't believe what I was seeing.They picked a center from Greece with the last pick of the draft along with a great shooting guard.Their going to be great to watch along with their existent roster.Peace

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 02:15 am:

HEY CALEB!!!...LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE PISTONS ARE GOING FOR THAT LATE 80'S EARLY 90'S VERSION OF A BUNCH OF "BIG MUTHA'S" DOING THE WHOMEVER BEATS UP THE OTHER TEAM THE BEST USUALLY WINS!!!...BOY...THEY SURE WENT AFTER SOME BIG DUDES...TO HELL WITH FINESSE...ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THAT THE 7 FOOTER FROM CROATIA DOES HAVE A NICE OUTSIDE TOUCH (SHADES OF LAIMBEER???)!!!...STU

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 02:43 am:

HEY CALEB II!!!...WHO IN YOUR OPINION WAS THE BIGGEST "BUST" AS THE # 1 PICK IN NBA DRAFT HISTORY???...IT'S FUNNY...BECAUSE...SOME OF THE GUYS THAT I KNOW THAT PLAYED IN THE NBA DURING THE 70'S USED TO LAUGH AT THE BUFFALO BRAVES...FOR MAKING LAROO MARTIN THE NUMBER 1 PICK OF THE DRAFT IN 72 I BELIEVE...PASSING OVER SIDNEY WICKES...CURTIS ROWE...AND A FEW OTHERS THAT WENT ON TO SUCCESFUL NBA CAREERS!!!...ANYONE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO LAROO???...STU

By Caleb (171.75.80.134) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 05:29 pm:

Stu,going to have to go to nbadrafthistory.com to see past #1 picks.No one coming to mind at the moment.Really like what the Pistons are doing.When you see clips of Darco you'll be blown away.He just turned 18.Guard drafted is a gunner,can hit from anywhere on the court.Would love to see Larry Brown take them to the next level.Caleb

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 05:45 pm:

CALEB!!!...MSNBC IS TOUTING THE PISTONS CHANCES *BIG TIME*!!!...BEST DRAFT IN YEARS!!!...STU

By 1Wicked (24.126.64.120) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 05:48 pm:

Stu...ABC ran a piece on Larue Martin awhile back. I think he's involved in the 'Blazer organization doing community outreach or something like that.

Maybe not a true #1 pick...but the biggest bust I ever saw was Travis "Mean Machine" Grant...selected by the Lakers. He had been a 2-3 time NCAA scoring champ...but nobody noticed that he knew NOTHING about defense...NOTHING. I don't think he even made it through training camp.

By Caleb (171.75.80.134) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 05:48 pm:

Definitely!!

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 05:52 pm:

I DO REACLL THAT ONE WICKED!!!...THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MAJOR "BUSTS"!!!...BENOIT BENJAMIN...WAS HE A # 1 PICK???...STU

By Scratcher (65.238.127.143) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 05:53 pm:

Oh please with this Darco guy, I hear he can only effectively shoot the ball with one hand. The Cavs got Lebron "King James" James. SCOREBOARD! Enuf said, and he's Akron born and raised to boot.

By Caleb (171.75.84.91) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 09:38 pm:

Scratcher,I hear you with Lebron James,he's going to be serious but have you seen any footage of Darco.The man can hit the mighty trifecta and can move in the paint like a gazelle,can shift hands with the ball like a magician and remember he just turned 18.2 years if that and he's going to be lighting it up.He needs to develope his upper body a little more but believe it he's the real deal.

By Scratcher (65.238.127.233) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:07 pm:

Caleb, the Pistons blew it. They should have grabbed Carmello when they had the chance. They gon' be kicking themselves in the ass for years over the Darco pick. Hell, he might not even play for you next season, his rights are still owned by the European team he plays for. What was Joe Dumars thinking about?

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:20 pm:

IN ALL FAIRNESS SCRATCHER...I RECALL VERY WELL THAT PEOPLE IN DETROIT SAID THE PISTONS WERE "NUTS" WHEN THEY GOT A BIG...SLOW...WHITE GUY FROM CLEVELAND NAMED BILL LAIMBEER!!!...THE SO CALLED EXPERTS WERE WRONG THEN...AND PERHAPS JOE DUMARS (WHO PLAYED WITH LAIMBEER) AND LARRY BROWN...ET ALL... REALLY KNOW SOMETHING HERE!!!...STU

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:40 pm:

Yeah Stu,
It took me a while to get into Laimbeer, but then I really became a fan.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:47 pm:

HEY RALPH!!!...A BIT OF BILL LAIMBEER TRIVIA!!!...AT THE TIME HE WAS PLAYING...HE WAS THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE NBA WHO'S FATHER HAD A HIGHER INCOME THAT HE DID!!!...HIS DAD IS A HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL BANKER IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA...AND BILL GREW UP IN THE EXCLUSIVE RANCHO PALOS VERDES AREA IN THE SOUTH BAY...JUST SOUTHWEST OF LOS ANGELES!!!...STU

By 1Wicked (24.126.64.120) on Saturday, June 28, 2003 - 02:42 am:

Stu: I don't know about Benoit Benjamin being a #1...but I do recall the story about the scouting report on him. Someone noticed that the scout had written DAAS in bold print across the report & inquired as to what it meant. The answer was: DUMB AS A STICK !!

