By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 03:06 am:

When Motown made the move to create and produce in Los Angeles the initial heads were Hal Davis and Marc Gordon. They were in the building across the street from the building where they eventually had three full floors at Sunset and Vine. A studio on the West Coast came about many years later, all they had was a piano and tape recorders. Why is it that Hal Davis seems to be left out of 95% of the accounts of Motown's history? He produced many of their megahits, why no mention? Where can I get good pictures of him?

By Judy (68.42.209.170) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 03:19 am:

This was posted 12/4/98
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motown/message/1481

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 03:38 am:

I knew Hal was deceased, I am here in L.A. where he died. Still, of all the documentaries and tv specials I have ever seen about Motown, Hal Davis's name has only been mentioned once. He produced Michael Jackson as a solo, 95% of the Jackson 5 hits, "Don't leave me this way" by Thelma Houston, "Love hangover" by Diana, and countless others. Why no mention? Where can I find pictures of him? Please e-mail some if any are available.

By Edgar (200.46.12.151) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 08:05 am:

A few months ago I was also asking for HD photos. Nobody knew and I have not found any in the web.

By RD (63.188.33.115) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 08:43 am:

I saw a pic of Hal and Brenda Holloway once but I can't remember where, probably a Motown book. Hal was a brown skinned guy with a football players' physique (fullback or linebacker).

By Common (209.2.55.171) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 08:49 am:

Hello everyone,

There's a pic of Hal & Paul Petersen together in J.Randy Taborelli's(sp?) Motown book.

Peace!

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 09:29 am:

It's no secret that I was never thrilled with Motown's West Coast operation. However Hal Davis was a completely different story. Hal was talented and definitely not caught up in the Hollywood BS. I didn't know Hal very well but I liked and respected him. He was a true producer.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 12:09 pm:

Lonnie:
Check out Motown's "Hitsville USA" boxed set. There's a great picture of Hal Davis & Marc Gordon mixing a Marvin Gaye session (Marvin & Anna are in the photo as well).

Hal seemed to have been mentioned in Berry Gordy's book as the producer of "I'll Be There" and Barry White acknowledged him in his autobiography "Love Unlimited."

I recall an anecdote given by Hal Davis that I believe was published in Billboard's Book of #1 R&B Hits. It was regarding the Jackson 5's "Never Can Say Goodbye" and the complications Hal had encountered in getting the song released. So, when Gordy was in his LA office, Hal went next door and played the acetate (?) at full blast. Gordy ran into the office and asked him why this record wasn't out. After Hal told him that Motown's QC was holding up the release, Gordy himself gave the single the green light and the rest is history.

Kevin Goins - KevGo

By dvdmike (68.72.111.85) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 05:58 pm:

There is little or no information on this, but I think they did a number of mid-sixties recordings at Armin Steiner's TTG Studios in Hollywood.

By Treena (208.8.159.228) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 06:47 pm:

dvdmike here is a link to an article in mix magizine about Armin Steiner and his early 60's work with motown.
http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazinearticleid=99449&magazineid=141&siteID=1&releaseid=6190&mode=print

By common (208.8.159.228) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 07:53 pm:

I thought Hal Davis produced Ain't No Mountain High Enough??????

By J5Collector (66.188.87.80) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 07:54 pm:

There's also a great photo of Hal Davis in Weldon McDougall's book "The Michael Jackson Scrapbook: The Early Years of the Jackson 5." The photo includes Michael at about age 13, Suzee Ikeda, and Hal Davis wearing a fur coat and leather hat in the studio. Must have been some air conditioning system operating then!

If it's okay with Mr McDougall, I'd be happy to scan the photo and post it here.

By Eli (68.162.96.89) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 07:56 pm:

When the Spinners did their last Thom Bell produced album,we did the tracks at Armin Steiner's Sound Lab studio in L.A.
Armin shared a lot of stories with us'
Across the hall in studio b was Phillip Bailey wirking on a project.

In fact, whenever I produced records in L.A. there was always someone decent in the next studio wherever we were.

When I did the first Atlantic Starr album at Hollywood Sound, either E.W.F. or P Funk were in the next room.

Ahh, those were the days.

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 08:44 pm:

KevGo,
ThanksKev.
Lotta stories about "Never can say goodbye" written by Clifton Davis. Hal was on the board at NARAS at the time and quit it because they did not give his song 'Song of the year'. He said it out sold and and was played more than B. J. Thomas's "Raindrops keep fallin' on my head". Hal was a man of conviction. Any of you ever have his 'Motown Slush'?

