By FAYETTE (152.163.188.68) on Saturday, March 08, 2003 - 06:43 pm:

LET'S USE OUR IMAGINATION, AND LOOK INTO THE YEAR
20025.TELL ME WHAT CHANGES YOU WOULD LIKE
TO HEAR IN THE MUSIC WE'RE LISTENING TO
TODAY.

By BankHouseDave (195.93.50.9) on Saturday, March 08, 2003 - 06:46 pm:

I'd like quite a lot of it to go away.

Seriously, it would be good if there was a return to artists and musicians instead of accountants and commodities.

By Vickie (64.12.97.7) on Saturday, March 08, 2003 - 07:17 pm:

Ditto Dave....


Vickie

By Nancy (66.185.85.72) on Saturday, March 08, 2003 - 07:31 pm:

I agree with you dave

By STUBASS (205.188.209.38) on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 12:31 am:

NOW FAYETTE: IN 20025 WE'LL ALL BE FLYING AROUND AS PARTICULAR MATTER...HAVING CHRYSTALIZED OURSELVES FOR THE SAKE OF A CONVENIENT TRANSPORT MODALITY BETWEEN THE VARIOUS GALAXIES IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM!!!...OUR MUSIC WILL BE INTEGRATED WITHIN OUR BRAIN AND THOUGHT PROCESS...SO THAT WHATEVER OUR BRAIN HAS PROGRAMMED ITSELF TO DESIRE AT THAT MOMENT WILL AUTOMATICALLY SERVE AS A RECEPTOR OF THOSE PLEASUREABLE SENSORY EXPERIENCES!!!...NOW IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2025...IT'LL PROBABLY BE THE SAME OLD S#!T!!!...STU(COSMOS DWELLER)BASS

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 10:26 am:

Stu,
you must be smoking some interesting s--t down there in L.A.

By STUBASS (152.163.188.68) on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 01:00 pm:

HEY RALPH: HMMMMMMMM!!!...I THINK THEY CALL IT "PRETEND-A-CUTT"!!!...STU(ZIG-ZAG)BASS

By Horse (68.61.77.137) on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 03:32 pm:

OOOOOOOOOHMMMMM!

By fayette (205.188.209.38) on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 04:02 pm:

stubass you must be smoking some of that
meteor dust.


your devoted pooh bear

By john dixon (64.12.97.7) on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 04:16 pm:

great post Stu. LMAO. In 2025, I just hope I'm still continent.

By STUBASS (152.163.188.68) on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 11:17 pm:

NOW HORSE!!!...YOU'D BETTER STICK TO CARROT'S!!!...STEWEDBASS

By STUBASS (152.163.188.68) on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 11:21 pm:

HEY JOHN: IN 2025...YOU AIN'T SITTIN ON ONE OF *MY* CHAIRS...OR ARE YOU *THAT* LARGE...THAT YOU COULD BE MISTAKEN FOR NORTH AMERICA???...STU

By R&B (138.238.41.128) on Monday, March 10, 2003 - 08:42 am:

MAYBE BY THEN LARRY GRAHAM WILL BE RETIRED..AAHHHHHHHHHEEHHGGGGGGGHHH!!@###@#%%^&*(((*))*&^%%%$#@@@@!!!!???YUKKKKKKK!,OTHER THAN THAT I AGREE WITH DAVE.

By Eli (152.163.188.68) on Monday, March 10, 2003 - 08:48 am:

Hopefully there will be a resurgence of real talent and real singers and real writers and producers who are real musicians who play real instruments.
Oh yes, and a&r execs with real ears .

By Horse (159.53.32.41) on Monday, March 10, 2003 - 09:09 am:

Eli,

Really...?

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, March 10, 2003 - 11:19 am:

Eli, Horse, Ralph & company:
What I hope to see are more independent labels that could lead the music industry to the resurgence of real talent, music, writers, producers, musicians, A&R folks (just like Motown, Stax-Volt, PIR, Scepter-Wand and A&M). I'm not counting on the majors to lead the way.
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By douglasm (68.113.15.28) on Monday, March 10, 2003 - 11:47 am:

2025? I don't know about soul, but when you consider that current rock band styles can be traced back to 1970 without any problem--that's 33 years for pity sake--and could be with out a stretch be taken back to the mid '50's, I wonder if there will be a major revolution in POPULAR music in the near future, rather than the evolutionary changes that have gone on over the past 50 or so years.
What may alter this is that sound preservation tecniques have advanced so far in the past 50 or 60 years that past sounds reproduce well. I think nothing of pulling out a 40 year old LP and playing it, something my parents would (or could) not have done 40 years ago.
Phew. That was a long winded way of saying I don't know.

