By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 01:54 pm:

Can anyone help Graham with info on any of the undernoted 45's?

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 02:27 pm:

JUST THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD MAKES ME THINK!!!...70'S DETROIT!!!...TEMPTATIONS...STOCK GOING DOWN!!!...SPINNERS...STOCK GOING UP!!!...

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 02:34 pm:

DMEIKLE - I know a Greg Dokes (keyboard). I wonder if it's the same Gregory Dokes on the Midwest label.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 02:34 pm:

DAVID: PERHAPS I CAN HELP YOU A BIT ON THIS ONE!!!...I WAS AFFILIATED WITH PROBE 1...ALONG WITH IVY HUNTER...JOHN MAXEY (WHO WAS A NICE GUY AND A HIGH SCHOOL COUNSELOR IN HIGHLAND PARK)...CURTIS GADSON (DARIN) A FORMER "STRIDE" MATE OF MINE...RON SANDERS (FORMER DETROIT TV NEWSCASTER)...AN ATTORNEY NAMED HARRY (CAN'T REMEMBER HIS LAST NAME FOR THE LIFE OF ME)!!!...I WAS ASKED TO HOOK UP WITH THEM IN THE MID-LATE 70'S...AND THE CUT YOU ARE SHOWING WAS PRIOR TO MY INVOLVEMENT!!!...WE HAD A BUNCH OF TUNES...MOSTLY WRITTEN BY IVY...AND SOME BY CURTIS!!!...JUST NEVER GOT THE PROJECT TOTALLY OFF THE GROUND...ALTHOUGH THE MAIN THRUST OF OUR COMPANY WAS BASED ON IVY'S MATERIAL...OLD AND NEW!!!...STU

By Horse (159.53.32.41) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 03:58 pm:

Greg Dokes plays around Detroit and specifically with Gwen Fox in a group called Back To Back appearing at Floods on Sunday nights. If they are not the same person, I would take a chance at betting they are related. Greg is an excellent keyboardist.

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 05:33 pm:

Horse - Yes, he is great on the keyboard. He is currently with Dennis Edwards. I'll check it out to see if it is him, or someone in his family.

By acooolcat (61.58.181.126) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 09:39 pm:

Thanks for the feedback.
I should scan the other side of the Banner 45 as it credits a few people, Mike Stokes for one. There was a recording by Silver Shadow on De-To, but there doesn't appear to be any connection with this Banner 45.
Stubass, many thanks for the great info! I see there's an address on the label; Who lived there - or was it a studio? Is that Ivy Joe Hunter, of Motown, etc? There was a label called Probe too, I know of just one 45 by a group called North By Northwest, released c. 1975. Who was in this group - you? And do you have any idea who Empulse were?
Sis - I knew you'd have your finger on the button! Any details would be greatly appreciated.
It seems to me that the New Detroit label had a connection to GM.
Thanks again,
Graham

By acooolcat (61.58.181.126) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 09:47 pm:

Stubass
Does a label called Red Line mean anything to you? It seems to be connected to Probe; I know of just one 45 released around 977 by a group called Citation.
Cheers,
Graham

By David Meikle (81.130.211.124) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 03:36 am:

See what you started Stu?

Great stuff.

By Horse (159.53.238.241) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 10:15 am:

Sis,

I'm guessing that Greg Dokes would have been pretty young (teens) during those seventies recordings. Do you think that could be a relative with the same name? I'm glad to hear he is working with Dennis.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 12:05 pm:

THANKS GUYS!!!...TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION...PROBE 1 AND 2...IT WAS ACTUALLY PROBE 2 WHEN I GOT INVOLVED!!!...HARRY'S LAST NAME...BY THE WAY...WAS GIBSON...FORMER MILITARY JET FIGHTER TURNED LAWYER!!!...THE REDLINE LABEL DOESN'T RING A BELL (AT LEAST NOT DURING MY TIME WITH THOSE GUYS)...WE DID RELEASE A COUPLE OF SIDES ON CURT GADSON (DARIN)...BUT THAT STUFF WAS SIGNED TO BUDDAH RECORDS!!!...THE ADDRESS IS NOT FAMILIAR...CERTAINLY NOT IVY'S...JOHNS...OR ANY OF THE OTHER GUYS I CAN THINK OF'S HOUSE...BUT THERE WAS NO OFFICE OR ANYTHING!!!...WE USUALLY MET AT HARRYS LAFAYETTE PARK CONDO FOR BUSINESS...OR OVER AT IVY'S HOUSE FOR REHERSING MATERIAL!!!...THE LATE ROBERT WHITE (FUNK BROTHER) WAS ALSO WORKING WITH US ON SOME STUFF!!!...SOMEONE MENTIONED MICHAEL STOKES...AND WE PARTICIPATED IN PRODUCING A TELEVISION SPECIAL FOR CHANNEL 2 IN DETROIT ("THE SOUND OF NEW DETROIT") THAT CURTIS AND RON PUT TOGETHER...AND WE FEATURED MICHAEL AND ENCHANTMENMT IN THE FEATURE...AS WELL AS USING SOME OF OUR OWN MATERIAL FOR THE SHOW...CURTIS SANG AND CO-WROTE THE TITLE SONG!!!...THE RELEASE ON CURTIS WAS TITLED "LAZY AFTERNOON"!!!...WE HAD A LOT OF IVY JO MATERIAL WE WERE WORKING WITH!!!...I WAS TRYING TO GET IT INTO THE HANDS OF RAY CHARLES THROUGH RAZ RASPBERRY...HIS THEN MANAGER...SINCE IVY HAD SOME STUFF THAT I FELT WOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT UP RAY'S ALLEY!!!...I WISH I STILL HAD MY DEMO TAPE FROM THOSE DAYS...IVY HAD A LOT OF GOOD TIMELESS MATERIAL...SOME OF WHICH HAD BEEN RECORDED AT MOTOWN...OTHER STUFF...JUST MATERIAL THAT HAD BEEN REWORKED THROUGH THE YEARS!!!...THATS ABOUT ALL THE DETAILS THAT I REMEMBER RIGHT NOW...OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE MUCH MONEY WITH THE COMPANY...WE ALL HAD OTHER JOBS...BUT WE DID HAVE FUN WORKING TOGETHER ON THAT STUFF!!!...STU

