By DELL (12.14.39.66) on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 06:17 pm:

ANY TRUTH THAT BARRINTON HAS A SOLO CD ON THE WAY, IF SO DOES ANYONE HAVE INFO ON RELEASE DATE, OR WHO THE PRODUCER, WRITERS OR BACKGROUND SINGERS MAY BE

By Heikki (62.71.79.239) on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 03:02 am:

Hi Dell!
Yes, Barrington: Best Kept Secret on UgoBo.
It should be in the mail for me already.
Heikki

By medusa9e2003 (66.73.6.0) on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 08:16 am:

That's 2 bad he is on his own now. I think he was good 4 the Temps.
GC Cameron needs 2 B real, ruff and ready, if he is 2 lead the Temps.

By ..... (207.241.96.10) on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 09:20 am:

Did Barrington leave? If yes, did GC replace him?

By Counterpoint (68.59.187.133) on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 10:24 am:

Barrington did not leave.I'll see Temptations tomorrow. Saw them at the end and Bo was still with them.

By Dee (65.238.19.213) on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 12:12 pm:

Hi everyone,

I had read on one of the forums that the Tempts were working on some kind of special. I don't know if this was for a television special or for a video release. Does anyone have any information on this?

By the count (65.60.201.174) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 08:03 pm:

I got a little carried away at my warehouse and brought more home then I planed,but Richard Street was and is a good friend of mine,and we speek when I'am in Vegas,please get on here RICHARD.Anyhow,i though this would be nice to post as the thread is up to #3hree now,and will grow i'am sure.Someday if it's alright with RALPH and DAVID,I'd like to post more of the posters which would fit this forum.I even have one I took from the Ann Arbor free John Sinclair Concert.I never was into the hippy scene or flower power thing,but i always believed in supporting our local bands and entainers,and if posters were on the poles or any easy access,ol sticky fingers COUNT was there.
"COUNT"

By the count (65.60.201.174) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 08:16 pm:

Sorry forgot to shrink it....hope this is better
"Count"

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 10:41 pm:

NICE COUNT!!!..."NOT TO PROUD TO BEG"???...STU

By Diego (152.163.252.68) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 11:27 pm:

Ahh, count, thanks for that image of the Temps at the Fillmore Auditorium! I have many fond memories of that place in the 1960s.

By Kdubya (206.126.224.7) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 08:55 am:

Great Poster, Far Away had to be Fading Away....hmmmm those darn printers.....:-)I have been looking for some of these posters for years ........

By R&B (138.238.41.118) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 11:03 am:

HOW CAN I GET MY HANDS ON SOME OF THOSE POSTERS,THEY ARE GREAT!

By Soul Sister (68.73.167.246) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 11:58 am:

R&B;
You might check with "Village Music" in Mill Valley, CA. They have posters dating back to the 1920's everything! Mr. Goddard just might have some of what your looking for, for sale. Hollywood goes to him whenever they need some nostaga. He also has glossys and old vynal, etc..
S.S.

By R&B (138.238.41.118) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 12:08 pm:

THANKS,SOUL SISTER,YOU HAVE A WEALTH OF MUSICAL KNOWLEDGE TOO,SO KEEP IT COMIN S.S.KEEP IT COMIN!

By Counterpoint (206.215.212.12) on Saturday, June 14, 2003 - 06:07 pm:

Saw the Temptations at Riverbend and Bo is with them. They were really good, dancing and singing up a storm.

By janebse (68.63.4.162) on Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 08:08 pm:

I just read that the Temptations will have an album released in 2003 titled PSYCHEDELIC SOUL. Does anyone know anything about it?

By MEL&THEN SOME (212.159.52.148) on Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 08:27 pm:

Hey Count,
did that poster come via
a chainsaw moment(hee,hee)
regards
your friendly Telegraph pole agent.