By FAYETTE (205.188.209.38) on Monday, March 10, 2003 - 03:33 pm:

R&B. I BEGINNING TO THINK YOU'D RATHER HEAR

A RAT IN LABOR THAN HEAR LARRY GRAHAM.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.38) on Monday, March 10, 2003 - 10:00 pm:

OK R&B: I'LL MAKE YOU A DEAL...IF YOU'LL AGREE TO HOOK LARRY GRAHAM UP WITH GRACE JONES...THEN WHILE THEY'RE PERFORMING TOGETHER...I WILL HELP YOU @&*%$#%*$%!#$@ TO THE BOTH OF THEM!!!...I DON'T LOVE "ONE IN A MILLION YOU" *THAT* MUCH!!!...STU

By fayette (152.163.188.68) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 12:05 am:

see stu to each his own.i guess if he don't
want to hear larry's soulful mourning we got
to respect that.if you don't want to hear
grace jones PULLING UP TO THE BUMPER BABY.
i'm starting to learn that people on this
forum wants to tell you what to say and how
to say. a forum is different opinions.i believe
in being true to my opinion.and i always will
be. this may sound a little strange.but people
have a tendency of getting use to it.

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 12:25 am:

I'm happy to be true to my opinions also. Sometimes, however, I just keep my opinions to myself.

I know we all, at times, have some harsh postings over here, but I don't want to "force" my opinion on anyone here. That way I won't have to assert my first amendment rights. Just knowing I have them makes me feel somewhat secure in keeping my opinions to myself.

I liked Graham Central Station's "Your Love."

By wassup (64.12.97.7) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 06:52 am:

Are Larry Graham and Robert Goulet the same person???

By BankHouseDave (195.93.50.9) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 07:00 am:

As whom?

By fayette (64.12.97.7) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 08:25 am:

well if i have an opinion i will state it!!!!!!!!

By Common (209.2.55.170) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 09:08 am:

Fayette: I feel you! Not everyone is going to agree on everything all the time but if you don't say it the way someone wants you to say it or agree with them, then you're the bad guy. I've had this experience in other forums & it really gets tiresome when people just don't want to accept the fact that someone's opinion is different than theirs. I would've thought the purpose of a forum is to read & express diverse opinions. If we all agreed on everything, it would be pretty dull! ;o)

Peace!

By Ralph Terrana (ralph) (209.240.198.62) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 09:15 am:

Let's don't let this one get out of hand. I also have stated so many times that this is indeed a forum and we all are entitled to our opinions. Please keep that thought in the forefront.

By R&B (138.238.41.128) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 09:47 am:

HEY FAYETTE,LIGHTEN UP MY FRIEND,WE'RE JUST HAVING SOME FUN,AT LEAST STU AND I ARE.THINGS AREN'T GONNA GET HEAVY AND IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN OFFENDED BY ANYTHING I'VE EVER SAID HERE THEN I SINCERLY APOLOGIZE AS I OFTEN TRY TO GET MY POINT ACROSS WITH A DASH OF HUMOR,BECAUSE IN OUR DAILY LIVES THERE IS ENOUGH DRAMA ALREADY SO TO BE ABLE TO COME TO A FORUM LIKE THIS AND DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL LOVE IS A BLESSING TO ME AND A BREATH OF FRESH AIR.STILL YOUR PAL{I HOPE}R&B.HEY STU,GRACE AND LARRY..I'M GONNA NEED A STIFF DRINK FOR THAT ONE!