By Weldon A Mc Dougal III (68.80.162.3) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 08:58 pm:

J5 Collector,yes you can scan the photo of Hal and Suzee, for the forum, you are the first to talk about the J5 book I did in 1984, Hal was a very good friend,
please scan,
WELDON

By doowopsvoice (198.81.26.170) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 09:18 pm:

J5 Coll,
It didn't have to be cold for Hal to wear that coat. His coat and his car prompted the Beverly Hills cops to stop him too many times. Another story he used to tell a lot.

By Edgar (200.46.135.97) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 11:46 pm:

J5 Coll, please do scan the photo and post it!!

By Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (68.80.162.3) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 09:41 am:

why Hal had a coat on, it was cold, in LA doing the day it was hot but at night it got cold,
WELDON

By BassLand (64.169.104.175) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 09:58 am:

Treena and Common are one in the same poster(Same IP address 208.8.159.228) Treena is trying to set up the notion that Carol Kaye played bass on "Aint No Mountain High Enough" a ploy that she has tried on other Message boards. Please set her straight.

By Sue (63.85.105.20) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 09:59 am:

Yeah Treena is on a mission.

By The Real Common LOL (152.163.252.68) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 10:03 am:

Please be advised that that "common" is not me!!! I noticed this "twin" on another thread! Bejeeze Louise, a little originality, ya think????

Peace!

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:11 am:

Lonnie:
What was Hal's "Motown Slush"?
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:13 am:

Carol Kaye did NOT play bass on the song. Period. OK, let's drop it!

By Russ Terrana (198.178.8.81) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 12:38 pm:

I can't express how much sadness I have for losing a great personal friend. Hal was a special person to me, not only did we crank out some classic songs, but became fast friends. Has was talented, smart and a true gentleman. If you were a friend to Hal, your porblems were small. There will never be another Hal Davis.

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 12:42 pm:

"David can you post this photo on the HAL DAVIS/ WEST COAST MOTOWN Michael Jackson, Suzee Ikeda, Hal Davis, we were at Mowest recording studio
at the time, photo by Weldon A. Mc Dougal III"

Thanks Weldon, I think this is the first time I've see Suzee too. Great photo and nice words from Russ above.

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 12:48 pm:

I'll try for a larger version

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 01:17 pm:

Wow...
Check out the funky threads!
Hal Davis - you were the man!
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By J5Collector (66.188.87.80) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 09:02 pm:

Thanks, David , for posting that great photo. I've been away for a while, so I couldn't answer the call, but a lot happens on this board in 24 hours!

To Weldon McDougall: thanks for the great book of photos. It's the best book out there on the early days of the Jackson 5. Terrific photos, most of which I've never seen before (and I thought I'd seen them all!) It's not easy to find, though.

By Treena (208.8.159.214) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 10:02 pm:

As I said before BassLand you are paranoid and Sue you don't even know me or what I am doing, so I suggest you keep your thoughts about me to yourself. BassLand is the one putting thoughts about me and what I think out to you, not me, I speak for myself.

Common you have the same ISP as Fayette, Johnnie and Stubass so don't give me any crap!

Great shots of Hal Davis!

By Treena (208.8.159.214) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 10:51 pm:

Jim Feliciano in Detroit. (152.163.252.68)
StuBass (152.163.252.68)

I apologized once for posting using (common) but I see lots of you doing this and I asked Ralph about it and now you call me on it!!!


Geeze are you folks just looking for arguments or can we all just get along here?????

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 10:57 pm:

TREENA!!!...I DON'T KNOW YOU...AND WOULD HAVE NO IDEA WHY SOMEONE WOULD WANT TO POST SOMETHING UNDER MY NAME...IF THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE!!!...I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT GOING ON HERE...AND REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WOULD DO SUCH A THING!!!...I HAPPENED ON THIS PARTICULAR THREAD BY ACCIDENT...AND SAW MY NAME...SO PERHAPS SOMEONE COULD EXPLAIN!!!...WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT???...WHY WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO FALSIFY THEIR IDENTITY???...AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE???...SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!...WITH ALL THE IDENTITY THEFT GOING ON IN OUR SOCIETY...WHY WOULD SOMEONE NOT WANT TO OWN UP TO THEIR OWN THOUGHTS???...IT'S PERPLEXING!!!...STUBASS

By Sue (205.188.209.109) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:04 pm:

As Scratcher tried to explain -- everyone who posts from America Online in roughly the same time period is funneled through the same ISP. It's a peculiarity of AOL that it has a set number of ISPs, and AOL users go through a variety of them. If I post late at night, I may come through a different AOL ISP than when I posted at 9 a.m. But if I'm posting at the same time as other AOL members, we'll have the same ISP.

