By David Meikle (213.122.178.110) on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 07:26 am:

Final statistics required from Billboard on Golden World artists please.

Can any one furnish me with chart action of Detroit Emeralds and Flaming Embers while they were both at Ric-Tic.

TIA
David

By LG Nilsson (213.89.29.210) on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 07:08 pm:

David,

Detroit Emeralds "Show Time" 3/2/68 #22 R&B
Detroit Emeralds "Show Time" 3/30/68 #89 Pop

That's It!

Lars

By David Meikle (81.103.135.218) on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 07:14 pm:

Thanks a lot Lars.

Nothing for the Flaming Embers then?

By LG Nilsson (213.89.29.210) on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 07:28 pm:

Nada! Just Hot Wax.

Lars

By Yan (62.30.112.1) on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 08:02 pm:

LG-

....I remember you were searching for cashbox rnb charts; any luck yet?? While running a google search on The Dalton Boys- "I've Been Cheated" (it was a quiet afternoon!) I came across a site you propably know about; but here it is on the off chance you don't:

http://www.broadcast.net/mailman/listinfo/broadcast-airchex

....the forum on this site (as seen in the archives)seems to attract various radio nuts who post different regional (and often obscure) surveys/playlists from radio stations- mostly from the sixties. It couldn't hurt to join the forum; I'm sure one of them could help in someway. Anyway- good luck!

YAN

P.S

For those who want to know; this is the radio playlist the Dalton Boys was in.....much respect to whatever imaginative DJ of mid-sixties L.A (it obviously wasn't principally a "black/rnb/soul" show)it was who took a chance on this. (and Paul Kelly, Leon Haywood etc...) Whats particularly bizarre is that it seems that many of the more obscure tracks on this list are obviously local records...so how "I've Been Cheated" got in there is anyones guess....

KBLA LOS ANGELES...1500 ON YOUR DIAL PLAYLIST #21 NOVEMBER 22, 1965

I'm A Man - Yardbirds
I Hear A Symphony - Supremes
Hole In The Wall - Packers
I Will - Dean Martin
Over And Over - Dave Clark Five
Lies - Knickerbockers
Hang On Sloopy - Ramsey Lewis
1-2-3 - Len Barry
Here It Comes Again - Fortunes
Something About You - Four Tops
Ebb Tide - Righteous Brothers
Let Me Be - Turtles
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away - The Silkie
Crawling Back - Roy Orbison
Don't Fight It - Wilson Pickett
The Little Girl I Once Knew - Beach Boys
Rescue Me - Fontella Bass
You Didn't Have To Be So Nice - The Lovin Spoonful
The Duck - Jackie Lee
She's With Her Other Love - Leon Hayward
I Can Never Go Home Anymore - Shangri Las
I Got You - James Brown
All Or Nothing - Patti Labelle
Apple Of My Eye - Roy Head
Goodbye Babe - Castaways
Turn Turn Turn - Byrds
Yesterday Man - Chris Andrews
The Last Thing On My Mind - Vejtables
The Revolution Kind - Sonny
I've Been Cheated - Dalton Boys
Fever - Mc Coys
My Girl Has Gone - Miracles
My Baby - Temptations
Thunderball - Tom Jones
Ain't That Peculiar - Marvin Gaye
I Want To Meet Him - Royalettes
Flowers On The Wall - Statler Brothers
Only Love Can Save Me Now - Solomon Burke
Pied Piper - The Changin Times
If I Can't Love You - Cinderman
Let's Get Together - We Five
It's My Life - Animals
Heartbeat Pt. 1 - Gloria Jones
A Young Girl - Noel Harrison
Don't Think Twice - The Wonder Who
Go Away From My World - Marianne Faithful
Rising Sun - Deep Six
Stay Out Of My World - Preachers
Let's Go Somewhere - R. Dean Taylor
Chills And Fever - Paul Kelly

By LG Nilsson (213.89.29.210) on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 05:32 am:

Yan,

No, I have not found what I was looking for... i.e. Billboard or/and Cash Box lists from the R&B/Soul charts from the 60's as they were presented week by week.

I have found some local weekly lists on the web but only for a short period of time, nothing complete. What I know is that Joel Whitburn's Billboard books do not cover this information. His weekly chart information deals only with the Hot 100.

Thank anyway... I know this information is hard to find but somebody, somewhere... (Darrell Banks, Revilot, 1966)...