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Saturday, June 28, 2003 - 03:37 am:

HEY WICKED!!!...I DON'T KNOW HOW "DUMB" BENOIT WAS...BUT HE WAS SURE "FAT"!!!...WHAT ABOUT THE GUY WHO GOT THE "REP" FOR BEING "DUMB"...AND PARLAYED THAT "DUMBNESS" ALL THE WAY TO THE PLANET "LOVETRON"...AND MUCHO ENDORSEMENT BUCKS AT THE SAME TIME???...OF COURSE WE'RE TALKING DARRYL DAWKINS HERE...WHO JUST MISSED OUT...BY JUST ONE SEASON...ON AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP...ALTHOUGH MOSES MALONE JUST DID A BETTER JOB THAN DARRYL WOULD HAVE IN 83!!!...STU

By 1Wicked (24.126.64.120) on Saturday, June 28, 2003 - 02:49 pm:

Stu: Long ago and in a land far away (Texas) a young lady I knew needed a ride to the Maverick-76'er game...so she could see an old flame (Lionel Hollins) and a good friend ("Chocolate Thunder"). She arranged for the tickets (which "will call" screwed up !!) and I got the chance to see my favorite player (Dr. J) throw down ! It wasn't much of a game...it was the Mavs 1st year...but afterward, we all met at the Marina Hotel @ D/FW and had a ball. Darryl may have played a "dumb***" on television...but he truly wasn't. He was truly the "ManChild"....basically a high schooler in a 6'11" man's body. He was a kid who loved to have fun and loved to feed hype to the media. He was one of the ones who made it to the NBA because of his size...but would have benefitted greatly from the maturity that 3-4 years of college would have given him (with the right coach & right program).

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Saturday, June 28, 2003 - 02:53 pm:

TOTALLY AGREE ABOUT DARRYL...WICKED!!!...NEVER QUITE FIGURED OUT THAT SHATTERING BACKBOARDS DIDN'T TRANSLATE INTO NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!...REMEMBER THE TIME DURING THE NBA FINALS AGAINST PORTLAND...THAT DARRYL...WENT AFTER MAURICE LUCAS...THREW A ROUNDHOUSE LEFT HOOK...MISSED LUKE...AND TOOK DOUG COLLINS (HIS TEAMMATE) OUT WITH THAT PUNCH???...BAD MOVE...AND COULDA COST THE SIXERS THE SERIES!!!...STU

By Caleb (171.75.84.240) on Saturday, June 28, 2003 - 03:10 pm:

Wow!Don't remember that but I bet that was something to see.

By 1Wicked (24.126.64.120) on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 05:54 pm:

Nice punch...but not nearly as devastating as the one that Kermit Washington threw...almost ending Rudy Tomjanovich's career. Rudy T. basically walked into that punch while trying to play peacemaker...but *if* that had been a WBA or WBC bout, Kermit nailed him with perfect form. That was a sad day in the NBA...and KW has not been able to get a job in the league because of that fight.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 06:03 pm:

CALEB!!!...IT *WAS SOMETHING*...AND THE FUNNIER THINGS WAS...DURING THAT BARROOM BRAWL BETWEEN BOTH TEAMS...TWO PLAYERS WERE CONSPICUOUSLY MISSING...UNTIL THE TV CAMERAS PANNED TO THE SCORERS TABLE...AND SITTING *UNDER* THE TABLE...HOLDING HANDS...THE TWO SUPERSTARS...DR. J AND BILL WALTON!!!...WICKED!!!...THAT WAS INDEED A SAD DAY!!!...YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT JUST A MONTH OR SO EARLIER...SPORTS ILLUSTRATED HAD A COVER STORY..."ENFORCERS OF THE NBA" WITH ALL THE GUYS ON THE COVER...LANIER...LUCAS...WASHINGTON...DAWKINS...THE BIG WHITE CENTER FOR THE BULLS...AND ONE OTHER GUY!!!...THAT KIND OF PROMPTED THOSE GUYS TO TAKE ON A "TOUGHER" PERSONA THAN THEY MAY HAVE OTHERWISE!!!...WHO REMEMBERS KENT BENSON...IN HIS FIRST NBA GAME...NOT WANTING TO GIVE UP GROUND TO JABBAR...AND ELBOWING HIM...UNTIL KAREEM...WASTED BENSON WITH AN UPPERCUT WHILE KENT WAS DROPPING HIS HEAD!!!...RUINED BENSONS CAREER IN MY OPINION...THE GUY WAS NEVER THE SAME!!!...STU

By SoulangelSister (68.73.167.246) on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 06:45 pm:

NOW STUANGELDADDYBASS Are you trying to make your flock of angels basketball widows? We need you on the soul music forum not the sports t.v. couch potato!!!
S.A.S.

