By Soul Fan (64.236.243.31) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:06 pm: |
Is the song Nathan Jones by The Supremes based on a real person..
Always loved that song and wondered..
Soul Fan
By breathtakingguy (67.24.157.200) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 06:59 pm: |
Do you think Nathan Jones was a friend of Floy Joy?
By Soul Fan (64.236.243.31) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 07:01 pm: |
Could be.....and they have a Love Child together
By Eli (151.197.224.98) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 07:17 pm: |
The term "Nathan Jones" was a euphonism for being broke as in "he aint even got a job girl,..he got Nathan Jones"!!
as in no money..nada..
So therefore the song was a tounge in cheek double entendre reference for a "scrub"
NO OFFENSE INTENDED
By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 08:19 pm: |
None taken Bobby.......
By Nathan Jones (64.236.243.31) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 08:29 pm: |
Even I am not offended Bobby
Nathan Jones
By Eli (151.197.224.98) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 09:27 pm: |
Nathan, you rule dude!!!!
By Michael/cleoharvey (160.79.83.208) on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 01:35 pm: |
Not sure where Frank Wilson came up with the title but I think it is one of the 70's Supremes most interesting arrangements. The intro to the song is really wonderful.
By Marv (152.163.188.68) on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 07:33 pm: |
I loved that song,especially the unison singing Frank had the ladies doing. It was almost like a chant or something LOL.
By Uptight (24.55.6.144) on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 07:50 pm: |
Notice the flanging effect in the recording produced by placing two recordings of it slightly out of sync with each other. Early in the record one tape dips down in pitch a little too far while the engineers quickly bring the other down to match its tape speed.
Despite the major wow in the recording (however intentional), the record is one of their more popular ones.
I wonder who the mixing engineers were on this one? Anybody know?
By Davie Gordon (193.122.21.42) on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 02:30 pm: |
Uptight,
Offhand I don't know who did the mixing but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out.
If somebody who has the original single could post
the full matrix number from the label the initial letters should tell us as the letters are a code
to which we have the key.
If you check the archives for a thread called
"Motown Engineer Check Letters" all will become clear.
Davie
By Russ Terrana (198.178.8.81) on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 03:52 pm: |
Gulity, I mixed the entire album with Frank. The Flang effect was to be on another song, but I just finished Mixing Nathan Jones and it was still on the 2 track. I wanted to show Frank the effect so I use Nathan as an example. Well, we both agreed I sounded great so we used it. Funny how things happen!
By Michael/cleoharvey (160.79.83.208) on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 04:27 pm: |
Russ:
And it is funny how creative genuises "accidently" come up with a smash hit. I heard an English group (I believe it was Bananarama) do a remake of Nathan and it simply doesn't touch Jean, Mary, and Cindy's recording. The unison singing with strategically placed harmonies is wonderful. I also love the break where Jean is dreamily saying Nathan Jones and then the song revs up again and goes to the chorus. You guys really did it, my man!
By mhc (172.130.146.119) on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:58 pm: |
When the Motown Singles box came out, "Nathan Jones" was one of the ones that just put my jaw on the floor; somehow I'd missed it when it was a hit. What an incredible record. GREAT job Russ!
By Marv (152.163.188.68) on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 07:05 pm: |
Yes Russ you did a spectacular job with that one! With the release of the 70's Supremes Anthology, Nathan Jones gets a lot of play today in my car!! LOL. Great work man.
By Larry (12.141.160.25) on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 09:48 pm: |
I just *acquired* this track to hang with you folks and to be so bold as to kick in my 2 centavos:
Starts off a little Reggae but only for the intro. It has an "It Takes Two" bass approach, a "Thus Spake Zarathrusta" piano break with a country backbeat that a BullWhip sound effect wants to validate.
Did this song come out around the time of the film "2001 - A Space Odyssey" or "Ode To Billy Joe" or "Lineman for the County"? It's got 1968 all over it.
A real Frankensteiner.
By Marv (152.163.188.68) on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 10:02 am: |
Larry, "Nathan Jones" was released in 1971.
By Uptight (24.55.6.144) on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 07:51 pm: |
Russ. I greatly appreciate your story behind this record! I love hearing how things came together technically.
By Ritchie (62.254.0.9) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 07:14 am: |
Dates:
Ode To Billie Joe - 1966
2001 s/track - 1968
Wichita Lineman - 1968
Nathan Jones - 1971
By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 02:03 pm: |
...and the single sounds great in mono!
Kevin Goins - KevGo
By jan (217.8.169.126) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 02:15 pm: |
occasional poster from poland here, just been on a trip to states ( never managed detroit ), quick trip and only bought 3 cds - johnny adams sings doc pomus ( i know that's southern ), ledisi - soul singer and the supremes ( minus diana ) anthology which STILL hasn't made europe
played supremes disc one in the car today - up the ladder to the the roof, stoned love, nathan.... i was almost in tears
stoned love was the first motown 45 i ever bought, then i lived in london and i remember it reached number three in the pop charts - which mattered to a young thirteen year old
it's a lovely record and i am proud it was my first - i don't think the current generations who might invest in eminem ( detroit i know ), britney or justin will look back in the dame way ( good though they may be )
first album was motown chartbusters three and what's going on
beautiful, beautiful sounds
By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 02:20 pm: |
Jan:
I can relate to your story. The Supremes' "Right On" album was the first Supremes record I heard (my sister bought it in 1970 fresh out of the distributor's box at the record store). It's elegance and beauty helped set a standard that other female groups tried to follow (the closest was Glodean White & Love Unlimited), especially with songs like "Up The Ladder To The Roof" and "Everybody Has The Right To Love".
Kevin Goins - KevGo
By Ritchie (62.254.0.9) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 03:17 pm: |
Hi Jan
Long time, no hear!
IMO, Johnny Adams is about as good as it gets, Northern or Southern. Ain't NOBODY going to complain about you bringing him up here :o)
By jan (217.8.172.231) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 05:05 pm: |
hi ritchie and kev , very pleased with ALL the records i bought - the ledisi is suprisingly ok as i find it difficuilt to listen to new stuff these days when i have so much old stuff and only so much time to listen
By R&B (138.238.41.128) on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 08:38 am: |
IS IT JUST ME OR DID IT SEEM THAT THE SUPREMES HAD A FRESHER SOUND IN THE EARLY 70'S,TAKING NOTHING AWAY FROM THEIR CLASSIC 60'S RECORDINGS IT JUST SEEMS THAT THEIR 70'S OUTPUT WAS PERKIER.
By Michael/cleoharvey (160.79.83.208) on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 10:24 am: |
R&B:
I think it was a happier period for them. Except for the Jimmy Webb album, The Supremes actually recorded all their vocals and were involved in the process. Unlike the late 60's when Cindy and Mary were replaced by the Andantes or Waters in the studo to backup Diana. Up The Ladder to the Roof sounds as fresh today as when I first heard it and it appears to be the result of being involved and "free."
By R&B (138.238.41.128) on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 11:13 am: |
THANKS MICHAEL,I HAD ALMOST FORGOTTEN THAT MARY AND CINDY WEREN'T USED MUCH AT THE END OF DIANA'S RUN,YOU'RE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO SING ON THE SONGS WAS REFRESHING.