By Ralph Terrana (ralph) (209.240.198.62) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 09:52 am:

I'm buying R&B

By STUBASS (205.188.209.38) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 10:05 am:

WELL SAID R&B!!!...IT'S ALL ABOUT FUN AND YOU CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTE YOUR FAIR SHARE...THANKS...AND FAYETTE: YOUR OPINIONS ARE HIGHLY RESPECTED AROUND HERE...AND WE ALL APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AND WONDERFUL AND PLEASING PERSONALITY...SO REMEMBER...WE ARE IN ALL FOUR OF YOUR CORNERS...COMPRENDE???...STU

By fayette (152.163.188.68) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 10:26 am:

r&b if you knew me personally,you'd know i'm
probably the most laid back person you'd meet.
i made a statement last night which was probably
just reading something and blurting it out. i
didn't mean no harm.i made the statement,that
mary was a excellent singer but didn't do lead
vocals too well. i don't have any music of mary
or diana in my house,i just looked at the special
i went to a florence ballard website and heard
her sing for the first time.she could have easyly
sung lead. i voiced a opinion and was told not
to.i found that offensive.i really enjoy being
with you guys. i'm new at this so i learn from
this experience.maybe i should see a live show
coming from these two women.so diana and mary if
you out there hook a sister up with front row
seats.lol. again i think it's unfair for some
one to tell another not to voice an opinion.
besides i like you guys too much to spat.

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 10:52 am:

I'm sorry Fayette if I offended you with my post. It wasn't your post that cause my reaction or over-reaction. Your posts are enjoyed by many on this forum. Please don't take it the wrong way. We all have just opinions that we express. That's good. I'm glad you went to the web site to hear for yourself. And you're right, sometimes we just blurt out things without thinking. I do that on several occasions. Please accept my apology.

I was thinking of inviting several more artist to come and board on the Forum. Mainly, these artist are enjoyed by the UK. Detroit Emeralds, The Metros, Martha Reeves, Cash McCall, etc. But sometimes, I'm afraid they may be met by "in your face" opinions, and I don't want them to fault me for bringing them aboard.

Again, would you accept my apology?

By fayette (152.163.188.68) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 11:12 am:

sis detroit, i will accept your apology, i'm sure
if mary has been in this business some 40 or
more years,she heard quite a few things,but we have to give her credit for having the stamina
to maintain.i'm probably the most biased supreme
fan because even though when i was a lil girl
we where always pretending to be the supremes
myself florence,pat brown diana,we practiced
singing,even though i could sing i always preferred
writing.i have even written some things mary
probably could smoke on.that maybe could bring
her really out.so by all means welcome mary.
that brings me to say that we shouldn't take
things so personally.

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 11:25 am:

Your are right Fayette. We do take things too personal when it comes to these artist who don't even know we exist. At least we are not trying to move in with them. (LOL)

I remember we used to sing, and I would be the lead on the Supremes, wig and false eye lashes. Even now, when we get together, we have fun. Of course we don't sound like we did in our 20's, but we still have fun.

By fayette (152.163.188.68) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 11:43 am:

speak for yourself sis, MISS FAYETTE can still blow lol

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 11:48 am:

LOL - Alright, you go now! Make plans to come to Detroit in May. Perhaps DMeikle will let you sing for us during our meet.

By Livonia Ken (136.2.1.101) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 02:51 pm:

Hey! Speaking of Larry Graham, I just picked up the new 2-disc "Essential Sly & the Family Stone" set. It sounds really good and has true stereo mixes of "Everybody is a Star" and "Thank You Falletinme Be Mice Elf Again" that I have not heard before. Best of all, you don't have to wait for the year 2525 to hear it. (Should you survive....Should you survive.... )

Regards,
Mr. Positivity

By fayette (64.12.97.7) on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 04:00 pm:

oh stubass you still want to buy me that drink??????

By STUBASS (205.188.209.38) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 02:44 am:

YOU'VE GOT IT FAYETTE...AND I'LL MAKE YOU THE SAME DEAL THAT I DID WITH NANCY...GO TO YOUR FAVORITE SPOT...DRINKS ON STU...PLEASE SEND ME THE BILL... I'LL BE TOASTING YOU FROM LOS ANGELES!!!...GOOD TO SEE THAT YOU AND SIS HAVE TUNED IN SO WELL!!!...I LOVE TO SEE MY "ANGELS" HAVING FUN!!!...

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 09:29 am:

Man you're good Stu.

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 12:36 pm:

Ralph - Stubass is a sweetheart. We just spoil him. :o) Ralph, you won't let us spoil you. Now you know how Stubass sell those cars. Ask him how many cars he sold to females today as opposed to males. :o)

Stubass - Your Angels promise to you now, that we are just have a little musical fun, and enjoy ourselves. That full-moon is gone.

