By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 05:43 pm:

It is important that the Northern Soul Scene is properly represented and defended on this forum.

It is a way of life for thousands in the U.K.

I want to run a series of scans which give credit to those who help to keep alive and love African American music fom sixties America.

This first scan is from Okeh in Chicago. All tracks including ballads were played on the Northern Soul scene

Fellow Soul Music fans, which tracks, if any, are disgusting?

By MEL&THEN SOME (217.14.178.70) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 05:48 pm:

All Okeh to me David.
(andthensome)
mel.

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 05:56 pm:

The text is obviously "Northern Soul Obsession"

Here's a pic of Major Lance who was brought back to life on the NS scene.

Major passed a few years ago but we gave him something special beforehand....kudos deserving of a star.

Forgotten in his homeland.

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 06:07 pm:

The text is obviously "Northern Soul Obsession"

Here's a pic of Major Lance who was brought back to life on the NS scene.

The image is from forum regular Keith Rylatt of England.

Keith Rylatt has written a book about the beginnings of the Northern Soul scene. "Cen1179, The Twisted Wheel Story."

He will also present the first definitive book on the wonderful world of Sixties Detroit in the next few months.

Graham Finch's epic is still being written and I have had the privilege of escorting him on one of his many travels to the city.

Keith and Graham both frequented the Northern Soul scene, which gave rise to their love affair with the city of Detroit.

The Major passed a few years ago but we gave him something special beforehand....kudos deserving of a star.

Forgotten in his homeland, thank you England for keeping his name alive

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 06:31 pm:

David:
I hate to burst your bubble but I must defend my colleagues here in the USA.

Bob Irwin, Leo Sacks, Jeff Jones & Tony Martell are four executives within Sony Music Entertainment's Legacy Recordings that have worked very hard to keep the flame alive for the artists that have walked through the doors of Columbia/Epic Records & their affiliated labels.

Bob Irwin compiled a wonderful two-CD set (yes, two-CDs!)of Major Lance's work in the early 1990s. This was followed up by a single disc collection three years ago.

Leo "The Gentle Lion" Sacks issued a single-disc anthology called "Curtis Mayfield's Chicago Soul" that featured productions by Gene Chandler, Billy Butler, Major Lance and Walter Jackson. Leo also compile the Walter Jackson anthology "Welcome Home: The Okeh Sessions" that yours truly helped research.

Granted, the Northern Soul scene was first to reissue these recordings and I'll be the first to give credit. However, to say that these artists have been forgotten in his homeland is outrageous if not wrong. As long as oldies radio plays "The Monkey Time" & "Um, Um, Um, Um, Um Um Um", Major Lance will not be forgotten. As long as my dear friend Felix Hernandez keeps playing Walter Jackson records on his Rhythm Revue radio program (which has been on the air for over 20 years!) - a show that is available on internet radio - Carl Davis' dearest friend will never be forgotten.

Respectfully submitted,
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 06:32 pm:

Good grief! There's a volume 2.

Chicago and it's historians owe London, England.

Again,if there's much shit on this NS CD, please open up a discussion.

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 06:42 pm:

Kevin

I'm talking about 1970 in terms of the Northern Soul scene playing these lost tunes.

In the USA these songs were written off.

FACT.

What I'm displaying here are the cd's that some of your countrymen think are disgusting.

Don't tell me that you're bursting my bubble...NO CHANCE.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 06:56 pm:

David:
Here's my response to Maury's post to remind you where I stand with his comments:

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 03:59 pm:
Maury:
Speak for yourself about the Northern Soul compilations! I've purchased at least 15 different N.S. CDs and I was never disappointed. If anything, it helped me learn more about the music that came from the African-American experience (and I speak as an African-American).
Kevin Goins - KevGo

You seem to want to have some kind of discussion yet your combative nature tells me otherwise.

I'm tired of being the nice guy out here, David. I've done my best to help keep the peace as well as share my knowledge on soul & R&B music. Yet if folks cannot have a healthy discussion where we "agree to disagree" at times (and God knows that has happened on more than one occasion) then maybe it's time for me to take a "siesta" from Soulful Detroit and restrict my visiting the Forum to a once-in-a-while thing. I say this with sadness because it's one thing when we disagree testily among ourselves - it's another when the founder is fighting among his flock.

Respectfully...
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 07:09 pm:

Kevin

One thing I try to do is never change my tune.

I am not going to listen to crap levelled to the current Four Tops LineUp.

I am not going to listen to nonsense/lies regarding the Northern Soul scene.

I must remind you that America slept while we danced.