I am not STUBASS, nor am I Bobby Eli, or Jim G or Dennis Coffey, yet I know those folks also come through AOL because often we have the same ISPs.

So STUBASS is STUBASS. Everybody has a different style of posting, and we can generally tell when someone's trying to pull a fast one.

By Kathy Lennon (205.188.209.109) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:08 pm:

Somebody's really a troublemaker here, eh?

Where is Eddy Welk???

By Scratcher (65.238.127.233) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:10 pm:

You're right Sue, I tried to explain, thought I did, but nobody was listening. It only happens with AOL users.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:12 pm:

OK..Sue cleared that all up. now let's move on please. Thank you Sue and Scratcher. I'm going to consider this a closed issue.

By Treena (208.8.159.214) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:16 pm:

Well I see that this is a real problem but why am I being called out for it then, I don't want any trouble, I will defend myself when someone says I said something I didn't.
I am sorry if I offended anyone. I just don't think its fair that I am being "called out" for it! I post my name and email address with my post, I am not hiding from anyone, I have nothing to hide!!!!!!

By Blondie&NonSense (198.81.26.170) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:19 pm:

Ralph I am 37,
I play the Kazooze on Eddie Welk's Greatest Hits Volume 2
just want to make sure everyone knows that..
I am a pro at microwave cooking..


Blondie

By Kathy Lennon (205.188.209.109) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:22 pm:

Blondie,

Stay the "f" away from Eddy, my fiance ...he ran off one night when we were going to announce our engagement in front of the rest of the Champagne Music Makers, those Welks are players ...but I found him now!

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:22 pm:

Treena,
I have to be honest here. I'm getting steamed. I asked that this issue be closed and I really do want that to happen. I must remind you that it was you that first suggested that Bassland was paranoid. I wasn't thrilled with that crack but I waited to see if this would resolve itself. If you have any problems please contact me off-forum. Other than that...this is OVER.

By Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (68.80.162.3) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:23 pm:

Thanks j5collector for the nice words about the j5 book,it is out of print, I did it 1984, if you would like to post some of the other photos,fill free.
WELDON

By Treena (208.8.159.214) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:23 pm:

OK..Sue cleared that all up. now let's move on please. Thank you Sue and Scratcher. I'm going to consider this a closed issue.

Treena agrees!

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:24 pm:

Oh Great! Another 37 year old blond Kazoo player.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:25 pm:

OK Treena....good,

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Saturday, June 28, 2003 - 12:13 am:

Kev,
Hal was notorious for inoffice meetings at three or four in the morning. He had an orange juice, vodka, and rum special concoction that he offered everyone that was guaranteed to "break the ice'. I cannot tell you what it tasted like because I always refused to accept it. He never told me what the amounts of anything were but he talked about it all the time. I thought some of you guys may have had the pleasure.

Weldon,
I saw your post on the coat, look at the posted picture and think about what you said. See a shirt? Hal was a one of a kind.

By Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (68.80.162.3) on Saturday, June 28, 2003 - 12:30 am:

you are right Lonnie he did not have a shirt on, I remember Hal came over to my hotel room one night,and had his special drink, I don't drink but I tryed it, I forget what it did to me,(smile) Hal and I used to have big fun.
WELDON

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 01:25 pm:

Lonnie:
Orange juice + vodka + rum = EEEOUUCH!
God bless ya, Hal - you were a much stronger man than many!
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By Larry (68.164.130.142) on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 02:06 am:

Helluva a thread Lonnie and Weldon. I'd like to hang with you guys and hear your stories.

Don't stop til we get enough!

By doowopsvoice (198.81.26.170) on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 02:30 am:

I started this topic because I could not find anything anywhere on the internet about my old musical compadre. I decided that I would design a website about Hal whenever I had enough material and backing so I came on asking for pictures to start with. Now I will broaden the solicitation to include anything that may be of interest. Hal was indeed a one of a kind selfconscious, but proudly creative musician. In case none of you knows he sang in groups, solo, duets, produced, managed,composed, sat on Boards (Consoles and organizational), seemingly worked 24+ hours a day, and was on call 24 hours a day to Berry Gordy Jr. He kept his job everytime the axe fell at Motown no matter what. He needed a secure place to keep that slush!!!!!!! Motown was never the same after his departure and we all miss the first 'Babyface' Hal Davis.