By Soul Sister (68.73.167.246) on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 06:52 pm:

1Wicked; That goes for you too, see the other thread.
S.S.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 06:52 pm:

SOUL SISTER!!!...NOW I *KNOW* THAT YOU WANT YOUR "ANGEL DADDY" TO BE WELL ROUNDED!!!...MAN CANNOT LIVE BY MUSIC ALONE!!!...STU(DRIVIN TO THE HOOP)BASS

By Scratcher (65.238.127.94) on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 06:54 pm:

There's bad blood between the Pistons and the Cavaliers, we haven't forgot how Rick Mahorn took Mark Price out that time. Mahorn hit Price, a little guy, right in the head. And we traded Laimbeer to you guys cause he was a stiff. He should have been a hockey player cause he had few B-Ball skills. Stuff Laimbeer was allowed to do back in the Pistons' Bad Boys Days wouldn't be tolerated in the NBA now. He was a dirty player and so was Mahorn. Don't be surprise when the Cavs and Pistons play in the playoffs when somebody take that little skinny Richard Hamilton out like Mahorn did Price; and the Cav's will make the playoffs next season.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 07:01 pm:

THATS OK SCRATCHER!!!...IF THOSE SERBS THAT THE PISTONS DRAFTED START TO GET TOO TOUGH...BILL CLINTON WILL SEND IN THE AIR FORCE!!!...STUBASS

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 08:16 pm:

SPEAKING OF RUDY T...I JUST READ THAT HE HAS BEEN BATTLING BLADDER CANCER FOR THE PAST THREE MONTHS!!!...HE HAS BEEN RECIEVING SOME SORT OF TOPICAL TREATMENT...AND IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S MAKING PROGRESS!!!...STU

By R&B (138.238.41.118) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 04:15 pm:

HEY GUYS,IF HE DOESN'T DO SOMETHING THIS SEASON,KWAME BROWN'S NAME WIL BE ADDED TO THE LIST OF BIGGEST BUST EVER IN THE FIRST ROUND!

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 04:35 pm:

HOW ABOUT THOSE L.A. CLIPPERS!!!...WORST FRANCHISE IN SPORTS HISTORY...AND WORST OWNER...DON STERLING...IN SPORTS HISTORY!!!...BEING DRAFTED BY THE "CLIPS" IS THE "KISS OF DEATH" TO AN ASPIRING NBA PLAYER!!!...GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK R&B...OR AS THE LATE GREAT CHICK HEARN USED TO SAY...QUIT "PEA PICKIN THROUGH THE CABBAGE PATCH"!!!..STU

By BankHouseDave (195.93.50.10) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 05:35 pm:

And what about the Romney Marsh tiddleywinks final? Warehorne beat Ruckinge by 15 tiddles. Is this Soulful Detroit or World of Sport?

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 05:54 pm:

DAMN BANKHOUSE!!!...AND I LAID MY MONEY DOWN ON RUCKINGE!!!...ALL SERIOUSNESS ASIDE!!!...THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF COMMONALITY BETWEEN THE WORLDS OF MUSIC AND SPORTS!!!...EVER HEAR OF WAYMON TISDALE???...FORMER NBA PLAYER...NOW POPULAR JAZZ BASSIST!!!...THOSE OF US FROM DETROIT...AND OTHER URBAN AREAS...ALMOST LOOK AT MUSIC AND SPORTS INTERCHANGIBLY!!!...SORRY FOR THE CULTURAL CROSS REFERENCING!!!...STUBASS

By BankHouseDave (195.93.50.10) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 06:02 pm:

I knew that really, Stubass, but it's a bit lost on us who only know three ball players, Hewey, Dewey and Louis. I glaze over when I watch Wimbledon, but I do like Cream's 'Anyone for Tennis'. Maybe there's hope for me.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 06:21 pm:

BIG TIME HOPE BANKHOUSE!!!...HEWEY CAN REBOUND HIS ASS OFF (CAN TAKE A QUARTER OFF THE TOP OF THE BACKBOARD *AND LEAVE CHANGE*)!!!...DEWEY IS A DEFENSIVE MACHINE...AND LOUIS (THE FOOTBALL PLAYER OF THE LOT) CAN CATCH BB'S IN THE ENDZONE AT MIDNIGHT!!!...STUBASS

By BankHouseDave (195.93.50.10) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 06:29 pm:

That certainly cleared that one up, Stubass. I'm as at home with this subject now as with brain surgery and differential calculus. Also I needed a reason to go to bed.