By the count (69.14.141.142) on Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 08:55 pm:

Hey MEL,Yea,a chain saw moment.I think i drank a can of stupid juice that day,but i was pissed that the cop was such an a----le,not as friendley as you.
"COUNT"

By P.J. (209.114.157.181) on Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 09:42 pm:

"Psychedlic Soul" is one of 2 flagship cd's being released on June 24th as part of a Motown Funk series of re-issues. (An Undisputed Truth funk compilation is the other; a Rick James set featuring artists he produced/wrote for was also mentioned but currently on hold for clearances). The Temps release is a 2 cd set culled from the Norman Whitfield era , late 60's early 70's. the announced highlight will be a previously unreleased extended version of 'Pschedelic Shack'

By P.J. (209.114.157.181) on Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 09:44 pm:

"Psychedlic Soul" is one of 2 flagship cd's being released on June 24th as part of a Motown Funk series of re-issues. (An Undisputed Truth funk compilation is the other; a Rick James set featuring artists he produced/wrote for was also mentioned but currently on hold for clearances). The Temps release is a 2 cd set culled from the Norman Whitfield era , late 60's early 70's and will feature the long album versions. The announced highlight will be a previously unreleased extended version of 'Pschedelic Shack'

By Sue (205.188.209.109) on Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 09:47 pm:

It's verrrrrry cool

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 12:27 pm:

Hey Folks:
I purchased a new DVD player (my first!) on Saturday and picked up a DVD of the ABC-TV series "The Music Scene" (aired 1969-1970). There was a clip of the Tempts performing "I Can't Get Next To You" without Paul Williams! It was the Dennis-Eddie-Otis-Melvin and the mix was weird (Dennis was live, the rest of the group was lip-synching) and Otis was mouthing his part AND Paul's! (yikes!). Was this at the time when Paul was sick and couldn't make a few gigs? It was strange not to see Paul on the screen.
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 12:37 pm:

KevGo - That is interesting. I've not heard of that DVD. Is there anything else interesting on that DVD?

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 12:56 pm:

The Music Scene DVD features telecasts from the ABC-TV series that aired between September 1969 and January 1970, hosted by David Steinbert. My DVD has artists such as Smokey Robinson & the Miracles ("Who's Gonna Take The Blame"), Bobby Sherman ("Little Woman"), Buffy Saint-Marie (I forgot what tune!), Rascals ("Carry Me Back"), Lou Rawls ("Your Good Thing Is About To End"), Isaac Hayes with Hot Buttered Soul ("Walk On By"), Sly & the Family Stone (tunes from their "Stand" LP) among others. Four hours of cool stuff.
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 12:57 pm:

Whoops! That's David Steinberg!
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 01:18 pm:

Thanks KevGo! It sounds really great.

By motownfan100 (172.138.229.239) on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 12:21 pm:

Any Bo Hendersen fans better catch him this weekend cuz it's the last time you will see him as a Temptation. GC is taking his place and I can't wait to see what a true vocalist is going to bring to the group. I'd imagine that now there will be another group of Tempts out there although Bo could never have the success of Dennis and his merry band of Tempts.

By Kdubya (206.126.224.7) on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 05:24 pm:

Uh Motown Fan, could you please elaborate further. The Tempts are scheduled to be in Chicago July 25 along with the Whispers & Ojays and this doesn't sound right. Details ????????

By motownfan100 (64.12.97.7) on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 05:38 pm:

Bo won't be there by the time the Tempts get to Chicago. It will GC Cameron. Go and get what I hope will be an improvement vocally over the mediocrity of the last 4 yrs since Theo left the group.

By Sue (63.85.105.20) on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 06:14 pm:

Good for G.C.