In the year 2025, I'm hoping I can still go out to the legends and blues concerts.

By Livonia Ken (136.1.1.101) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 12:54 pm:

Stu's Angels? I have this picture in my head of a speaker phone with Stu's voice giving Sis and Fayette instructions about what the case will be this week....and what the weather is like in California, of course.

Regards,
Ken

By Ralph El Toro Solo (209.240.198.62) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 01:02 pm:

Sis,
Where did you get the idea that I won't let you spoil me?? Just because I ACT like I know what I'm doing doesn't change the fact that I'm always open to a little female attention.

By Swammi Singh (151.197.37.150) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 01:06 pm:

Hello my good people!!
Let me introduce myself.My name is Swammi Singh,
the knower of all things, and I predict that in the very near future, we can look forward to a world without rap music, as the companies and the authorities will all wake up.
I also forsee a world where "good" soulful music with great singers and great songs will once again prevail.
I predict that live recording sessions with real musicians will once again be the norm.
The Swammi will return with more predictions soon.

By Horse (68.61.77.137) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 01:13 pm:

Swammi,

Start singing out the lottery numbers for this friday...! I need to start my own record label and make your predictions come true. Send my best to the gods

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 04:02 pm:

Hey Horse:
Maybe we can share the same lottery ticket - I have to pay the bill for my label's CD pressings this week!
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By fayette (205.188.209.38) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 04:39 pm:

in the future i think we may all be computerized.
robot writers
robot producers
robot musicans
robot singers

hmmmmm that's a nightmare

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 04:45 pm:

OH NO!!! Robot groupies????

By Livonia Ken (136.1.1.101) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 04:51 pm:

Ralph,
We'll see those before any of the others. Even before that, we'll have the vending machine promoter. You put the money in along with a disc with the song, and it forwards the song and 85% of the cash to the virtual Clear Channel DJ.

Regards,
Ken

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 06:50 pm:

Hey Ken!
I thought Clear Channel already had virtual DJs ! After all, C.C. makes their DJs commit the horrifying act of -GASP!- VOICE TRACKING FOR CITIES THEY DON'T LIVE IN!!!
And people wonder why I left the radio biz...
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 09:45 pm:

Not being musically technical, what is "Virtual clear channel DJ?"

I often don't ask questions that I know nothing about. But since I might just be here listening to the radio, I thought I'd ask. :o)

By douglasm (68.113.15.28) on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 10:04 pm:

Think I got it right.
Clear Channel Communications has jocks in remote locations (say, Chicago, for instance) do voice tracks with local references, weather, PSA's and the like-including announced record intros-that are fed to the local station and blended by computer with the music playlist. So when the local station goes.....
"It's going to be a sunny day here in Flint, with a high around 70. Now here's the latest by -----on WXXX", he's actually pretaped the voice track in another city.
Right?

By john dixon (205.188.209.38) on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 11:31 pm:

Sis,doug is right, Clear Channel pays an already full time salaried employee an extra five grand a year to 'voice-track' a city outside the market he's located in, which saves them a full salary. In other words, every time a CC employee accepts (and I know for a fact they're pressured) a voice track gig for some extra dinero, a full salaried employee is eliminated.

By stephanie (64.63.221.65) on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 11:49 pm:

What Clear Channel is doing is so criminal..will this eliminate people wanting to go to college to be on the radio? Will they just hire thugs now who knew someone to get into the business and just have them screaming on the radio?
Steph
its a sad state of affairs..

By Sue (205.188.209.38) on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 11:51 pm:

Worst of all, there will be no local flavor to radio, as we knew it growing up in the '60s ...

By Eli (151.197.38.138) on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 01:24 am:

In Philly the two Black Powerhouse stations, WDAS and WUSL..power 99 were both purchased by Clear Channel although their respective air personalities are still on the air, but who knows for long. WDAS has been a beacon of the Black community for over fifty years now and it would be a shame to see its demise as we knew it. What a pity!!

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 01:11 pm:

Hey Gang:
John Dixon & Doug are dead on about Clear Channel - I should know because they are doing this "voice-tracking" thing at my hometown's radio station (Rochester NY) among other cities.