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 11:27 am:

Hal had his personal favorites as far as singers for background, instumental musicians, engineers, and songwriters and invariably he would use these over and over. Arthur Wright, James Gadson (another Kansas Citian), and Melvin Webb (formerly of Bloodstone and also K.C.)to name a few. I will never forget the time I worked with him on a song I had written and wanted to release because everything that transpired was typical of him but mostly foreign to me. He would never let his left hand know what the right was doing so as to be the one everyone had to rely on to get things done right. At four in the morning we met on the seventeenth floor at Sunset and vine and I sang the lyrics and arrangement as Hal taped it. That was the last of my involvement until I went into Appolo Studios to do the vocals. James, Arthur, and Melvin were all on the track he had recorded and I was elated to think that I was finally going to get what I wanted out of a recording session. When the track started it was apparent that each of the verses was 4 bars shorter than what had been dictated into the tape recorder. Hal had obviously allowed Arthur to do the rhythm tracks at his studio and me thinks Arthur thought that I had made a mistake, but I had not. Rather than scrap a song that I was so up on I restructured the lead vocal to fit what I was given to work with.

I would like to have more info on and pictures of people that worked with Hal on a regular basis so that when I do the website it will be more interesting. More stories would be nice, also.

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 02:42 pm:

Weldon/Treena
I am still waiting on at least three good pictures of Hal. I am definitely going to put up a page for him and will need at least that. Any factual info you can provide would be nice , too.
This will include his musical existence premotown as well. I do not know where he was born and was reared (I think L.A. ). I only know whatever Hal volunteered to disclose. Kevin Goins reminded me of a story Hal told me once about how he had to provide clothing for Barry White when Barry was down (never out). Hal decked him out with Sunday, go to meeting, threads.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 02:55 pm:

Lonnie:
In Barry White's autobiography, he does indeed mention Hal going through his closets and giving Barry his suits, ties, dress shirts since they wore the same size - "the coldest threads (Barry) had ever seen." Hal also told Barry that turning his wardrobe over was "the hip thing to do" in the LA circles (is is still hip? ). Barry said that Hal's genorosity helped boost his confidence at a time when he was struggling.

Kevin Goins - KevGo

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 02:19 am:

Kevin,
Still waiting to hear from you on the side but to answer your ? I never heard tell of anyone in Hollywood being altruistic or caring enough to share with someone like Hal did, and most people would not be caught dead wearing someone else's identifiable gladrags. So I think it was a dual purpose gesture for if anyone saw something on Barry that was that distinctively a hand me down from Hal it would have been perceived as an advertisement and would have bolstered Hal's career. Hal had no crappy clothing. Did you ever meet him? He dressed to dwarf an affliction. Bottom line is I think Hal shot one over someone's head if he in fact said it was the in thing to do.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 11:01 am:

Lonnie:
I've seen pics of Hal Davis dating back to the early 1960s and he was indeed a sharp dresser. Hal was indeed built like a linebacker (like our dear Mr. White) so for he & Barry to wear the same size is no surprise. Barry did describe in his book that Hal had some of the "coldest threads" he had ever seen and the clothing was indeed tailored.
Kevin Goins - KevGo
(PS - I'll go on Soulwalking later on and try to check out your music - I may have to use a different computer because mine is giving me the fits!)

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 02:31 pm:

KevGo,
Please listen and let's talk.

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 12:35 pm:

Does anyone know where to contact either Nolen or Crossley. This duo was produced by Hal Davis in 1981 and 82. At least one of them became very involved with writing and production at Motown. I did not get to know them very well, only met them once in his office. I would like to get them to comment on their recording and informal runins with Mr. Perfecto.

By Doowopsvoice (198.81.26.170) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 03:23 pm:

Weldon, where you been? I need those picture and other info on Hal. You can click on my name and e-mail me if you want to converse off forum.

By Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (68.80.162.3) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 03:53 pm:

hey doowop I'm trying to e-mail you
WELDON

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 10:04 am:

Weldon
I have never received any e-mail from you yet, try the click on at the bottom of the page at:

www.soulwalking.co.uk/Lonnie%20Cook.html

I cannot imagine why you have not been otherwise able to get one to me.