By MOTOWNFAN 200 (152.163.252.68) on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 10:38 pm:

MOTOWNFAN 100: WHAT IS YOUR HANG UP WITH HATIN' ON BO ???? OH BUT I FORGOT, THAT'S JUST YOUR *POOR* HUMBLE OPINION. LOL *G.C. CAMERON* BETTA "BRING IT" WITH IS OLD 70'S LOOKING SELF. NOW OTIS WONT FEEL THE COMPETITION WITH SOMEONE YOUNGER "BLOCKIN' ALL THE TIME." HE'S A JEALOUS AND VENDICTIVE MAN. THAT'S ALL THAT'S ABOUT. IT'S A D*CK THANG. MOTOWNFAN, IF YOU'RE A GUY, YOU CAN RELATE. IT'S ALL ABOUT WHO CAN GET THE MOST HUNNIES. AS FINE AS BO IS, THEY WONT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS NOW WITH HIM OUT OF THE WAY. :0D BEST OF LUCK TO BO AND HIS FUTURE ENDEAVORS. IN MY OPINION, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT BO LIKE SOME OF THE FORMER TEMPTS WILL FORM A GROUP IN THE NAME OF *THE TEMPTATIONS* SINGING "THEIR" SONGS. HE ALREADY HAS A CD OUT. IF HE FORMS ANYTHING IT WILL BE TO PROMOTE HIS OWN WORK. I LOVE HIS NEW CD. BTW MOTOWNFAN 100, GOT ANY *POOR* OPINIONS ABOUT VOICELESS TERRY??? THE BEST GROUP OF TEMPTS WILL ALWAYS BE THE "CLASSIC FIVE," EXCLUDING NONE-SINGING OTIS.

By motownfan100 (172.136.123.110) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 08:56 am:

No hang ups at all about Bo with the exception of not being as talented as ANY of the former lead singers of the Tempts. At least GC does stand a chance to fill the big shoes that are waiting for him. I could care less what he looks like as long as he can sing the songs with integrity and at least know the right lyrics (Bo seemed to look to the side of the stage for help every now and then).
As far as Otis is concerned I have to agree with you that he is a non singing mofo but he holds ALL the cards in that situation (along with Shelley the Burgler), so whatever Otis wants Otis gets. If it wasn't for Otis "riding the hair off the horse" you would have never heard of Bo. I also agree with you that Terry's voice is blew out but at least he has natural talent and is not a "poor copycat of several lead vocalists" like Bo. And yes I agree that the best group of Tempts is the classic 5 and there will never be a replacement for that. Even Otis's weak but fitting vocal included. Last but not least Motownfan200 you should'nt use words that you can't spell.

By P.M. Berton (208.39.161.193) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 09:25 am:

Bo actually recorded some really nice sides with the Temptations. "How Could He Hurt You" and "Lady". He is a good singer. The Temptations however neee GREAT lead voices and that's is probaly why they've recruited Mr. G.C.Cameron.

Also all this Otis hating is rediculous. He is a stabilizing voice in The Temptations. Any touring combination of former lead singers never equaled to THE TEMPTATIONS you need Otis. Like it or not!

By Sue (152.163.252.68) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 10:00 am:

Perhaps you should ask the women of the Forum what they think of G.C. Cameron. I know what SisDetroit will say for one ...

By Motownfan100 (172.136.123.110) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 10:02 am:

Stable is not a word I'd use for the warbling that he does. Decent background singers have been a dime a dozen since the beginning of time. You are right about one thing though, they need a GREAT singer which is not so easy to find. You too should not use words that you can't spell.

By Counterpont (68.63.4.162) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 10:06 am:

KevGo,

I have that Music Scene. For me, Eddie steals the show. I really like that rendition of "I Can't Get Next To You," dance movements and all. While I miss Paul, I find myself watch the three and Dennis not at all. As I say, sweet Eddie steals the show.

Sure hope Cameron doesn't still look like he did in the '80's.

By P.M. Berton (208.39.161.193) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 10:15 am:

Otis Williams is the key to the Temptations sound. The background is just as important as the lead. The Temptations "Wings Of Love" album was not as good because the Temptations harmonies were missing from many of the tunes. Your theory on background singers would mean we could place any singers behind David Ruffin and it would sell. Of course we know the answer to that. Finally don't confuse errors in typing as words we can't spell. Negativity is not what this forum is about. There are plenty of other Soul-sites that thrive on negative gosip.