By 1Wicked (24.126.64.120) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 06:49 pm:

Uhhh BankhouseDave...are you referring to former Oklahoma footballers Lucious, Dewey, and LeeRoy Selmon ??? (LOL) I'm sorry...I couldn't resist !!

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 06:59 pm:

GOOD ONE WICKED!!!...HEY...WHERE IS LEXUS (BARRY) HIDING OUT!!!...TELL HIM WE MISS HIM ON THE FORUM!!!...STU

By SoulangelSister (65.43.167.42) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 07:37 pm:

STUBASS,1Wicked,Caleb,Scratcher, R&B, & BankhouseDave;
Your making all the STUBASS full throtle Angels B.B. widows!!! PULEEEEESE, what about the music fellas?
SoulmissingtheactionSisterwhileyourmissinginaction!

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 07:42 pm:

HEY SOUL "ANGEL"!!!...FIRST OF ALL...THEY PLAY THE NATIONAL ANTHEM BEFORE *EVERY* GAME!!!...THEN...HAVE YOU HEARD SOME OF THE STUFF THE ORGAN PLAYER PLAYS *DURING* THE GAMES???...STUFF LIKE "BENNY AND THE JETS" (AT LEAST AT PISTON GAMES)...AND A BUNCH OF OTHER TUNES (WHO LET THE DOGS OUT) ETC!!!...SO SOUL SISTER...THE NBA IS NOT ENTIRELY DEVOID OF MUSIC!!!...STUBASS

By Soulangel Sister (65.43.167.42) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 07:50 pm:

Well I guess there is nothing interesting going on on the forum tonight since the men are at a BBall game. Where the AngelDaddy now gets his music jones taken care of for the night!
STUBASS the only one I want to hear sing the national anthem is Brother Ray, or Marvin Gaye, and unfortuneatly (or maybe fortuneatly for him) Marvin is singing the Angel Anthem.
SoulAngel

By Soul Sister (65.43.167.42) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 07:54 pm:

Hi Ralph;
If your listening, is STUBASS just as crazy in person as on the forum? That cat can be a comedian no joke! I think his bro Bruce should get him a t.v.show like Flip or Redd had. What fun!!!
S.S.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 08:20 pm:

THANKS SOUL SIS!!!...BETTER IDEA!!!...HOW'S ABOUT I JUST DO MY COMEDIC THING HERE...AND EVERYONE FROM SOULFUL DETROIT JUST DROPS A CHECK IN THE MAIL TO ME ONCE A MONTH!!!...OR AS SOUPY DID!!!...KIDS...GO INTO YOUR PARENTS ROOM WHEN THEY ARE SLEEPING!!!...GO INTO DADDYS WALLET ON TOP OF THE DRESSER AND TAKE OUT THOSE LITTLE GREN PIECES OF PAPER!!!...PUT THEM IN AN ENVELOPE AND SEND THEM DIRECTLY TO STUBASS...C/O SOULFUL DETROIT.COM!!!...STUBASS

By SoulangelSister (65.43.167.42) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 09:12 pm:

STU;
Ha-Ha, I forgot all about that trouble Soupy got into! Thats good STUBASS then you'll be able to have that angel party in Hawaii!!!!!!!Don't forget The O'Jays will perform. Thank You.
S.A.S.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 09:31 pm:

YEAH SOUL SISTER!!!...HEY...CAN WE PLAY SOME BASKETBALL TOO???...STU(THE HOOPSTER)BASS

By SoulangelSister (65.43.167.42) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 09:37 pm:

I'm too short to play B.ball so go watch it on T.V!
SoulabandonedtotvSister

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 10:29 pm:

SPEAKING OF GAMES!!!...DID ANYONE SEE THE WILLIAMS SISTER'S SHOW TODAY!!!...SERENA BEAT VENUS...ALTHOUGH THEY WERE TIED...ONE SET APIECE...THEN...VENUS PULLED A GROIN MUSCLE OR SOMETHING!!!...SERENA WENT ON TO WIN WIMBLEDON...AGAIN!!!...THOSE GIRLS ARE REAL GOOD!!!...STU(ALL STRUNG OUT)BASS

By Caleb (171.75.80.175) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 12:11 am:

Lebron James inks a 3 year pact for 18 million.Doesn't sound like alot but he's going to be making 100 million in endorsements-how do you like those apples.Sweet Dreams.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 01:28 am:

NOT BAD FOR AN 18 YEAR OLS KID CALEB!!!...BUT ROOKIES CAN ONLY MAKE SO MUCH AS THEIR CONTRACT AFFECTS THE LEAGUE SALARY CAP!!!...IT'S THE FIVE YEAR PLUS GUYS THAT CAN MAKE A BUNCH MORE WITH A SMALLER IMPACT ON THE SALARY CAP!!!...GIVE LEBRON ALL THE CASH...AND ALL THE CAVS WILL BE ABLE TO PAY TO PLAY ALONGSIDE HIM WOULD BE A BUNCH OF CBA REJECTS!!!...STU

By Caleb (171.75.81.94) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 11:49 pm:

I'm looking forward to seeing him play.He looks big time already on the high school clips.This guys gonna be maybe like a Magic Johnson.He can do it all from what I saw.Looking forward to seeing if the Pistons can pick up a key free agent.They've got just about all the ingredients now.Their going to be fun to watch.Peace

By RD (63.188.32.218) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 11:59 pm:

All NBA Players have a salary cap. There's a rookie cap and there's a cap on what veterans make. People like Garnett and others make more than the cap because they're grandfathered. The Cav's traded Andre Miller because he wanted the maximum and they didn't think he was a max player. The max an NBA player can make now is somewhere between nine and 11 million. The NBA also has a team cap but it's a soft cap, meaning they can exceed it when signing their own free agents. There is no cap on the salaries of major league baseball players but the teams have a cap (a hard cap). This hinders Texas in getting help because A-Rod takes up so much of their team cap.

By STUBASS (64.12.97.7) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 12:25 am:

VERY GOOD EXPLANATION OF THE SALARY CAP RD!!!...THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE AND THE OTHER VARIOUS EXEMPTIONS ARE WHAT MAKE THE IDEA OF THE LAKERS GETTING KARL MALONE *AND* GARY PAYTON ...COMBINED WITH SHAQ AND KOBE,,,THAT MUCH MORE *RIDICULOUS*!!!...NOW...EVEN IF THE PISTONS WERE TO GET THAT FREE AGENT THAT CALEB SPEAKS OF...THE LAKERS WITH THAT LINEUP WOULD BE LIKE MEN PLAYING AGAINST BOYS!!!...STUBASS

By RD (63.188.32.23) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 12:48 am:

Naw Stu, Shaq's getting old and disinterested and Kobe's has serious legal problems involving a sexual assault to deal with.

It's the Cav's you have to look out for. The starting five will probably be Z at center, Boozer power forward, Darius Miles small forward, Ricky Davis shooting guard and LeBron James at point with Dajuan Wagner imitating Vinnie Johnson off the bench. Davis played out of position last season at small forward and still average 20 points and six assists.

Caleb, James is bigger than Magic. Magic was 6'9" 215lbs. when he came in; James is already 6'8" and 245lbs and has a Hummer. He's buds with them rappers 50 Cents and Jay Z too.

By john c (12.2.233.107) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 08:59 pm:

Stubass,

Getting back to your ? about bust picks. How about passing over Michael Jordan for Sam Bowie?

The same team that drafted Larue Martin! By the way, the same team that drafted Sidney Wicks which actually was a bust pick as well (you just couldn't tell by the stats).

The same team whose point guard just got busted for the 3rd time in the past year for pot!

Former Blazer fan.

By Caleb (171.75.84.7) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 09:05 pm:

Stu are you speaking hypothetically regarding Payton to the Lakers or is their talk of this?If so,forget it-get the championship banner ready.RD,that's a nice lineup for the Cavs.Darius Miles is a nice player and Wagner coming off the bench.Their going to be good.

By 1Wicked (24.126.64.120) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 09:12 pm:

Caleb....it's in the mix !! Payton to L.A. (as a free agent with a hefty pay cut)...and if he comes Karl Malone is signing too.(I don't wanna see his whinin' behind in "Laker blue & gold" though....)

By RD (63.188.32.60) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 09:13 pm:

Wagner was actually a bad pick by the Cavs but most Cav's fans don't think so yet. They drafted him to play shooting guard but he's too small, they thought he was another Iverson, hardly. Plus, he's not as good as Ricky Davis who played out of position last season at SF and still excelled. An experiment at point with Wagner was disasterous. Darius will be fine if Paul Silas has the team running more than they did last season. He (Miles) is a subpar halfcourt player. The Cavs also has to hope Z doesn't break something in either of his feet.

By Caleb (171.75.84.7) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 09:29 pm:

So what happens to Wagner?Saw him in high school score a 100 points in one game.He was phenomenal.