When I visited WVOR-FM/WHAM-AM three years ago to see my old colleagues, Clear Channel converted two of the station's former production rooms, the Program Director's office and one other office into voice-tracking rooms so that the live DJs that work there can go into another room before or after their shift to do a show in another city and/or state. When talking to my old on-air friends and seeing my former production manager, I saw for myself how burned out they were from their work (sullen faces, no jolliness..).

Just think - four pieces of office space turned into voice-tracking rooms equalling four on-air personalities who lost their jobs.

I'm glad I got the hell out of there when I did.

Kevin Goins - KevGo

By STUBASS (64.12.97.7) on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 01:42 pm:

HEY GUYS: I DON'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THIS "CLEAR CHANNEL" STUFF...BUT THE CONCEPT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS!!!...AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE...WHEN I WAS NEWS DIRECTOR AT KMEN-KGGI...INLAND EMPIRE CALIFORNIA...SHORTLY UPON MY ARRIVAL OUT HERE...OUR AM STATION...KMEN...HAD THE MORNING SHOW TAPED BY TWO POPULAR D.J.'S IN SAN DIEGO...HUDSON AND BAUER...WHO WORKED FOR A STATION DOWN THERE OWNED BY OUR COMPANY!!!...EVERY NIGHT...THE TAPES WERE SENT BY GREYHOUND BUS TO SAN BERNARDINO...WHERE THE SHOW WAS PLAYED THE NEXT MORNING!!!...I USED TO LAUGH WHEN THEY INTRODUCED THE NEWSCAST SAYING SOMETHING LIKE..."HERE'S OUR GOOD BUDDY STU MILLER WITH THE NEWS"!!!..."GOOD BUDDY"???...I HADN'T EVEN MET THESE GUYS UNTIL SHORTLY BEFORE MY DEPARTURE FROM THE STATION WHEN WE MADE AN APPEARANCE TOGETHER IN SUPPORT OF SOME LOCAL FUND RAISING THING!!!...SO THIS "CLEAR CHANNEL" CONCEPT...OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT...HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS!!!...STU

By fayette (152.163.188.68) on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 03:46 pm:

i'm saving my money to buy me a stubass robot.

By john dixon (63.101.17.207) on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 03:51 pm:

stu, I understand what you're saying, but what you're referring to is something we used to call 'theatre of the mind'; giving the impression someone was there when he was actually on tape. But the advent of voice-tracking that I (+ doug, kevin, etc.) am talking about can be traced directly to 1996 and the passgage of the telecommunications act which deregulated radio ownership and allowed Clear Channel & Infinity & Citadel and the rest of those soulless corporations to gobble up as many radio stations as they were able to. So this development which has sucked out the joy and local flavor of radio is fairly recent.

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 03:52 pm:

Fayette - I'm rollin on the floor LMAO.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 04:08 pm:

John Dixon:

Amen to that. When I go back to my hometown, both stations I referred to have lost whatever originality they had.

WHAM-AM (the news-talk station) used to have these very authoratative-sounding jingles that grabbed your attention (along with a voice-over that would make Barry White sound like a chipmunk!). These have been replaced by pip-squeak sounding voices that have no authority or uniqueness whatsoever.

WVOR is another story - they've replaced a chunk of the on-air staff with DJs who are not from the city or surrounding area (a pre-requesite when I was working there in the pre-Clear Channel days) - I wouldn't be surprised if they came from out of state. These folks sound like they "rip & read" during their shows - there's no connection to the listener(s). And don't get me started on the playlist...(all the hits all the time all the same).

The only stations that have maintained their originality are the ones owned by individuals in the community (WDKX-FM is owned by the Langston family while WJZR-FM'S owners are the Rust family, who once owned WHAM-AM).

Like I said, I'm glad I left when I did. I only listen to community or public radio.
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By douglasm (68.113.15.28) on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 06:22 pm:

John....
....Actually you and Stu are both right. What let groups like Clear Channel to voice track from remote locations was the internet, which allows high quality voice to be transmitted almost instantly. Thus, the voice-tracker can personalize any change in the show very quickly, if needed.
Voice tracking is also done on the local level. I used to voice track my mid-day show on occasion when an appointment prevented me from doing it live. The PD would hand me the playlist (right down to spots and jingles), and I'd do the voice tracks, then load them into the Audio/Vault system, which would then match my individual breaks at the appropriate times.
I have a question, though. Is this really that much worse than the (say it fast....)
"IT'S TEMPERATURE AT TIME WITH NAME OF ANNOUNCER ON SNAPPY IDENTIFIER. HERE'S THE HOT ONE BY ARTIST....IT'S TITLE ON SNAPPY IDENTIFIER."
...fake Drake formats that dominated the late '60's?