By Treena (207.254.31.164) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 10:16 am:

Lonnie, you will find it hard pressed to get any info about Mr. Hal Davis from the members here. If the truth were known, many would be upset with you for even talking about him here.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 10:32 am:

Treena,
Where do you get off saying something like that. Are you back to stir up more trouble? If you can't be constructive here please leave.

By doowopsvoice (198.81.17.189) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 10:56 am:

Treena
When I have enough info and pictures I am going to build a webpage on him, I really do not see any harm in that objective. When I searched all of the Motown related sites I could find no mention of him and to me that stinks. He made a helluva contribution to this business. If there is some reason that I am not aware of that would make that a bad idea just let mt know.

Thank you, Ralph, my skin has always been impervious to insult. Sometimes that hurts more than retaliation. For the record I am not here to upset anyone, but I have nevertheless.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 11:04 am:

Doowop,
I think it's great that you want to pay homage to Hal. I'm sure you will get all the help you need from forum memebers that have anything to contribute on this exceptionally talented producer. I'm sure it is apparent to us all that you are not here to upset anyone. I certainly didn't appreciate Treena's crack though. She obviously didn't even bother to read the thread.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 12:44 pm:

Doowop/Lonnie:
PLEASE disregard Treena's thread.

If there is anyone making trouble, it is her.

Like I said earlier, I'm glad you have brought up the works of Hal Davis, a man whose productions I've grown up listening to and admiring for years.

Kevin Goins - KevGo

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 12:51 pm:

Kev,
It's no surprise that Hal Davis is well respected here. It's time for Treena to stay away from here.

By Treena (207.254.31.164) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 01:14 pm:

I have read the thread and I noticed that Lonnie had to keep bumping it up before anyone would help him. I don't want trouble it was merely an observation. He has been asking for help for a couple of months now..its a great idea, I hope Hal Davis has a huge site, I love the mans work.

By Vonnie (141.151.88.67) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 01:19 pm:

Doowop/Lonnie,

Forum members are here to help each other in their quest for (constructive) knowledge. If there is anything that a forum member can help you with, they will gladly do so.

"Treena",

The forum has been been back to its FAMILY atmosphere since your hiatus. I beg you to please crawl back under your rock!

Vonnie

By Treena (207.254.31.164) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 01:24 pm:

Hal Davis and Rene Hall worked together on the Jackson 5 sessions, back in the day......hey Vonnie, thats not nice! I live above ground just like you.

Play nice, or I will get ugly....I was asked to help, check the names on the posts.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 01:40 pm:

Treena:
Your negativity - which you displayed from the git-go - is no help to anyone and any attempts of you "getting ugly" will only result in removal from the Forum.

Kevin Goins - KevGo

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 01:42 pm:

FYI:
I was one of the first to respond to Lonnie's post as well as a few others.
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By Treena (207.254.31.164) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 01:50 pm:

Good luck Lonnie, I sent you what I have and you can use all the pictures you want.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 01:53 pm:

Treena baby,
You get ugly on here and I'll be all over you like a cheap suit. Once and for all..Hal is revered here. Unfortunately he is not as well known by the forum members as other producers are. Hopefully we can help the forum get to know just what a exceptional man Hal was. ( remember..I speak from experience ) So don't get cute Treena. I'm being dead serious on this matter. Things are running smoothly and pleasently here since your last " visit " and I will tolerate no bull shit.

By BassLand (63.207.60.161) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 02:30 pm:

Where is Paulie Three Shoes when you need him?

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 02:33 pm:

Yeah BL..Maybe I should give old Paulie a jingle.

By observer (151.203.218.33) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 02:43 pm:

Interesting reading on Bassland re: Treena.

http://www.bassland.net/_discussion/00000350.htm

http://www.bassland.net/_discussion/0000035f.htm

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 02:55 pm:

Observer:
First of all, we have warned this woman to behave herself out here - she has not.

Second of all, your post regarding SD not having an agenda is way off base. David Meikle - one of the founders of this site and someone I know personally - has a goal for this site and that is to show people, especially our youth, the musical contributions made by one city. He has not only done that but allowed room out here on the forum to discuss other cities and contributors to soul/R&B.

Finally, the reason why "address" Treena is the same reason why we address each other - we don't let any post go unanswered.

Having said that, let's move on from this discussion of "Treena" or Carol Kaye or whoever she wants to call herself this time and focus on the music of Detroit.

Kevin Goins - KevGo

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 03:23 pm:

Thank you Kevin.

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 11:08 pm:

Kevin
Just sent you a pertinent e-mail.

Did you listen to the sounds?