That may be unpalatable to you but that is a fact.

We have kept alive part of your heritage.

All I ask is we don't get crap saying that what we like is disgusting.

This thread is going to expand and show up the critics for what they are.

David
p.s. you've conveniently forgotten some grief you caused regarding Jackie Wilson!

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 07:20 pm:

David:
I'm no angel nor do I claim to be. I have appreciated the fact you supported me through the Jackie Wilson issue and have expressed my appreciation.

I've also expressed my appreciation for the Northern Soul troops of past & present for keeping this music alive for over thirty years and continue to do so.

Granted, there are Americans who feel jealous about the good the Northern Soul scene has done. Unfortunately, when someone tries to do good, there's always gonna be some miserable person who wants to rain on the parade. It comes with the territory. The best one can do is separate the ones who are being real jerks from the ones who are just wondering what the big deal is and deal with them accordingly.

All this is being said David out of respect to you and the folks who have kept the fire burning for over three decades. All I meant from my original post is to show that there are good people who now have the power & the pull to do now what Adrian Croasdale, Ted Carroll & Roger Armstrong have done for decades.

Respectfully (and sadly) submitted,
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By : (198.81.26.231) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 07:27 pm:

low blow DM!!

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 07:29 pm:

Low blow all you want you fuckin' anonymous idiot.

By Red Stick (209.215.117.4) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 07:34 pm:

Having interviewed many musicians through the years, it's obvious that the British and Europeans are generally far more appreciative of classic American blues, R&B and jazz than Americans themselves. That's just the fact, Jack. At the same time, I'm appreciative of the Yanks who love the vintage sounds of Chicago, New Orleans, Detroit and Memphis. These fans do exist, though in relatively small numbers. New Orleans musicians and music fans will tell you their own neighbors don't appreciate them or even know their names.

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 07:41 pm:

Thanks for your input Red Stick

When I visit Detroit, I find that folks want to talk especially since they are long forgotten.

I have every respect for Joe Moorehouse and Eric Silvenis and Ron Murphy, who are possibly the exception.

By MEL&THEN SOME (217.14.178.13) on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:02 am:

Hey David
I Have that Major Lance album on uk Columbia.
had it now for years.
mel.

By Nish (170.224.224.134) on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:30 am:

I don't know why this has to be a U.S.-Britain thing. If you like and appreciate the music, it doesn't matter who kept the fires burning, what matters is we still can listen to the music. I mean, really. I was nursed to this music, I live for this music, and I live the music and a lot of us do. I'm proud to be a part of the culture from which this music springs, but for the debate to degenerate into a "well we kept it alive" sort of debacle is a bit upsetting to me.

The true "propers" go to the people who created these records in earnest to give us something to groove to. Thanks to the fresh-faced singers, the optimistic entrepreneurs, the engineers, the writers, the producers, etc. EXTREME AND EVER FAITHFUL GRATITUDE to the culture - my culture - that has brought soul music forth from HARD TIMES. That music was not just hit records, and dancefloor crowders, but it was LIFE for my parents, grandparents, etc. It was Friday night at a hop. It was going to the well to get spring water. Really, this is what it's all about, and whether Britain kept it alive or Americans slept on it, is immaterial. There's a lot of life, a lot of soul embodied in those records, all of them, from Marvin Gaye and James Brown to The Tiffanys and Jay Wiggins. The fact is, we just need to continue to listen to it and be thankful for the fact that these people chose the music inside them with us.

The cool thing about the Northern soul scene is the egalitarian way in which the records are regarded. "Are You Angry" by the Servicemen can get the crowd excited just as much as the Tempts "Get Ready." That's very refreshing to me, but I think there are enough serious issues in our daily lives we face than to argue over who REALLY kept all the soul alive U.S. or Britain? Because we wouldn't be talking without the grooves. Come on guys, think happy thoughts, post happy posts.

By Nish (66.119.34.39) on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:32 am:

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Forgot the "To share" in original post.

By David Meikle (81.130.211.124) on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 03:43 am:

Nish

I'll say it again.

I'm not going to sit here and have the Northern Soul scene labelled as disgusting.

This is not a UK-US thing.

If you ever get the chance to meet me, you'll find that I am the number one fan of the United States of America.

I live for Detroit.

Also please don't patronise me about this being about those who made the music.

What do you think SoulfulDetroit is all about.

By David Meikle (81.130.211.124) on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 04:07 am:

Kevin

Paragraph 1 of your last posting.

Please note that I got a huge amount of grief from that particular cannonball.

No way did I support you or your remarks.