By RD (63.188.32.60) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 09:33 pm:

I heard about that game Caleb; they talk about it on the radio here. You must be from the Camden/Philly area. Wagner's going to be the sixth man off the bench; you can't start him over Ricky.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 09:40 pm:

RD!!!...WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT SHAQ'S ATTITUDE HAS A RING OF TRUTH TO IT...AT LEAST JUDGING BY LAST SEASONS PERFORMANCE...AND THE KOBE THING...I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK!!!...A GUY LIKE KOBE USUALLY DESERVES THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT IN MY BOOK...BASED UPON HIS PAST IMPECCABLE BEHAVIOR...BUT...JUST WHAT WAS THE RECENTLY MARRIED KOBE DOING IN A WOMANS HOTEL ROOM IN COLORADO???...ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT I THINK THAT THE LEBRON EXPECTATIONS ARE RUNNING A LITTLE HIGH AROUND THE LEAGUE...ESPECIALLY SINCE HIS COMPETITION HAS BEEN LIMITED TO MOSTLY *HIGH SCHOOL KIDS*!!!...THE REST OF THE CAVS...SOME NICE PLAYERS...BUT NOTHING LIKE THE LAKERS WOULD BE OVER THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS IF THEY ADDED PAYTON AND MALONE TO THEIR ROSTER!!!...JOHN...SAM BOWIE...YES...ON PAPER...THE 7-FOOTER LOOKED LIKE AN NBA LOCK...BUT EVEN RALPH SAMPSON HAD A BETTER CAREER THAN SAM (BAD LEGS DID HIM IN)!!!...AS FOR SIDNEY...UNFORTUNALTY...HE NEVER REALLY PLAYED ON AN NBA TEAM WITH ANY REAL TALENT...AND HE NEVER FIT INTO THAT BOSTON THING!!!...I HUNG OUT WITH HIM A COUPLE OF TIMES...AND HE...NOR ANYONE ELSE AT THAT TIME WANTED TO BE WITH THAT ERA CELTICS!!!...PAYTON HAS ALREADY MADE KNOWN THAT HE HAS NO PLANS TO BE A BUCK NEXT SEASON...AND MALONE WOULD PROBABLY PLAY FOR FREE WITH THE LAKERS JUST FOR THE CHANCE (A DAMN GOOD ONE)TO GET THAT RING!!!...WE'LL SEE WHAT DEVELOPS!!!...STUBASS

By Caleb (171.75.84.7) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 09:42 pm:

Yes,I'm in Jersey.Going to be looking for Cav games on cable this upcoming season.Want to see them,Lebron James,etc.If the Lakers pick up Payton and Malone it's lights out.

By RD (63.188.32.60) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 09:46 pm:

Stu, Lebron James has the body of a 10 year pro. He'll do well. He passes better than Magic and is more athletic. Because of LJ the next EA NBA Live is going to sell like hotcakes.

By SoulangelSister (65.43.167.42) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 09:48 pm:

STUBASS;
AGAIN!!!!!!!
SoulangelSister

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 10:00 pm:

I DIDN'T START THIS TIME SOUL SIS...I SWEAR!!!...RD...I GUESS I MY MOM MUST HAVE TRAVELLED THROUGH MISSOURI WHEN SHE WAS PREGNANT WITH ME...BECAUSE...HE'LL HAVE TO *SHOW ME*!!!...YES...HE DOES APPEAR TO HAVE ALL THE ASSETS...BUT REMEMBER...THE NBA GAME IS 50-PERCENT PHYSICAL...AND 50-PERCENT MENTAL...AND THE LATTER HAS YET TO BE PROVEN!!!...HOW WILL HE ADAPT TO FOUR OTHER *GREAT * PLAYERS AROUND HIM???...HOW WILL HE ADAPT TO THE TRAVEL AND PRESSURE???...HOW WILL HE ADAPT TO THE TEMPTATION (SEE SOUL SIS...I MENTIONED A SINGING GROUP)???...THESE QUESTIONS AND MORE HAVE YET TO BE ANSWERED TO DETERMINE HIS FULL IMPACT ON THE CAVS...OR ANY OTHER TEAM FOR WHICH HE MAY END UP PLAYING FOR (CAN YOU SAY SHAWN KEMP???...)...STUBASS

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 10:06 pm:

REMEMBER RD...IT'S EASY TO MAKE GREAT PASSES WHEN YOU'RE BEING TRIPLE TEAMED BY A BUNCH OF KIDS...AND YOU'VE GOT FOUR OPEN GUY'S TO PASS TO!!!...THIS WON'T BE THE CASE FOR LEBRON IN THE NBA...SINCE MANY DEFENSIVE SPECIALISTS WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE HIM ALL HE WANTS BY THEMSELVES!!!...STUBASS

By RD (63.188.32.60) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 10:10 pm:

Lebron James has his head on straight. Have you watched any of his interviews? He wants to win and bring a championship to Cleveland.

What four other great players around him?

Other than Ricky and second year man Boozer the rest are just OK. And Boozer may be a flash in the pan. Z plays no defense and Darius doesn't have an outside shot or much of an inside one other than the ocassional wide ass open dunk.