By MotFan2 (152.163.252.68) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 10:36 am:

G. C. Cameron is a better singer than Bo but lookswise he's stuck in the '70s. If someone started a singer with the largest forehead thread G. C. would get the most first place votes. He should deep six the process, get a makeover, and be forced to torch all of his bellbottom pants and platform shoes.

P.M., when you typed gosip did you mean gossip or some other word? Explain how Otis Williams is the key to the Temptations sound?

By P.M. Berton (208.39.161.193) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 11:53 am:

I don't know MotFan2 an intelligent person like you would probably decifer a type -o. Otis must be the key to the Temptations sound. Has there ever been a Temptations without Otis? Duh!

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 12:14 pm:

Motownfan100:
Hey, you are entitled to your opinion regarding Barrington but can you PLEASE present your views without the negative tone & attitude. As you can see here in the Forum we all agree to disagree but it's done without leaving a bitter taste in the mouth. We're all a friendly bunch out here so can we keep it that way, please. Thanks.
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By Kdubya (206.126.224.7) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 01:11 pm:

I am sorry that Bo is gone,if indeed that is true. He,like Ali and Dennis before him were truly cut in the Temptation mold. I happen to like Terry Weeks voice although he does strain on occasion. He and Bo complimented each other well. The duo I really loved was Ali & Theo....they had magic. But frankly folks I just don't see GC Cameron as a Tempt.....maybe a replacement singer for a set or two but not full time. And guys lastly I am not a hater but there has to be something to this revovling door policy of lead singers for the Tempts. If they didn't have such an extensive catolog of hit records that has sustained their popularity over the years they would have bit the dust a long time ago. I wish them well but I am not overly optimistic about GC doing a Tempt thang, but you never know. Ooops one last observation, GC is in the same age bracket as the Big O aint he ?

By Sue (63.85.105.20) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 01:17 pm:

No G.C. is Stevie Wonder's age, that would make him -- 53? So he was in the younger tier of Motown stars.

Otis is in his '60s ...G.C. was considerably younger than the other Spinners, who of course started the group in the '50s -- he didn't join up with them til '67 I believe it was, after he did a tour in Vietnam.

By DELL (12.14.39.66) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 01:30 pm:

KevGo: I AGREE
P.M. BERTON : AS MUCH AS I ADMIT THAT OTIS HAS BEEN THERE FROM THE BEGINNING, HE HAS "ALWAYS" BEEN THE ONE MEMBER WHO HAS BEEN EXPENDABLE, HIS YEARS OF EXPERIENCE MAKES HIM A VERY GOOD VOCALIST I MUST SAY, BUT, COMPARED TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF ANY PAST TEMPT LINE-UP, THERE IS NOTHING "SPECIAL" ABOUT HIS VOCALS. THRU THE YEARS HE HAS TAKEN ALL OF THAT TEMPT EXPERIENCE AND PASSED IT DOWN TO EACH LINE-UP, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN, THE TEMPTATION STYLE AND SOUND, BUT TO THINK THAT "HIS" VOICE WAS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THAT STYLE AND SOUND IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY. OTIS IS DOING WHAT OTIS DOES BEST......HOLDING ON AND MAINTAINING.

By janebse (68.63.4.162) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 03:00 pm:

I'm going to see the Tempts at San Antonio next weekend, and I just saw the Tempts with Bo at Riverbend. I'm excited so I reread the notes of the Tempts first appearance at the Copacabana after David left and Dennis joined. The Temptations didn't get to be legendary without working really hard at their job and knowing what they were doing. Here are the notes on the Copa appearance. I'm hoping San Antonio will be just such an event.