BassLand
Why did Paulie have 3 shoes?
Must be over my head or before my time.
Is that a Sopranos reference?

By David Meikle (81.130.211.124) on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 03:35 am:

I'm trying my best to keep a low profile, but junk like this riles me no end.

Start reading the webisodes, that's what SoulfulDetroit's about.

Please remember that those who like to stir it up will go away...... if ignored.

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 05:57 pm:

Someone asked about the Brenda Holloway association and how close they came to matrimony, I, for one, have no definitive response on that issue. All I know for sure is that he did some serious duets with her, guided her career in the early years, and was there for her, throughout, while he was alive.

Where is Mona lisa Young, Nolen and Crossley, Thelma Houston, Diana Ross, and Michael J? Do they ever have input on the forum?

We need to compile a list of all the artists that he worked with, it will come in handy for the website. Put your thinking caps on, go thru those records, and you industry icons remember that , even after going to work for Berry, he was a notorious moonlighter. He worked with many artists during that period that were not signed to Motown, I was one.

FrancisT,
I am due to be on stage during that allnighter weekend so you will see me. They told me that LaMont Dozier, Gladys Horton (Marvelettes), and Chris James, the Natural Four lead, will be among the 40 artists on stage at one time or other.

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:08 am:

Still looking for a lot of answers and contact with artists that Hal produced and recorded. Where is Arthur Wright, Eddie Summers, and did you know Melvin Webb (deceased), from Bloodstone?

By paulie3shoes (64.12.97.7) on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:48 am:

eh, lonnie... its paulie(over here)
not fer nuttin but you axed erlier why do i have t'ree shoes.
well, eh ill tell it again.
when i was born an i wuz layin dere wit dem udder babies my blanket come off an my fadder took one look at me an he says to my mudder
"hey angelina,will ya take a look here...
by da size of dat t'ing hes gonna need t'ree shoes"!!!
so den dey started ta call me da name paulie t'ree shoes and when i got made dat wuz da name dey called me wit', capice??#$%^&*(CAPICE???$#$^

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:07 pm:

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, Whose alter ego are you?

By paulie3shoes (205.188.209.109) on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:18 am:

my name is paule3shoes not walter ego
an ya fergot da dubya,an dats sum udder guy
wit dat name..he is polish, like frum da nort' pole jus like dat fella santa klaws, capice??#$%^&*(

By Lonnie Cook (198.81.26.170) on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:38 am:

That is a mean mixture of Cajun, Italian, New York, and Pittsburg all rolled up into one obfuscated lingo, Paulie.

By paulie3shoes (205.188.209.109) on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:43 am:

t'anks fer da complment paisan,
anyting ya want, ANYTING..no problem
by da way i got sum tv's dat fell off a truck...
catch my drift???@#$^&

By doowopsvoice (198.81.26.170) on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:59 am:

Hey hey Paulie, i gotta tip for you

Let me help you with your Bball fundamentals, in this case your dribble. Next time you can further perfect it by not using the word pole behind your classic nort'. Overall it takes a fair degree of genius to construct it, in the first place, so don't think I do not appreciate it. Thank God for the art of language. I must admit though that ??#$%^&*( says nothing to me. Let's have some meaning to your leaning, and think of Hal and figure out how to get him back in this thread as you review what you said.


my name is paule3shoes not walter ego
an ya fergot da dubya,an dats sum udder guy
wit dat name..he is polish, like frum da nort' pole jus like dat fella santa klaws, capice??#$%^&*(

By Julian (205.188.209.109) on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:03 am:

Where can I hear or acquire these Hal Davis-Brenda Holloway duets?

By lonnie cook (198.81.26.170) on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 03:22 am:

Julian
I will check to see what I can find, whatever it is i will post for you.

By Julian (64.12.97.7) on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:21 am:

Gracias!

By Gerry Diez (198.81.26.170) on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 05:45 pm:

Julian,

I've had copies of "Unless I have you" b/w "It's You" by Brenda & Hal on Minisa. If you are interested in this or wish to have additional information, call me at (661)259-l500...8am to noon west coast time.

By Julian (205.188.209.109) on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 12:41 am:

Thanks, will do!

By doowopsvoice (198.81.26.170) on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 03:21 am:

Julian,
Gerry Diez ia a very famous doo wop collector and he deals with some very high priced merchandise, so if you have other things you are looking for do not hesitate to ask him. He was on my computer when he responded to you but is not accustomed to using it. His wife helps him with the computer and you can send him a message or a want list thru her and the live e-mail on his post.