Everyone is hoping the whole will be better than the individual pieces because of Labron's unselfish play and superior passing and playmaking skills.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 10:14 pm:

I HOPE HE DOES WELL RD...BUT AS OF TODAY...I'M NOT INVESTING IN HIS STOCK...AS OF TODAY'S CLOSE...THE PRICE IS WAY TOO HIGH (CAN YOU SAY .COM)???...!!!...STUBASS

By Caleb (171.75.84.7) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 10:27 pm:

I agree with RD.Lebron James definitely has a good head on his shoulders.He's going to do well.As far what's around him I think in time they'll build a solid team there.Good to see you pop in Stu.Hey,if the Lakers bring in Payton and Malone,forget about it.Their going to be raising up another banner.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 10:30 pm:

AGREE ON BOTH POINTS CALEB...BUT LEBRON WILL HAVE TO LEARN TO OVERCOME THE TEMPTATION TO DO IT ALL BY HIMSELF!!!...THAT WON'T WORK IN THE NBA...LIKE IT DID IN HIGH SCHOOL!!!...STUBASS

By Caleb (171.75.84.7) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 10:36 pm:

Stu,do you sense he's a selfish player or just that there's no other quality players around him?

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 10:43 pm:

I COULDN'T BEGIN TO GUESS CALEB...BUT I'M SURE HIS HIGH SCHOOL COACHES PRETTY MUCH ALLOWED HIM TO RUN THE SHOW...AND WITH NO COLLEGE EXPERIENCE TO GAIN THE KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM OF BEING "COACHED"...HE'LL HAVE HIS HANDS FULL (AS WILL HIS COACH) IN GETTING HIM TO ADAPT!!!...KEVIN GARNETT HAD THOSE TYPES OF ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE...AND HE DIDN'T DO IT OVERNIGHT...ALTHOUGH HE HAS TURNED INTO A FINE PLAYER...ALBEIT GAINING THE TAG OF FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF FLOP!!!...DARRYL DAWKINS NEVER GAINED THE DISCIPLINE THAT ONE TENDS TO PICK UP IN COLLEGE...AND IT EVENTUALLY LED THAT GREAT PHYSICAL SPECIMEN RIGHT OUT OF THE NBA!!!...STUBASS

By Caleb (171.75.84.7) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 10:50 pm:

That's interesting Stu.We shall see.Let's not forget about Darco.He's coming in similiar being 18 years old but his basketball background is a little different-international tournament play,etc.I'm just pumped over here on the upcoming season.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 10:54 pm:

VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE OF INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION CALEB...BUT I DON'T THINK THAT DETROIT IS LOOKING AT DARCO AS THE "SAVIOR" THAT CLEVELAND IS LOOKING AT LEBRON TO BE...AND HOPEFULLY PISTON MANAGEMENT WILL ALLOW DARCO TIME TO ADJUST AND FIT IN WITHOUT ALL THE PRESSURE THAT LEBRON IS SURE TO BE UNDER!!!...CAN YOU SAY PEYTON MANNING???...STUBASS

By Caleb (171.75.84.7) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 11:00 pm:

Stu,excellent observation.I think Detroit is the perfect place for Darco.Dumars knows what he's doing as far as player developement.2 years ago Okur was their 2nd round pick and he kept him in Turkey to develope that first year.It was a great move,he looked real good in his first season with the Pistons-shades of Bill Laimbeer.He's going to be a good player you can already see it.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 12:55 am:

STUBASS HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!...IT'S NOW BEING REPORTED THAT KARL MALONE HAS AGREED TO SIGN WITH THE LAKERS FOR THE 1.5 MILLION DOLLAR "EXCEPTION CLAUSE"...IF IT HELPS THE LAKERS TO ALSO SIGN GARY PAYTON (FOR OBVIOUSLY MORE MONEY)!!!...STU

By Caleb (171.75.81.67) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 01:39 am:

Raise that Championship banner!!It's done.Stu,are you out there?If so,place must be going bazerk.

By Caleb (171.75.81.30) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 03:15 am:

Was just reading where Payton's going to decide tomorrow on the Lakers.It's the Lakers or the Heat.He prefers the Lakers.

By RD (63.188.33.102) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 07:00 am:

Just heard the Cavs are going with Lebron at point, Dejuan at shooting guard, Ricky Davis at small forward, Carlos Boozer at power forward and Z at center for their summer practices. Darius Miles will be coming off the bench if he can't beat out Boozer.

By R&B (138.238.41.128) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 10:34 am:

HEY STU,THAT REMINDS ME OF THE ALL BUNNY RABBIT CERLEBRITY STARTING FIVE[BUGS AT CENTER,PETER AT SMALLFORWARD,CRUSADER AT POWERFOWARD,ROGER AT SHOOTING GUARD,AND THE TRIX RABBIT AT THE POINT]WOW WHAT A TEAM,AND YOU KNOW THAT NOBODY IS GONNA OUTREBOUND EM CAUSE[BUNNY RABBITS CAN JUMP]HEHEHEHHEEHEHEHEHE!!!