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 01:15 pm:

Horse - Greg was in his teens in the 70's. He went to school with Wendal. I've mentioned the label to Wendal and he is going to ask Greg if he knows a Gregory Dokes.

By Horse (159.53.32.41) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 02:25 pm:

Sis,

That's cool. I'll be looking forward to the update. Do you know if Greg is still playing the Flood dates between gigs with Dennis? The last time I saw him was a few years ago at the Smooth Jazz On The River concert in Trenton. I was with Orthea and he was getting setup for his set. By the way, please ask Wendal if knows guitarist Kevin Carter who is saxophonist James Carters brother. We're all about the same age. Kevin is an absolute joy to play with. Groove city.

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 07:56 pm:

Horse - Wendal says he knows Kevin Carter. He hasn't seen him in a couple years. Mr. Wendal also said he has heard of the group "Empulse", they may be a jazz group.

Greg stays on the road with Dennis, but when he is in town, he sings with Gwen (his wife).

By acooolcat (61.58.181.126) on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 03:58 am:

Hi Stubass, and thanks again for the info.
Was Harry Gibson the owner of Probe and providing the funding for the sessions?
As far as I know Mike Stokes wasn't invloved in the Probe recordings - his name is on the Banner 45, which is scanned above.
Horse and Sis - Gregory Dokes co-wrote the flip of the Midwest 45, a song titled - Don't Let This World Turn You Cold.
Thanks again,
Graham

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 10:46 am:

HEY GRAHAM!!!...WHEN I WAS INVOLVED...ALL THE MATERIAL HAD BEEN CUT...BUT HARRY DID PUT UP SOME "DUCKETS"!!!...MICHAEL STOKES WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE PROBE THING...BUT WHEN WE DID OUR T.V. SPECIAL...WE WENT TO JACKIE TANN'S STUDIO AND DID A SEGMENT WITH MICHAEL ABOUT THE ENCHANTMENT THING...REFERRING TO HIS WORK AS PART OF "THE SOUND OF NEW DETROIT"!!!...WE ALSO DID A FEATURE ON "ORCHESTRA HALL"...WHICH HAD JUST BEEN REFURBISHED...AND FEATURED CURTIS!!!...STU

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 04:20 pm:

Three more from Graham.....

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 04:24 pm:

GUYS!!!...I MAY HAVE TO MAKE A PHONE CALL TO FIND MORE OUT ABOUT GREG DOKES!!!...IT MAY WELL BE SOMEONE THAT I HAVE KNOWN IN THE PAST...BUT IT JUST DOESN'T RING A BELL!!!...I KNOW THAT HE WAS NOT WORKING WITH US WHEN I WAS INVOLVED!!!...STU

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 04:53 pm:

Oh oh...Angel Daddy's having a " senior moment '. Better write down all the names of those Angels Stu.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 05:03 pm:

NOT EXACTLY RALPH!!!..."ANGEL DADDY" JUST DOESN'T KNOW IF HE EVER MET THE INDIVIDUAL IN QUESTION...AND KEEP IN MIND...LOT'S OF MIND ALTERING MATTER BACK IN THOSE DAYS!!!...AS FOR MY "ANGELS"...I CAN RATTLE EM OFF LIKE ROLL CALL AT THE "MICKEY MOUSE CLUB"!!!...STU(CUBBY...DARLENE...ANNETTE...ROY...ETC)BASS

By acooolcat (61.58.181.126) on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 11:48 pm:

The De-To and Banner 45s have "Silver Shadow" connections - but I'm not sure that they're directly related.
Does anyone know any of the writers on the De-To 45?
Thanks,
Graham