"The Temptations drew one of the biggest audiences in Copa history with their first show there since the team was rerostered. Many of the opening-nighters might have entered with a curious wonder about either the new sound or the capability of The Temptations' new lead. The convincing show began with a bang, rumbled into a booming medley of hits and exploded in a grand manner with the first live performance of their new "Please Return Your Love To Me" marking the official entry of Dennis Edwards into the group. Now, even the most cynical were convinced that The Temptations were in rare form and the tradition of Tempt quality was guaranteed. Really outstanding was the strategic handling of familiary sdongs from the Tempts' hit-toll, and the fresh soul styling brought to the performance as each one of the remaining Temptations, namely Eddie Kendricks, Otis Williams, Melvin Franklin and Pau Williams, took the vocal lead. MLixing a few standards with with their smash material, The Temptations gave the Copa crowd a cross-section of talent that was nothing short of phenomenal. Everyone at the show left charged with the electricity of the evening, freshened in the knowledge that the Temptations had come through a crisis shining and surging with a magnetic appeal which had viewers dancing behind the ringside tables in one of the very, very few demonstrations of its sort at the posh club....a smashing performance...the birth of the new Tempts."

By Motownfan100 (172.203.235.254) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 03:04 pm:

Just calling it like I see it. And I've seen it enough times to know.

By Heikki (62.71.79.239) on Saturday, June 21, 2003 - 01:43 am:

Hi Sue!
George Curtis Cameron - September 23, 1945
Crathman Plato Spencer - January 13, 1938
William Pleasant Henderson - August 9, 1939
Henry Lee Fambrough - May 10, 1938
Pervis Angelo Jackson - May 17, 1938
Bobbie Steel Smith - April 10, 1936
Edgar Allen (Chico) Edwards - April 13, 1945
George Dixon - 1938
Best regards
Heikki

By MOTOWNFAN200 (205.188.209.109) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 09:37 am:

MOTOWNFAN:

FORGIVE ME FOR NOT BEING THE SPELLING BEE WINNER IN SCHOOL.

HERE'S THE "EXPLINATION, EXPLENATION, or is it EXPLANATION?" HA HA!

NONE=NON , THAT WAS A TYPO. VENDICTIVE=VINDICTIVE, I REALIZED I TYPED "E" INSTEAD OF "I" AFTER IT POSTED. I WAS UNABLE TO CORRECT IT THEN.

THANKS TEACHER MOTOWNFAN FOR POINTING THAT OUT. YOU MUST OF BEEN THE "BEE" WINNER I LOST TO EVERY YEAR. WOW! NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE A COMPLEX FOR SPELLING A FEW WORDS WRONG.

"LAWD HEP MI NUH!" LMAO!

By MOTOWNFAN200 (205.188.209.109) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 10:51 am:

HEY GUY'S!

I'M JUST GETTING HOME FROM ATLANTIC CITY. I ATTENDED ALL 3 SHOWS AT THE TROPICANA. JUST WHEN I THOUGHT HE COULDN'T GET ANY BETTER, HE RAISED IT ANOTHER NOTCH HIGHER EACH NIGHT. BO'S SUNDAY NIGHT PERFORMANCE WAS THE BEST I'VE SEEN HIM DO EVER. HE WAS "DA BOMB." OUTSTANDING! HE'S A TRUE SHOWMAN AND CLASS ACT! THE BEST OF LUCK TO YA BO! AS THE SAYING GOES, "WHEN GOD CLOSES A DOOR, ANOTHER OPENS." YOU GOT WHAT IT TAKES! STAY POSITIVE, AND LOOK TO "THE ONE" MOST HIGH FOR GUIDANCE ALWAYS!

THE OTHER GUYS DID GREAT. THEY LOOKED WELL RESTED. HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG TERRY WILL LAST SINGING THE WAY HE DOES. HIS VOICE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AS IT WAS WHEN HE RECORDED THE LEADS FOR "PHOENIX RISING." I NOTICED HIS MICROPHONE WAS LOWER THAN THE OTHERS. HUMMMMMMM! IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME, BUT WAS MORE NOTICEABLE TO ME AT THE TROP.

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW G.C. DOES! I THINK HE WILL DO OKAY. IN MY OPINION THOUGH, HE'S FAR FROM BEING "TEMPTATION MATERIAL". GOOD LUCK G.C.