By 1wicked (24.126.64.120) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 10:50 am:

Caleb: Despite the championship possibilities...most people here DO NOT want Karl Malone as a Laker. Laker fans have never forgotten Malone's uninformed remarks and refusal to play with Magic (All-Star game ??) because of his HIV positive status. Plus...he's thought to be one of the NBA's greatest whiners, and if the refs had not continued to let the Jazz run their illegal screens...he AND Stockton would have been washed up a few years ago.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 11:11 am:

CALEB!!!...IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL YET...BUT I PERSONALLY THINK THE SIGNING OF MALONE AND STOCKTON WOULD GIVE SHAQ SOME MORE INCENTIVE TO GET HIS HEAD BACK INTO THE GAME!!!...WICKED...I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT...BUT I THINK THAT KARL AND MAGIC HAVE LONG SINCE MADE PEACE...AND KARL HAS ADMITTED THAT PERHAPS HE SPOKE FROM A POINT OF MISUNDERSTANDING!!!...R&B...YOU'RE NUTS!!!...STUBASS

By Caleb (171.75.84.166) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 06:01 pm:

Payton has made a verbal agreement to join the Lakers thru the mid-level exception-4.9 million for the season.The pact will be signed July 16th.This is a serious acquisition.Peace(catch up with you tonight Stu)

By RD (63.188.33.97) on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 01:02 am:

It wasn't televised so I going by accounts from the sports media but they're saying Lebron James and Darius Miles put on a show in the first Summer League game tonight. Lebron played point and dished seven dimes in 23 minutes. If you're projecting that's more than 15 assists a game. A superstar is in the making right here in Cleveland, Ohio, the best location in the nation. CLEVELAND ROCKS!!!

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 01:14 am:

HEY RD!!!...JUST SAW A HIGHLIGHT REEL...AND THIS YOUNG MAN IS LOADED WITH TALENT!!!...OBVIOUSLY WAY TO EARLY TO ANSWER THE ULTIMATE QUESTIONS THAT ARISE...BUT HE SHOWED SOME INTELLIGENCE...PHYSICAL ABILITY... AND A NICE TOUCH!!!...I HOPE THAT SHAQ...KOBY...KARL...AND GARY AREN'T QUIVERING IN THEIR BOOTS QUITE YET THOUGH!!!...STU

By RD (63.188.33.192) on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 01:29 am:

He's the real deal Stu.

By Caleb (171.75.80.186) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 11:31 pm:

Saw where the Pistons signed center Eldon Campbell.Will make a nice contribution coming off the bench.Peace

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 11:56 pm:

COMING OFF WHAT BENCH CALEB???...THE ONE IN THE PARK WHERE I THOUGHT HE WAS...SITTING AROUND ALL DAY TELLING OLD MAN STORIES TO LITTLE KIDS???...STUBASS

By Caleb (171.75.81.22) on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:33 am:

Is there something here I'm not aware of?

By STUBASS (64.12.97.7) on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 08:38 am:

WELL...WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME ELDON CAMPBELL WHO PLAYED WITH TH4E LAKERS OH...ABOUT 11...12...14 OR 20 YEARS AGO???...NEVER AMOUNTED TO MUCH MORE THAN A BACKUP CENTER BACK THEN...ALTHOUGH PERHAPS THE PISTONS ARE LOOKING AT HIM IN THE JAMES EDWARDS TYPE MOLD...ALTHOUGH EDWARDS WAS A BETTER CENTER DURING HIS PRIME!!!...STUBASS

By STUBASS (64.12.97.7) on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:16 am:

WATCH THIS GUYS FEET CALEB!!!...HE TRAVELLS MORE THAN HENRY KISSINGER EVER DID!!!...STU

By Mark Speck (199.183.107.91) on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:34 am:

The Cavs will DEFINITELY be better this year! I think LeBron is for real, plus I'm happy with the free-agent acquisitions we've made (Kevin Ollie and Ira Newble may not have been the biggest names out there, but they can play DEFENSE, something that was sorely missing last year).

This kid Kapono that we drafted with the second-round pick--I think he'll be another Boozer-like sleeper, especially if he can shoot from long-range as advertised.

Best,

Mark

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 12:12 pm:

HEY MARK!!!...GOOD LUCK ON KAPONO!!!...ONLY THING I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THIS LOCAL COLLEGATE PLAYER IS...HE CAN BLOW A 20 SECOND TIMEOUT JUST IN THE TIME IT TAKES HIM TO RUN FROM CENTER COURT TO THE BENCH!!!...WELL THEY *DID* SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT LAIMBEER...BUT HEY...YOU GUYS IN THE CITY BY THE LAKE DIDN'T WANT TO KEEP HIM EITHER!!!...STU