By STUBASS (64.12.97.7) on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 01:32 am:

YES JOHN: I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT THAT TODAYS TECHNOLOGY...COMBINED WITH FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS DEREGULATION...HAS PROLIFORATED THIS TYPE OF PRACTICE!!!...ACTUALLY...RADIO DEREGULATION STARTED DURING THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION...ALONG WITH MANY OTHER FORMS OF FEDERAL DEREGULATION!!!...THE POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE...IS THAT THE BASIC CONCEPT OF ELIMINATING WORKFORCE THROUGH BETTER TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN A VIABLE ECONOMIC CONCEPT FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER!!!...ROBOTICS (WE'LL GET TO YOU LATER FAYETTE) HAVE PUT MANY A WORKER OUT OF COMMISSION IN INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING...BUT PERHAPS WE TAKE IT MORE PERSONALLY WHEN IT OCCURS IN AN INDUSTRY BASED IN THE "ARTS"!!!...BUT FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE...I GUESS THAT ONE WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT ANY BUSINESSES FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS IT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO IT'S SHAREHOLDERS...AND UNFORTUNATLY...SOMETIMES THE QUALITY AND ARTISTRY SUBORDINATES ITSELF TO THE "BOTTOM LINE"!!!...NOW FAYETTE: WHY BOTHER WITH ROBOTS...WHEN FOR JUST A FEW DOLLARS MORE...YOU COULD INQUIRE ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PURCHASING THE REAL THING???...JUST HAVING FUN...YOU'RE THE COOLEST!!!...STU

By fayette (152.163.188.68) on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 08:12 am:

stubass you got me counting my loose change!!!!!!!

By Nish (66.119.33.135) on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 09:46 am:

Fayette - you don't like Stubass very much, do ya? LOL! :-)

Ooh ooh ooh! At the Detroit gathering, I say all the girls bring a sequinned dress, bring Vandellas, Supremes, Velvelettes and Marvelettes records, and let's play "Motown Girl Group!" Yeah!!!

But on a more serious note, in relation to what Sue stated about radio stations losing their local flavor. For about all four of my college years, the Pittsburgh station 3WS had these dynamite radio shows on Sunday night, where old Pittsburgh oldies would be played (B-sides and rare tunes that Pittsburghers loved from back in the day along with Pittsburgh artists like the Skyliners' etc.). And then afterwards from midnite-2 T.J. Lubinsky had his Soul In The City show where I could request a song like Frank Wilson's "Do I Love You" and by golly it'd be played. To my chagrin, the times when I returned home for various breaks over the course of this school year, I've not had that. No, instead, there is a nationally syndicated show in place that plays the typical Beatles-Stones-Supremes-Beach Boys songs. And I thought "what a yawn." I really don't like how these new radio formats are being thrown on listeners, and they have absolutely no say in it. The stations are basically saying "this is the direction in which we are headed, so deal with it." NPR it is.

By Sue (205.188.209.38) on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 09:53 am:

Doug,
You were in Detroit during the '60s/'70s, weren't you? If you did, you heard CKLW and its Drake format; somehow they were creative within that admittedly rigid format ...

Brother Bill Gable was particularly good at making an eight second intro utterly unforgettable ...

That Pittsburgh station sounds great, Nish, and exactly what the Clear Channels and Infinitys have destroyed. That priceless Pittsburgh sound will be forgotten, just as our great Detroit records aren't played locally on the oldies stations, in favor of "This Diamond Ring," and the usual Beatles/Beach Boys/Heman's Hermits and lite Motown mix.

By douglasm (68.113.15.28) on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 10:37 am:

Sue...
...I'm not denying the Drake format itself, when done right it's masterful. To me, Steve Hunter is a god. But get outside of the city (WTAC, WSAM, WCRM, WMDN) and the fake Drake (time, temp, title, artist) smothered a lot of very good jocks in the late '60's.
Nobody mentioned satelite programing that has also laid waste to local programing, especially in smaller markets. To listen to the ABC or Jones oldies programing out here in Washington without the Ventures, Sonics, or Wailers is shere blastfamy.