ON DA DL, (whispering) HAS ANY ONE SEEN MOTOWNFAN100? IF BY CHANCE YOU GUYS FIND ANY SPELLING ERRORS IN MY POST, PLEASE BLAME IT ON MY SECRATARY or is it SECRETARY? STILL LMAO

By MOTOWNFAN200 (205.188.209.109) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 11:07 am:

BTW MOTOWNFAN100:

HERE'S A CORRECTION FOR YOU, SINCE YOU GOIN' BACK TO DA SKOOL THANG (school thing) -

NEVER BEGIN A SENTENCE WITH "AND." REMEMBER YO GRAMMER RULES NUH!!!!!!

NUF SAID!

BOOYA!

By Counterpoint (68.63.4.162) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 06:30 pm:

Oops, another correction. As an English teacher may I say, you can begin a sentence with "and." You may also begin a sentence with "but." These constructions have been acceptable for many, many years.

By janebse (68.63.4.162) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 06:48 pm:

Talking about the "I Can't Get Next To You" video on the American Scene DVD, there is another one of the same song on the Time/Life video series. The latter one has Paul with them. What I found really interesting was The Temptations' use of the stage with 4 singers and with all 5 singers. I am not sure how much space they had during the American Scene, but with four singers and presumably less space, they used the same basic dance steps but rearranged themselves and their choreography to fit the amount of stage space. Absolutely delightful to watch them perform. And then they spread themselves out on the Ed Sullivan Show. I was also intrigued by the way Otis and Eddie changed places during the last phrases of the song. Without knowing any of the technical aspects of choreography, I feel Cholly designed that step as Otis and Eddie walked across the stage and changed places. Not real reason but visually exciting.

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 07:10 pm:

As I can remember, in my old age, the individuals stood in accordance with their voices (who's singing what). They had to construct the choreography to correspond with who was singing what voice.

By MOTOWNFAN200 (152.163.252.68) on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 02:17 am:

OH NO COUNTERPOINT:

NOT YOU TOO! "CONSTRUCTIONS" OR DO YOU MEAN "CONJUNCTIONS?" TELL ME WHAT GRADE DO YOU TEACH?

I HAD AN ENGLISH TEACHER THAT WOULD MARKED UP MY PAPERS WITH RED INK IN GRADE SCHOOL FOR USING THE WORDS "AND" AND "BUT" AT THE BEGINNING OF A SENTENCE. COME TO THINK OF IT, MY DAUGHTER'S 4TH GRADE TEACHER DOES THE SAME THING TOO. GO FIGURE!

YOU SEE, "CONJUNCTIONS" ARE WORDS THAT "JOIN" WORDS, PHRASES, CLAUSES, AND SENTENCES. IN THIS CASE, THE WORDS, "AND," "BUT," "NOR," "SO," "OR," & "YET" ARE WHAT WE CALL "COORDINATING CONJUNCTIONS." HERE ARE TWO EXAMPLES FOR YOU -

1. "The kids came late "AND" baked a cake." (Now drop the first part of the sentence. Does it make sense)? Now do the same for the sentence below.

2. "I went to the ballpark "BUT" the game was canceled."

I'M SURE YOU ALSO KNOW ABOUT THE FOLLOWING CONJUNCTIONS - "SUBORDINATING CONJUNCTIONS," "CORRELATIVE CONJUNCTIONS," AND "ADVERBIAL CONJUNCTIONS." LOOK THEM UP!

WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT ME "COUNTERPOINT," IS THAT I AM AN (5TH GRADE) ENGLISH TEACHER TOO! . AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, I CONDUCT AN EXERCISE WHERE I TELL MY STUDENTS TO PLACE THE WORDS "AND" & "BUT" IN FRONT OF EVERY SENTENCE. THEN I ASK THEM TO READ IT OUT LOUD, AND TELL ME IF IT MAKES SENSE. (95% OF THE KIDS CAN REWORD AND MAKE BETTER SENTENCES). I THEN GO ON TO TELL THEM, IF THEY CONTINUE TO WRITE IN "SUCH A" FASHION, I WILL LOWER THEIR GRADE ON ALL GRADED PAPERS. YOU SHOULD TRY THAT SOMETIME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF SCHOOL DISTRICT YOU WORK FOR OR WHAT CURRICULUM YOU USE FOR "ENGLISH", "BUT" (here goes that "conjunction" again)I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR BEEN TAUGHT THAT "YOUR" SO CALLED "CONSTRUCTIONS" WERE ACCEPTABLE TO USE. I WAS TAUGHT - TO USE THOSE WORDS IN THE FASHION YOU EXPLAINED, WOULD ENCOURAGE "POOR" WRITING SKILLS. THEREFORE IT IS FROWNED UPON BY MOST, ESPECIALLY IN MY STATE "AND" IN OUR GUIDELINES FOR TEACHING WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE ON OUR "STANDARDIZED STATE TESTS" FOR WRITING.

PLEASE SHARE YOUR DEFINITON OF "AND" & "BUT" AS "CONSTRUCTIONS." I MUST HAVE MISSED THAT (constructions) IN MY ENGLISH CLASSES (GRADE SCHOOL THROUGH COLLEGE).

YO! PLEASE TELL ME THAT YOU REALLY MEANT "CONJUNCTIONS" INSTEAD OF "CONSTRUCTIONS." YOU'VE GOT ME PUZZLED OVER THAT ONE.

THIS IS ENOUGH OF SCHOOL TODAY. I'M ON SUMMER BREAK! HE! HE! HE!

P.S. I LOVE TO PLAY ON WORDS, SO DON'T TAKE THIS PERSONAL! I WAS JUST HAVING SOME FUN WITH MOTOWNFAN100, OVER A POST HE POSTED TO ME.)

NOW LET'S GET BACK TO THE REAL DESCUSSION ON HAND. "THE TEMPTATIONS!" NO MORE SCHOOL!

By Counterpoint (68.63.4.162) on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 11:16 pm:

No, I did not mean conjunctions. And it is true that "and" and "but" and "or" can all begin sentences. As such they are part of the construction of a sentence and are not technically used as conjunctions. A sentence may be constructed in that way. And yes, I have my Ph.D.

But, if you are not comfortable beginning a sentence with one of those words, it is perfectly acceptable not to do so. The elimination of the last comma in a series of three is a problem to many people. Most people no longer use it, but it can cause problems.


I'm not taking it personally. English changes so fast it is hard to keep up with the changes. I'm trying to understand where "bling, bling" came from, and why, all of a sudden, there is such a phrase as "my bad." Even if they are slang expressions, there ought to be logical reasons.

By janebse (68.63.4.162) on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 11:19 pm:

I see where The Temptations are going to be on the Canadian Idol TV show in August. Does anyone have any idea how they would be used on that show? Will they all be guest judges, guest performers, or will their songs be used as the basis for contestants' songs? I have no idea about the format of that show but thought it was similar to the American and/or British Idol format.

By MOTOWNFAN200 (205.188.209.109) on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 12:34 pm:

HA! HA! HA! COUNTERPOINT:

I'LL HAVE TO "AGREE" WITH YOU ON YOUR LAST STATEMENT. I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT EITHER. LOL!!! I USE "EBONICS" FROM TIME TO TIME TO "PLAY" ON WORDS, AS I DID IN MY EARLIER POSTS. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, "IT'S CONSTANTLY CHANGING."

I BELIEVE, THE COMMA ISSUE CAN GO EITHER WAY. WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT THROUGH THE VARIOUS TEACHING STYLES AND METHODS OF OUR FORMER TEACHERS AND PROFESSORS.


A PHd? IMPRESSIVE (Believe me, I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. That is a great accompishment)! I JUST COMPLETED MY MASTERS. I GUESS I STILL HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ... "HUH?" I'M GETTING THERE.

COUNTERPOINT, DO YOU TEACH COLLEGE OR K12?