Keep Looking! (Solomon Burke, Atlantic, 1966)

Lars

By John Lester (213.123.121.235) on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 07:15 am:

Seems like they flipped over There's a Ghost In My House by R Dean Taylor..for Let's Go Somewhere - great choice, I thought!

By Davie Gordon (193.122.21.42) on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 02:05 pm:

Lars,

I've yet to find any where on the web that has
either the Cashbox or Billboard r&b charts - if
I do I'll let you all know.

I'm in the middle of trying to reconstruct the
Billboard R&B charts from 65 - 69. I'm still at
stage one - checking what was on the chart in
any given week. Slotting them into correct position's going to be difficult ! It's surprising
just how few non-Motown Detroit records actually
registered on the Billboard charts - there's
more that hit the Hot 100 like Edwin's "Headline News"

Motown's dominance of the R&B charts is staggering. Whitburn's books as they stand are
interesting enough but a record's peak position is
only part of the story - it's when you see just
how long say, "Cool Jerk" was on the charts and
see what it's competition was you start to realize
just what a HOT record it must have been at the time. For those of us not fortunate enough to have been living in the US in '66 it helps put
things in some sort of perspective. What you don't
get from the bare "Highest position reached" bones
for a group like the Four Tops is that "I Can't
Help Myself" was still selling well enough to be on the charts a whole month after "It's The Same
Old Song" entered the charts. The same thing applies to the Temps.

By Davie Gordon (193.122.21.42) on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 02:21 pm:

David,

Here's a few Golden World / RicTic releases that
registered on Billboard's "Bubbling Under Charts"
that didn't manage to get into the Hot 100

The Reflections

"Henpecked Guy" # 124 - charted Sept 12,1964

"Shabby Little Hut" # 121 - charted Jan 2, 1965
(this did better on Cashbox, # 80)

Gino Washington

"Gino Is A Coward" # 121, charted July 11,1964


Here are the "Bubbling Under" chart entry dates
for records that went on to hit the Hot 100

"Like Columbus Did" - July 4, 1964

"Poor Man's Son" - March 6, 1965

"Back Street" - Nov 13,1965

"Stop Her On Sight" - Feb 12, 1966

"Headline News" - April 23, 1966

"Real Humdinger" - MArch 26, 1966

"I'm Satisfied" - Nov 13, 65

"The Whole World Is A Stage" - March 18, 1967

"Show Time" - March 9, 1968

"You've Got To Pay The Price" - Aug 12,1967

Anything else that hit the Hot 100 went straight
in bypassing the "Bubbling Under" chart.

Something I'd like to know is when did "I Love
You Madly" start being listed as being on Soul
instead of RicTic. It was definitely climbing the charts on RicTic when the Motown takeover happened but it's not clear when that changeover
was reflected in the charts.

By Davie Gordon (193.122.21.42) on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 02:27 pm:

I'm sure I've seen a Detroit radio survey of
the "Biggest Hits of '67" which had the Flaming
Embers' "Hey Mama" charting as high as the 20's.
Looks as if they sold a lot of records locally but
couldn't get a national hit until they joined
Hot Wax. I'm trying to trace the website again
- it might have been one for WKNR but I can't
really remember as it was a few years ago I saw
this listing.

By David Meikle (81.103.135.218) on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 09:40 am:

Thnaks for that info Davie.

By LG Nilsson (213.89.29.210) on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 10:48 am:

This is what we are looking for... week by week!
I have to cut it in parts because of the 50K limit!





Oldies forever
Lars

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 01:01 pm:

God! That Billboard chart looks like my 45 collection! Thanks for the memories!
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By supremeross (64.245.39.99) on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 04:23 pm:

Hey Lars great post! Were you able to find that listing off of the internet? Anymore charts you could list or sites you could direct me to??

By LG Nilsson (213.89.29.210) on Tuesday, February 04, 2003 - 04:32 pm:

supremeross!

No, I didn't found it on the Internet. It is my own Billboard. I still have a few left... If you want to see more Billboard clips and ads please visit my website: Seabear Studios and go to the Secret Vaults...

Lars

By Davie Gordon (193.122.21.26) on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 11:07 am:

Still haven't found that site again but I did come
across one that printed the 1967 charts for
CKLW just across the river.

The Flaming Ember's "Hey Mama" managed to get to
# 6 on their chart - that's a pretty big hit if
it's any indication of actual sales.